Jennifer

Love all things gay. PlayChoices. Lots of TV, possibly too much?

[snoopyaday]

📣 This is why I don't leave the house!

[no-gods-no-masters-tshirts]

[audiobook-mike]

I genuinely mean this, I hope all 5 of those Supreme Court members who voted Yes have to live their lives getting harassed and are extremely bothered till their last dying breath.

Bother them, make their lives miserable, make them not want to leave their homes.

[anxietyproblem]

[booasaur]

NCIS: Hawai’i - 1x22

[jenkasper81]

This one too! Love Lucy clearly debating with herself in gif 3 but gives in. And gif 7 where her face changes ever so slightly and you can see the moment her heart wins out. I love them so much and this is gonna be the longest hiatus ever.

[booasaur]

NCIS: Hawai’i - 1x22

[booasaur]

NCIS: Hawai’i - 1x22

[100hearteyes]

The different phases of Lucy dealing with the break up:

1ST: she thinks she can move on by downplaying what she and kate had and what she felt for Kate:

"whatever it was, isn't anymore."

"we weren't together long, so I'm hoping to just move on. Should be easy, right?"

*tells Kate things are good between them*

2ND: Realizes she can't be close to Kate without feeling pain;

"I just run into someone... I don't need to talk about it."

"there's something in the bullpen I wanted to get away from."

3RD: Pain starts being too much so she lashes out at Kate for small things:

"are you trying to bring us down here, whistler?"

"so this is the new normal? you in our office all the time?"

4TH: She starts opening up more about how she really feels and felt:

"Hands to ourselves."

"sure... we can forget about the past, how you lied to me, broke my heart..."

"How am I supposed to forgive you if you never apologized"

5TH: Actually tries to do things to move on:

"I made an appointment with the Kahuna"

*goes on a date*

We can see there is a journey here, it's been a careful written one trying to follow Lucy through her pain.

I think it's been amazing. And it's by going through all this that, when she gets back with Kate, they will both know it's the real deal and they know what they mean to each other and how much they need each other.

👏👏👏👏 that was AMAZING

Indeed, the writers have been handling Kacy with surprising care. It may not be up everyone's alley, but I think it's undeniable that there has been an effort to tell a good story.

[thundergrace]

This was refreshing to see considering I've been screaming about it for about five years. Please stop just.... stop with the bastardization of this term.

I'm so so so happy that we've come so far with queer representation that this word means nothing to young queer people but it does have a meaning. And it is very specific.

It is also not queerbaiting when a fandom wants a pairing to happen and it doesn't in canon unless there was an intentional marketing/press push to imply that it would happen or overt hinting simply to entice with no follow through.

I will add one counter point to Dana's post: actual kissing can be queerbaiting. Straight women characters kissing has so very often been a sweeps ploy and it was always for the male gaze. Nothing of substance.

[mangeur-detoiles]

LUCY & KATE | NCIS HAWAI'I 1x11, 1x12 and 1x17

Kate's path to forgiveness: she finally acknowledged her mistakes, and said exactly what Lucy needed to hear.

[100hearteyes]

Hey, love you for defending Lucy/giving her POV. We haven't seen her venting to someone about how hurt she was about this, and mainly seen her as this sunny person. But she has been trying sooo hard to not let this heartbreak affect the rest of her life (which. We have only seen in the professional setting, not seen a friend's hangout, where she could express her side of things.) And we only get glimpses of her state of heart in that hideout scene with Ernie

I only wanted to add, that to me, the earlier Kacy scene of that Cara blowup episode also adds a bit of context of where the two stood in their fairly new relationship. We see Kate still secretive, closed off, guarded and taking her time to slowly let Lucy in. And Lucy is someone who really goes all in a r/s. So it is clear when she is the one to slip up about the like/love "distracted Kate", she is further along than Kate, self awareness wise too. In short, Lucy got her heart and ego bruised.

Hey there, thanks! Yeah there's no black and white in these situations and I think it's important to try and find the g(r)ays. And yeah, it makes me sad that people are saying she's unprofessional when if I were her - again, from her skewed and uninformed POV - I wouldn't even want to look at Kate for a while. I've never been the side piece, but I have been cheated on, and it hurts, and I guess to her it felt like both.

And YES! The moment Lucy decided she wanted to be intimate ("here?!" lol) I, too, think she went all in, further in even than Kate (who, according to her own words, didn't expect that Lucy would become so important to her - and I think she only truly realized the actual extent of it after Lucy found her with Cara), so the hurt was even greater. We also see that in that scene with Ernie, where she basically admits she went all in and came out with a broken heart. I mean, she's an expert poker player - a game where you go big or go home, but by going big you could also go broke. Which is what happened to Lucy.

I was actually thinking about something today. It's curious how during the courtship (lol) and in happy moments Lucy is the most expressive of the two (other than Kate's huge dumb smiles ❤️), but when in pain she's the one who keeps her expressions in check - it's actually painful to see how much of an effort she makes to keep her expression closed, when before she was so open. It's a physical manifestation of how she feels, I think, and kudos to Yasmine for that. I think I'll make a post about this, actually 🤔

[jenkasper81]

Fair warning, this might get long but I have some thoughts on whatever has been going on today and recently in the fandom.

I’ve been really surprised, and honestly disappointed, with how some fans are turning on Lucy (and apparently the writers). I really don’t get it. So I’m gonna need someone to explain how Lucy is the bad guy in all of this? Did she have a secret girlfriend that she didn’t tell Kate about?

She made a bunch of concessions with regards to their relationship and keeping it a secret only to find out that Whistler already had a girlfriend, and in her mind that’s the real reason they had to stay hidden, which is a horrible spot to be put in. We know that’s not the case because the writer’s have shown and told us that, but Lucy still believes it and her anger is justified.

She also hasn’t been unprofessional at all given the circumstances. She may roll her eyes or be “efficient with her words” when Whistler is around but she has worked with her and done her job without issue. And think about it this way, Lucy goes home and is likely flooded with memories of someone she was falling in love with but broke her heart. Then she goes to the one place she can focus on something else and that person is right there. She also didn’t tell anyone the real reason they broke up. Even though the team is her second family and her best friends. That is a kindness and a high level of professionalism that she is showing.

And then there are suggestions that Lucy is being unreasonable for not talking with Whistler about their relationship or hearing her out. Again, I disagree. Lucy already made concessions on their relationship only to find out Whistler lied, so Lucy ended the relationship. She doesn’t owe Kate the chance to apologize or explain, especially since she already admitted that she was still in a relationship with Cara when she began dating Lucy. Lucy has every right to end things and move on. She’s made her boundaries clear with Kate, in that they can discuss work but she doesn’t want more. That’s okay and quite healthy. She’s prioritizing her own well-being rather than Kate’s guilty conscience.

When she’s ready, or if she’s willing, she can initiate a discussion. But I’m actually really glad that the writers had Lucy distance herself and have had Kate mostly respect Lucy’s boundaries. That is the foundation of a healthy relationship moving forward, which I believe is the endgame here. I’m glad to see NCIS:Hawai'i is not celebrating toxicity or unhealthy relationships. It’s honestly refreshing.

Also, not for nothing, but I believe the extended hiatus made the breakup seem longer than it really has been. It’s been 5 episodes, spread out over 2+ months. And in the show’s timeline it’s maybe been a month. Pretty normal stuff there. Nothing unreasonable for Lucy to still be hurt or not ready to be around Kate.

All I’m saying is to give it time and allow these characters and their story to develop. We’re 16 episodes into a freshman drama, we’re not gonna get our fairytale romance all tied up in a bow in season 1. Let’s see where it goes. And please be kind to the writers, cast, and fellow fans!!!

[thisisnotatrashcan]

Yes!!!!! And also, people seem to forget that they always bickered at work. “You take *all* the pleasure” and “again, on an island”. But do they consider that childish or petty? No, because that doesn’t fit their narrative of Kate being a saint and Lucy the villain in this.

[jenkasper81]

Yes! I forgot to mention that Lucy and Kate always bickered and it was never considered unprofessional until they broke up. It's just how they are with each other.

[jenkasper81]

Fair warning, this might get long but I have some thoughts on whatever has been going on today and recently in the fandom.

I've been really surprised, and honestly disappointed, with how some fans are turning on Lucy (and apparently the writers). I really don't get it. So I'm gonna need someone to explain how Lucy is the bad guy in all of this? Did she have a secret girlfriend that she didn't tell Kate about?

She made a bunch of concessions with regards to their relationship and keeping it a secret only to find out that Whistler already had a girlfriend, and in her mind that's the real reason they had to stay hidden, which is a horrible spot to be put in. We know that's not the case because the writer's have shown and told us that, but Lucy still believes it and her anger is justified.

She also hasn't been unprofessional at all given the circumstances. She may roll her eyes or be "efficient with her words" when Whistler is around but she has worked with her and done her job without issue. And think about it this way, Lucy goes home and is likely flooded with memories of someone she was falling in love with but broke her heart. Then she goes to the one place she can focus on something else and that person is right there. She also didn’t tell anyone the real reason they broke up. Even though the team is her second family and her best friends. That is a kindness and a high level of professionalism that she is showing.

And then there are suggestions that Lucy is being unreasonable for not talking with Whistler about their relationship or hearing her out. Again, I disagree. Lucy already made concessions on their relationship only to find out Whistler lied, so Lucy ended the relationship. She doesn't owe Kate the chance to apologize or explain, especially since she already admitted that she was still in a relationship with Cara when she began dating Lucy. Lucy has every right to end things and move on. She's made her boundaries clear with Kate, in that they can discuss work but she doesn't want more. That's okay and quite healthy. She's prioritizing her own well-being rather than Kate's guilty conscience.

When she's ready, or if she's willing, she can initiate a discussion. But I'm actually really glad that the writers had Lucy distance herself and have had Kate mostly respect Lucy's boundaries. That is the foundation of a healthy relationship moving forward, which I believe is the endgame here. I'm glad to see NCIS:Hawai'i is not celebrating toxicity or unhealthy relationships. It's honestly refreshing.

Also, not for nothing, but I believe the extended hiatus made the breakup seem longer than it really has been. It's been 5 episodes, spread out over 2+ months. And in the show's timeline it's maybe been a month. Pretty normal stuff there. Nothing unreasonable for Lucy to still be hurt or not ready to be around Kate.

All I'm saying is to give it time and allow these characters and their story to develop. We're 16 episodes into a freshman drama, we're not gonna get our fairytale romance all tied up in a bow in season 1. Let's see where it goes. And please be kind to the writers, cast, and fellow fans!!!

[100hearteyes]

I think a very important thing some people forget when they criticize Lucy's ongoing hurt/anger is that Kate was not going to tell her.

So in her head, and even if she knows better deep down, Lucy's still probably a bit like, "you're not sorry you lied; you're just sorry you got caught". And that is a very tough barrier to get past when it comes to trusting someone.

Of course, we know that in Kate Whistler's not-so-good-at-peopleing mind it was never like that. She just up and left Cara and it fizzled out, so she thought the break-up was as good as official, and there was no need to tell Lucy about something that, in her mind, was already over. Except Cara showed up, but she thought, "well, I'll just send her on her way and be done with it, no need to tell Lucy about something that doesn't exist". But that's the thing, isn't it? She wasn't going to tell. And that, I think, is the focal point of Lucy's hurt and distrust.

Obviously, Kate needs to be able to apologize in order to make things right, but Lucy also needs to be ready to hear it. I think spending time apart and learning to be (incrementally) more comfortable around each other without romantic undertones was a step in the right direction. And if the summary for 1x17 is not misleading us, then it seems Lucy might just be nearing the point where she's ready to listen.

[mangeur-detoiles]

KATE WHISTLER | NCIS HAWAI'I 1x16

Hot FBI Special Agent Whistler

[jenkasper81]

🥵 Wow... She's getting hotter as the season goes on. Like, how?!

That first gif, where she spins around, hands in pocket... Ma'am, I am weak.

[jenkasper81]

After watching Whistler and Jane ruin that guy's life in interrogation tonight, I would now like to see Lucy and Kate interrogate someone (after getting back together) and Lucy being surprised by how hot it is when Whistler does her thing. And after the case is resolved she casually mentions that she wouldn't mind if Whistler practiced on her. Alone. With a wink and a cute spin like in 1x10. 😏

[sagihairius]

no phone i did not “miss a call” i watched it ring the whole time