And now, for another piece of Serena glazing brought to you by an entitled fan from the vocal minority.
Going over this so you don't have to.
The first point he tries to make is that the XY anime in an attempt to prove that the XY anime is "the most popular Pokémon Anime series", using an IMDB rating of it to back it up with, even though the rating in question is, like, taken from about 617 people. Not even a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of viewers the XY anime ended with, let alone started out with. Which should pretty much tell anyone that the people who are giving such praise to the XY anime are not even part of the target audience. Especially since Yo-Kai Watch has been outright beating the XY anime in the ratings throughout the latter's run.
He credits Serena to being part of the success that the XY anime had. Even though the only place where it found "success" was among the periphery online fandom. Meanwhile what her portrayal and "AmourShipping" actually did contribute to in regards to the XY anime is the alienation of the target audience. With the target audience themselves going on record to say that they weren't vibing with what "AmourShipping" was giving them. And in regards to those not among the target audience but didn't vibe with "AmourShipping" nonetheless, they knew that "AmourShipping" wasn't going to go anywhere.
He thinks that Serena "brought new things to the table", all the while already singing Serena's praises, calling her "the best PokéGirl of all time", as well as one of the best characters in the entire franchise. Pretty much blatantly ignoring what was already on the table before Serena even arrived.
He outright thinks that every female companion of Ash's after Misty but prior to Serena is somehow "a copy of Misty". Yeah, sure. Let's just ignore everything else that sets Ash's female companions besides Serena apart from each other, and just boil down their behavior to "Misty-esque". Granted, he does state that they have defining characteristics, such as May becoming a "Performer". (Uhh, dude? Coordinator, while similar, doesn't equal Performer.) But he seems to think they all have the same kind of personality Misty has, which couldn't be any further from the truth.
The attention he calls to in regards to Ash's female companions before Serena being "sassy" and "a jerk to Ash" pretty much shows his entire thought process into making this video. And why he was so reductive towards May, Dawn, and Iris. He's basically telling people here that he projects himself onto Ash, and that he doesn't think that Ash should have to put up with someone who, understandably, calls Ash out on his stupidity on a regular basis. (And in doing so, pretty much missing the point of Ash's character.) Also, was anyone that wasn't a part of the hardcore AniPoké fandom seriously getting tired of a girl being around to call Ash out on his faults? Does this guy genuinely believe that? Last I checked, before the time of the XY anime, they were getting tired of Ash, not his female companions in anything apart from getting sidelined in favor of Ash.
Actually, nobody apart from the periphery demographic actually "fell immediately in love with Serena". And those who did immediately fall in love with her didn't do so because of her personality. It was because of her crush on Ash, and because of marketing. Her actual personality is nothing to sneeze at, and is pretty much not only nothing like her source material counterpart, but also pretty much what you would expect from a character with no depth to her personality beyond "I'm girly because I'm a girl". Also, "kind" and "caring" literally describe ALL of Ash's female companions. Whereas "independent" describes ALL of Ash's female companions EXCEPT Serena. "Kind to everyone" and "not afraid to express how she was feeling" isn't unique to her. (The latter is definitely one of the reasons why Misty is popular. And Serena definitely seemed afraid to express how she's feeling around Ash.) And she's definitely nowhere near the first to be friendly towards everyone and ready to extend a helping hand whenever anyone is in trouble. (Again. That's literally a reason why Misty is popular to begin with.) Not to mention, Serena wasn't bratty? This dude never saw how Serena feels about her mother. And again with the "not a jerk to Ash" bit. Heck, he even brings up when she cares for Ash when he's sick as though it hadn't been done before, when it has by Misty. It's like he doesn't actually give a crap about Serena's actual character, is more interested in the fact that the showrunners made her only purpose on the show to be to make Ash look good, and is only gassing her up both to make her look better than she is, and because he feels like she's the perfect character to make Ash look good; pretty much a regular pastime for guys like him at this point. It also shows a double standard in regards to his thought process. If the female traveling companion of Ash is her own character and made out to be his equal, then anything she does, even if beneficial for Ash, is automatically bad. But if that female traveling companion is instead made specifically to make Ash look good, as though as she were a typical female character in a Shounen anime, then anything that she does, even if it harms Ash in any way, is automatically good.
Also, if things did end up changing for the better in regards to Ash's female companions, they did so in spite of Serena, not because of her. Mallow, Lana, and Lillie, were all pretty much close representations of if not direct translations of their source material counterparts. Chloe, an AniPoké OC, is pretty much the only one that comes after AniPoké Serena who is the most similar to her in terms of characterization. But, despite her doing the similarities she has with Serena better than Serena did, the reaction the periphery demographic actually has towards her (read: Chloe is disliked by the periphery audience for being "too boring", "aimless", "decided upon a goal that defeated the purpose of her character", etc.) only succeeds in showcasing said demographic's hypocrisy towards her.
WRT the unnecessary shade towards Misty's direction, saying that she would not have cared, and that she would have thrown Ash "in the deep end", this literally reinforces what I'm saying about Serena fans thinking that whatever a female traveling companion of Ash's does to Ash in their eyes is automatically bad if she's made out to be his equal and dares to be her own character. Because that's not what Misty would do at all. He completely doesn't understand her character. She would have and has helped Ash whenever he's sick. On that note, what is it with Serena fans and slinging mud at Misty? I swear. They feel threatened by her.
He's right about Serena's "relationship" with Ash being a reason why she's "popular" among the periphery audience. But what he doesn't realize is that the same reason why she's "popular" is also her biggest flaw as a character. Like, he doesn't even question how Serena is able to remember Ash despite it being so long since she supposedly last saw him. (2-5 years before the XY anime, and for a very brief moment at that.) He also ignores that all of the flashbacks to Serena meeting Ash at Oak's Summer Camp are exclusively from Serena's PoV, as well as not questioning how Ash and Serena didn't stay in touch if they supposedly knew each other. And how does he figure that the writers loved Serena when, if they had their way, Serena wouldn't have been given the characterization that she was given? Calling it "wholesome" and "what gave fans diabetes" is just basically talking about the frosting covering the the cake that tastes like stale air. He then rambles on about how Serena sees Ash as a "selfless hero", pretty much talking about Serena's blind worship of him, and downplaying how over-the-top it is compared to the complements Ash got from other girls. Even calling Serena constantly blushing around Ash, and Ash giving her the kind of compliment that he'll give May and Dawn "wholesome" rather than seeing it as the hard-to-watch mess that it is. And again, putting the emphasis on Serena seeing Ash as both "someone who's good at battling", and "someone with a good soul", shows that he doesn't really care about Serena's character, and that he's ignored that other girls have seen Ash as someone with a good soul before without blindly worshipping him. And I struggle to see how anyone can call something so blatantly shipfic-y in an official work "special". He is right about how we're not going to to see something like Ash and Serena again. To which I say: GREAT! "AmourShipping" was a bad idea from the get-go, and should serve as a cautionary tale.
And the last point he tries to make is how the female traveling companions of Ash prior to Serena "didn't really have any much if any impact". Like, what does he mean by this? Story? On Ash? Misty pretty much played a big part in why Ash is as great of a trainer as he is now, and is why he's alive. She was responsible helping Ash discover the entrance to Cinnabar Gym. May was pretty much responsible for picking up the slack whenever Ash wasn't around, and had her own arc. Dawn was chosen by Mesprit to defend Sinnoh. And "mainly used as comedic relief or to fill in that 'girl' spot for the rest of the series"? How does he think that this somehow doesn't apply to Serena? And I don't know how he thinks that Iris is a step in the right direction when, while a breath of fresh air compared to Dawn and May, when she isn't exactly treading new ground. And he's just glazing Serena by saying that she's had a bigger purpose in the story as it progressed when it really wouldn't be different without her as it is with her. And as far as "providing a completely different contrast compared to a Pokémon Trainer" is concerned, Lillie does that job far better due to being her own character and coming across as human as Misty while having her own arc herself, whereas Serena just comes across as no different from a Bond Girl or a one-off "love-interest" for Jim Kirk that isn't named Carol Marcus. He then goes on to praise Showcases, even though they're pretty much a dumbed down Pokémon Contest rip-off. And how does she lose time and time again when her only notable loss is her first ever Showcase, which she didn't really learn anything from? And her impact on Ash's character as a whole is basically non-existent, given that she doesn't even cross Ash's mind in Journeys when he thought about his travels in Kalos, and even almost ran past her like how Shulk ran past Melia. And he fails to realize that Serena actually did to Ash something that would help someone speedrun the ending of a friendship with a depressed person in real life, making his situation about her than about him. Plus, Ash would have gotten out of his funk without her "help". And the entire scene got retconned in Journeys, anyways. And honestly. What "lessons" did she give him that he didn't or shouldn't already know before the XY anime? Her role in helping shape Ash into the trainer who would go on to win the world championship is negligible. And in case he didn't notice, the Ash following the XY anime IS the same Ash from all the way back in Indigo League but grown up mentally, and definitely not due to anything that Serena actually did. Also, Ash learned the lesson that "it's okay to lose" all the way back in Orange Islands, where Serena doesn't even make an appearance. Instead, Ash learned that lesson from LORELEI, and in a later episode, Misty reiterated the lesson that Lorelei taught him. And once again, saying that Serena "beat the jerk and sassy trope" shows his lack of care towards Serena. The fact that he even brings up the "kiss", which even Yajima himself said could have been a whisper in Ash's ear for all he knew, is emblematic of how he really sees Serena.
And really? Does he really have the audacity to ask "how could you not love her"? He's clearly spent no time outside of the echo chamber, and no time in circles where Serena is criticized because of how her character was mishandled. And he definitely spoke to nobody who actually likes Serena as a character that feels like her potential as a character was outright wasted by the direction the showrunners took with her.
As for what I think about Serena's character? I think that she sucks. Period.
I want to hear criticism of her character but hell it's almost an entire thread why Serena had no impact on Ash and nothing about her own impact on her friends Clemont,Bonnie Elle and Marin...
OP forget them
Speaking superficially about her poorly constructed relationship with Grace, no mention of helping Clemont, no mention of Eureka, NO MENTION OF JÉSSICA FROM EPISODE XY008, who had a major impact on Serena's character, No mention a Shaunna, no mention of her growth with Braixen, Panchan or Sylveon, NO mention of Marin and Chespie, no mention of Serena and Yashiro conflict, no mention Amelie and things Serena learned from this victory and Amelie from her defeat
This is not a character analysis from you imo
Also where is Serena's character in that video too, I didn't see anything about her just about what she did for Ash and it's not even that interesting
Yes she has a lot of scenes with her friends but he doesn't show anything...she deserves a better and real analysis
Saying we all love Serena for Amourshipping and not her character is a generalization
I won't get into the issue of being a Misty fan is much more based on biased you are
She is my everting because her character conflict with Grace.
Fine by me if you are fond of Serena, and it has nothing to do with Amourshipping. Besides, I have more reason to hate May and Dawn than I do Serena (I'm more on the true neutral edge with her).
Besides, to be fair, the OP was responding to that video.
I doubt the OP is any better personally bcs all they did is fan the flames. Not to mention I witnessed some of the trolls his friends encounter and fed which to me, it just encourages them to continue. As worst, it just promoted that video so I actually hope you're not familiar with the Streisand effect.
Hey, like I said, I'm overall neutral to Serena (I have far more reason to hate May and Dawn than I do Serena. I prefer Misty and Iris overall, but as far as I'm concerned with Serena, she can go or stay.). The OP may not be fond of how Serena's written, and he's got some valid points there when you think about it, but I myself really don't give a darn about Serena one way or another. Probably the closest I have to an actual complaint about her is that she was a blatant "Remember the New Guy" retcon (last I checked, Ash interacted with Gary and Molly well before he met Misty, much less before Serena debuted despite what she claimed).
Glad you're neutral towards Serena tbh, first and foremost. Second of all, I'm aware there's valid points for Serena's criticism, it's just that by now it's all been overshadowed by all the toxic hate Serena is still getting even now. Which I'm just as guilty with others in regards to that mentality, I encountered them way too often over the course of 10+ years. It's a bit hard to forget even if one moves on from it. By now, I kinda don't like talking about that subject about Serena bcs it just brings out the worst in people. The generalization pokenoire pointed out just doesn't help even those who like Serena for both her character arc and side-story romantic arc. I'm one of them, btw.
Neutrality does not equal objectivity. And Serena hasn't actually been getting "toxic hate" at all. Toxic worship, on the other hand, is a thing that Serena has been getting even now. And it's only natural for that toxic worship to be met with harsh but valid criticism. And I honestly don't think that it's fair for Serena's fans to try to constantly shield Serena herself from criticism and not extend that same shield to any other character when they're faced with unfair derision, especially since they're often the ones who give other characters, namely Misty, Iris, Lillie, Chloe, Goh, and even Leon, unfair derision.
I find this completely debatable, I have seen people humiliating Serena since 2013, even calling her character a bitch, this has only gotten worse over the years, people have used their hatred of Amourshipping to justify calling a ten year old child the worst names possible (looking at how most of these people are either adults or teenagers it's horrible behavior) there is a TOXIC hatred, as well as a toxic adoration from people who do not accept criticism of her character
But like I said, I almost never see any real criticism in her character, other than Showcase being poorly written or boring (those are elements made for Serena's character) I would rather it was just the "free dance apresentations. The video talks but doesn't discuss, and the lack of "being a bratty person" doesn't even exist because she is totally and directly sarcastic when she is with Grace, but as it is not with Ash, they ignored this trait, Furthermore, she hit his hand once because he almost ate the cake that she spent hours getting, she was also about to fight with him because he was not knowing how to talk about racing, Serena even said that he insisted that she teach him in XY007 to XY53, she is with a good heart, so she has her "limits" behavior.
When we look at the big picture, from the Snowbelle arc, Serena had finished the Master Class, Ash can come back and challenge Snowbelle's gym as many times as he wants but Serena can't come back and face Elle again, she simply danced and performed with a broken wrist, she did it with an injured wrist, her last performance was incredible, she herself admits that she doesn't want to be saved by her friends (Slyveon, Clermont, Bonnie, Ash, Panchan), her dream ended at that time, he just threw shit at her because he was frustrated and the show did everything it could to make "Serena apologize to Ash" but he never apologized for ignoring her help, or yell at her "don't understand him enough", He wants to help everyone but ignoring people who just want to get him out of a snowstorm isn't healthy. I don't like how the show only puts Serena in the wrong for throwing balls at him and only she thinks that way and Ash reflects on himself but never on how he yelled at her and threw her journey experience out. That's why to me people don't do good analysis of Serena in this arc because no one really gets how she feels and why. The video isn't even good at expressing this side of the story and doesn't even explain it, it just says that it liked Serena's behavior without even giving a picture of why.
I don't hate any Pokegirls, I can't think of hate when I love every possible character arc. I didn't really like Lillie, I didn't understand her character arc at the beginning so I left SM in the first few episodes and didn't go back until Journeys and saw her arc, it wasn't a hate or antipathy...it was just confusion because she was afraid of Pokemon (I didn't think the show's jokes about that were funny) it didn't make me laugh, Even though the show has a comical tone, I'm happy that when I watched it, it was treated seriously. Now she is becoming one of my favorite characters.
That is a valid point regarding the bit about Serena's Master Class loss, and would definitely give some understandable reasons for her later actions beyond the whole "shadow" bit. And I've also made it repeatedly clear that the whole snowball thing was NOTHING compared to what happened in the ending of Chapter 17 of Love Hina with the scans to prove it (which if you ask me was not only WAY worse, but unlike Serena, I don't think Naru was EVER treated in the wrong despite blatantly being a jerk there even by her usual standards. If anything, Keitaru was treated in the wrong there.). And I won't just defend Serena regarding that bit, I'll even defend Misty as well regarding two similar scenarios (Episode 5, and the aftermath of Ash's loss against Ritchie).
The only Pokegirls I genuinely hated was May and to a lesser degree Dawn, as I felt her character arc was just badly done ultimately (and it didn't help that she reminded me WAY too much of the girls from Love Hina and Princess vs. Princess. Dawn, while an improvement in some respects, was ultimately as bad as May.). Iris I liked largely because of her similarities to Misty. Serena I'm explicitly neutral towards (heck, if anything, I'm more likely to say that her arc was a little bit better written than May's, right down to the ACTUAL reason she left for her journey [not entailing Ash, BTW]. Oh, and as a side note, part of the reason I disliked May was in fact related to what you mentioned about your initial views on Lillie, though at least Lillie had an ACTUAL understandable reason for disliking Pokemon initially unlike May, not to mention did NOT become a trainer until AFTER she came to terms with and conquered that fear.). And Lillie was a definite improvement regarding overall arc compared to May. Don't get me started on my OTP, Misty.
And just as an FYI, I don't even blame Serena for the crap that was being piled disrespectfully onto Misty. If anything, I blame May (especially people like Cybercubed. And Pepsi-al ought to know since he blocked him). That has been going on since I think 2004.
And yeah, I can back up that claim about how people attack Serena for slapping Ash's hand. A guy by the name of Sonic-Kun on Pokecommunity repeatedly shilled for Serena and repeatedly bashed Misty to oblivion, made clear on no uncertain terms that he hated her purely for "abusing" Ash. I got sick and tired of it, and I pointed out a gif of Serena slapping Ash on his hand before trying to tell him to stop bashing Misty. All that did was have him bash Serena with the same energy as Misty, and I eventually had to call HIM out on his "one strike" rule and pointed out that if that were the case, he should have hated Ash for similar stuff long ago.
May's reasoning for disliking Pokemon is perfectly understandable, and actually makes more sense than Lillie not being able to touch Pokemon. May was surrounded by Tentacool got scared by them, and got an aversion. This all generally stopped as she got older, and May doesn't "become a trainer" until after that.
Lillie was already a trainer with Vulpix at the beginning of the series as soon as she could touch it.
Regarding Serena, May's arc is without a doubt done a million times better, as May discovered Contests, engaged with her rivals, and had the most development with them till she left the cast.
