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In many ways, I'm quite thankful that you came into my life and fucked it up, because…because it's better now.
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The concept of Mike having flirted with Will for the past 18 months but the second Will flirts back he gets all flustered and his brain short circuits
same boy who told his mom he would never fall in love btw
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Post-vol1 Byler Doubt ultimate cure masterpost
Ok guys… I’ve spent the last few days going from post to post trying to cure people’s doubts so here comes a little chaotic (since it’s basically a bunch of comments I made mashed together) rant about how there’s no way Byler isn’t canon after what we’ve seen in vol1.
Tbh after I finished vol1 I was sooooo beyond sure it was crazy but what was even more crazy to me was how many people had DOUBTS???
So buckle up…
The field scene
First of all the conversation is flirty from both sides… Will opens it up with probably low expectations but Mike picks up the ball then Will gets overwhelmed and pushes Mike to which Mike gets a little “oh heh he touched me, umm” all of it in the prettiest lighting in this season so far… and in the middle of it you have Robin who just realised something’s going on with a dreamy close up - that wasn’t “fuck this guy is doomed” shot, it was “is that gay love I’m seeing?”. All Will said was “you think I’m evil?” to which after a few lines of basically Mike’s monologue he gets soo overwhelmed that he pushes Mike, so I say Mike won the flirting. Mike walked away the same way Will looked away in s4 after Mike said “you didn’t have to” - classic gay panic.
Then to Robin - this is the moment she realises that Will is gay in the first place!! Not just that he has feelings for Mike. After that we have a shot of Will that probably thinks “shit maybe i shouldn’t have done that” and that’s when Robin’s face drops bc she understands what he must be going through. It was probably the first time he was so bold with Mike and some of the self doubt kicked in bc he hasn’t yet accepted and embraced himself. That’s why we have Robin speech about self acceptance right after that bc she saw not only them flirting but also Will being insecure.
Robin’s speech
Pls remember that it was their first conversation after Robin figured Will is GAY at all… Robin decides to put some self love into Will as a fellow gay and she tells a story of her gay awakening, of love at first sight that uses the exact same wording as Mike’s love “profession” - interesting isn’t it? Then she goes to say “it was never about Tammy… it was always just about ME” - her speech isn’t about getting over Tammy or Mike or whoever, it’s about finding, accepting and embracing yourself for who you are, unapologetically, without fear. She mentions the 8mm film where she saw herself, on her own - happy and carefree without all the shame. Will feels moved and uplifted by her words - THEY LAUGH!! If Robin was truly telling Will to give up on Mike would he be… happy and laughing??
Anyway if you read this “Tammy convo” as her idk… saying that he needs to get over Mike or however doubters interpret it why did it happen after Mike teasing Will / them flirting? Why it didn’t happen after Will longing staring at Mike? Why after their convo they break into laughter and Will seems more at ease than ever? Why does he feel empowered? Shouldn’t it be a bittersweet moment? Shouldn’t Will be at least SAD to learn that he has to move on?
Her words are basically “love who you are, be yourself and have courage - but it only works from within” which is exactly one of our long time arguments for why Mileven should break up (they seem already broken up if you ask me). For years we’ve been saying that Milkvan isn’t healthy BECAUSE El didn’t have a chance to discover and find herself before Mike… why do we act like Will should accept himself through Mike? Why now independence BEFORE the romance is a bad sign? It sets up an arc that we argued should’ve been Mileven if it was supposed to be endgame - a slowburn where they get together after finding themselves first… Also not everything is about Byler, this was about being queer and accepting yourself.
Be fr guys!! If a single conversation of “hey, remember that you need to love yourself first and foremost and don’t let anyone have the power over that - all of it is in you, all the courage and all the answers” (which is basically a good advice for anyone needles to say for a closeted insecure gay kid in the 80s) is causing you doubt then… idk what to tell you
Pipegate aka hosegate 2.0 aka crack-loverslakegate
For those having doubts over loverslakegate turning into pipegate - it was just a theory, not a “to be or not to be” for Byler… just look up all the other theories, there are so many of them and they usually contradict each other anyway! Just bc Byler won’t happen the exact way we tried to guess doesn’t mean anything. It probably will happen in a way we didn’t predict. Plus we have the bts photo of Lovers Lake and the diving team so who knows, maybe?
And how is pipegate bad for Byler? Them all wet on a bathroom floor that they nicknamed Dick holding a squirting pipe together? That’s a dirty joke if I ever saw one… Also water is famously used in art to portray emotions so… do with that what you will.
The final scene
Then we have Vecna who tells Will that his mind doesn’t belong in this world and we see the 2 moments he lost hope/gave up on Mike. And Vecna saying that Will’s feelings for Mike are wrong to end up… being true? Weren’t we all expecting Vecna to use that against Will?
Then Will sees Mike is about to die and he replays his own 8mm film but unlike Robin he’s not alone… he’s with Mike (then Joyce and Johnathan) and we see all the scenes they brought up during his possession (starting with Mike’s “the best thing I’ve ever done”). He’s not getting over Mike, on the contrary - he finds the power in accepting himself fully and that includes the part of him that’s in love with Mike. He’s not accepting himself to move on, he’s accepting himself being in love and being loved for who he is by others and that’s what saves the day.
That’s his response to what Vecna tried to convince him of and Will goes “yeah? watch me bitch!!”, taps into it and finds his power through LOVE!!
The power of unreciprocated love
Saving the day with the power of unrequited love is the weirdest thing that could’ve ever happened. “Oh his love is so empowering and pure and beautiful!! The things we all could achieve if we just bathed ourselves in the awesome ethereal pain of not being loved back!! That’s the message we want to share - that you should embrace the love that could’ve never been! The ultimate sacrifice!! The absolute lack of self respect! Bc actually moving on would mean you’re letting go of the love that empowered you… but it makes sense I promise!” - said no one ever
If his love isn’t reciprocated it’s a weird choice to have that love portrayed as empowering. If Will’s story is about moving on from Mike why does the love he has for him empower Will? What is that even saying?? The love so beautiful and strong that embracing and accepting it as a crucial part of who you are to the point that it literally makes you powerful enough to stand against the villain who seconds ago tried to convince you that this love doesn’t belong in this world? And his arc from now on is about letting go of that love?? To move on from the very thing that empowered him and saved the day?
“Oh the love that empowered you, made you accept yourself and was the key to unlock your powers to save the ones you love? Yeah, the love you have for Mike is beautiful and all but tbh you need to give up on it, sorry mate, hand it over your time is up, chop chop”?? - it simply doesn’t make any sense.
Storytelling, plot and arcs
I usually try to watch media from the logical storytelling perspective and I tend to be rather critical in that regard. When s3 dropped and later s4 I initially lost faith in the duffers as writers - they made all the worst decisions for the supposedly “main ship” and decided to drag Will through hell once again. I truly believed they just hate him for how they made him hopelessly in love with his bff.
Whatever they decide to do with Will now won’t fix the writing from previous seasons if it’s not ending with Byler. No matter how accepting everyone is, no matter what crazy powers they give him or how he single-handedly kills the big bad. After s4 and especially vol1 of s5 whatever they do, if it’s not Byler it just means they can’t write story and character arcs, I’m sorry.
And they dug their grave themselves. They wrote the story the way they did. The crew during this promo keep saying that they hope it will uplift the outcasts, queer people in particular! It’s been said by the Duffers, Noah, Maya, Caleb and Gaten… others probably too as well I might not remember.
And how exactly they’re going to do that? If their plan was to emphasise self acceptance they don’t need Will to be in love with his best friend of 10yrs. If their plan was to show that moving on is sad but crucial they butchered that as well bc we saw that the love Will has for Mike is beautiful and empowering for Will. If it’s a story of romanticising unrequited love as something pure and cherished we’re tapping into tragic “Werther” territory which is… questionable if we circle back to the “uplifting” goal they have since Werther ends up offing himself by the end of the story.
Needless to say Will’s self acceptance arc is kinda finished by vol1… and as we saw via his “8mm film” it was not only his acceptance of his sexuality but his love for Mike in particular. He’s not moving on. His love for Mike (among other things ofc) is what literally made him powerful.
And don’t get me started on Mike… bc if he’s not reciprocating Will’s feelings he’s one of the worst, most inconsistently written characters I’ve ever seen. And you can’t excuse that with a cheap “oh he’s just a teenager” bc we’re not watching reality TV show, we’re watching a scripted narrative.
His lowkey homophobic comments to Will during their fights in s3 and s4, his inability to say he loves El, all of his sudden switch in character… and it’s not like he wasn’t snappy or douchy in s1 and s2 but at his core he was still THE HEART.
If Mileven is endgame (by any miracle) it’s the worst written endgame I’ve seen in a looooong time. And if Mike is not reciprocating Will’s feelings I truly have no idea what his character arc is tbh - bc without that he’s just kinda there to give El shelter and to unlock Will’s powers with “unrequited love” or whatever.
People tend to say that we’re restricting his character to be a prize to be won by either El or Will but truthfully if he doesn’t end up going through his own journey with self acceptance and internalised homophobia but just… idk being there as a motivator for Will that’s when he becomes an object rather than his own character. Pls tell me what his character is about if he doesn’t end up actually in love with Will bc I have no idea. He’s “the Heart” sure… so he’s just there to uplift others?? Or tear them down if he’s in a bad mood (aka s3 and s4)?? Seriously what is his story otherwise bc I don’t have any theory.
It was hard for me to imagine how the Duffers would even try to write a story that makes sense without Byler endgame before the release… now after vol1 I’m 1000% convinced that narratively there’s no way Byler isn’t endgame. If it’s not (by any miracle) then they queerbaited soo close to the sun (out of spite or to watch people loose their minds?? idk) that it actually heavily hurts the narrative and the flow of the plot. It’s not only about if they get together or not at this point… storytelling-wise they’d just show how incompetent and immature they are bc at this point they can’t deny that they are purposefully teasing Byler and making people (even GA) root for them that will (if Byler isn’t endgame) only distract from the story they’re trying to tell.
FAQ
But Caleb and Finn made fun of Byler! As a byler shipper myself I would act exactly like Caleb xddd and Finn at first smiles, then panics a little looking at the interviewer then laughs a little and is like “duuuude cmon” which is basically a totally normal reaction to teasing xd no doubt here. Btw they keep talking how important queer stories are esp with s5 promo… and for them to make fun of it seems very insensitive if that plot actually ends in unrequited love and heartbreak.
But there were barely any Byler scenes in vol1! Yeah we have 1 scene in the field and the pipegate. Noah said he filmed with Finn more than ever before, which means more than in s2 and s4!! Where are those scenes? Idk, probably in vol2?? This season they asked both Noah and Finn to carry a lot of emotional weight and we haven’t really seen Mike loose his shit yet even though his whole family almost died… and the episodes directed by Shawn are in vol2 mind you…
But Finn said Byler would be unearned! But he didn’t! Finn (who btw supposedly had said before that his other queer characters weren’t queer) said that if he ENGAGED in shipping it would feel unearned - probably bc he literally could’ve had an impact on the story since for example Maya was the one to suggest Robin being gay. Guys please… look at the bigger picture here cmon.
But the Duffers mentioned Byler before they said they don’t cater to the audience! The Duffers saying that they need to do what’s right for the story means just that - that they care if the story makes sense and we know that Byler makes sense more than any alternative so… Anyway it can also just mean all the crazy theories and gates we have! They spoke about it before many times, specifically mentioning REDDIT - you know… the crazy anti-byler homophobic Reddit? Yeah…
But the Duffers said „Robin’s story is the same” when talking about her speech to Will and adding that part about the 8mm film! So let me get this straight: they wrote Robin’s monologue about accepting herself as a way for her to pass that lesson of loving yourself and stopping being scared of who you truly are but they felt that there was something missing so they added the “8mm film” part where she sees herself in the most carefree pure form just so they can film a GODDAMN MIWI FLASHBACK to serve as that for Will??? How is that any evidence against Byler? If anything it’s a proof. If you think the speech was about getting over anyone I will just quote Robin “it was never about tone-deaf Tammy, it was always just about ME”. The speech has nothing to do with Tammy or Mike, it has everything to do with being true to yourself - Robin says it herself. I also saw many people interpreting the “it was the same storyline with Robin” as “the Robin storyline didn’t change from the draft - we kept it the same just added the part with the 8mm film” which would mean that “the same storyline” isn’t referring to Robin and Will storyline being the same but Robin storyline in draft and in the final “product” being the same.
But that producer on tiktok said "they're just friends"! This tiktok giving Bylers doubt is crazy... Honestly did anyone expect him to say "yeah byler endgame"?? He said "they're just friends" which as of now they are! He didn't even lie, he literally just confirmed the status quo. You know who they would say the exact same thing about? Jancy during s2... or Jopper during s3. He literally can't say anything else... that's the safest thing he could've answered with.
But Finn reposted a video of Mike and El hugging on the field! The "she's gone bro", "I can only remember the candle stick", "love profession", "they were more like Elliott and ET", "she's like a lost puppy", "why don't you just say you love her", "they're on different paths" Finn? That Finn??? Reposting a video he's in of an ongoing show they try to promote atm? Did we all forget about Elmike? Their platonic relationship is still a crucial part of the show.
Final thoughts
Also this is the shot that is converting GA and Milevens rn... this single shot of Mike. GA is bylering, goddamn Reddit is bylering (!!!), the byler tag is trending NON STOP FOR 72H NOW (edit: it's 100h+ as of now...) and we, who have survived on crumbs are having DOUBTS?
Friendly reminder that it’s the Duffers who made Will in love with Mike, not us. It was their decision to make the traumatised boy in love with his best friend who moved earth and hell to save him multiple times. They made Mike an insufferable boyfriend and they made Will sacrifice his feelings for them. They also made Will gain powers through self love and acceptance and embracing the love he has for his best friend. And they are the ones who somehow made them the most compatible 2 characters on the show… idk I think if they didn’t want people to ship them they would write it differently. I don’t ship Byler bc I thought it would be cute - I ship Byler bc I actually believe it to be the best outcome of the story THEY wrote and that it can mean a lot to the people they claim they want to uplift.
Honestly if they kept Will gay but didn’t make him canonically in love with Mike then ok, fine. It’s a classic ao3 ship, it’s Ronance, it’s Steddie etc and there would be nothing wrong with that, just us exploring dynamics outside of canon… but THEY made it canon by making Will in love with Mike and making that love so powerful and that’s the corner THEY put themselves in voluntarily.
Byler is happening bc the Duffers put themselves in a situation where that's the only option. It's that simple. edit: I added points 6 and 7 in the FAQ and updated the hours strike we have on the tag trending bc it's actually crazy (in a good way obv)... just fyi, ily!!
after being separated for three years i’m finally seeing my sweet boy again tomorrow, thank you jesus 🙏
will thinking about his feelings for mike season 4 v season 5
just saying it’s kinda just bad storytelling to say “the snowball became an avalanche” just for the avalanche to never come
mike to lucas, the ranger: you're not a sniper dude 🙄 mike to will, the cleric: you're magic, you're a wizard, you're a real life sorcerer 😍
Will smiling in Stranger Things 5 Volume 1
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STRANGER THINGS 5.04 — Chapter Four: Sorcerer
BYLER IS CANON
How Obvious?
A meta-analysis on Robin and Will's conversation about queer "signals"
Okay, I love this scene, and not just because it features Will and Robin discreetly discussing the nuances of queer romance.
I love this scene as a writer specifically, due to it's clever and subtle use of authorial intrusion disguised as character dialogue.
Authorial intrusion
Through authorial intrusion, the author/s can address the audience intimately, even under the guise of an existing character. It allows the author/s to communicate directly to the audience; commenting on the narrative, stating an opinion, or posing a question. It doesn't require a breaking of the fourth wall. It's similar to author or audience surrogacy. For example, Steve often acts as an audience surrogate in the series — the "simple" voice who asks questions which prompt exposition (usually from Dustin or Nancy), clarifying the plot.
Will and Robin’s scene is certainly seeking clarity, but it isn’t about exposition. It’s about introspection.
So, what is the alleged moment of authorial intrusion in question? It's this simple (and incredibly meta) line from Will, who is this season's lead protagonist: "How obvious?"
Of course, what Will is referring to here is Robin's notion of signals, aka subtle flirtation or signs of mutual attraction — particularly through the lens of queerness, which can be more difficult to navigate and discern.
To provide a succinct summary, the scene plays out like this:
-> Will asks Robin how she knew Vicki wanted to date her. -> Robin says Vicki sent her subtle "signals" such as a brush of the knee, a bump of the elbow, or a shared look. -> These little things (compared to a snowball) accrued and eventually became "obvious." -> Will, acting as a stand-in for the authors, poses the ultimate question: "How obvious?"
This is an extremely "meta" line, because it's as if the authors are completing an exercise in writing a queer romance in real-time. Through this question, the writers are examining their own craft, and gently prompting us to join them.
Questioning the approach
The writers are pondering their own approach to Mike and Will's storyline; How obvious can we make it, or rather, how obvious should we make it? What is even considered "obvious" in this case? Is a shared look or lingering touch obvious, or not?
It's not a condescending question either — they're not saying you should find it obvious, and if not, you're an idiot.
It's not, "How obvious do we have to make it for you to get it, dammit?!" It's more like, "We've tried to lay down the foundation, but we're unsure if it will land. How can we make this work?"
And this is why it's a question worth asking — there's no clear, universal answer. The writers don't have a lot of material to draw upon. They've probably been pondering this question in the writer's room for awhile.
So, they want to know if their signals have been received, and if so, were those signals obvious or obscure? How obvious should they make it to land the plane?
Providing an answer
The funny thing is, although they're curious to know what the auidence thinks, it's not intended for us to answer — because they've already finished the script.
They've made up their minds concerning "how obvious" they wish to go, and what that looks like to them.
They declared their answer through Robin:
It will become an avalanche.
They've even provided us with a visual metaphor for their chosen technique:
-> The subtle, "little things" like shared looks are like snowballs. -> The snowball accrues and builds over time, gaining mass. -> Eventually, it becomes an avalanche; massive and sudden.
The visual metaphor here emphasizes mass and timing — if they do this, then they want it to feel crushingly heavy, and abrupt.
And although they want to make it as obvious as an avalanche, they don't want it to be obvious all the time, and they don't want to make it too predictable — because avalanches cannot be predicted, it's only possible to assess the risk or likelihood.
Will foreshadowed as the "receiver"
So, this question deserves a thematic answer, because it's been introduced as a story element which Will is keenly invested in — it's Chekhov's gun.
There was no point to including this scene unless we can expect to see a snowball turn into an avalanche. Otherwise, they've taught Will how to examine his love life only to... not give him a love life.
You don't tell a character to look for signals if you're not going to give them signals to pick up on. And curiously (yet not so curious, because it was intentional), Will has already been referred to as a receiver of signals.
Like, quite literally in the episode before this conversation took place, by the same exact person.
So according to Robin, Will is a receiver, because he has an antenna.
Antennae convert electric currents into radio waves, or vice versa. In that way, the role of Will's metaphorical antenna isn't just to pick up signals, it's to convert them into something meaningful.
To decode them.
Why does that sound familiar?
Ah! Because Robin is already an expert in decoding — she solved the Russian code in s3, after all.
She even explicitly states that the point of code is to communicate something sensitive.
This is a commentary on the queer experience: you have to be careful, subtle, and possibly even use another language (or "cant") if you want your message to be safely received. For example, gay men and women in the UK used to speak in a form of cant called Polari to identify each other when homosexuality was criminalized. (x).
Will and Mike seem to agree with Robin — some things are very hard to say outright, and out loud.
The signals are "queer code"
And yes, that is a play on words.
The queer signals must be decoded and therefore, they are a form of queer code. Furthermore, Robin makes a direct reference to the Enigma machine — a cipher device used by Nazi Germany during World War II.
Robin states that the Enigma machine "won the war" which is simplified phrasing. Perhaps what she means to say is that the Enigma code won the war — because cracking the code played a crucial role in the Allied victory.
In fact, Alan Turing's contributions to cracking the Enigma code as cryptanalyst were so instrumental that he was awarded an OBE (Officer of the Order of the British Empire).
Alan Turing was famously gay (and later persecuted for it), and also happens to be the historical figure Will chose as his "hero" for his history assignment in s4.
While shared looks, subtle lip glances, and the brushing of hands are all signals intended for Will to decode, these small "easter eggs" are signals for the audience.
Subtext and text which hints at Will's queerness — because as of Season 5 Volume I, he is still yet to claim his sexuality (even if it seems obvious to us).
This is queer-coding in practice. And yes, Mike receives his own fair share of coding too — just look at his ridiculous bedroom.
Where is this leading?
It's leading to gay romance, obviously.
Will receiving no signals simply isn’t narratively coherent. The story has already established him as the receiver and decoder of queer signals.
What I'm personally getting from this, dear reader, is that we have two possible outcomes before us:
Will experiences a fully developed on-screen romance with a new love interest, complete with subtle signs which eventually become obvious over a period of time.
Will continues to recieve signals from Mike, which culminate into an "avalanche" scene — the writers' attempt at making it "obvious."
It's not a question of, "will he receive signals?" It's a question of, "who is he going to receive signals from?"
I now pose the question to you: which of the two options feels more likely, considering the way the story has been written thus far, and the screentime we have left?
I think the answer seems obvious, but I guess I could be wrong. After all, the entire point of the question is that "obvious" is not so easy to define.
At least we know Will is going to get some use out of that "antenna" of his.
Byler
Honestly, how am I supposed to hope for Byler when literally right before the premiere we get a comment like: “It would’ve come out of nowhere… it wouldn’t feel earned.”
… it’s you(r future dramatic and ridiculous husband, shen qiao)
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