Killer Sans

[k1ller-sans]

kind of a shitpost this time. beacuz whys nots? im not famous anyways :P

this is literally how it feels to watch the OC (original creator) of a character you love just goes against their own rules while you trying to fight off entire fandom by youself alone (not only about killer sans, while he is included...theres many other creators that does the same :D)

[k1ller-sans]

Okay I'm just gonna say this:

Before your post I headcanoned Killer being pansexual but then I kept reading the reblogs and realized "headcanoning Killer being a Muslim is perfection" cuz I'm also Muslim and his creator is too! Which made me rethink headcanoning Killer as pansexual and change it to straight as well as making him Muslim in my headcanon. I really like headcanoning Killer being Muslim and straight so I can put some of my Islamic problems into him as I have a feeling he has always been struggling in keeping up with his faith and not just go full on atheist seeing his situation (killing his loved ones, killing his brother, killing his friends, and so on) but doesn't want to make Allah (our version of god) mad as he still believes in Allah but just doesn't pray or fast or not killing people or stuff like that which makes him feel like he should be an atheist but he still believes in Allah.

I am in the same situation but I just didn't kill anyone, I don't pray at all but I still kinda believe in Allah so I want to go full on atheist but I still believe in my god. And I feel like Killer would go through things like that too.

But anyways that was my take on your post on Killer being not gay and headcanoning him being Muslim.

Ok So...first of all...We don't know if he prays or not after the good ending, because theres no posts about it neither any comics. But like...that wouldn't make sens, because drawing killer praying would be irrevelant to storyline also i can't see a good way to put it (maybe color find killer praying if they stay at same house after good ending but...ehh thats a mid presentation :P) and second of all, theres a lot of comics that are lost and i mean A LOT! so im saying...maybe...JUST maybe...theres a post or a comic that states that.

Im not going to explain why he's muslim again since i already did. We can't know for sure since Rahaf stopped sharing about killer and pretty much doesn't answer to comments.

MY reason to make this headcanon was 2 things, first...it make sense, second...i wanted to relate to the character more (:D) but first reason was the main thing pushed me to make this.

Honestly its good to see people finally normally Interracting with my posts since my first post (first version of my headcanon post) got VANDALISED with people reposting and "clowning" on me. (with weird tags like #brotalkinglikemuslimscantbegay. DX its so cringe. and i was relatively new to tumblr so i didn't know what to do at the time) pretty funny to see no one can really trash talk on me anymore.

Killer's out

[k1ller-sans]

Ok So...Heya!

Now... this post will be slightly different. My past posts are always backed up with canon, so I can confidently say, "that makes sense more than others," but this time… I'll still be giving canon backups, though they will not be directly relevant to the topic I’ll talk about. So, let's begin.

Act 1: What's the topic?

So, I was sitting, scrolling through YouTube Shorts yesterday, and a thought came to my mind… kind of a thought you would get in the shower:

"What Human Soul/Soul Trait would Killer have?"

Now yes, we all know Killer uses Determination… but Killer doesn’t have a soul. His soul just an amalgamation of pure Determination, thanks to a glitch. But Killer is a monster after all, so he doesn’t have a soul trait by default. So what soul would he get if it wasn’t DT? It’s easy: Justice. Why? Well, let me explain…

Act 2: Why Justice?

I have several reasons, both from UTSN and UT.

We all know how unfair Killer’s situation is: forced to kill his friends over and over again,

forced to leave his loved ones behind,

forced to SEE his friends die,

forced to kill his own brother,

and so on.

As we know from Undertale, Undyne fills with Determination when we are going to kill her. What does she need? Determination. Why? Because she needed to beat us.

So going from that path, Killer Sans is technically enslaved by Nightmare,

forced to kill the innocent, which is also not fair. So he needs Justice. Killer’s story mostly lacks justice; of course, he would get the Justice trait! (also people live/grow up with lack of something tend to give what they lacked to heal themselves. a kid who lacked love growing up tend to be more affectionate, while people who had traumatic experiences like tend to want to be like a police, if they had a incident that no one helped. become police to fill the gap. or a psychologist if they sturggeled with mental health)

Also, as you can see from the comics, he DOES help other monsters from other universes who are not fair to be killed for Nightmare’s whim.

So he already got back to his judge position, plus he flipped Nightmare off too (in the good ending), giving him what he deserves.

Also Killer was Judge of his own AT...he's technically half classic sans.

Talking of judges: they are supposed to be justice, to make sure no one gets mistreated. So Justice soul fits Sans in the first place.

So Yeah...Basically, Killer Would Have Justice Trait (maybe even Savior complex but thats both a really long topic and really short at the same time)

Killer's out, watch yourself out good lookin' ;)

[k1ller-sans]

I Know No One Cares Im Just Writing It For Fun

Now, Probably Most Of You Know Dear fanon MTT (Murder Time Trio) And It's Clear Each Of Them Has A Different Roles, Horror Could Be Used For Mass Damage And Breaking In Places...But Thats Not What Im Talking About....Im Talking About Roles In A Fight...And As A Killer Fan I'll Talk About Killer's Role....Now If You Don't Want To Wait He Would Be Support Or More Effective With A Team...Because Even Though He's Hella Strong....He Also Really Sneaky....So He Can Play All Kinds Of Tricks To Fool Their Opponent While Other 2 Finish Them Off (kinda like how you can 1 shot monsters in UT yellow) And My First Proof To That Obviously His Fight IQ In The Comics:

Observe And React, He Read Swap's Personality And Beat Him Easily (not that it would be hard for Killer otherwise....but that was quicker)

Or The Trick He Did With Grillby:

No AU Or Human Ever Though Of Using Water Against Grillby But Killer Did, Which Prooves My Point Of Him Being Tricky And Smart Enough To Fool Opponents, Also If You Look Here:

(Which Supposssed To Show Post-Fight Of Bad Sansses And Color Spectrum) You Can See That Killer Barely Has Any Scratches Which Means He Avoids Entering Direct Contact Or..."Hand To Hand" Combat When Theres A Teammate...Which Proves My Second Point Of Him Being Support...Also They Wouldn't LET Him Be In The Front Row As...His Personalites Would Make Him Uneffective On Finishing Enemies....As You Can See Here:

So Nightmare Would Give That Role To Dust As He Wants More LOVE And Horror Would Just...Eat Them And Go Insane Or Something...

Even When He Have The Oppurtunity To Sneak Attack And Finish His..."Opponent" He Doubts Because Of His Personalities...So Doing Damage Would Be Best Fitting For Him But Finishing The Job Would Be Harder...Now I Belive That Nightmare DO Use Killer For Killing (Assasination) As...Killer Is The Sneakiest One... But He Brainwashes Killer Even More Before Sending Him To A Mission...As We Can See In The Swap Comic, He Don't Hesitate To Kill/Attack Once He Got Provoked...Also Killer Has The Risk Of Turning Stage 4 (But 3 Because Other Sanses Don't Know His Stage 4...) When He Kill Someone And Attack The Party Members But It's Not An Issue If Killer In A Solo Mission As...Him Going Insane Will Just Make People More Scared Or Terrified, Therefore Making NM Stronger...Tell Me What You Think About This...If You Even Care....See You Later

[k1ller-sans]

So i learned Nightmare is not a sans (not) so recently...and i realise most of people doesn't know Killer is not a sans too. And it's not some fanon claim its literally in the canon

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Now you might say:

"Creator means that he's not "classic" sans anymore"

But come on...its so clear, she means Killer is not a sans anymore, which implies to that player changed his codes SIGNIFICANTLY even his file names, that he is not even a sans anymore. So yeah, Killer is not a Sans, just like Nightmare

(i know my last posts are short, but theres no topic to do pages of research or any questions (after all theres lot more popular people to ask about killer) so...yeah)

[k1ller-sans]

I want to make something crystal clear...Stage 1 Killer Sans is NOT classic sans, the personality doesn't match in the first place! Sans is a character that makes puns even when facing his brother's murderer, Stage 1 Killer is more depressive and hesitant, only time when stage 1 is similar to classic is good ending and the only similarity is Killer making a pun! Stage 1 is more similar to Dust (when he's sane) depressive, zoned out, and only feels guilt. I don't even know why people think stage 1 is classic? It never mentioned, like look:

Post by @rahafwabas · 4 images

💬 6  🔁 397  ❤️ 3654 · ( bad English ) stage 4 killer : me color : @superyoumna

"im fine" means he's not hostile.

And you can cry me a river i don't care if "sans cares monsters and stage 1 killer too"

Actually, no... sans let them die, but killer helped them, IT'S. NOT. THE. SAME!

[k1ller-sans]

Im really really curious about 2 things. First is that if Killer's Soul is touchable like something you can hold and interact with bare hand or just something like hologram. Second that if the circle (⭕) and the dot (🔴) is seperated, like if it was a physical thing and you pick it up would the dot inside the circle would come with it floating in the middle of it perfectly and held in place by a invisible force (inseperable), or when you grab the circle and yank it out, the dot just... awkwardly keep floating above his chest? I mean yeah its a dumb topic to be curious but it actually should be glowing, so you can use these like a glowstick...or a glow"circle"...eh? Ehh??? Get it? Like its a circ- yeah ok it was a bad pun. Anyways if it seperated you can use it as a glowstick and a glow"dot" ehh? Get it- ok i'll stop, and it would be a good and handy in dark. Also if Killer's soul is a physical thing, can he treat it like kris? like put it somewhere else and become... immortal...as his soul can not be harmed idk tell me what you think...or not...if you dare >:)

[k1ller-sans]

Okay, so... I don't really have a specific reason for writing this, but I'm going to do it anyway because I'm bored.

If we really think about it, Killer Sans is somewhat afraid to meet Toriel again, and it's canon that he likes her. So, I was thinking... if there's a solid ship(🚢 ) for Killer, it would be Killer x Chara.

Okay, before you freak out and send me death threats(💀), hear me out first.

Most of you probably say, "Killer killed Chara and basically hates them," but if you think about it, they had a really close relationship before Chara died. There's even a bad ending where Sans doesn't kill Chara. Even in the good ending, Killer and Chara are always together. Always.

Even if Sans appears to hate her (yes, I refer to Frisk and Chara as "she/her" 🤷‍♂️), over time, things might change. After all, isn't that how tsundere characters work in anime? Slowly growing affectionate?

Also, Chara x Sans is already popular. Killer Sans x Chara wouldn't be so weird to have. At this point, every AU has Chara x Sans (which, in my opinion, "StoryFell Chara x Fell Sans" is by far the best). UTSM shouldn't be an exception, right?

Also, Frisk can't be an option either. He killed Frisk over and over again too. He would be as terrified to see her as much as Toriel.

I mean, that's basically it. We can discuss if you want, but no one cares, so I guess not 🤷‍♂️

[k1ller-sans]

Ok now we all know how Killer Sans is 999999 LVL yet 1 HP? Well first of all yes it doesn't make any sense, second of all i have a theory. Now we already know that HP can go below 1 as we see in the Asriel fight. So using that fact...i'd say Killer Sans has one HP (in stats) but upon taking damage it goes down to 0.1 and more, like 0.0001 ect. So with that he have HP of 999999 LVL in one single HP which...could trick some opponents after Killer took damage and doesn't die...which fits to Killer's Style. When he is not with Chara he doesn't just kill but first earns the trust of the opponent/ waiting it to lower its guard. (Kinda like how you can do in Undertale yellow) So having 1 HP he could just trick opponent like "WAIT WAIT...I ONLY HAVE ONE HP I DON'T WANA FIGHT YOU!" And most of the reasonable monster would let him live which he one shots them easily (i mean technically he is 999999 LVL so when you use *CHECK* it probably Show 999999 ATK/DEF and can one shot most of the AU and monsters easily but he is a sneaky guy what do you expect?) also because of he was able to control determination he can save and load too meaning EVEN if he dies he could just revive from last save or...he could even refuse to die as he have more determination then human which making him pretty much immortal. I mean maybe im just being a fan-boy here but still it makes sense, aside from his soul having a lot of determination that it stick out from his body, excessive determination is leaking from his eyes. Which...making him the AU sans with most DT...i guess? ANYWAYS lets get back to topic and Let me summarize; Killer has one HP (official confirmed by creator but the glitch cause him to have 999999 LVL drops his HP below zero like 0.0001 (depends on amount if damage) upon taking damage. And (theres not) if theres a limit to his HP go down he can just simply refuse/revive and go back to fighting like nothing happend.

Bye

[k1ller-sans]

Ok, I'm back!

So, before we start, let me tell you who I am... (spoiler: I'm not famous). I made a post about how Killer Sans is Muslim, not gay, and shared some of my own reasons why I think that. But everyone started reposting it, saying he is gay, pansexual, or, most importantly, claiming that even if he is Muslim, there are "queer Muslims." So, I'm here with my actual evidence to back up my claims. Let's start, shall we?

First, why is Killer Sans Arab?

Well, this one is easy. A Sans AU's nationality depends on the creator unless the creator specifies their nationality. Because Rahaf is Arab and (probably) lives in Arabia, so Killer Sans was born in Arabia, and his "parents" are Arab. (Also, the other characters are Arab too because their AU was created in Arabia, ergo they were all born in Arabia and are Arabic.)

Also, Killer Sans (and other monsters) speak Arabic in these:

no this is not Right…..i i will say NO !

“Welcome to the genocide run” NEXT => if you cant see what is Written….. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 , 9  i know my English is so bad so yah~

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something new…. what happens if i said YES…. 

Now we know Killer is Arab, so let's move to the next matter.

Second, why is Killer Sans Muslim?

Now, while this is controversial, Killer Sans is Muslim because of his actions. Before the canon event, Killer Sans was the original Sans who lived the original Sans's life, so I’m going to use one of the facts for Killer Sans here.

In Undertale, Sans never teleports behind the Ruins door to see Toriel, and as probably most of you know, Muslims can’t see or touch people of the opposite gender unless they are married, or there is no problem like with parents, siblings, etc. Sans clearly could teleport behind the door easily but didn't, so that’s one point here. (Also, he likes Toriel but still resists, not seeing her face to face.)

Second, he refused Chara's offer. Even though he felt the pain of getting killed over and over again, he could have just said, "Forget it, I’m joining them, I don’t want to die again." But he resisted until the player changed his code (forced him) to join them. So, he is not liable for what he did next because he was under control. As you can see here:

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It’s so bad that he’s not even himself (Sans) anymore.

"Well, what about after he got rid of Chara? He kept killing monsters."

...

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killer : me color : @superyoumna nightmare : @jokublog

Also, it's a fact that nationality kind of determines your religion. It's not likely for an Arab person to believe in Hinduism, so it’s more likely that Killer is Muslim with all the facts I’ve given.

Third, why is he not gay?

Well, like I said, he likes Toriel, and Toriel is a WOMAN. Also he is Muslim (explaination coming)

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Killer do you like anyone? ( and sorry for asking you a lot of questions ) ......

Also stop using Killer X Color to prove he is gay:

Did u ship Killer×Color? i am more of bromantic then romantic 

Fourth, why is he not pansexual?

Well, because he is Muslim. Muslims can’t be homosexual for a few reasons.

First, obviously, Allah prohibits that. So far that He curses them.

Here are some traditions of the Holy Prophet ﷺ and his noble companions ؓ on this subject:

عن ابی ہریرہ ؓ ان رسول اللہ ﷺ قال: "لَعَنَ اللَّہُ سَبْعَةً مّنْ خَلْقِهِ مِنْ فَوْقِ سَبْعِ سَمَاوَاتِهِ وَرَدَّدَ اللَّعْنَةَ عَلَىٰ وَاحِدٍ مِّنْهُمْ ثَلاَثًا وَلَعَنَ كُلَّ وَاحِدٍ مِّنْهُمْ لَعْنَةً تَكْفِيهِ" (الحدیث)

As narrated by Sayyidna Abu Hurairah ؓ, the Holy Prophet ﷺ said: "Allah has cursed seven types of His creatures from above the seven heavens. He has cursed one of them thrice, while He has cursed the others once, which is enough for them. (About the one whom He has cursed thrice) He said, 'Cursed is he who did what the people of Lot did. Cursed is he who did what the people of Lot did. Cursed is he who did what the people of Lot did.'" (At-Targhib wat-Tarhib)

"But k1ller-sans, what did the people of Lot do?"

Well, I have your answer too:

Ash-Shu'ara أَتَأْتُونَ ٱلذُّكْرَانَ مِنَ ٱلْعَـٰلَمِينَ (١٦٥) “Why do you ˹men˺ lust after fellow men?” (165)

وَتَذَرُونَ مَا خَلَقَ لَكُمْ رَبُّكُم مِّنْ أَزْوَٰجِكُم ۚ بَلْ أَنتُمْ قَوْمٌ عَادُونَ (١٦٦) “Leaving the wives that your Lord ˹Allah˺ has created for you? In fact, you are a transgressing people.” (166)

Here’s from another surah:

Al-'Ankabut وَلُوطًا إِذْ قَالَ لِقَوْمِهِۦٓ إِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ ٱلْفَـٰحِشَةَ مَا سَبَقَكُم بِهَا مِنْ أَحَدٍۢ مِّنْ ٱلْعَـٰلَمِينَ (٢٨) “And ˹remember˺ when Lot rebuked ˹the men of˺ his people: 'You certainly commit a shameful deed that no man has ever done before you.'" (28)

أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ ٱلرِّجَالَ وَتَقْطَعُونَ ٱلسَّبِيلَ وَتَأْتُونَ فِى نَادِيكُمُ ٱلْمُنكَرَ ۖ فَمَا كَانَ جَوَابَ قَوْمِهِۦٓ إِلَّآ أَن قَالُوا۟ ٱئْتِنَا بِعَذَابِ ٱللَّهِ إِن كُنتَ مِنَ ٱلصَّـٰدِقِينَ (٢٩) “Do you really lust after ˹other˺ men, abuse the travelers, and practice immorality ˹openly˺ in your gatherings?” His people’s only response was to say ˹mockingly˺: “Bring Allah’s punishment upon us if what you say is true.” (29)

Now these are in the Qur'an telling people that homosexuality is prohibited and will not be forgiven. But why? You want to know why? Because homosexuals always break another rule:

عن ابن عباس ؓ ان رسول اللہ ﷺ قال: "لا یَنْظُرُ اللَّہُ عَزَّ وَ جَلّ إِلَىٰ رَجُلٍ أَتَىٰ رَجُلًا أَوْ امْرَأَةً فِي دُبُرِهَا" Sayyidna Ibn `Abbas ؓ narrates that the Holy Prophet ﷺ said: "Allah Almighty does not look (mercifully) at the person who commits anal intercourse with a man or woman."

Ah, you think you can just repent to Allah and get away with it? Well, it's not a minor sin. It's a big sin. Look, look:

و عن ابن عباس ؓ قال: "قال رسول اللہ ﷺ: مَن وَجَدْتُمُوهُ يَعْمَلُ عَمَلَ قَوْمِ لُوطٍ فَاقْتُلُوا فَاعِلَ وَمَفْعُولَ بِهِ" As narrated by Sayyidna Ibn `Abbas ؓ, the Holy Prophet ﷺ said: "If you find someone doing what the people of Lot did, kill both the doer and the one with whom it is done."

As you can see, homosexuals are no longer considered Muslims but apostates, and their punishment is DEATH.

So, people who keep telling me, "Why do you talk like there can't be queer Muslims?" should get their answer because, as I see it, a lot of people don't know how serious of a sin this is.

Anyways that was all have a good day.

[pilkofi]

a very important question that i won't definitely use under any circumstances: does color's blush also change with the color of his fire?

PLEASEI NEEDT O KNOW

[k1ller-sans]

Well if you ask me i'd say:

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Like a rainbow (like a real rainbow doesn't color changing) blush rather than RGB (constantly color changing) blush

(also i think Killer whould blush red if we consider his soul is pure determination and DT is Red. Or maybe black? I know it sounds absurd but think about it, Killer's eyes dripping overflowing cursed ener- ahem overflowing determination so we will also able to see it from his blush. Also it'll be really unique)

[k1ller-sans]

Now we all know that Killer is hostile to other sanses no matter how they approach in stage two. (For example Swap) And this bring us to one question...why did he wasn't hostile to Color (or Epic)? Well Color might have spoke to Swap after his eye taken by Killer and decided to try talk Killer himself. And he spoke to Killer in his first stage (probably playing with his cats LOL) and because of he is like normal Sans in stage one, he didn't attack Color. And thats why he explain his stages to Color, either Color asked Killer why he attack Swap while not attacking him, or Killer needed Color to know about his stages. Because we see it that he attacks Color too in stage two, so he is never fully friendly to Color. So if you ask me Killer wanted Color know about his stages to protect him (in case if Color approach Killer in stage two or others and got an suprise attack by Killer. He even says "don't trust me in this stage" about his stage two so it proves. see here.) and after that Color seek Killer to be stage one to talk with him (or just secretly put cats around to turn Killer stage one) and we only saw Color few times in comic and Killer always at stage one when he's with Color. So Color kinda just a lucky guy.

(Both Stage And Epic Full Comic HERE and HERE)