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Kingsley: REMUS, TONKS COME GET YOUR SON HE DID SOMETHING AGAIN!

Tonks: What did he do?

Kingsley: He was trying to teach Harry's kids about holidays.

Remus: Ok? What's wrong with that?

Kingsley: He did it wrong! I mean just watch- James, what is Christmas?

James Sirius: Christmas is a holiday where human beings worship the great god Santa, a creature with fearsome claws, and his wife Mary. And around midnight on Christmas Eve, Santa breaks into homes to bribe eternal loyalty out of the children through presents.

Kingsley: Albus, what's thanksgiving?

Albus: A day in November when the people of the USA go to war with a country called Turkey. They then eat all the captured Turkey people. Like savages

Kingsley: Lily, what is a birthday party?

Lily Luna: A satanic ritual where a group of people gather around a flaming object and chant a reparative song in union until the fire is blown out and the object is stabbed.

Remus: Ok so what's the problem?

Kingsley: wHaT dO YoU mEaN WhAt’s ThE pRoBlEm? ThEy MeSsEd tHe hOliDaY’s uP!

Tonks: That's how I remember celebrating them.

Kingsley, softly: Jesus f*cking Christ, what happened to this planet while I was gone?

seethefakemuses

As a non jc stan i find it absolutely hilarious and honestly borderline frustrating with how many posts I see how polarizing he seems to be for a dude I mostly regarded as a background character. It seems this dilf?milf? invokes some mad cow syndrome in y’all like the amount of discourse about him like hes not the only or most morally complex character in mdzs

he’s polarizing bc he’s integral to the plot functioning and he’s a threat to wangxian’s relationship. if he was removed from the novel there’d be no plot, and the story would be way less compelling. his chemistry with wwx >>>> wangxian’s chemistry so anyone who’s a wangxian shipper but can sense chemistry instinctively rejects him. others see that he’s a crazy hot guy and like him. sure, he’s not in the plot much, but wwx thinks about him so much it’s like he’s always present.

cqlfeels

Extremely unpopular opinion, but LWJ can give NHS a run for his money when it comes to being the spoiled baby of the family

over-the-misty-mountains

please elaborate

cqlfeels

@over-the-misty-mountains It’s more obvious in the novel and I’m trying not to spoil it for you!

In the novel, LWJ is LQR’s darling and if he does anything wrong that’s because some evil fiend has corrupted this pure golden child. LXC is, well, LXC. Plus, novel LWJ can be quite selfish but he rarely suffers any consequences. Like, sure, they go through the motions of punishing him, but he consistently gets the lightest possible punishment for his offense. Not always, but almost all the time. And then we have tidbits like “pets are strictly forbidden unless Wangji wants rabbits in which case we’ll turn a blind eye” or “oh Wangji mentioned yesterday he wanted lotus pods so today there just happens to be lotus pods in Clouds Recesses, what a coincidence, I’m sure these are unconnected events!”

NHS, on the other hand, does whatever he wants and then NMJ periodically decides this is going too far and he has to fix NHS’s behavior TODAY. So he also faces consequences regularly! They just never stick. (And NHS throws tantrums but they don’t change NMJ’s mind.)

In CQL, NMJ is less strict and, for some reason, the Lan are generally stricter (not just with LWJ, with everyone.) So this isn’t as easy to spot. But it’s still there!

Things NHS likes/is good at: fans, getting people to help him with his problems, having fun/freedom. Things NHS dislikes/is bad at: sabers, running his sect/responsibility in general, violence. I don’t have to tell you that he does what he likes and doesn’t do what he dislikes.

Things LWJ likes/is good at: following rules, traveling to help people/investigate stuff, mentoring juniors. Things LWJ dislikes/is bad at: playing nice with people he dislikes/diplomacy, politics (both intra sect and inter sect), forgetting WWX. Guess what he does and what he doesn’t.

Pretty much every other character in LWJ’s generation or in his brother’s generation is constantly doing things they don’t want to.

And um. LWJ is Gusu Lan’s heir until LXC has a son. He definitely doesn’t care about that in the novel, and in CQL he’s doing an amazing job systematically antagonizing every single sect leader he meets. Even JIN LING knows better than to do that!

inessencedevided

These are all very good points and i love that op put them so poignantly! Lwj has flaws and he’s so much more interesting when we acknowledge them!!

I honestly think it’s in many ways simply the “youngest child syndrom” and even further “youngest child of a deeply traumatised family” syndrom

Both the nie brothers and the lan brothers loose their parents early (qingheng-jun may have been alive but he wasn’t exactly present). LQR is basically defined by his role as uncle and teacher and lan xichen is a care taker to boot both as a sect leader and a bother

On the point of this being more obvious in the novel (and maybe you just didn’t mention it because you didn’t want to spoil @/over-the-misty-mountains) but the most obvious example to me is lan wangji’s choices after guanyin temple. In cql? Stays, helps his clan recover, becomes chief cultivator, (presumably) supports lan xichen. In the novel? Fucks off to night hunt and fuck his husband for three months. That is … wow. Like … I get it dude, you waited for 13 years and you’re finally happy but your brother just basically went through the same trauma as you did 13 years ago. Would it kill you to wait for a hot second and check if he’s okay? That is a frankly extraordinarily selfish decision (This is not character bashing btw. If lan wangji didn’t have flaws, he wouldn’t be my favourite character ^^)

That decision imo perfectly exemplifies the fact that lwj is as much used to his brother taking care of him as nhs, while the opposite is just not expected. That’s not to say that both don’t love their older brothers (they obviously do. Case in point nhs’s years spanning revenge scheme and lwj ultimately returning due to his brother) but they automatically (and maybe unconsciously because the moment lxc’s is brought to his attention lwj goes back) put their own interest before their older brother’s

cqlfeels

@inessencedevided yes, I was avoiding spoilers, but that’s for me the biggest example of LWJ failing to recognize both his brother’s exact emotional state, and his own political duty to step in if LXC is effectively unable to be a sect leader.

I also think of the Banquet extra, when WWX asks LWJ if secluded LXC is alright and he answers, and I quote “Not really… . In the years when I was in secluded meditation, Brother had always been the one to comfort me.”

That’s very telling. It’s not that LWJ doesn’t try to look after his brother. He does. He just has no clear idea how, and I’m pretty sure it’s because LXC won’t let him. I feel like LXC withdraws, and LWJ doesn’t know how to push without being disrespectful at best and making LXC feel worse at worst. All this to say, LWJ probably never had the chance the develop the habit of taking care of LXC the way LXC takes care of him.

And I think yeah, this is absolutely about both the Nie and the Lan losing their parents very young! But it’s not even just about the older boys taking a parenting role. I think it’s also very much about the older boys who had to grow up too fast doing their best to let their brothers be young for just a little longer - and ultimately overdoing it so they end up somewhat more childish than they would’ve been if they had had a normal childhood. I think it’s part of how they cope? “My life sucks but it’s so my brother’s won’t, so it’s not just meaningless suffering, it’s totally my choice” kind of rationalization.

Anyway, besides being a somewhat endearing trait AND a flaw at once, NHS and LWJ being somewhat coddled growing up explains, to me, a lot about their actions. Neither of them seems to process strong negative emotions well. Grief, mainly, but also things like frustration. Because they always have people looking out for them, I think they aren’t particularly good when it comes to having strategies to deal with things not going their way. If you are spared from small distressing events, when something VERY distressing happens, you just don’t have the experience to deal with it in the best way possible. So, uh… *gestures vaguely at entire plot*… happens

lightpollution

These are all SUCH lovely points! I’m now contrasting their behavior with Jiang Wanyin, who while a younger brother as well, is the heir of Yunmeng Jiang, and his whole life is a series of things he didn’t want to do but was responsible for? His relationship with WWX is complex and messy and honestly one of my favorites, but I think his resentment for LWJ probably stems from this; he is the most righteous and talented and well regarded because there are no consequences for his actions. And the same for NHS; NHS doesn’t know what he’s doing? It’s okay, Er-ge and San-ge will make allowances for him and the other sects will fall in line. Jiang Wanyin’s siblings could never take the weight of his responsibilities, he retained his parents until the age of fifteen, and I guess… It shows.

featherfur

Jiang Cheng should have been the one tossed in the burial mounds, he would have taken all of two seconds before the mountain was like “Wow Talk About Issues” and tossed him back out perfectly fine into the panicked arms of Wei Wuxian and Yanli and literally every person Wei Wuxian and Yanli have ever met, including both Jin’s dragged by an embarrassed but Doing his Best Jin Zixuan and Lan’s brought by Wei Wuxian-Simp Lan Wangji, fully planning on storming the burial mounds and destroying it and the Wen’s if they had too.

They’re all hugging dramatically on the floor while everyone else is staring awkwardly except Nie Huaisang who lasts two seconds before he’s also moving in because he almost lost a member of the no braincell trio. There’s tears from three of them because Jiang Cheng hasn’t cried yet

Why? Because Jiang Cheng is beyond offended even a mountain of resentment doesn’t want him, he’s going back in, what the fuck

featherfur

So we know that Jin Ling is bullied at home by the Jin so he doesn’t have any friends there, certainly doesn’t have a Mianmian, but we also know that that no ones stupid enough to bully him at the Jiang Sect. So does Jin Ling have friends in the Jiang sect and he just doesn’t realize it?

Because I can definitely understand Jiang Cheng making a point of “Don’t get too close to those you’ll be in charge of, you need to be able to make decisions with a clear head” (there’s a better way to word that but it’s not coming to me) kind of like how his generation was. No one had a friend that wasn’t another heir except him/Yanli, aka Wei Wuxian who barely counts because he’s more family then friend, and Jin Zixuan, aka Mianmian. But there’s no reason other than politeness for the Jiang Juniors not to be atleast somewhat friendly with Jin Ling.

Like even though Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian’s station was above the other disciples, they were still pretty friendly and happy to see each other. So I don’t see why Jin Ling wouldn’t have had atleast people he likes in the Jiang Sect.

So! what if Jin Ling does have friends in the Jiang Sect he just doesn’t realize it until he visits with Jingyi, Sizhui, and Zizhen and you just hear “Oh so you can hang out with a fucking Hanguang-Jun stan but you’re too good for us? No Lotus seeds for Sect Leader Jin! For a thousand years!” Before Jin Ling is body slammed into a lake by two Jiang disciples who have been fucking waiting for him to come back to share gossip

featherfur

Wei Wuxian, trying to help his brother not be single and lonely: Xichen’s single! You get along great with him and!!! He’s almost as pretty as Lan Zhan!

Jiang Cheng who saw what happened to Xichen’s last two exes: Are you trying to kill me??

featherfur

Jiang Sect juniors being brought along with Wei Wuxian (technically Jin Ling is the one ‘watching them’ with his own people but they all know they only said that so Jiang Cheng would let them go) and of course the Lan with Hanguang-Jun.

They get halfway through a hunt and have to take a break while the Adults figure out where to go from there and the Jiang Juniors just plop down and start pulling out insane amounts of food and passing them out.

Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji are absolutely blown away by how much food these guys have prepared, though Jin Ling is just sighing and nodding.

“I’m surprised they didn’t start complaining earlier about missing snack break time.” Jin Ling says, almost fondly as he waves and assures his own juniors that “yes yes you can have some, Jiu- Sect leader Jiang would have packed enough.”

The Lan clan are standing behind Lan Wangji with their mouths hanging open.

“You guys get snack breaks?” Jingyi shouts as if he’s not an adult who can bring his own snacks.

“You guys don’t?!?” A Jiang disciple says, absolutely scandalized

The Lan sect turns to Lan Wangji with the most betrayed look on each of their faces. Lan Wangji turns to Wei Wuxian who just looks confused and gives Lan Wangji a pout back.

“Why don’t we have snack breaks?” Wei Wuxian says, as if he is not also an adult who can bring his own snacks and also in charge of a night hunt that’s still going.

The next day Lan Xichen arrives to work to find a piece of paper signed by all the juniors and Wangji and Wuxian that requests mandatory snack breaks on every hunt.

wolveshowlatnight

Lan Wangji prepares to step down as Chief Cultivator, it pains him greatly that, of all possible successors available, Jiang Cheng is the best suited, but he won't let personal feelings get in the way of the right choice.

Jiang Cheng is decidedly NOT on board. Jin Ling's doing well, Yunmeng Jiang is strong and stable, he's been thinking of taking a vacation not working MORE. Cue evading Lan Wangji and anyone associated. All Jiang disciples are on Jiang Cheng's side. Sect Leader Jiang? Sorry, never heard of him. A little bit off in the background you can see Sect Leader Jiang diving off the pier.

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So we’re getting to a part in the anime where I hope I don’t see old discussions about Jiang Cheng coming back, like he’s the worst character or that he has a bad temper for no reason and doesn’t accept Wei Wuxian back as great friends that they were. I think we already know this story too deeply to understand that Jiang Cheng was used as much as Wei Wuxian in all of this, in this whole scenario of war and power. Jiang Cheng lost his parents in a horrible way, lost his golden core and his chances of revenge that almost made him give up of life; later, when the war ended, he found himself alone, without allegiances, with a broken clan, having only himself, Yanli and Wei Wuxian, but the plans didn’t stop and they found themselves again in the middle of a situation that never should have happened. Wei Wuxian died, but Jiang Cheng stayed alive, having to mourn his sister, the last family he had left, and help raise his nephew who is a Jin and not a Jiang. Jiang Cheng had to mature on his own and that hardened his heart. He had to make his clan rise from the ashes, alone, he had to bear all this burden without anyone’s help, without anyone’s guidance. The anger he feels toward Wei Wuxian at this point in the story is completely understandable, because the lies are still in the air. People need to feel, and sometimes not all feelings are good, and I think we all agree that if Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng had sit down and talked after Wei Wuxian gave his golden core to him, a lot of things would have happened different.

weiwanyin

I keep seen antis go on the talk about how JC fans can like a character who tortured and killed demonic cultivators.

And my response is obviously, yes.

Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk.

Anyway you all seem to have no trouble enjoying WWX who literaly tortured a man into self cannibalism, but you all suddenly give two fucks about a bunch of unnamed background demonic cultivators who were probably going around murdering people before being capture but go on.