Screaming Agony

Really need to go back to making them look completely different from actual firearms.

nostalgicamerica

The left believes that if they dont like the totalitarian leader they can just protest their way out of it.

love-and-socialism

Incredible. They're so close to getting it.

The game seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what communism is. What they're describing is a capitalist system working better when the workers have more of the capital, and wouldn't apply at all in a system devoid of capital.

And when you go through real world history, the introduction of the capitalist system did exactly that, distributing resources away from the nobility into the common people and thereby massively improving quality of life, while every "communist" society consisting of more than about 200 people has inevitably concentrated control of all the resources on a tiny ruling class while the general population starves and dies.

thecacklingcreep

>capitalism distributing resources from nobility into the commons

You actually believe this?

The fact that you can afford the machine that you typed that with proves that it did. You might be poor compared to the billionaires, but you're not a fucking serf. The probability of you dying of starvation or exposure is pretty close to zero, and that makes you wealthy by the standards of any pre-capitalist culture.

Look, you could open literally any book about pre-renaissance history, or I could just summarize the first 200,000 years of humanity for you: it fucking sucked. The three most accurate words to describe the life of anybody who wasn't born into the aristocracy were nasty, brutish, and short.

I'm not going to pretend capitalism is the best possible system. I'm not even going to pretend that it's a good system. But the fact remains that what came before it was even worse in pretty much every way. And every attempt that people have made so far to replace it with something newer has resulted in making things dramatically worse again. So until somebody comes up with a new idea, or there's an unprecedented shift in technology or human psychology, it remains the least shitty of our many shitty options.

fuck i just realized how the game has a basic flaw in communism

the workers get PAID

there is no money in communism, because there is no private ownership, and all things are shared equally.

its not communism if there are wages. so they're running a collectivist capitalism and calling it communism.

It's not capitalist because the workers control the means of production and the profits of their labor; the capitalist has been boxed out of the economy and abolished. Workers are not paid a wage, rather they have a stake in their workplace and own a share of the profits. This isn't higher phase communism, true, as currency still exists, but this model is consistent with lower phase communism. It's also hardly an attempt at the soviet model, but the soviet experiment departed considerably from prior theory and strategy of communism. Indeed, many other models exist that still use currency systems--from labor voucher systems to anarcho-collectivism to syndicalism to, of course, the worker-coop strategy, and more.

In other words, it's not communism.

You can't exactly say 'oh no it's communism it's just not communism as set as the ideal'... (well, no, it's pretty fucking common for communists to claim that but only until they hit the 'it's not REAL communism REAL communism has never been tried!) but no, again, it doesn't actually COUNT.

See if there is profits, there are the means to buy the methods OF production. The capitalists are NOT locked out of the system. The worker can save up until they can buy capital, and then use that to get an advantage over others.

Let alone the whole fact that if the workers own the business, then any group of workers can own more material than other groups of workers, and thus have more capital and profits.

Which ALSO means it's not actually fucking communism, it's a rebranded socialism. Because there ARE no profits under communism, everything is owned collectively and there is no 'profit' to be had.

You can name all the not-actually-Communist collectivist systems you want, that doesn't make them communism.

Are you familiar with the term "lower stage communism"? Marx used the terms "socialism" and "communism" nearly interchangeably but distinguished between lower stages and higher stages of that society; iirc, Lenin popularized labelling the former simply as "socialism." "Hey, this society attempting to build communism is in a transitional stage! Sounds like fake communism." Transitional stages have been a key factor in just about every communist theory save for anarcho-communism. And yeah, even the anarcho-communist experiments such as in Ukraine or Spain still found it necessary to form currency. Like, do you get this upset when people call the USSR communist despite the fact it wasn't? Feels overly semantic, if so

yourtoradorasextendedwarranty

No, I bring this up because every fucking time people fail to build a communist state, and it collapses messily into oppressive dictatorships that abuse the power given to them to build even a socialist state, they claim 'real communism has never been tried.'

If the justification for always defining communism as never having failed by claiming that unless it's achieved completely it's never been started, then I am going to hold people to those definitions.

Besides which, as WE HAVE BOTH STATED, there IS a term for a state where there is a mixed economy. Socialism. The game uses a socialist economic model for one of it's options, and dubs it communism. Pointing out that it's socialism, not communism, is a valid response to that.

beardedmrbean

Every single one of you is looking at all of this the wrong way. The right way is to note that the only time communism actually works is in a fantasy land. We've already seen how it works in real life.

Book title: Socialism Works A Comprehensive Guide

*Opens book* "Socialism (ONLY) works in simulations because it is devoid of human decision making. The end".

Just looked it up. Looks like you just build industries and assume demand/consumption. Not a lot of realism

love-and-socialism

Incredible. They're so close to getting it.

The game seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what communism is. What they're describing is a capitalist system working better when the workers have more of the capital, and wouldn't apply at all in a system devoid of capital.

And when you go through real world history, the introduction of the capitalist system did exactly that, distributing resources away from the nobility into the common people and thereby massively improving quality of life, while every "communist" society consisting of more than about 200 people has inevitably concentrated control of all the resources on a tiny ruling class while the general population starves and dies.

thecacklingcreep

>capitalism distributing resources from nobility into the commons

You actually believe this?

The fact that you can afford the machine that you typed that with proves that it did. You might be poor compared to the billionaires, but you're not a fucking serf. The probability of you dying of starvation or exposure is pretty close to zero, and that makes you wealthy by the standards of any pre-capitalist culture.

Look, you could open literally any book about pre-renaissance history, or I could just summarize the first 200,000 years of humanity for you: it fucking sucked. The three most accurate words to describe the life of anybody who wasn't born into the aristocracy were nasty, brutish, and short.

I'm not going to pretend capitalism is the best possible system. I'm not even going to pretend that it's a good system. But the fact remains that what came before it was even worse in pretty much every way. And every attempt that people have made so far to replace it with something newer has resulted in making things dramatically worse again. So until somebody comes up with a new idea, or there's an unprecedented shift in technology or human psychology, it remains the least shitty of our many shitty options.

fuck i just realized how the game has a basic flaw in communism

the workers get PAID

there is no money in communism, because there is no private ownership, and all things are shared equally.

its not communism if there are wages. so they're running a collectivist capitalism and calling it communism.

It's not capitalist because the workers control the means of production and the profits of their labor; the capitalist has been boxed out of the economy and abolished. Workers are not paid a wage, rather they have a stake in their workplace and own a share of the profits. This isn't higher phase communism, true, as currency still exists, but this model is consistent with lower phase communism. It's also hardly an attempt at the soviet model, but the soviet experiment departed considerably from prior theory and strategy of communism. Indeed, many other models exist that still use currency systems--from labor voucher systems to anarcho-collectivism to syndicalism to, of course, the worker-coop strategy, and more.

In other words, it's not communism.

You can't exactly say 'oh no it's communism it's just not communism as set as the ideal'... (well, no, it's pretty fucking common for communists to claim that but only until they hit the 'it's not REAL communism REAL communism has never been tried!) but no, again, it doesn't actually COUNT.

See if there is profits, there are the means to buy the methods OF production. The capitalists are NOT locked out of the system. The worker can save up until they can buy capital, and then use that to get an advantage over others.

Let alone the whole fact that if the workers own the business, then any group of workers can own more material than other groups of workers, and thus have more capital and profits.

Which ALSO means it's not actually fucking communism, it's a rebranded socialism. Because there ARE no profits under communism, everything is owned collectively and there is no 'profit' to be had.

You can name all the not-actually-Communist collectivist systems you want, that doesn't make them communism.

Are you familiar with the term "lower stage communism"? Marx used the terms "socialism" and "communism" nearly interchangeably but distinguished between lower stages and higher stages of that society; iirc, Lenin popularized labelling the former simply as "socialism." "Hey, this society attempting to build communism is in a transitional stage! Sounds like fake communism." Transitional stages have been a key factor in just about every communist theory save for anarcho-communism. And yeah, even the anarcho-communist experiments such as in Ukraine or Spain still found it necessary to form currency. Like, do you get this upset when people call the USSR communist despite the fact it wasn't? Feels overly semantic, if so

yourtoradorasextendedwarranty

No, I bring this up because every fucking time people fail to build a communist state, and it collapses messily into oppressive dictatorships that abuse the power given to them to build even a socialist state, they claim 'real communism has never been tried.'

If the justification for always defining communism as never having failed by claiming that unless it's achieved completely it's never been started, then I am going to hold people to those definitions.

Besides which, as WE HAVE BOTH STATED, there IS a term for a state where there is a mixed economy. Socialism. The game uses a socialist economic model for one of it's options, and dubs it communism. Pointing out that it's socialism, not communism, is a valid response to that.

beardedmrbean

Every single one of you is looking at all of this the wrong way. The right way is to note that the only time communism actually works is in a fantasy land. We've already seen how it works in real life.

Book title: Socialism Works A Comprehensive Guide

*Opens book* "Socialism (ONLY) works in simulations because it is devoid of human decision making. The end".

theconstitutionisgayculture

No one has mentioned central planning. Is that part of it? Central planning has been famously awful at getting production right.

bighermie

Liberalism is a mental disease

millionaireogre

Fire his ass

All of these people need to be purged from government jobs. Then you have to find the ones that are smart enough not to post this shit publicly. They're the really dangerous ones.

feminismisstillahatemovement

I think many people would like to believe government employees are nonpartisan and simply work for the good of all. That illusion has really fallen away in the last decade.

At this point can you call him a comedian?

sawbuckplus

theconstitutionisgayculture

And that's why the warmth of the collective is so dangerous.

brazenautomaton

"Why should anyone profit off of food?" seems like a strange question to beg. The answer seems clear to me: So that those involved in distributing it can buy their own, to begin with. Or are wages already factored in when calculating profit?

Because to a certain mindset, "profit" means "steal and extort for no reason when they could give it away for free"

Better question: Who should be forced to provide food for no compensation to avoid "profits on food"?

Do people not really understand that profits are put towards repairing and upgrading equipment and expanding the business operation. I know some economic theories are based on the concept that all we have now is all we'll ever have. But the reality is much more optimistic.

jardinssteve

#reaist the anti establishment?

What kind of congress would allow someone that stole $5MM in emergency money to still sit in membership?

culturaloffering

More fun here.

martindykewood

not to sound like a christian facebook mom but some of yall need to have grace in your hearts for the people in your lives or the people you pass once on the road and never see again like you literally need to stop assuming the worst of everyone and their intentions it is poisoning your brain. you can be careful and responsible without being a miserable person. it is possible i promise

martindykewood

you are a tar pit and you live this way because you choose to.

turtlesandfrogs

Also, if you're a jerk to others, the percentage of jerks you interact with will be higher than if you're not a jerk.

By being a jerk, you're actively making your life harder and less pleasant. This is because we're a social species, and we do this thing called "mirroring" usually unconsciously, so people tend to reflect the behavior you put out, back to you.

Also you can intentionally be kinder with people, and they'll be kinder to you.

We are a social species depended on cooperation to survive. Altruistic behavior is actually what's in our genetic past, far more than jerks.

becausegoodheroesdeservekidneys

A few years back, my comedian husband was at Cardiff Glee Club, waiting to perform. He's friends with all the staff there, so he was chatting to one of the glass collectors while the audience were coming in, finding their seats, ordering drinks to their tables etc

It was a busy night, and apparently the bar and kitchen were both running a little behind. Mid conversation , a woman strode up to Steff and his friend and aggressively said "I get that you're having a nice time, guys, but some of us are still waiting on drinks, so do you think you could do your jobs?"

Before either could answer, the bar manager materialised.

"Well, he's a glass collector and he's one of the acts on tonight," she said politely, pointing them out. "So, neither of them can help you. But I'm the manager, can I help?"

("I specified that," the manager told Steff afterwards, "because if she's going to be a dick, I'm going to waste her time by telling her why she's wrong and has just been stupid before I help her.")

"Yes," said the woman, now gearing up to get good and annoyed to compensate for her embarrassment. "We've been waiting for our drinks for over half an hour! This is ridiculous!"

"I'm sorry about that," says the manager. "We're super busy tonight, as you can see. What's your order number? I'll check its status."

The woman gave it. The manager looked it up.

"Ah," said the manager. "I see the problem - these were ordered twelve minutes ago, but there's currently a twenty minute wait, as you can see on the board. I'll see what we can do to speed it up, though, and we'll get to it as soon as we can."

The woman grumbled and left.

The manger put her one lower in the queue.

Five minutes later, a second woman from a different group arrived.

"Sorry, it's very possible I'm being a bother and you'll get to it soon," she smiled. "But I just wondered if there's an update on our order? It's been a while."

"I'm so sorry," the manager said, "we're super busy. Let me check for you... Yes, you're still in the queue. We'll get to you as soon as possible, shouldn't be long now."

"Oh!" says the woman. "No, no worries, I just thought I'd double check to make sure we hadn't somehow dropped off the system. Thank you!"

She left, and the manager put her one higher in the queue. When her order was made, the manager added an extra bottle of beer, and a little note that said "Sorry for the wait :)"

And I tell this tale because, the thing is... If this is typical behaviour, that first woman probably goes her whole life never quite being happy, never quite content, always missing out on free moments of human connection. By contrast, the second woman goes her life getting those little gestures, being seen that little bit earlier, having a slightly smoother time of things.

And neither probably even realises. In a thousand small ways, Second Woman has a happier time than First Woman, entirely down to their behaviour.

So yeah - act like a cunt to people, they'll repay you in kind. That's how it works. Your choice if you want that or not ig

siryouarebeingmocked

There's a quote from The Twits I can't be bothered to look up, that would make a good metaphor.

If you meet 3 @$$holes before lunch, chances are you're the @$$hole.

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Ya. What the fuck

Is she sitting in the UN?

proudamericansworld

feminismisstillahatemovement

People who talk about the world being overpopulated are always talking about people other than themselves.

the-davest-of-uncles

Please let this be a joke.

theconstitutionisgayculture

It's sadly not. Here's the description:

The synopsis: "Fourteen years after the passing of Frodo - Sam, Merry, and Pippin set out to retrace the first steps of their adventure. Meanwhile, Sam’s daughter, Elanor, has discovered a long-buried secret and is determined to uncover why the War of the Ring was very nearly lost before it even began."

There are so many red flags. Post-canon just like Starfleet Academy so the writers aren't "shackled" by canon. Nostalgia-bait premise of the main characters retracing their journey so the audience will be distracted by keyjangling. (Lines that will definitely happen "This was the furthest I'd ever been away from home." "Look, the king still has his crown" "A Hobbit is never late, he arrives right before second breakfast." Sam bungling some aspect of Bilbo's farewell speech. Probably at least three more Gandalf quotes spread out amongst the hobbits) A main character's daughter uncovering some secret that changes the canon events of the trilogy. New female character that will almost assuredly take over the story and be propped up by denigrating and dragging down the established male characters in some way. This seems like every mistake every reboot or modern sequel has made with dozens of franchises over the years.