Reimaginings: A Conversation with Tyanna Buie
Today we are featuring a conversation with Tyanna Buie, who is showing work in the Residual Lives show at HPAC (up until April 24th! GO!). Tyanna is showing a series of collaged prints based on mugshots of her various family members, interrogating the way that the prison system creates subjects in a certain way, and also how to challenge the production of that subjectivity and to make space for transformation. Tyanna is currently based in Detroit.
In our conversation, we talked the genealogy of artists that have shaped her practice, navigating protection/ exposure when doing really vulnerable work about her own family, and negotiating a public art practice when it’s not just about her.
Tyanna is an incredibly dynamic person to talk to and we are so excited to share this conversation with y’all -- and this is only part one of two in this series with her.
Helena Bassett: What are your handles, websites, etc - what should people click on to find you on the internet?
Tyanna Buie: I love that I have a website, that’s gold, and I’m also on Instagram as @tyanna_buie.
HB: Many of your works feature people but with faces that are abstracted/ emptied out/ otherwise made illegible. What does this refusal signify to you?
TB: I would say it definitely came out of the fact that these are personal photos and I didn’t know how to navigate them either. So I want to work with them, but how do I work with them and be cognizant of the fact that these are personal photos -- I’m not ready for the world to know everything. I did a somewhat accidental flash once and noticed what that showed; I realized oh, they’re all vacant faces, how do I navigate that now, what do I do. And I purposefully started to do that a little bit more. I just put up a show last week, this past Friday, and I have some figures in there, some personal photos. I’m actually starting to bring faces to my work.
Two more things on that: I love Kerry James Marshall. He’s one of Chicago’s biggest artists other than Theaster Gates, they’re in the same boat [the MCA is doing a Member’s Preview of their survey of Marshall’s work on April 21] . When I was in graduate school, I was working in this way, and I didn’t know his work that well. And all of my professors were saying that my work was starting to look a little Kerry James Marshall-ish. He took photos of people and noticed that if black people aren’t under good lighting, all you would see is their teeth and their eyes -- you won’t see any facial recognition. He doesn’t do silhouettes, but he darkens the skin and exaggerates the glow of the eye and the teeth. That’s his thing.
And I knew very well who Kara Walker is and was, and she deals with silhouettes. And I think that my initial blanking of the face or working with the silhouette form came from my obsession with Kara Walker. Reimagining the silhouette, what that means, and why I would use that in my work.
And there was another artist that I’d remember looking at when I was little, everybody would have her paintings (or replicas of her paintings) in the living room. Her name is Annie Lee. So you have Kerry James Marshall, Kara Walker, and you have Annie Lee. And we subconsciously pick up things as visual artists. And we think that we’re the originators, but we’re not. Our brain is just constantly seeing things, and then when you go to make art, all of a sudden you’re making something that you saw fifty years ago, or ten years ago, or when you were a child. And the first black art that I saw was by Annie Lee, and all of the faces are blank in her work. And it took me until this year to realize that she was working this way long before me, Kerry James Marshall, and Kara Walker [laughs]. And a lot of local artists in Milwaukee do the same thing.
I think there should be a conversation about black artists making work with black bodies and the faces are blank. I think I need to like, start that conversation [laughs]. I feel like I’ve painted the picture enough, that here’s this mystery -- and it’s just like a novel or a movie in that you don’t get the full picture until the end. And I feel like now that I’m at the end of some type of era, and now I’m putting faces on things, but they’re still distorted. I still am interested in protection.
They’re a little weird looking now. I’m like, I’m okay with indications that there’s a face, but I’m no longer obsessed necessarily with the silhouette of the face. I will do it if I need to, but if I feel like I don’t need to then I move on. But I do think my work is like a visual memoir. It’s not a novel, you get a back and forth, constantly changing the narrative, or playing with the idea of what that narrative looks like today, or a week ago, or a year ago.
HB: You’ve said: “it’s easier to make this personal work about my family because we weren’t close, and that your mom has said that the “past is the past, you can tell whoever.” I’m currently doing some performance work with my mom, and it’s a difficult space of negotiation. Can you talk about why it was easier to make this work when you and your family weren’t close, and some of the responsibility inherent in making personal or family based work?
TB: I guess when I say “weren’t close,” I need to find another way to say that -- it’s because we didn’t grow together. And we still have not -- we’re slowly growing together, but it’s difficult. Now I’m in Detroit, my family is in Wisconsin. We have not been able to be that close knit family that I see in my friends. I actually find it a little bit [frustrating] when I see families so close, that I have to check myself, I’m like, “why do I find it annoying that they’re so close?” [Laughs] And I’m like ohhh, oh, I didn’t have that. There’s this distance that we’ve just had because of our circumstances, we didn’t get to know each other. And it’s not a bad thing, probably the best thing that could’ve happened is that we didn’t grow together because not everybody was growing; a lot of people were doing harm to themselves. So if you’re around that, then you’re going to get that. So I’m actually grateful for our circumstances today because I couldn’t imagine growing up with my mom if she kept us around her while she was doing what she was doing. It’s why she left us -- because she knew, “I can’t be around them with my life like this.”
That natural division propels me, helps me, and gives me the confidence to have a comment about it without being so entrenched in it. I’m not so immersed in our family to the point where it’s hurtful. Some things I’ll never bring up or talk about (it’s not me, it’s actually because other people in our family aren’t comfortable) but I’m very respectful of what my family chooses to be a part of or not. Like my brother wanted nothing to do with the mug shot project, and even though his mugshots were online and free domain, I still feel like as a family member I’m going to respect you as much as I can. Maybe I don’t always hit the mark, and I don’t know how to negotiate that part. Like, these things happened to me, it’s my story to tell, I’m sorry that you’re a part of it, but you are -- deal with it.
It has not been easy selling. Like for instance, my brother didn’t understand what I was doing. So then I had to call him because he wasn’t going to call me, take him to my website, walk him through, and give him an artist’s statement, like a spiel: this is what I’m doing and why. After that, he was just like, “Okay, fine.” So I reached out to him because I knew he was uncomfortable. My mom, on the other hand, is not uncomfortable at all, which I’m surprised about. She’s uncomfortable about other things, but not about me making art about our family. She’s very proud. My sisters -- it took them a little bit to realize what I was doing, and that I was not doing anything harmful. They are proud of the work, but it took them a minute… I think that’s one issue: I have no problem talking, and they are more quiet. So if my sister goes on a date and she mentions me, and they google me and see images of all of us, they start to ask her questions and it makes her uncomfortable. We got into arguments about it. It’s not easy, but it’s necessary! It is hard stuff to be trying to talk about and deal with when there’s so many people connected to the story.
I feel like it’s collaborative, then, in that I constantly am connecting with my family. I’ll show them images afterwards, I’ll say this is what I’m doing, this is what I got going on. An aunt of mine recently contacted me because I finally got some precious photos from a different aunt (who I had to pay to borrow them. I’m going to share that because it’s the truth: I had to pay you to get family photos of me when I was a child, and that’s crazy, it should be something that’s a known thing, I have no shame in that, and she shouldn’t either, she should be bold about that.) So I get the photos and my aunt and I start to send photos to everybody, on the phone and instant message talking about the photos. And my other aunt was wondering what I’m planning on doing with the photos. And I had to come to grips with the fact that this is how they see me: as someone who just wants to disseminate information, personal family information, in that bit. And I do public art - there’s so many things I do - but they will never see that, there’s not enough time to get your family to truly understand what you do. They only see a couple things that you do.
But I see it as a healing process. That’s one thing I refuse to do, is to say, “This happened to me,” and never discuss it again. I feel like my family has dealt with that enough. There’s enough shame. All I’m trying to do is get over that. And so, I let you deal with your shame and embarrassment before I was born. I’m not gonna deal with that after I’m born, you know? You guys were doing what you were doing in the seventies and eighties, you had all that time to be jerks or whatever it was that wasn’t good. And then when they wanted to do good, it was like they didn’t want to recognize the bad. And I was like, you gotta do that, sorry, you gotta go back to go forward a little bit.
And another thing is, if I wasn’t getting press, they wouldn’t give a shit. It was when I got into the Milwaukee Journal, a full page, front page article about me -- that right there was the thing that for them was like, “Oh shoot, she’s doing some things that other people care about” [laughs]. When I was just in college, they didn’t care! I would call them, they’d be like oh that’s cool, they would give me stuff to talk about, give me some insight. As soon as it starts to get a little bigger, and then I was on PBS, if it wasn’t for those things, they wouldn’t care at all. It’s interesting, what media does!
HB: Any projects or people that you wanna hype or are really into right now?
TB: I just moved to Detroit, and I’m learning about some new artists in the city. One is Tylonn J Sawyer. I’ve been really interested in his content, and we’re going to be working together. I’ve been in Detroit since August and I haven’t had a solo show yet -- I think when you’re new to a city you meet people in the area and figure out where you want to situate yourself as an artist. I’m so interested in collaborating with people, and we both admire each other’s work.
Check out Tyanna’s work at HPAC, up until April 24th, and stay tuned for her insight on navigating the prison system and how an art practice can address the affective residue of the PIC.