Not Gonna Adult Without A Fight

She/Her. Libra. Walking mid-life crisis. Here to pimp fanfiction and re-blog random shit.

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[youlackconviction]

i wish i didn’t remember that the bottom scene was thor rejecting LOKI, telling him he doesn’t want him around anymore and doesn’t think he’s a good person or believe he’s someone worth persevering with. and that hurt look on LOKI’s face as he absorbs his brother’s words.

[mischief-mage]

It’s tragic, they’re mirroring a time from childhood but for all the wrong reasons, Thor has gone back to being self-absorbed, where he’s the hero of the story and Loki is silent and sidelined. In both of these interactions Thor said something egregious centred around Loki’s identity like he isn’t there, and Loki can only stare at him during both. Thor doesn’t look to see Loki’s reaction, except Thor in the past didn’t know any better, the second time however was purposeful. Young Thor: “I’ll hunt the monsters down and slay them all!”

Thor: “This place is perfect for you. It’s savage, chaotic, lawless. Brother, you’re gonna do great here.”

Loki: “Do you truly think so little of me?”

Thor: “Loki, I thought the world of you. I thought we were gonna fight side by side forever. But at the end of the day, you’re you and I’m me. I don’t know, maybe there’s still good in you. But let’s be honest, our paths diverged a long time ago.”

Speaking of which, what did Thor mean by calling Loki, the well mannered, polished prince “savage” anyway? What gave him the notion to insinuate Loki is uncontrolled, untamed, and monstrous when he’s the one trying to convince Loki to head on into battle. It unintentionally feels like the frost giant bigotry was jumping out when the word itself holds awful connotations and he’s using it describe his frost giant brother as lesser than him.  

[therese-lokidottir]

Well just like the beginning of the film when Thor claims the nine realms are “in chaos” despite that never coming up again. Thor just uses words to make his brother sound bad whether or not even he thinks they’re true is up to interpretation.

Actually….. Did anyone else notice while Loki is smiling Thor is kinda scowly?

[writingpuddle]

the thing about being in a fandom for a long time is you inevitably develop very intense opinions about things you know objectively are absolutely meaningless but nonetheless make you want to gnaw through drywall like a feral cat and there's just nothing you can do about that

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Azeroth by @ima_dreamwalker (link In the comment) (Via)

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[ilike-black-big-cocks-deactivat]

The warrior and the wizard

[dr-platypus-rex-deactivated2025]

Loki, Fandom Demographics, and Abuse

I’m very interested in the intersection between psychology, sociology and the way people interact with popular fiction … and I’ve noticed there’s a definite group that seems almost offended by Loki being a sympathetic character worthy of his own fans. This group seems to hate that Loki’s fans relate to him rather than to the more privileged characters who typify designated MCU heroes, so they abuse/ gaslight Loki fans in effort to police their narrative. The reaction seems so authoritarian (i.e.,“you’re not allowed to like the character I say is the villain! You must only like the powerful warrior/ rich genius/ otherwise top man the story tells you to like!”) that I can’t help but see parallels between this fandom abuse and the abuse/ gaslighting that happens to real-life minorities.

I’d like to know whether the group who abuses Loki and his fans also tends to perpetuate real life out-group hostility (attacking anyone who doesn’t fit their narrative, as demonstrated via xenophobia and transphobia). Both groups try to police the narratives of people who have differing life experiences from those in power, whether through white culture in the USA refusing to see systemic racism, rape culture refusing to believe victims, or feeling entitled to attack fans preferring out-group characters. I want to know whether fandom abuse is an extension of this real-life authoritarian targeting of vulnerable populations.

Iif my guess is correct, the people who gravitate to Loki and his story are the same people who are Othered in real life. Huge numbers of Loki’s fans are women and/or queer. So this narrative schism between Loki fans and Loki abusers is quite possibly a reflection of all our lived experiences–Loki fans are outsiders or powerless Others seeing through the abusive narrative handed down to us by those in power, and rebelling against it by loving the character we see as one of us, and those who try to police this narrative might well be the same privileged abusers trying to quash any differing life stories.

The funny part is that the fandom abuse only makes those of us who are Othered and love Loki double-down on our love for him, because while he’s dealing with his own gaslighting in-universe here we are dealing with more gaslighting due to our connection with his story. It’s like a weird meta where the story gets paralleled in the real world.

There’s much more I want to say— Why Othered groups are drawn to Loki in the first place, what role he fills that other characters like Gamora, Nebula, and Valkyrie (who superficially seem like they should appeal to the same demographics) don’t. How Marvel appears to hate Loki’s popularity, too, considering their treatment of this character contrasted with their enfranchisement of Coulson, the other ascended extra. Perhaps these will be conversations for other posts.

Tagging @mosellegreen for encouraging me to upload this.

[juliabohemian]

I’ve noticed there’s a definite group that seems almost offended by Loki being a sympathetic character worthy of his own fans.

I think this stems from people’s perception of what constitutes a hero, based on the narrative that we’ve been subjected to in the western world. Survey our movies and films. Characters are very polarized. Unlike in real life, in fiction characters are either good or evil. Motives are assigned to their actions. If a villain kills, they murder. If a hero kills, they are just trying to survive. In real life, people do things for a reason. Even harmful things. They do not exist in a vacuum. 

There are people who have bought into what we call the prosperity myth. Which basically states that if you do X, Y and Z, then you deserve success. You deserve to be happy. This is why some people struggle so much to have compassion for the poor, for those behind bars, for addicts. Because they have bought into the notion that these things occur due to a defect of character. If every person who is homeless or in prison or addicted to drugs or alcohol is inherently bad, then it is okay not to help them.

I know what you’re thinking…why would anyone want to do that? The answer is…because it gives us a line of demarcation by which we can define who is and who is not successful. Those who have bought into the polarization of fiction tend to polarize real life as well. They might ask…if everyone is winner, does the concept of winning have any real meaning? These people need some way to separate themselves from others, to be sure that they are valid. In order for them to feel successful, they need for some people to be losers. And in fiction, those losers are the villains.

When we begin humanizing our villains, it initiates a painful identity crisis in those who have invested too strongly in the notion of heroism. Which is why they resist the notion so strongly. More people in the world are like Loki. But for some reason, they are wasting time wishing they could be Thor. There’s nothing wrong with being Thor, per se. But instead we should be teaching people that it’s okay to be Loki too.

[aurorawest]

Do you have any thoughts on loki saying to odin that he feels hes a stolen relic in the first film and compared to in the dark world when he immediately agrees to helping thor. Loki you hypocrite lol jk

When Loki says, "So I am no more than a stolen relic..." it's not because he's like, "Dang Dad, all this time I've been Jotun, how dare you take me away from Jotunheim?! Really wish you hadn't stolen me!" It's because he feels like his identity is being taken away from him. His family isn't his family. He isn't who he's always thought he was. His dad doesn't love him, because Odin isn't really his dad. He's nothing. He's the same as the Casket of Ancient Winters. He's just a thing. This scene isn't about him hating his family—it's about him feeling like he's losing his family, who he loves.

Loki's arc in TDW revolves around his relationships with Frigga and Thor, and having him agree to help Thor to avenge their mother is perfectly aligned with what we see of Loki in Thor 1.

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

It was me it wouldn't be about blaming Loki or making feel ashamed at all. I wouldn't show Frigga's death at all. If I wanted to make a point, I show Loki how clearly unhappy he is doing these bad things. Don't ask him "do you want to be king" when I already know he doesn't. I'd ask him what does he want, like what does he actually want to do to make himself happy.

If I was trying to compassionate I mean that's the kind of stuff I'd say

Yes exactly, if you wanted to be compassionate you'd listen to him, you'd let him define himself. Mobius did the exact opposite: he told him exactly who he was and what to expect out of his life, that there was no point in living it so he should stay in the TVA and be of use.

I swear I will never understand how anyone can look at that and call it therapy...

[therese-lokidottir]

It's such a huge problem when Loki expert is written by someone who doesn't know the first thing about Loki. But people just eat it up. Mobius tells Loki's only purpose is to cause pain and death, that's supposed to be coming from a place understanding and compassion? When Odin says it in The Dark World it's cruel, it's meant to be viewed as cruel.

Mobius works for the bad guys and he forces Loki to work for the bad guys. I don't know what bizarro world so many people are living in in which the bad guys can do cruel things to lead and somehow they're considered good and nice.

[babygirlthor]

Thor: there’s only one way to resolve this... rock paper scissors

Loki: you know you’ll loose

Thor: not this time 😤

Loki: fine. one, two… three

Loki: 🙄

Thor: no! how do you always beat me?

Loki: ..because you always pick scissors

Thor: yes of course I do! that’s my system!

[alwida10]

👀 This is brilliant, @worstloki.

[worstloki]

You gotta note that Thor's strategy is to always pick magic (scissors), while Loki beats that by picking the hammer!

[sixmonthsandgone]

Worlds of Ursula K. Le Guin (2018), dir. Arwen Curry

[worstloki]

Loki: are you even listening to me?!

Thor: yes!

Loki: then what did i JUST say?

Thor: yes!

[agrownupgeekgirl]

To be honest.. if more children were shown from birth that they are loved, cared for, and listened no matter their gender we might not have some of the problems we have now.  

[the-real-seebs]

Parents: Aloof disdain! Shun! Distance!

Also Parents: Why doesn’t my child talk to me?

[notyourusualvet]

You can give your children independence, make them ready to take the world on their own, and yet cuddle them and show them they are loved.

Those two things don’t contradict each other and can, should actually!, very well coexist in any child’s life.

[iwilleatyourenglish]

i don’t usually bully my boyfriend on the internet but

[iwilleatyourenglish]

[iwilleatyourenglish]

yeah i was there

[youlackconviction]

Do you ever think back to the story Thor told in Ragnarok and wonder if he's ever told any other stories about Loki that when you logically analyze them, they really don't make sense? And then you're just suddenly filled with rage at the character and the directors? Or is that just me? (Also, I'm on summer break so be prepared for me to annoy the heck out of you😬)

thor definitely likes to spin things doesn't he?

chris has that in common with him... but to the nth degree.

for instance, chris believes that he's the only star of the asgard franchise, and that tom's contribution as LOKI was incidental.

but i recall SDCC with everyone shouting LOKI! LOKI! LOKI!

and i recall a more recent one with taika, chris, and tessa on stage; and a fan shouting "WHAT ABOUT LOKI?" from the back. sounds to me like LOKI's a pretty important and well-loved character, chris.

the scene in thor dark world with thor on his learning curve at piloting the svartalfar ship was probably the most engaging sibling interaction that we saw in the whole thor franchise. they're both on the same side but seeing things very differently, and have very different approaches.

and even though thor had a plan he didn't share with LOKI which ended up surprising him, it wasn't done to mock LOKI's abilities or slander his character. it was just played out as thor scoring a point over his brother and enjoying the moment. and that's how you do humour.

not just making up some stupid random story on a whim that makes no sense and using it to belittle the person it was about.

(now as to your last remark: if you think you can threaten me lmao with ongoing discussion about LOKI, you really haven't been paying attention... 😉 )

[thoughtkick]

“Writing is something you do alone. It’s a profession for introverts who want to tell you a story but don’t wanna make eye contact while telling it.”

— John Green

[thoughtkick]

“I know I’m not easy to love. I’m a chronic over-thinker. I overreact more than I should…And every once in a while, I might be a little insecure. But if I am in love with you, I can promise you wholeheartedly that you will be loved with so much passion and intensity that you’ll forget what life felt like before I came along. You will always be cared for and you will always have someone in your corner. Maybe I’m not the best at being loved - But I like to think I’m pretty good at loving.”

— Chelsea Carroll

[keremelcream]

that moment when you’re reading a really good book or fanfiction and the realisation hits you like a meteorite that you won’t find another one exactly like that