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Kitet (#48749) on Aywas Kitet (#36452) on Flight Rising Kitet on Kaylune Kitet on Furvilla also does PBC and SCC on Aywas, that's probably why you're here todo list PBC 2015 PBC 2016 dooper

[kitetdoespetsites]

[kitetdoespetsites]

FINALLY TOOK THE LOW HANGING FRUIT WITH THAT WIBBIT, EH BOYS???

[kitetdoespetsites]

i’m not gonna say much more on the subject, since from my perspective it’s seemed like the admins have consistently been determined not to do their job correctly (to be fair, aywas seems like it’s inherently impossible to run, but...)

anyway i really enjoy, in the replies to that post, the admin trying to take the higher ground by saying i’m “a third party” who doesn’t own the baby from that breeding

hey brain genius, i’m the owner of the teo from that breeding. i am, in fact, involved in this clownshow, whether i want to be or not.

[kitetdoespetsites]

~*QUALITY☺CONTROL*~

[kandria293]

Pets before they to go to mistakes, pass admin approval

There is a reason, why there is the guide to mistake/not a mistake in the first post, and 99% of the time if it’s something that isn’t a clear mistake (bleeds, stray pixels, ect) it’s going to side with the artist/admin in charge.

[kitetdoespetsites]

Let me make something clear.

A couple years ago, several of my friends had tried doing breedings, and making submissions for the faux box, and would either get rejected or, in the case of the breedings, be told they had to make fixes (almost an entire year after the pet was uploaded and breeding mistake fixes requested, even) for details that don’t even stick out all that much.

And now, what you’re trying to tell ME, is that THIS

is acceptable and doesn’t have any clear mistakes, despite the person requesting the fix spelling out what’s wrong with the markings..

I’d be a little more sympathetic if the artist was a beginner (and they could be, but I don’t know who the artist is) and if they tried to fix the pet, but you’re not even passing it on to them to fix it.

Also? While this is referring to pixellation caused by overlay, pixellation in the image IS LITERALLY THE FIRST LISTED EXAMPLE OF A MISTAKE IN THE FIRST POST OF THE BREEDING THREAD.

Please, PLEASE, address your double standards.

[kitetdoespetsites]

~*QUALITY☺CONTROL*~

[astraflora]

edit commission for detective butt(#1403).

★ design shop ★ aywas designs

[astraflora]

uniques from my mayday sets!

★ aywas designs

[kitetdoespetsites]

............................ it’s me

[kitetdoespetsites]

another wip set I decided to finish and upload.

collab with dee at 4138, they colored the bottom two.

[kitetdoespetsites]

they’re coming

(made an oc from a snoodle set i haven’t even uploaded or finished yet, lads)

[kitetdoespetsites]

once again aywas severely disappoints me by not having a halloween alt-line for the wibbit, which should be the most obvious thing in the world considering it’s a mushroom frog. those two elements are technically already halloweeny, they just have to give it a witch hat or something, but instead they decided to do another reve? whatever

[kitetdoespetsites]

uhhhhhhhh

i’m getting packed up and ready to move to my gf’s place in like 10 days

i need to pack up and ship my computer tomorrow... so i feel like taking a little art vacation and making stuff for fun while i’m stuck on my slow, garbagey old spare computer for the next week.

[wingsofwinter]

hey yo aytag

i was uh… 48669 i think? i used to play aywas a lot in 2015 but um

got banned

for a real dumb reason,

im trying to come back now and i do legitimately feel terrible for the stupid stunts i pulled (catch me apologizing 500000 times lmao) but like…

if me coming back will make ppl uncomfortable or cause drama then i wont. so if you’re specifically uncomfortable with me trying to re-join the site just let me know and uh. well if enough people dont wanna see me i probably wont come back

otherwise im going to go cry at the front steps of the admin’s lair until they let me in //jk

[kitetdoespetsites]

I guess I’ll write this post in multiple sittings so I can make sure I get everything I want to say out.

A lot of people have talked about how slowly some things are ran on Aywas- it really is a problem, and I’ve experienced it myself, but it usually doesn’t bother me so much. Honestly, I’m here to talk about the incredibly obvious favoritism towards particular artists that Aywas displays.

First up, let me talk about my friend, Ringor Mortis. Rin’s body of work on Aywas included some Eggnog breedings, a handful of Faux sets, and a bit of MDT + GCC work. I… haven’t seen anyone complain much about the Fauxes and MDT/GCC stuff, but when they did Eggnogs in late 2015/early 2016, their work got some nasty comments (I can’t find the post, but someone had literally said “[their art is]…downright ugly and repugnant…”). Not only that, but over ten months later, the mods suddenly demanded that Rin do breeding fixes on some of the eggnog babies?

(breeding mistake thread post from 2/18/16) (mod request from 12/30/16)

Special notice to the little note at the end of the mod PM - thanks for telling your artist that someone had outright deleted the eggnog they made, I guess.

Next up, while it’s still maybe a bit fresh on everyone’s minds, I’m gonna remind you guys: you harrassed Lubird out of PBC because they wanted to spend less time on their shading for what it was being paid? That’s really not something worth harrassing someone out of the community for. Come on. Don’t tell artists not to be greedy or selfish or whatever when they’re just trying to make a living and the work they’re doing is objectively being underpaid.

Especially don’t do that if you’re making an exception for the artists you like more. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I didn’t see a SINGLE complaint when Pathos/Snaphound drastically simplified his art style, specifically so he could make PBCs faster? Speaking of which, anyone remember when he made a site kernal and it was flipped the wrong way, and uh, it actually got accepted like that and wasn’t fixed for a little while? That was silly. It’s silly that the staff is so eager to jump on his art like that, while simultaneously dragging their feet on telling Rin that their lineart is too “pixellated”.

I’m also still mad about something regarding Pathos and an aywas skype group a few years ago, but I don’t know that I want to get into the details because I’m willing to bet talking about it would get me in trouble onsite, even though as far as I can tell Pathos never got punished by the site mods for it, gee i wonder why~ (don’t come at me with hot takes about callout culture or anything regarding this, i’m super disinterested in hearing anyone else defend him. i already was personal witness to three users defending him by way of threatening to call out a confused kid when this Event happened, i don’t need anyone else actively proving that they’re garbage.)

There’s also a lot of other random bits of ~drama~ that I’ve seen that, were, never actually resolved in any way… how many times have we seen users being casually racist or ableist, and how many times have we seen someone call them out and then get beat down for “causing drama” or whatever god just writing this paragraph made me really tired, i’m done with this, i’m out.

Anyway my point is, there’s a reason all the good artists who are actually decent people are leaving this community haha

[zephouria]

1. Why do you believe someone SHOULD be punished by Aywas for a difference of opinion, expressed in a chat, not on Aywas? What kind of sense is that? And it has NOTHING to do with ‘favoritism’ because IT WASN’T ON AYWAS.  2. A lot of artists change styles. My own shading took a distinctly different style a couple years ago. So what? If people don’t like it, there are multiple other artists to choose from. That’s one of the neat things about Aywas. No one is forced to choose pathos or Lubird or anyone else for an artist. I do agree that if a style dramatically changes, they should provide new samples, though.  3. Everyone, even popular artists, can find themselves on the bad side of some users. Sometimes it’s personal, they dislike someone for an expressed opinion (for example: attacking an artist not for their art but for an opinion you disagree with). Unfortunately the internet provides a blanket of anonymity that allows some really terrible people to show their colors.  Popular and unpopular artists alike have dealt with harassment at one time or another. And yes, it’s vicious. I’ve gotten messages on tumblr like “you should go kill yourself, your art sucks” from Aywas users.  If the harassment happens outside of Aywas, it’s even harder because Aywas doesn’t have authority outside of Aywas. Unless the hate crosses the line into death threats/something illegal, Tumblr isn’t obligated to turn over info. Even on Aywas, it’s not against the rules to criticise an artist’s art or style, so long as it’s done politely or without crossing into personal insults. Expressing dislike isn’t illegal. Sometimes people quit over things said off site, and it’s not because staff made them quit; sometimes people quit because some people don’t like them, and are loud about proclaiming it, and some people find they don’t want to have to deal with criticism or dislike or outright hate.   4. If something happens on Aywas, staff do not make a habit of dealing with things publically. It is dealt with quietly, privately. Just because you haven’t seen resolution or repercussion doesn’t mean there hasn’t been any. Sometimes even the other person involved won’t be told the outcome of a situation, only that it has been dealt with.  5. Drama happens because people create drama. Drama has the habit of blowing things all out of proportion, and sometimes what actually happened isn’t known, or only one side or a small fraction of it is known. Posts like yours add to the drama and, honestly, mark you as one of the drama-llamas and muckrakers. You’re doing the same thing you accuse other people of. You’re adding to the very problems you claim to hate so much. You’re saying that all the artists still on Aywas - popular, unpopular, new, experienced - are all terrible people.  You’re trying to incite fighting by employing bully tactics and emotional knee-jerk manipulations.  You need to filter out the mud-slinging, inflammatory statements, and bully methods if you want your writing to have a positive impact. If you don’t want a positive impact, then….well, you ARE the problem. 

[kitetdoespetsites]

Sorry for the late reply, I had to keep working on it over a week or so because every time I opened it up, I immediately got tired of thinking about it, but, I’m not really interested in letting this slide either.

1. Okay. Let me start by saying, you’re right. The old drama(warning for discussion of pedophilia) I’d referred to in my OP was something the staff aren’t supposed to do anything about, especially since it took place in a Skype chat and not on-site. I’m just mad over someone’s “opinion” that, depending on what you’re willing to believe, may or may not have pretty harmful consequences to hold. I personally fall on the side of it being a harmful opinion... and since that’s how I view this, it’s not something I’m really willing to “agree to disagree” on.

So, since the staff aren’t supposed to do anything about a user starting an argument about a controversial topic (when there was no clear reason for him to do so btw, which leads me to theorize that he felt the need to get defensive for some reason nobody else will admit), the responsibility then falls to the community. And he was kicked out of that chat, but, that’s all that really happened... aside from the person who posted about it also getting kicked out of that chat.

So, that was two people taking action. Everyone else largely chose to sweep the incident under the rug as much as possible, to the point of threatening a minor into silence for the crime of publicly asking what happened. What was the point of doing this, if you aren’t going to admit that you agree with what Pathos had said? You don’t get to hide behind a barrier of “I don’t agree with them but I’ll defend their right to say it” when you’re only defending one side. (btw, sorry that’s in plain text rather than screencaps, i miiiiiight still be able to get screencaps but i highly doubt it.)

It is my opinion that the community failed to deal with the situation in a mature and responsible manner, and has failed to keep the community safe for minors, and I’m REALLY frustrated that bringing this up is going to make me look like the immature one here. I’m also mad that I’m bringing this up now, rather than when it was relevant, because I was afraid of getting chased out of the community for it, and now you’re going to use this, again, to make me look bad.

(and so it’s clear: I AM aware that the things I’m mad about are mainly the fault of a handful of people, but I know that for every person that has acted in a way that disgusts me, there are multiple other people who silently agree or think this behavior is okay- and I don’t know how many people that is, or who they are. I’m left to believe it could be anyone who hasn’t vocally taken the same stance I have.)

2. yeah, a lot of artists change styles, but my point was that lubird tried to change their style in a small way and got chastised for it. It didn’t even look that different from their “old” style, it was just a shading change.

3-4. Yeah, okay. There’s nothing I can really find wrong with any of this.

5. “Drama happens because people create drama.” Well, yeah. Nobody needed to treat my friends like hot trash, but they did. Pathos didn’t need to jump into a conversation to try to argue in favor of something disgusting, but he did. It wasn’t necessary to threaten an already-scared minor because their behavior was apparently easy to misconstrue as a malicious attack against another artist’s reputation??? BUT YOU GUYS DID IT ANYWAY, and when you create drama, you need to resolve it, or else people who remember will still be mad that nothing got fixed.

I’m just... not interested in leaving quietly. I don’t care about drama or “muckraking” or whatever stupid terms you want to use for it. I care about making sure you guys don’t think I’m okay with what you did. Maybe somebody might learn from this, and that’s the positive impact I want to make... but knowing this community, that probably won’t happen.

In closing, I go back to my original point: you guys treated my friends like garbage while showing a ton of favoritism towards someone who, ~in my opinion~, doesn’t deserve it. And I’m tired of this, but I can’t do anything besides yell about it, so... I’m just done. You can keep Pathos since you like him so much. I don’t want to associate myself with this community anymore, I’m not open for commissions anymore, bye. I should have done this years ago.

[kitetdoespetsites]

I guess I’ll write this post in multiple sittings so I can make sure I get everything I want to say out.

A lot of people have talked about how slowly some things are ran on Aywas- it really is a problem, and I’ve experienced it myself, but it usually doesn’t bother me so much. Honestly, I’m here to talk about the incredibly obvious favoritism towards particular artists that Aywas displays.

First up, let me talk about my friend, Ringor Mortis. Rin’s body of work on Aywas included some Eggnog breedings, a handful of Faux sets, and a bit of MDT + GCC work. I... haven’t seen anyone complain much about the Fauxes and MDT/GCC stuff, but when they did Eggnogs in late 2015/early 2016, their work got some nasty comments (I can’t find the post, but someone had literally said "[their art is]...downright ugly and repugnant..."). Not only that, but over ten months later, the mods suddenly demanded that Rin do breeding fixes on some of the eggnog babies?

(breeding mistake thread post from 2/18/16) (mod request from 12/30/16)

Special notice to the little note at the end of the mod PM - thanks for telling your artist that someone had outright deleted the eggnog they made, I guess.

Next up, while it’s still maybe a bit fresh on everyone’s minds, I’m gonna remind you guys: you harrassed Lubird out of PBC because they wanted to spend less time on their shading for what it was being paid? That’s really not something worth harrassing someone out of the community for. Come on. Don’t tell artists not to be greedy or selfish or whatever when they’re just trying to make a living and the work they’re doing is objectively being underpaid.

Especially don’t do that if you’re making an exception for the artists you like more. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I didn’t see a SINGLE complaint when Pathos/Snaphound drastically simplified his art style, specifically so he could make PBCs faster? Speaking of which, anyone remember when he made a site kernal and it was flipped the wrong way, and uh, it actually got accepted like that and wasn’t fixed for a little while? That was silly. It’s silly that the staff is so eager to jump on his art like that, while simultaneously dragging their feet on telling Rin that their lineart is too “pixellated”.

I’m also still mad about something regarding Pathos and an aywas skype group a few years ago, but I don’t know that I want to get into the details because I’m willing to bet talking about it would get me in trouble onsite, even though as far as I can tell Pathos never got punished by the site mods for it, gee i wonder why~ (don’t come at me with hot takes about callout culture or anything regarding this, i’m super disinterested in hearing anyone else defend him. i already was personal witness to three users defending him by way of threatening to call out a confused kid when this Event happened, i don’t need anyone else actively proving that they’re garbage.)

There’s also a lot of other random bits of ~drama~ that I’ve seen that, were, never actually resolved in any way... how many times have we seen users being casually racist or ableist, and how many times have we seen someone call them out and then get beat down for “causing drama” or whatever god just writing this paragraph made me really tired, i’m done with this, i’m out.

Anyway my point is, there’s a reason all the good artists who are actually decent people are leaving this community haha

[kitetdoespetsites]

if you're leaving the team are you going to quit aywas too?

eh, shrugs. I’ll probably still hang around on the site out of boredom, but I’m tired of doing customs for now. Just consider me closed for commissions indefinitely, I guess.

[kitetdoespetsites]

whoops, sorry for not replying for a bit, i only just noticed.

I’m fine, I guess? I’m not sure if I want to go in-depth on this post that’s just replying to you two, so, I’ll try to keep it short and not get side-tracked.

I’m really really sick of the popularity-contest side effects of how people treat artists in this community. I’m not just mad that some artists get more commissions, and sell more designs than others- I’m mad that they get away with more than others. By now, at least a couple of my friends have left the site/stopped making customs because they’ve been treated like garbage by other users + the mods, and I don’t blame them (my friends, i mean) at all.

This ties strongly into another thing I’m mad about, but I need to save all that for another post- if I start now, I won’t be able to find a good point to stop.