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Hey everyone!
MY CARTOON NETWORK SHORT IS ONLINE!!
Go check it out and please share it! If shows studios that people are excited about seeing original animated content.
I’m super proud of how this came out. I love these crazy space kids!
I’m traveling right now but I would love to post some behind the scenes stuff, process, etc later on when I’m back on my home computer.
Finally got around to framing this bad boy.
Will those lawyers ever make out?
It’s all about the build up bb
Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland's animated series upset the defending champion "Bob's Burgers" in its first year nominated at the Emmys.
Congrats to the whole whole Rick and Morty crew for making this legendary episode!!
Special shoutout to Anthony Chun for being an awesome director and Doug Olsen for being the coolest board partner!
I made some simple animations for my engagement party. Part 2 of 2.
Part 1
I made some simple animations for my engagement party. Part 1 of 2.
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My submission for the Tunes Collab! I got to do the Drunk Stork, aka a self portrait.
https://www.tunescollab.com/
I liked some of the points you made in your post about the Thundercats reboot! I wanted to ask you about something you didn’t mention. I’m not feeling TR because it has a similar visual feel to other cartoons produced by CN (Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Clarence, etc) recently, and I’m getting tired of the repetitive vibes. What’s your thought on the pervasiveness of the goofy style/vibe (I think ppl call it “calarts”)? Thanks again for an important post on positivity!
Hey! Thanks for your kind words. I’m really late to replying but I wanted to give you the proper time of day since this isn’t an easy question to answer. I understand where you’re coming from, and I can’t speak for all the designers and show creators out there. The only thing I can do is speak from my perspective.
Story is king, so naturally a lot of creators come from a storyboard background. Story artists focus on visual clarity and storytelling. When you need to crank out hundreds of drawings a day, you tend to simplify how you draw down to the most appealing yet most efficient way you can. It’s not to say story artists lose their sense of design over time. It’s that we eventually find a way we feel more comfortable drawing in. Much of that is picked up from the shows we work on 40 a week. I’ve definitely have changed my “style” from things I've learned and have adapted from on the past shows I’ve worked on. When a new show is being made, the most important thing is that the creator should be comfortable drawing the characters, because during those early stages there is no one but the creator staying up all night fixing every detail.
Also consider that animators at overseas studios need to draw characters they have never seen before. It helps a lot when you have a model sheet that is simple and to the point because you can almost guarantee that you’ll get good looking drawings shipped back. When you save money not having to do a bunch of animation retakes, you can use that money on other iconic things, like original music, multimedia segments, etc.
I hope to one day put something original of mine on TV that will make people go “huh, that’s new.” But coming up with that thing that “no one’s ever seen before” plus is simple and animatable... that’s really hard.
How come in the Been 10 reboot, Ben and Gwen have a sort of tan like racoon mask around their eyes?
It’s a light blush. The whole show happens in the summer after all.
Hey, I'm not a professional in the animation industry yet, just a fan, but I do want to thank you for what you said about "Thundercats Roar," I'm honestly not that interested in it, but other people might be, and its not my place to say that it won't be good, or won't be successful, just because I don't like it, or have no interest in it. Not interested, but not about to disregard it entirely. Bottomline, thanks!
You got the right attitude!
an honest curious question, there are a good handful of action cartoons now with literally incredible and groundbreaking lesbian representation (like Steven Universe), in your opinion are we close to getting similar representation of GB&T men in animation?, as a gay cartoonist myself I've got so many ideas for series like that but am kind of terrified those ideas would get rejected or I'd have to remove that aspect to get them made if I ever managed to get a job in the industry
Hi! In my opinion I think there still a good way to go to get proper GB&T male representation in animation. Not to say things aren’t headed in the right direction though. We see the occasional background couples and the gay dads here and there but no protagonists yet. Don’t be afraid of getting your ideas out there. Networks are interested in pitches that break the mold. The worst that could happen is that you get a polite no, but from that you’d get notes and insight on how to keep moving forward.
Keep trying and don’t be discouraged if you’re ever asked to remove a certain aspect. If you believe in it and if it feels right to you, then give it to the co-star. Then on your next idea give it to the protagonist. Everything takes steps but it’s not impossible.
Or just make it into a hit online comic and have the networks come to you!
Hi, I have a sincere question relating to your 5th point. Putting aside the way disproportianate responce to TCR, does this mean it's unwise to share or discuss anything if your opinion is negative? Even if it's around wider industry trends? For example a lot of creators where dissatisfied with with the lack of female protagonists, and have pushed for that change. Is it better to keep your head down and try and get it done behind the scenes?
Hi. I turned off my anonymous asks because of the amount of people jumping to the rashest conclusions possible.
I reblogged my original post to elaborate on my 5th point and to showcase some excellent points made by other artists, so I recommend everyone go read that.
As for your question, the short answer is no, it is not unwise to share a negative opinion. It is unwise, however, to share a negative rash assumption. That point I was making was for people that were immediately dismissing Thundercats Roar as shit as a whole right off the bat. The epitome of judging a book by its cover. IF you’re trying to make it in the industry, the wiser route would be to reserve your judgement until you actually watch the show.
A good college teacher of mine gave my class some excellent advice. He said you should always look into things you think you hate, whether it’s animation, stage play, music, what-have-you. You can then take note on why it makes you feel that way and apply that to your art. Make yours better and make a difference with it. Or you might find yourself surprised. Maybe you’ll end up enjoying that thing you thought you hated.
I don’t think your example about the lack of female protagonists applies here but I think I see where you’re going with it. First off, something as big as the representation of a people isn’t something that’s done with your head down and behind the scenes. Protagonists are the forefront of your idea. That’s the first thing that is pitched to a network. So it’s not like it’s something that’s a surprise to them when something that shakes the norm is broadcasted on their channel. It’s been known and approved from the start. Wanting to see more things like that on TV isn’t considered a “negative opinion”. Seeing a one minute clip of just animation (no story yet) and going “this is absolute trash! I’m never gonna watch this! they’re all fucking idiots over there!”... that’s a rash assumption of a show. No one knows what messages Thundercats Roar might have. You might find yourself surprised.
Reblogging for obv reasons
It says a lot that all the hate mail I get comes from anons.
For every hate mail I get from an internet stranger, I get one message from a professional artist thanking me for saying what I said.
Put the torches and pitchforks away. Take it from an animation professional.
There are a few reasons why you shouldn’t whine every time there’s a reboot of something. Let’s use the new Thundercats as an example.
1. Thundercats doesn’t deserve to die. It’s a beloved property that should have a fair attempt at reaching a new generation of kids. Don’t let a misplaced sense of ownership to something that isn’t yours in the first place ruin a show for other people. You like the original? Good. You can always go watch it. A reboot of Thundercats doesn’t mean the original never happened. Think a reboot should be more action packed and play older? They tried it in 2011 and turns out viewers didn’t want it.
Consider that the new Thundercats Roar may actually do well because…
2. …it wasn’t made for you. The tastes of today’s kids are different than ours, just like how ours was different than the generation before us. Test yourself by watching the original Thundercats. And by watching it I mean actually watching several entire episodes from start to finish. Most likely you’re going to get bored and want to change it to something else. A comedic adaptation of it could just be what revives interest in the Thundercats.
3. You already know and trust the artists. You trusted them when they helped make shows like OK KO, Motorcity, Rick and Morty, etc.. They’re bringing that passion and expertise with them to Thundercats Roar. You’d be surprised at how much a network relies on the artists’ unique voices to make their shows stand out. Just from TC Roar’s sick intro you should know that this show is bringing something to the table.
4. It’s opening doors for the things you love. Whether you like it or not, reboots like Teen Titan GO and Ben 10 are successful and kids love them. While you don’t have to love them too, you should appreciate them. It’s because of the success of shows like these that networks can have the resources to explore new original content. This is how progress is made. This is why cartoons aren’t just cat and mouse chases anymore. Who knows, maybe a network will even end up developing an original show so successful that in 10 years time trolls on the internet will hate its reboot.
5. If you’re an aspiring artist, this isn’t a good look for you. Go through your favorite artists’ twitters and tumblrs and see if they have ever said anything bad about any animated shows. You’ll find nothing, why? It’s because this is an industry of cooperation and support for your fellow artists.
A good portion of the people I follow online are artists trying to break into the industry. We see the things you say. Your rants don’t make you sound like an animation connoisseur. It makes you sound toxic and jaded about an industry you haven’t even set foot in yet. Why would a production want to commit to hiring someone they think will just be rolling their eyes at the designs the whole time?
THIS.
My response to this went a little long, so I’ll put it here… Two things: One: A lot of the responses I have seen to TCR weren’t so much criticism as they were knee-jerk, frothing, sarcastic hate. Much of it in the form of personal attacks against the show-runner, who is a friend of mine. Criticism is fine. Y’all don’t HAVE to like anything. Please don’t assume that people in the animation industry don’t know the difference between criticism and hate. Two: Those aren’t “threats”, they’re reality. The animation industry is very much a community, or like it says in the post “an industry of cooperation and support for your fellow artists.” People wanna work with people who are nice, and why should anyone believe you’d be pleasant to have on a team if your first response to a new show is to say snarky things about the character designs, or reblog a ten minute rant video about how Calarts style is ruining animationblah-blah blah. Again, I can’t say it better than the post: “Your rants don’t make you sound like an animation connoisseur. It makes you sound toxic and jaded about an industry you haven’t even set foot in yet.” I have seen many young artists who want to break into the industry shoot themselves in the foot, because they think a good way to engage with industry veterans is to crap all over the work those veterans have done. It’s a bad look, and it’s usually done by people who know very little about the industry and what goes into making an animated show.
I have said it a gajillion times: nobody wants to work with a jerk. There are hundreds of talented artists out there– why would anyone choose to hire a jerk? And while criticizing a show is fine, criticizing a two-minute video about a show that isn’t out yet and you know very little about kiiiiinda makes you look like a jerk. Especially if you’re mean about it.
I really shouldn’t even be touching this discourse but I also want to add that style trends have always existed, and people shaming said style trends is almost a trend itself that follows along.
Before, animation professionals were less accesible online so a lot of this style trend hate would instead just get directed at artists in online communities. Once upon a time on deviantart kids liked drawing sparkledogs and suddenly began getting harassed because it was “not realistic” was the justification. Before the current cartoon style trend people would draw off anime then that became cringey because anime wasn’t “a real style”. When tumblr first started to become more popular, artists got shit for drawing what was called ‘tumblr noses’ where they just tinted a nose red.
All of these trends were completely HARMLESS and as a result of the fact that a lot of artists form COMMUNITIES and LEARN FROM AND INSPIRE EACH OTHER, but as soon as that happened, another group would come up and make them feel ashamed for these things until suddenly it was popular to trash artists that drew X way because it was bad for -insert reason that tries to justify bullying behavior by pretending it isn’t-.
And with the animation itself, style trends are a bit different in how they form because what networks want, marketing, and so on plays a role. If you look back on any era of animation, cartoons around similar time periods followed similar styles because those styles were shown to be what worked and what was appealing. A lot of artists who work on those shows also have to adopt those styles to continue getting work. Heck, even the current style trend is going to eventually fizzle out and be replaced by a new one, and cue the cycle restarting.
I think the worst part about this “calarts style” backlash and even referring to the style as such is
1. It perpetuates an idea that drawing a certain way is wrong or ‘cringey’ (hello cringe culture).
2. It ENCOURAGES bullying of young artists or artists who may simply like the style or want to draw in it and encourages the notion that they should feel ashamed for drawing in a style they enjoy (Things that affected me with previous style trend hate growing up as an artist on the internet).
3. “Calarts style” was a term used by John K himself the creepy pedophile and it’s gross it gained so much traction (I’m on mobile so I can’t link easily but there’s posts and people on twitter talking about this)
4. The industry style trend has nothing to do with calarts. A lot of people use this to fuel harassing innocent young artists who go to calarts probably because they are misinformed about how the college program actually works and want to believe calarts kids are all rich and spoiled and more privileged (not really) to take out their frustrations on them. Which is fucked up. Hate to break it to you, but minus maybe a few students who did bad things, harassing or hating on the students at that school for mostly false online rumors is immature and bordering bullying behavior once again. Also go watch some calarts films, you’ll realize the artists all are hardworking and draw in such creatively varied ways and have their own voices.
5. Literally all of this is bullying when you take it out on other people or pressure others to feel bad about liking or using a flippin’ art style. And you’re not just giving professionals a rough time for no reason, you’re also indirectly hurting the young kids that’ll go online and be inspired by these styles to learn they are ‘cringey’.
Like you’re totally welcome to not like a certain style or have critiques about shows and how they could have done things better. Heck, I have a list of shows I don’t like for xyz reasons and I’ve voiced those opinions before but I guess the difference is since I’ve worked in the industry, I am fortunate to have the knowledge that these things are a result of several factors and rarely can be put on a single person to blame and sometimes production has to go a certain way or can’t go a certain way, which results in things happening the way they do. Sometimes the network wants specific things, etc. So I just hold my opinions separately from the show team and don’t blame or bother them for it, which is how things were before the internet made professionals so accessible.
So the point is as long as you’re not giving artists (professional or not) a hard time for things that ultimately are harmless when voicing your feelings, then you’re fine.
Okay I got a lot of hate mail just for saying people shouldn’t be jerks (someone actually messaged me to call me ugly????). At the risk of getting more hate, I’m going to reply to some things people have been saying.
It all starts by me reblogging these lovely additions above to my post which give great insight and further perspective on the damage trigger-happy hate does to the industry.
Now onto my actual response...
lol guys I never said you’d get blacklisted. Jumping to conclusions is how we got here in the first place. We even got people sending death threats to artists they THINK work on Thundercats Roar.
All I’m saying is it reflects bad on you if you make a name for yourself of making outlandish assumptions about a shows you haven’t even seen yet. There no reason to dismiss the show completely entirely based on just a teaser of the intro theme. It comes off as closed-mindedness. It’s fair for an artistic industry to not want that.
Too many dense-ass people out here saying they’re not trying to break in the industry so they don’t need to “grovel to the corporations”. You don’t need to be an aspiring artist in order to be a human being to other artists.
Don't be mean to Thundercats 2011. It was good but cartoon network played it at terrible times when no one knew it was on. Cartoon Network always does that kind of stupid shit.
Not being mean to it. I was saying what Thundercats 2011 was is what a lot of people today are saying Thundercats Roar should be. Why should that be tried again and so soon?
Crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Put the torches and pitchforks away. Take it from an animation professional.
There are a few reasons why you shouldn’t whine every time there’s a reboot of something. Let’s use the new Thundercats as an example.
1. Thundercats doesn’t deserve to die. It’s a beloved property that should have a fair attempt at reaching a new generation of kids. Don’t let a misplaced sense of ownership to something that isn’t yours in the first place ruin a show for other people. You like the original? Good. You can always go watch it. A reboot of Thundercats doesn’t mean the original never happened. Think a reboot should be more action packed and play older? They tried it in 2011 and turns out viewers didn’t want it.
Consider that the new Thundercats Roar may actually do well because...
2. ...it wasn’t made for you. The tastes of today’s kids are different than ours, just like how ours was different than the generation before us. Test yourself by watching the original Thundercats. And by watching it I mean actually watching several entire episodes from start to finish. Most likely you’re going to get bored and want to change it to something else. A comedic adaptation of it could just be what revives interest in the Thundercats.
3. You already know and trust the artists. You trusted them when they helped make shows like OK KO, Motorcity, Rick and Morty, etc.. They’re bringing that passion and expertise with them to Thundercats Roar. You’d be surprised at how much a network relies on the artists’ unique voices to make their shows stand out. Just from TC Roar’s sick intro you should know that this show is bringing something to the table.
4. It’s opening doors for the things you love. Whether you like it or not, reboots like Teen Titan GO and Ben 10 are successful and kids love them. While you don’t have to love them too, you should appreciate them. It’s because of the success of shows like these that networks can have the resources to explore new original content. This is how progress is made. This is why cartoons aren’t just cat and mouse chases anymore. Who knows, maybe a network will even end up developing an original show so successful that in 10 years time trolls on the internet will hate its reboot.
5. If you’re an aspiring artist, this isn’t a good look for you. Go through your favorite artists’ twitters and tumblrs and see if they have ever said anything bad about any animated shows. You’ll find nothing, why? It’s because this is an industry of cooperation and support for your fellow artists.
A good portion of the people I follow online are artists trying to break into the industry. We see the things you say. Your rants don’t make you sound like an animation connoisseur. It makes you sound toxic and jaded about an industry you haven’t even set foot in yet. Why would a production want to commit to hiring someone they think will just be rolling their eyes at the designs the whole time?
