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@hellaverseposting
Got my first anti replying to one of my posts so I’m just gonna say this once: I’m not here to debate you. I don’t want to hear you elaborate on your opinions. I think you’re stupid at best and bigoted at worst when it comes to your opinions on the Hellaverse. Have fun being blocked, because that’s all you’re getting from me.
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Number of dumbass anon attempting to argue with me: 3
Maybe it's because I'm not involved in the fandom too deeply regarding him but besides wanting him to pop up as a fallen angel, do people actually like Adam? Outside of him being an asshole character that is an interesting interpretation of the first man? I've only *liked* (this is very loose *like*) Adam in the sense of an interesting idea for a character and I like cartoonish villains at times to think more deeply about how they came to be (i.e. Stella from HB). I thought people wanted him back to keep being a villain with Lute? I could see that and how they could show how Lute is willing to give everything for a man who doesn't respect her and how that could be her downfall (no pun intended)? Am I wrong?
No you’re right on the money anon, Adam was made to be a cartoonishly evil depiction of the first man whose main purpose was to be a mood setting first antagonist and motivation for Lute’s character arc. Which the show succeeded in its writing goals for him so far btw. He served his role and now it’s time for other characters to fill his spot in the story (just like Vox did in season two and Lute will presumably do in the future).
The problem is that a group of weirdos decided that Adam must have a Secret Deep Reason for why he’s a raging misogynist asshole and projected a bunch of wish fulfillment headcanons onto him. In their mind he’s a chad bad boy who was wronged by everyone around him. They fundamentally misunderstood his role in the story and effectively created an entirely new character through fandom psychosis. And when the show inevitably didn’t go in the direction they wanted (because, you know, duh) they threw bitch fits about it, as overly attached fans are wont to do.
So yeah no one likes Adam, they like the tulpa Adam that takes up brain space in their head. Adam as a character is done in the show and I’m happy for it, there’s no point in dragging him out when he’s served his purpose for the plot.
That tarot card reading saying V/ggi was "domesticated" by C/arlie... I beg your finest fucking pardon? Way to say the quiet part out loud. Also, how the fuck do they see C/A if that's how they characterize V/ggi? I'm honestly curious how they characterize a mixed man within *that* ship... because if this is the standard, I'm scared...
The answer to that is two sided because half the time charlastor shippers don’t even portray Alastor as mixed race. A good chunk of them are spitefully attached to his fanon white boy human design and exclusively use that as reference when drawing/writing him. Which is still incredibly racist but in a whitewashing way specifically.
When they do write him as mixed race it’s always in poor taste. They masculinize him and describe him as being “exotic” despite the fact that Creole people have existed in New Orleans since its founding lol. Hell, I recently saw a charlastor fan try and claim that Alastor would fall in love with Charlie because she “wasn’t like other white women” from his era. Not exactly the best and brightest we’re dealing with now are we.
That’s not even getting into the amount of romanticized dubiously consensual smut that depicts Alastor as the aggressor and poor lily white Charlie as the submissive victim but I do not have time to get into that bullshit lol.
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS LMAOOOOOO, this is actually so pathetic I’m crying. This is pure copium on a scale I have yet to see from radiodusters omg. What do they MEAN that huskerdust shippers are experiencing what radiodust shippers did???? If that were the case then huskerdust would only have one canon interaction that consisted of a sex joke and then neither of the characters interacting for two seasons.
Instead we got a Loser Baby, Losin’ Streak, a ton of flirty scenes in season two, and Husk pining after Angel in the show and merch after what was obviously an aborted love confession in the S2 finale. Radiodusters would kill someone to get even half of what huskerdust already got in the show LMAO.
So no the situations aren’t even remotely comparable. Husk is in love with Angel and is acting like a yearning fool because of it. This is pure ship fuel on a nuclear level. In contrast if pressed I’m not sure if Alastor could even remember Angel’s name. There’s one group clearly winning here and it isn’t the crack ship fans lol.
I know a lot of trans people dating cis-het people who would argue against you saying their relationships aren't queer. Have you ever talked to your queer elders over the age of 40?
The queer people I know irl are almost exclusively over 40 years old due to the circles I run in, many of whom are trans women who have had straight and queer people tell them that their cishet male partners must be secretly gay because they’re not dating “real women”.
I recently drove two towns over to comfort my friend whose boyfriend of three years decided to be a fucking coward and break up with her because he couldn’t deal with the pressure from friends and family doubting his sexuality. She told me she might as well detransition if society is just going to treat her like a guy in all her relationships with men despite the fact that she’s a woman. I am extremely offended that you would imply that my opinions on this topic are informed by stupid online discourse and not witnessing the oppressive transphobia my real life peers face from every facet of society, including the people who are supposedly in community with them.
I won’t be engaging in any more arguments about this. I refuse to entertain covert transphobia dressed up in progressive language. I think you’re disgusting, don’t message me again.
On a similar note, and someone already brought it up on my original post, but I fucking despise when people simultaneously headcanon Baxter as a trans man and call madmaid a queer ship. Niffty is a heterosexual woman and Baxter is a man. No one calls moxillie a queer ship despite both ships only having the man be non-cis and/or non-het and it’s literally because you guys don’t see trans men as men. So many people think trans men are spicy tomboys so any woman who gets with them must be automatically entering a queer relationship. It’s transparent as fuck and I hope you all do some reflection on your subconscious transphobia.
Charlastor is not a queer ship. Both of the characters are queer and should be treated as such as by the fandom but the relationship itself is straight. I’m a lesbian and if I got together with a man (insert barfing emoji here) that wouldn’t make the relationship queer just because I am, so apply that same logic to charlastor (and every other opposite gender ship that involves at least one queer character). I will NOT continuously have this argument during pride month, use your brain.
Of all the responses I thought I would’ve got for this post blatant transphobia wasn’t one of them. “Um you wouldn’t say this about a relationship that involved a trans woman and trans man!!” no I would actually because trans men are men and trans women are women. If a man and a woman are in a relationship together that is a straight relationship. I’m sorry that you think binary trans people are some magic third gender but that’s your own prejudice you need to unpack, don’t project that shit onto me.
Charlastor is not a queer ship. Both of the characters are queer and should be treated as such as by the fandom but the relationship itself is straight. I’m a lesbian and if I got together with a man (insert barfing emoji here) that wouldn’t make the relationship queer just because I am, so apply that same logic to charlastor (and every other opposite gender ship that involves at least one queer character). I will NOT continuously have this argument during pride month, use your brain.
has the ch@rlastor cult like... collectively forgotten last October? like they made such a big dramaabout Viv "betraying them" and falling out of love with Hazbin, and now some of them are back to genuine delulu about "a chance of it being canon"? (i guess Viv did put some potent crack in her shows that keeps everyone addicted to it even if they try to swear it off)
The secret to this particular bit of cognitive dissonance is that the charlastor cult doesn’t see Viv as a person. To them she’s whatever symbol/scapegoat they need her to be to fit their current worldview. In October she was an evil ship hating bitch who contributed to the “harassment” charlastor’s get from the rest of the fandom because she liked a tweet mildly critiquing how they portray Charlie in their fanworks. Now she’s secretly charlastor’s biggest supporter and will make the ship canon because charlastor fans need to inject some new copium into the fandom so they don’t bleed creatives.
I give it another month before Viv says something that torpedos their hetslop again and she’ll be back to enemy #1 while charlastor fans doompost about how they’re the most persecuted people on the planet for liking the blandest ship ever conceptualized.
Hmmmm let’s see we have backlash against Vivziepop, Dana Terrace, and now Goosworxs. I wonder if these people have anything in common hmmm? The backlash is awfully similar to Rebecca Sugar now that I think about it gee I wonder if they ALL have something in common? Such a shame literally all of these women who made queer cartoons are actually the most evil people ever. No one is holding these women to higher standards of course not.
It’s so ridiculous because the pattern is glaringly fucking obvious but whenever we try to point it out we get accusations of weaponizing misogyny allegations to protect Objectivity Awful People (even though proof of their wrongdoings is almost always exaggerated or falsified). Look at my fandom feminists dude we’re never making it out of the goddamn patriarchy.
There is a special place in Hell for ppl who draw AlxCharliexVaggi and tag it as Chaggie as well. I do not want to see that when looking up my ship, thank you very much.
It even worse when its by an artist who I know is weird about Vaggi. Free my girl.
And if I said that most chaggistor fanart flirts with extremely lesbophobic fetishes such as dykebreaking and unicorn hunting. Almost all of it sexualizes Vaggi and treats her as third wheel eye candy to whatever straight nonsense Charlie and Alastor are up to. I would’ve thought that charlastor shippers would have the dignity to leave a lesbian character out of their heterosexual fantasies but apparently that’s asking too much of them.
i dont understand ppl who prefer vaggie to be a sinner tbh... i think shes much more interesting as a former exorcist
This is why I trust Viv to write the show instead of random bitter ex fans, exorcist Vaggi was one of the best changes they could’ve made to Hazbin and yet we STILL have people complaining that she’s not 100% the same as she was in the pilot. Thank god Viv doesn’t listen to these losers or the show would be a train wreck.
If you think Stella is a lesbian I think you’re stupid idc. As a lesbian I do not understand why you would want a fictional domestic abuser representing us. Fuck all the way off lmao.
Viv makes one (1) joke post about how she feels guilty over adding straight romance scenes in her shows due to how queer both Hazbin and Helluva are and of course the charlastor cult comes out in full force to take this as proof that their hetslop will be canon.
You deserve more than just tomatoes thrown at you because there is ZERO proof in canon this will happen. Viv and Amir saying that Alastor cares for Charlie is not indicative of a future romantic relationship between the two. Stop drinking the heteronormativity koolaid that society shoves down our throats for five seconds and look at the other things Viv and the voice actors have said about Charlie and Alastor’s dynamic. You know, the fact that Viv said Alastor is Charlie’s evil dad during the DVD commentaries? Or Erika saying that Alastor’s protection of Charlie is fatherly? It genuinely disgusts me that you can’t conceptualize a man caring about a woman in any other context besides romantic. Why on earth are you watching such a gay show when you’re doing nothing to deconstruct your own narrow-minded worldview??
Oh but don’t worry dear readers, this charlastor fan has more bulletproof evidence that Alastor is going to fall in love with Charlie! That evidence being… uhhh *checks notes*……. tarot card readings.
No, I’m not joking.
Am I allowed to call this the peak of delusional charlastor madness? They’re not even trying to point to what’s canon anymore, they’re now resorting to actual playing cards for proof of their ship. I wish there was a stronger word than pathetic that I could use because this is a new low even for these losers.
Also, trying to claim that Vaggi, a Latina woman, was a beast that was “tamed” by Charlie, the whitest woman in Hell, is racist. But what else do you expect from the people who still whitewash Alastor and write him as a domineering abusive love interest for their fragile overly feminine version of Charlie. Apparently casting POC as beasts that need to be tamed with the power of delicate white love is a hobby for all charlastor shippers lmao.
might be petty of me but seeing the TADC “critical” or gooseworx “critical” crowd basically being word-for-word exactly the same as the hate the Hellaverse and Vivziepop get (goose told edgy jokes, therefore she’s a nazi/p3dophile; goose is a misogynist because she favours jax over her female characters; glitch is a ‘horrible abusive studio’) feels… vindicating, in a way, or relieving. Like “oh thank god, it wasn’t just us”
No because I’m on the exact same boat as you anon. I had to see the TADC fandom try and claim superiority over the Hellaverse fandom for years just because Viv was the primary punching bag of the harassment mob that decided she was the new evil bitch that was okay to target. Now that the same misogynistic and homophobic mob is attacking their favorite show/creator and exaggerating all her supposed wrongdoings suddenly harassment like this is bad lol. Hopefully this will teach them not to hop on hate bandwagons or stand by passively while they happen because the tides can turn against them at the drop of a hat as long as the show you like is gay and cringe enough.
I cannot for the life of me understand how people see Alastor, twinky little brat man who has no interest in romance or sex, and go "yeah he would f*ck like crazy and would dom someone down"... like Niffty would be better as a dom than him, y'know?
After the episode in season one where the hotel gang goes to that sex club for bonding purposes I would argue that it’s canon that Niffty would be a better dom than Alastor, considering she was there in bondage gear ready to spank some grown ass men while Alastor was nowhere to be seen lol. Alastor couldn’t dominate someone sexually even if his life depended on it, anyone who claims otherwise likes an OC they’ve made up in their mind and not canon Al.
Saw some radiodust shippers having a meltdown because some people who like the Angel and Alastor dynamic purely platonic want another name to don't be associated with them or want their fanworks to appear among the "shippy" fanarts. Lmao.
Can’t say I’m shocked that radiodust shippers don’t want to respect the boundaries of other fans in the Hazbin fandom. The entitlement not only extends to the show but the creative fanworks themselves. What do you mean they can’t invade non-shipping sides of the fandom and force their own romantic interpretation onto every piece of Angel and Alastor interaction they see?? They already do that with the show so they should be able to do that with everyone!!! Lmao it’s so fucking childish.