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[imsosocold]

“ Yana said Sebastian sees humans like/as* grasshoppers.” Yeah but how does Sebastian view grasshoppers? (Or anything?)  There are people repulsed by grasshoppers. Those who are fearful.

 Those who are violent towards them, viewing grasshoppers as nothing but pests and even desiring for them to not at all exist.

People who are enthusiasts and even researchers and caretakers.

Those who are just mildly to somewhat intrigued by them.

There are plenty who don’t care about or for grasshoppers at all.  

Hell (heh), who and what does Sebastian define as human?

Are the  supernatural, divine, occult, and otherwise really incapable of dehumanization and human exceptionalism?

To begin with why are we only working with human definition and assumption?

You can't just say stuff Yana that shouldn't be how speaking works.    "Sebastian was never human." According to who. Sebastian? Yourself? Funny, you draw yourself a devil and yet you act as if God.

[ceoandslutler]

sebastian is such a fascinating character because the same things that limit humans (money, class, even physical weakness) limit him as well. he has likes, dislikes, interests, skills... he can smile and frown, he can get offended and he can feel flattered, he can feel uncomfortable and degraded, he can feel pity for others and disgust at cruelty, he can critique society and power structures. where do we draw the line at human and inhuman?

kuroshitsuji makes you think about what makes a human a human. morally, characters like the cultists, kelvin, the doctor characters etc... are far worse than sebastian. i always say this but calling early kuro/anime sebastian evil is like calling cujo evil. sebastian (as far as we know) has never had a contract this long, that means most of his contracts so far were more like "hunts" where he got the soul and left quickly. he never "cultivated" any soul until now and he's living like a person. ciel literally had to tell him to pretend to do things like a human, he said he's never had a friend, he's literally akin an "animal" being domesticated (something something dog/wolf imagery) and physically he's still "alive" and hasn't "died" before the way the other supernatural creatures in the story have.

what's the difference between animal and human? what's the difference between supernatural and human? if reapers and bizarre dolls used to be people but "demons" did not then why does sebastian bleed red? why does he like cats but not dogs? why does he take pleasure in "playing butler", picking flowers or choosing vases? why does experience such fascination at human technology? why does he grimace when he sees children suffering? why does he hold a dead his dead friend and mourn and compliment him? why does he mock the police for caring for the rich more than the poor? why does he want to live not just survive? animals survive but humans want to live - so no, sebastian does not see people as "grasshoppers" in the sense he doesn't care about them but as op said, there are people who put their whole lives into researching these little bugs. someone who is praised as being a hero by grasshoppers and is happy about it surely considers grasshoppers worthwhile.

if you truly want to understand sebastian's character, you shouldn't listen to yana or anyone involved in the creation of kuro, you shouldn't listen to me or anybody on tumblr or online at all. what you should do is pick up the manga and read from the first chapter all the way to now. and then you'll understand sebastian.

[lisyonokk]

I love you all I hope you know that

beautiful minds

[sandumilfshous]

"sebastian and ciel have a strictly parent & child relationship and if you ship them you're a freak!"

girl i'm sorry but if your parental relationship looks like this i am very fucking concerned for you

[masque-de-nightingale]

Even when Sebastian teases Ciel in a mean spirited way, it's more so just scaring him or putting him in some kind of situation (like the snakes in the Circus arc, making him wear a dress even though he already knew Druitt wasn't the Ripper, etc). But as far as I remember (aside from waking him in the Green Witch Arc and the flashbacks in BoA) Sebastian is never physically aggressive with Ciel. He could very easily take his temper out by holding him too harshly, or making his bath too hot again on purpose this time, or anything else. But instead he'll just smile tightly and Maybe do something petty just to freak his master out a little but will otherwise fret over and pamper Ciel like normal. It's like a big tiger playing with a little bunny so it's always careful to keep its claws tucked away.

[icantdothistodaybruh]

"You are my own starfall"

[planetibuprofen]

ppl on tumblr will claim theyre fans of a piece of media when theyre actually fans of a story & characters they made up in their mind very loosely based on said media

[mononokuro]

I've got a cold and so I'm halfheartedly reading a Kuro fic I wouldn't usually read, and it made me realize that I really dislike Sebastian's characterization when fanon makes him more demonic and evil than even Yana does. He's perfect as he is in the manga, anything more reads as tasteless to me tbh. He is a silly goofy demon who enjoys showing off but not bloodbaths. Him daydreaming about maiming and killing Ciel 24/7 isn't (to my knowledge) at all supported by canon, and I believe eating souls is a cleaner process than that anyway.

[ceoandslutler]

both sides of the fandom adore making sebastian scarier and eviler (doesn't feel like a word...) than he really is but i think there's something scary enough about him being surprisingly human. fits the whole theme of "nothing is worse than other people" that yana has repeatedly been telling the audience.

even the first volume of kuro makes you see sebastian (a demon who ultimately wants to consume ciel's soul) as tame and caring in comparison to a mafia kidnapper who wanted to drug 12 year old ciel up and pimp him out to "perverts" like??? the point is sebastian (despite being ciel's eventual demise) is less demonic than some of the human beings (eg the cultists, baron kelvin, the doctors in the story, etc).

yana has intentionally made it so we are left in the dark when it comes to most of the characters' thoughts but at the end of the day, sebs is the main protagonist here and ciel (though also a main character) is more so a character we experience from sebs' perspective and despite calling him a brat, teasing him and even being a bully earlier in the series, he's canonically not that perverse or violent in his thoughts. he roleplays being a butler when nobody's even watching, makes flower arrangements while setting the table, plays with cats and generally he's pretty much a silly guy. the violence he commits is explicitly ordered by ciel, either he goes too far (eg campania bizarre doll massacre) or he tries to minimise the violence if it would have consequences for ciel (eg kelvin manor arson). he is ultimately just a tool, he might "enjoy" killing when ordered to but he doesn't seem to crave it or obsess over it.

at the end of the day, ciel is distrustful of sebastian and calls him a beast and blames him for the viscousness he displays under his own orders, even when sebastian is trying to push ciel down the right path, ciel damns himself by ignoring sebastian's positive guidance by mentioning his demonic nature. there is a resentment bubbling under their banter sometimes, sebastian describes the contract aptly, it's a curse. sebastian cannot be anything more than a beast and ciel must tighten sebastian's collar as to avoid being tricked.

the fandom may characterise sebastian however they want but to me, it's compelling when the narrative itself tries to make you think that maybe ciel is too apprehensive, that maybe sebastian has changed for the better throughout the narrative, maybe he has grown to develop care for humanity. so even if it's sexy to imagine him as a stoic demonic sexyman...

is he actually?

edit: no shade to the fic or any fic writers at all as i have no idea which one op is talking about (romantic or otherwise) but as far as i have seen in analyses both dom top sebastian sbcl shippers and anti shippers (and those that hc dadbastian even!) have got this mistaken idea in their minds that sebs is this sadistic mastermind when he's really not canonically but again go ham and write him how you want this isn't a 'how dare you mischaracterise my blorbo' rb but rather more like a 'i wish people stuck to canon' rb <///3

[damnsuicidepolice]

[keire0]

ants larping as sebastian (mind you) and trying to sound smart/intimidating but sounding like edgy 14 y/o instead is one of the funniest things I've seen on this site

[softslip]

thinking about Sebastian's physical desire as something he had to calibrate just as carefully as his understanding of his master's palate, what temperatures feel comfortable or painful for humans, and how the boy likes to be touched.

ciel doesn't go so far as to order Sebastian to do so, but it only takes one slip up for Sebastian to recognize his own lack. he's not used to maintaining a single form for so long, or being in close proximity to a contractor for so long, and he struggles to understand how this body of his should act and feel to more perfectly serve (& push) his little master.

so he takes to mirroring ciel sometimes, re-doing whatever he did during the day within the small hours of the night — running himself a bath at the temperature that had made the little tyrant sigh instead of scowl; putting on and removing his own uniform slowly and deliberately, just as he dresses his bocchan each morning; rapping himself across the knuckles to confirm that he's not being too sadistic with his tutoring approach of the tiny thing.

he is, of course, already aware of how deep his desire and hunger run for the slip of a boy's aching soul. but maybe he's practiced inhabiting this form for too long — the weeks go by, and eventually one evening he feels that desire physically stirring him for the first time. it moves down through his limbs and gut and cock like a pulsing electric current, charging even the minute hairs on his arms, filling him with a salivating, alien, all-to-human heat that makes him want to touch, to press, to hold, to stroke, to taste, to fuck.

something of this secret wildfire must show on his face; his little lord gives him a suspicious look and demands to know why Sebastian has stopped washing his hair.

sebastian is a consummate professional, of course. he finishes bathing his bocchan with a bland smile, and tucks him into bed.

but that night he spends hours trying to learn how this body wants, and how it expresses desire and pleasure. if he's mindful, there's no reason that wanting to ruin his bocchan on the hot weeping length of his own cock can't be part of the butler aesthetic, right?

[its-dog-star-sirius]

I think Ciel would shyly compliment Sebastian on how handsome he looks in his suit, a small blush creeping across his face as he avoids eye contact. He’d almost whisper it, saying the words while Sebastian is crouched down, fixing Ciel’s bow tie one last time before they leave their suite.

[shalltearphantomhive]

Pocket sized Bocchan 🤏🏻

[lover-and-lover]

yeah this is everything. ciel being concerned (based on his expression) if sebastian is going to enjoy the meal or not is so cute,, and ofc sebastian looks amazing in that panel omg

[eatapplesfromthemiddle]

mister, understand, he's already in a new relationship

[honeybearbloop]

something i’ve noticed about antis in the black butler fandom is that they’ll fight tooth and nail to portray sebaciel shippers as completely and utterly “delusional” (pardon the ableist language, anti catchphrases are full of bigotry that they don’t care about) when we’re really, absolutely, not. now, i’m not saying that everyone needs to ship sebaciel, but it’s gotten to the point that what i do need to say is this; if you deny the obvious homoeroticism between sebastian and ciel as something “parental” or something done only because sebastian wants to consume ciel’s soul, you’re either being deliberately obtuse, or you simply lack reading comprehension.

are there some interactions between them that can be interpreted as parental? yes, of course. however, a few interactions that can possibly be interpreted a certain way does not diminish the fact that there is obvious and intentional homoeroticism between sebastian and ciel, homoeroticism that is directly tied-into the sub-plot of sebastian craving ciel’s soul.

the reason i’m specifically pointing this out is because i’ve had far too many conversations with antis in the black butler fandom who say things like “sebastian only wants ciel’s soul, he just wants to eat him !” or something to that regard, without realising that what they’re saying is the homoeroticism that i’m referring to. the idea of a human-like creature wanting to feast on humans is often a key trope in gothic literature, one that is tied in with another common gothic trope — lust. lust is often featured in gothic literature because it allows people to explore forbidden/dark/taboo desires, whilst using human-like monsters such as vampires, ghosts, and demons like physical manifestations of repressed sexual desire. black butler gives us a creature that literally represents ciel’s forbidden and dark desires being freely expressed, at the cost of his soul being consumed in a manner that’s often described as outright sexual. the way sebastian talks about ciel’s soul is pornographic, and the way ciel so willingly offers himself to sebastian time and time again is the climax of his dark desires being expressed — he’s desired dark things, and now he’s being wholly and completely consumed by the dark.

it seems that “cannibalism is a metaphor for love” is only valid when it doesn’t apply to black butler.

on a not-so a-level-english-literature-student note (and on a note that’s simpler to accommodate antis), every interaction between ciel and sebastian is physically erotic. they touch constantly, they get close to one another, they blush around each other, etc. i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again — every episode of black butler feels like it’s building-up to a sex scene. how they act around each other and how they speak about each other is erotic.

have this six-and-a-half minute video as evidence :3

tldr: you don’t have to ship sebaciel, but by denying the intentional eroticism between them and acting as if sebaciel shippers are “delusional”, all you are doing is being deliberately obtuse and/or exposing your lack of reading comprehension.

[icantdothistodaybruh]

Day 4, soft death

[zamisriza-the-resurrection]

Reblog the 500,000 dollar written check from Seto Kaiba and money will come your way.

[sadakotetsuwan]

Damn right we do cause we a got Seto Kaiba’s routing and account numbers

[keire0]

Tbh I think the sebaciel/cielseba discourse is nonexistent and people just pretend it exists to feel like they’re out-freaking each other. Some weird one sided fujoshi pissing contest

? idk if it's a jab at me, well, unfortunately i thought the same way and i wish you were right, but apparently it's a very big deal for some people. let's just say not everyone is chill with switch and some don't like it at all to the point of getting triggered by it. needless to say for some east asian fans and esp artists it also can be a very big deal and they'd block you for rt/posting switch, which is again not really a problem i guess in case if they don't wanna see that sort of content, so... it is how it is? but tumblr is more chill about switch (which i appreciate) so maybe that's why you think it's non existent