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[dna-stories]

this isnt a dna story but rather some advice- i dont have my own blog, hope this is ok to submit!

business owners call dnas "friendly fraud." if you google it you'll see how stores try to prevent dnas through softwares that crosscheck your name, billing/shipping address, age of email address, etc. check through reddit for ecommerce owners dealing with chargebacks.

here's a list of protective measures:

1. IDENTITY: use a burner phone number and a dedicated dna email for online shopping accounts. make sure your fake name lines up across these different pieces of "digital id".

2. ONLINE PROTECTION: always block cookies/trackers, i use ublock origin. always use a vpn and a proxy. riseup.net is a good free vpn, i like tor as my browser.

3. PAYMENTS: never use your personal payment method, over time it can get flagged. too many refunds will look sus on paypal, and it could plausibly damage your credit score. use a virtual credit card (ex. koho [canada], privacy [usa], revolut [uk]).

if you are someone that has done multiple dnas, it is VERY LIKELY that your email/ip is implicated in a fraud prevention software database. multiple companies use the same softwares, this is why your orders get cancelled sometimes. change your id often!

dnas may be easy but remember it is fraud which is a crime! act accordingly!

thank you so much to whoever took the time to share these amazing tips. if you have a liftblr, please message me privately so i can give you credit!

excellent advice for newbie and seasoned DNAers.

[dna-stories]

update to submission form

hey guys! i’ve noticed a lot of stores have been changing their policies/getting more difficult over the last few months, so i’m making a small tweak to the submission form.

from now on, it would be helpful if submissions could also include the DATE of the order/refund. that way, it’s easier to assess the relevancy of the information. if you want to see the date any previous ask was posted to this blog, you can click on the ••• in the top right corner of the post and it will tell you.

thanks everyone!

[liftcutie]

@rainylifts this is such a great tip for DNAing!! i didn’t even think of that, but that’s an awesome idea if you can’t find actual refund scam info on a company to find info on how they respond to just… real refunds. thank you so much!!

[liftcutie]

has anyone DNA’d brandy melville i cannot find any experiences online 😗

[liftcutie]

UGH it’s so annoying because searching “brandy scam” brings up a bunch of depop content im just trying to get some free clothes 😔

[liftcutie]

has anyone DNA’d brandy melville i cannot find any experiences online 😗

[liftcutie]

a few summers ago i used the walkout method to steal some cupcakes for my mom’s birthday and posted them on my private story flexing but i left the price sticker on and one of my friends slid up and said “those cupcakes were $5.99…” and i have never been put in my place harder, ever

[liftcutie]

also reminder to submit experiences to @dna-stories !

[liftcutie]

sup liftblr it’s been a hot minute but it’s the christmas season and i will not be paying for christmas gifts now or ever

[liftcutie]

i have this tinfoil hat theory that the whole “barcodes can make you beep” myth is deliberately perpetuated by big companies because they don’t want people to realize how fucking easy it is to shoplift most things

[liftcutie]

be sure to follow @dna-stories and submit your experiences!! you can also submit requests for different stores if you want to know if anyone has DNA’d them!! i really want it to be a useful resource

[liftcutie]

i tried to DNA victoria’s secret and my order was supposed to get here two days ago. it ACTUALLY hasn’t arrived. 😐

[li-ft-ingcat]

DNAing, or scamming!

-DNA: Did not arrive.

It’s really easy to DNA stuff online. Just email or live chat (i prefer livechat) the company and say that you never received the product, and that you were really excited to get it/disappointed it never came.

For Ämäzön, Wälmärt, Ültä, Tärgët, etc, it’s best to have an active account with actual purchases on there. Even after your scam, buy cheap things once in a while so you can scam again. I’ve done that with Tärgët & have scammed over $400 in items on the same account (with like 10 legitimate purchases).

Here’s a list of stores I’ve scammed and their protocol, & the amount I scammed:

-Ämäzön: reshipment or refund ($30) *Blocks your account after 3 consecutive DNAs

~Ä&F: reshipment or refund ($70)

-Ämërïcän Ëäglë: reshipment or refund ($74)

~Äërïë: reshipment or refund ($70)

~ÄlïËxprëss: refund ($50)

~Bärnës & Nöblë: reshipment or refund ($45)

-Bäth & Bödÿ Wörks: reshipment or refund ($70)

-Bëd Bäth & Bëÿönd: reshipment or refund ($25)

-Bëlk: reshipment or refund ($50)

-Bëstbüÿ: reshipment or refund ($60)

~Bödÿ Cändÿ: reshipment or refund ($35)

~Cänväs Dïscöünt: external investigation w/carrier ($12)

-Cär iD: external investigation w/carrier ($60)

-Chëwÿ: reships, you have to return the extra ($30)

~Cölöürpöp: no refund, no return. Only reship ($50)

~DHgätë: refund ($12)

~Dïckïës: reshipment or refund ($30)

-Ëbäy: reshipment or refund ($15)

~Ëssënce Makeup: reshipment or refund ($20)

~ËZLïp: store credit or reshipment ($25)

~FäshïönNövä: makes you file a claim w/carrier ($80)

-Föötlöcker: external investigation w/carrier ($110)

~FrëëPrïnts: reshipment or refund ($12)

~Fëntÿ x Sävägë: store credit only ($60)

~Gärägë: external investigation w/carrier ($40)

~Glössïër: reshipment or refund ($108)

-Güïtär Cëntër: external investigation w/carrier ($50)

-Höllïstër: reshipment or refund ($100)

-Höt Töpïc: external investigation w/carrier ($40)

~Hïbbëtt: file a claim w/ their website, get a refund to paypal OR store credit ($170)

~Hömë Dëpöt: reshipment or refund ($20)

~Husky (car mats): external investigation w/carrier ($115)

-Jöürnëÿs: external investigation w/carrier ($20)

-Köhls: external investigation w/carrier ($40)

-Lüsh: external investigation w/carrier ($40)

-Mäcÿ’s: reshipment or refund ($80) *Blacklists you after 5 consecutive DNAs

~Mïchäëls: reshipment or refund ($30)

-MK: reshipment or refund ($120)

-Näïl Süpplÿ Glämöür: reships, you have to return the extra ($30)

-Nögü: external investigation w/carrier ($50)

-NŸX: reshipment or refund ($25)

~Nïkë: reshipment or refund ($99)

-Öld Nävÿ: reshipment or refund ($70)

-Öttërböx: reships, you have to return the extra ($70)

~Pändörä: external investigation w/carrier ($50)

-Päcsün: reshipment or refund ($40)

-Pëtcö: reshipment or refund ($30)

-Pöpsöckëts: reshipment or refund ($18)

~Pürä Vïdä: reshipment or refund ($47)

-Römwë: reshipment or refund ($45)

-Sällÿs: reshipment or refund ($40)

-Stäcy Läsh Störë: reshipment or refund ($30)

~Sëphörä: reshipment or refund ($90)

~StëälthDäshCäm: external investigation w/carrier ($25) **has terrible customer service

-Snäpfïsh: reshipment or refund ($10)

~Spëncërs: reshipment or refund ($15)

~Shëïn: reshipment or refund ($154)

-Tärtë: reshipment or refund ($25)

-Tärgët: reshipment or refund ($200)

-Ültä: reshipment or refund ($175) *over $100 is an investigation

~Ügg: external investigation w/carrier ($170)

-Wälmärt: reshipment or refund ($30)

~Wïndsör: external investigation w/carrier ($40)

~Vïctörïäs Sëcrët/Pïnk: reshipment or refund ($202)

~Zümïëz: reshipment or refund ($50) *Blacklists you after 2 DNAs

As I always tell you guys, I’ll be updating this list as I scam more stores! If you know any feel free to lmk!

NOTE: new stores have a ~ instead of a - !!!

[liftcutie]

liftblr if i made a blog for people to submit their experiences DNAing different websites, would that be something y’all would be interested in? i feel like it could be a useful resource lol i’m tired of posting “anyone ever DNA ____”

[liftcutie]

i made it! go check out @dna-stories​ and submit your experiences :)

[liftcutie]

DNA: a basic guide

there’s been a lot of new/returning activity in the community, and though i’m somewhat new to DNAing myself, i thought i’d make a very basic overview, since i’ve seen a lot of lifters asking questions about it.

feel free to reblog with additions/your own experiences!

MASSIVE DISCLAIMER:

i am not the authority on anything i’m about to write. i’m a stranger on the internet! as you should with all posts on liftblr, take what i’m about to say with a relative grain of salt, and do your own research and risk assessment.

what does “DNA” mean?

“DNA” stands for “did not arrive.” it’s used as shorthand to describe a common type of online refund fraud.

how does it work/how do i do it?

there’s no special process. it’s relatively simple:

the customer places a legitimate online order for their target item/items. however, when the package arrives, the customer then contacts customer service and claims the parcel didn’t show up in order to receive a fraudulent refund.

unlike shoplifting, with DNAs, a legitimate purchase has to occur in order for the scam to take place.

what are the consequences if i get caught?

this is very important: DNAing, no matter how small the amount, is a type of fraud. based on where you live, the legal penalties for getting caught will vary—it can be difficult to find information online, but i would encourage you to do as much research as possible.

however, even if companies don’t take legal action, refund scamming can result in your account(s) or address being blacklisted from certain online stores. i’ve heard certain companies (amazon) will even ban IPs (which basically means they ban your whole computer, rather than just an account on it). i’ve also heard UPS and other mail carriers can/do ban the addresses of repeat offenders if a suspicious amount of investigations (see below) have been filed.

i personally haven’t heard of anyone experiencing trouble from their bank’s end, but i would stay vigilant nonetheless.

other important terminology

EB: this stands for “empty box.” it’s a variant of DNAing where, instead of claiming the parcel didn’t arrive, you claim the box itself came empty.

partial DNA: partial DNA is when you claim only a portion of your order didn’t arrive. for example, you might say you received a dress you ordered, but were missing a shirt or a pair of shoes—the company then refunds you for only the “missing” items.

investigation: an investigation occurs when the company files a report with the carrier regarding the missing package. this can take days to weeks to process. from what i understand, most of these investigations are either protocol or purely meant to scare you off, and most of the time go absolutely nowhere.

how long should i wait after my order is placed/delivered to contact customer service?

it depends. many people suggest waiting longer so the company is less likely to conduct an investigation (it’s virtually useless after a certain point). however, i’ve also had some successes doing it the day of delivery; use your best judgement.

what do i say to customer service?

act natural! put yourself in the mindset of someone whose order has genuinely failed to show up. be disappointed but polite, and above all firm in what you want. many DNAs are as simple as:

YOU: hello, i placed an order on your site about a week and a half ago. i got an email saying my package was delivered, but i didn’t receive my order.

CS: i’m sorry to hear that. let me check on that for you... i can offer you a reshipment or a refund. which would you prefer?

YOU: a refund, please.

a common mistake is over-explanation. don’t offer more than what customer service asks—an innocent person likely wouldn’t.

i’m not going to go in-depth with methods or “what-ifs” on this post, but there are plenty of great tips on liftblr and reddit. however, if you end up facing suspicion, you will need the ability to stick to a believable story if you want your money back.

what stores can i DNA?

there are lots of stores you can (relatively) safely DNA, with varying degrees of difficulty. from what i’ve read and my own experiences, most people agree that:

shein/romwe*

glossier

lush

hollister

abercrombie

victoria’s secret

are easy places to start and build your confidence. if you’re curious about a certain store, ask around! lots of people are willing to share their experiences. or check out my new blog—@dna-stories!

*shein and romwe will always open an investigation to try and scare you off—however, i have literally never heard of one of these investigations going anywhere. don’t let it intimidate you!

ANOTHER HUGE DISCLAIMER:

just like shoplifting, it’s important to keep greed and recklessness in check. there’s always a risk with DNAing; be smart, and never spend what you can’t afford to lose. if you need that $600 for rent, don’t blow it on bathing suits and bank on your refund—there’s always a chance you won’t get your money back, and you don’t want to accidentally put yourself in a bad position.

where can i find more tips?

reddit has a lot of good information, particularly about amazon, though be mindful of the age of certain threads; some things are bound to outdated. this is a master list of store information i’ve referred to before (but again, take everything with a grain of salt)!

there are also a ton of lifters who post helpful tips on here. i’ve been referring to @heavenlylifter, @urfavoritelifter and @fairylift’s blogs a lot—and many others, too!

i hope this post serves as a helpful intro to DNAing!

stay safe, and happy scamming!

[liftcutie]

liftblr if i made a blog for people to submit their experiences DNAing different websites, would that be something y’all would be interested in? i feel like it could be a useful resource lol i’m tired of posting “anyone ever DNA ____”

[honey-heist]

[u-n-d-e-a-d-s-deactivated202204]

u guys be having whole premonitions of getting caught and then b like woah thats crazy better go to kòhls 😐