The Grillout

A place to post some longform thoughts on animation and all my other hyperfixations for others to (hopefully) enjoy.

[literalgrill]

Cooking up something VERY fun here...

[hotpinkcollar]

how is holly staying cool for the summer?

"most of the time i gotta keep the windows in the van rolled down cuz the AC is busted to shit. It's Not THAT bad while we're actually moving, but it's like sittin in an oven when it's parked."

"I got this trick i can do sometimes though! If i can park near an outlet, i can set up this portable AC i found and make the van nice and chilly!"

[sindar-princeling]

I understand where people who say "at least rop is getting more people into tolkien" are coming from but unfortunately my tolkien-obsessed brain can only reply with a very purist "what's the point if it'll only make them enter tolkien's world with a ton of misconceptions and wrong perceptions of many themes, events and characters therefore not really getting them into tolkien but someone else's warped version of tolkien; the only way to get into tolkien is to acually READ him"

it's no-one's fault that it happens and nothing can be done about BUT ☝️ at least it also makes me so very painfully frustrated

[sindar-princeling]

it's like.

can I do anything about the fact that due to rop some people actually believe that galadriel really had some weird thing going on with sauron and that the "stronger than the foundations of the earth" speech comes from him?

no!

is it a grave problem that harms any real people?

no!

does it make me want to start biting into furniture and smashing my head into a wall anyway??

take a wild guess!!

[fernwah-funzone]

wait you understand that kinks are ok because they're fantasies that make you happy right? you all get that you don't need to have trauma for your kinks to be okay? right? like none of you think i witnessed a tragic accident on the pool toy assembly line right?

[fernwah-funzone]

like "some people work through their personal issues with kink" was a good first step for some of the class that were struggling but i think now we're ready for "things that don't hurt anyone and make people happy are okay even if you personally think it's icky"

[curlicuecal]

[misunderstandings-georg]

BECAUSE ROUGE THE BAT DRAWN AS WIDE AS SHE IS TALL WITH TITS TO MATCH KILLED MY GRANDMA, OKAY?

[nonbinary-jakey]

taking away a clowngirl's makeup telling her she doesn't have to be a clown she can just be a normal silly billy and correcting her any time she tries to juggle until she gets sadder and sadder and eventually stops talking altogether and just communicating via gestures and realizing with horror you've created a mimegirl

[nonbinary-jakey]

you get it

[frottinq]

beautiful drawing I saw in the women's bathroom last night at the bar

[cairt]

On the tennis court! 白いテニスコートに !

This is of course based off that one Audra McDonald/Anne Hathaway Twelvth Night picture, but tennis

[cairt]

Drawing in PC paintbrush is cool, I'm having a lot of fun with dithering and learning how to use the program. Some of the tools make me think about modern art programs and the desire to emulate physical media, when PC paintbrush in all its 1984 neon glory fully embraces aspects of the media that are difficult in physical media. (THERE'S EVEN A MOVE, GROW, AND FLIP CAPABILITIES) (i do not know how to make those work.)

[cairt]

I am working on the art for a VN that my girlfriend is writing and programming for the yuri games jam. The really neat thing though is that I'm drawing in a predecessor to MS paint from the 80s.

There's some features that exist in this that are incredibly unique and I honestly love playing around with textures in PC Paintbrush.

[thowawayuntilfurthernotice]

Said it a year ago and I’ll say it again.

Pirate all your favorite shows, movies and games while you still have the chance.

Oh, and never stop supporting physical media.

[midnightnautilus]

whistles

trips

Oh no!! I just tripped Over this rock in The Garden! They really need to put up some kind of Wall… and I dropped my Link all over the ground…

I really need To Watch where I’m going, geez…

[monmatch]

I saw so many cool Miku designs this weeks, I wanted to contribute something extremely stupid lol

[cartoonsinthemorning]

Since you guys liked Marcille as Kermit that much, it seems fitting to thank you for my 12k milestone with MORE Kercille. And this time, Miss Falin is also here.

Thank you so much again everybody! MWAH 💗

[weepingwitheredwillows]

Some pink bitch + face he makes after he bites the fuck out of you

[irmatheshepherd]

1 year in college can really change someone

[disneyfemslashcomics]

Isabela: Ariel! That's -

(a weed)

Ariel: 😀

Isabela: Pretty 😍 ✨️ 💖

[jacarandaaaas]

this art is v cute but ariel is probably in mirabels class lol

[elsaxmerida]

There's a whole ass sequel with Ariel and her 12 year old daughter. She gets married at the end of the first movie to an adult man. Would it be helpful to you if every crossover artist put their intended ages for the characters in the comments?

[jacarandaaaas]

I’ll leave it at that.

[magentacravat]

Damn, it's 2024 and some people just can't simply think of those ✨️fiction✨️ characters can be aged up or aged down, it's up to us to represent it, but SURELY we know if you still choose to think one of them is underage and the other is an adult, that is just your problem i guess lol

Of course it depends on the context either. If we read history, it's understandable 16 years old girl like Merida being forced to get married to a more adult person, but that's another topic.

But, ANYWAY, it's okay to use our ✨️imagination✨️ and not become an asshole to people. Just enjoy the art thinking them being aged up, like if you want to bring CANON into this, what would Ariel doing in the Madrigal house!? Or how even Isabella happened to meet Ariel? Like, it's all suppose to be a WHAT IF scenario here. What if they met each other? What if they are smitten to each other? What if THEIR AGE ARE ADULTS?

Like.... Why is it suddenly become a problem!? Duh.

Some people just looove to stay inside the bubble.

[jacarandaaaas]

if u have to age up a minor to make the ship not inappropriate maybe just maybe that’s a sign you shouldn’t be shipping it💀

[magentacravat]

No lah

The logic is, if the character being aged up to an adult age, then they are an adult, not a minor anymore.

Although it is not wrong if you still perceipt that since the character is well known widely having certain age, but you don't have to come to a post that clearly not your taste, not have any intention into ped#philia act, then choose to berating people there that way.

It is your own perception and your problem alone. Added it's a fandom, fictional characters, not real life people like your sister.

Unless the post is indeed intended into ped#phile way, then it's understandable you act that way.

[magentacravat]

@jacarandaaaas Also an example why it shouldn't be a problem for them being aged up because they are fictional, just look at the the difference age animation Ariel and LA Ariel being portrayed.

Og Ariel is a 16 years old, while LA Ariel around 18 above years old, basically they can change her age because she is a fiction and you can choose any LEGAL age you want to put them into.

If Disney COULD change the age, aging them up, why not the fandom?

[jacarandaaaas]

because it’s disneys property and they aged her up due to backlash from the original💀 not to mention the live action took a few creative liberties in other ways. not the same as let me take this child (animated ariel is 16) and age her up so I can draw ship art with this grown woman💀 im using my sister as an example because that’s how insane the age gap is💀 isabela has a sister who is 15 aka one year younger than ariel. How do y’all not find that weird. “if they’re aged up they’re an adult” no they’re not💀 sorry I think it’s weird if people see child characters and immediately think I need to age them up so I can put them in a relationship with grown adults. That’s proshipping and that’s weird.

[magentacravat]

- There you can get the logic of them aging her up, why you can't just accept when fandom did the same? It's the same character and same topic after all.

- The page that poat it literally have disney femslash as it's name, literally meams female x female pairing. It is so weird that you think weird "Ooowh you age her up so she can be paired to a grown woman" If yes then what!? What's wrong with it? You'd rather people still view her as underage? See, that's your own mind that thinking that way.

- Yeah, and i pointed out your sister is not fiction, therefore it is not ethical to draw her aging up kissing a woman as your age. Because she is a real human being.

- Again, it is fandom, honey. It's why you need imagination and let yourself loose a bit in it. That's why i said try to think what if this what if that, so you can't stuck in your bubble and then got mad when you suddenly notice that turns out there are people that have not the same view as you.

Aging up a character doesn't mean it is pro-shipping. They literally aging her up so it won't be problematic. The counter part is, it is you that actually act like you are doing the pro-shipping, because you keep thinking the suppose to aged-up character still underage.

Honestly most response seems fine with the drawing, simply though them as the same age, thinking "Ah it's cute" and then went on with their day. It's been like this since years ago in Disney Femslash community. If it is not your cup of tea, then why you have to be here? I don't understand. You can just.... Ignore it.

[jacarandaaaas]

it is proshipping and it’s weird sorry just cause it’s fiction doesn’t make it not weird😭 y’all trying to justify this is nasty. again live action ariel is not the same character they changed a lot abt the story it’s not the same💀 maybe use live action ariel since ur bringing her up so much.

[magentacravat]

It is not pro-shipping. The only one making it problematic is you, so you are the one that doing proshipping.

Nobody convince you to ship a canon underage character to canon legal age character.

LA Ariel is not well known and doesn't live long enough in the fandom.

Also since this is your logic, considering you are shipping Moabel, and new Moana movie is coming up. If in there Moana being aged up by Disney being a legal age, and Mirabel still in her 16 years old, does it means Moabel will eventually turned out as proshipping in your case as well? And thus make your posts and fanarts about them considered problematic as well.

[jacarandaaaas]

not u trying to bring moabel into this😭 firstly that’s been a ship since 2022 where the only moana media was the FIRST MOVIE where she is canonically 16 YEARS OLD. just like how in encanto mirabel is canonically 15 YEARS OLD. It means both of them are teenagers from their first appearance. If u can point me to when isabela was portrayed as a 16 year old in encanto that would be great but from my understanding her first appearance is as mirabels oldest sister who is canonically 21 YEARS OLD. And if you read my posts which you clearly haven’t you would know I have said I do NOT ship moana 2 moana with mirabel.

but since u wanna be dense here’s the definition of proship

yes a 16 year old with a 21 year old is a problematic age difference congrats ur a proshipper!

[magentacravat]

But, i am just saying 😭😅

What will you do then? Like now Elsa officially canon 24 and Anna officially canon 21. When the new Moana movie coming out, and she is ndeed got aged-up by Disney in there, it will be her canon actual age too. If you keeping in that point of view, then your Moabel ship eventually become proship as you put it.... Right? 🥲

(They still cute tho, keeps drawing them)

You need to put those tags in the post, cause when people reblogged, the tags not included.

I know what proshipping means. That is why aging up character, making both around the same age, is not categorized as proshipping.

However, pushing the narrative that one of them still underage, is proshipping (Like what you are doing now).

[jacarandaaaas]

that is not proshipping💀 again like I’ve said there canon media where moana is a TEENAGE GIRL therefore shipping her with another TEENAGE GIRL is not proshipping 😭 the issue wirh Isa x Ariel is the fact isabela is an adult in ALL encanto media. ariels sequel is barely acknowledges by Disney themselves and the general public is unaware of it. and if you read I did put it in the tags! I also put it in an Instagram caption right when the movie was announced (which was only a few months ago)

moana is canonically 16 in the first moana and like I’ve said all my art w her and mirabel is set during that! moana 2 doesn’t change the fact she’s 16 in the first move just like how httyd first shows hiccup as a teen. it is absolutely NOT the same to take a character who is always PORTRAYED as a child by the literal company and shipping her with a character who’s first appearance and ONLY appearance is as an adult woman.

[literalgrill]

"and the general public is unaware of it" So uh, I hate to burst your bubble here, but The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea sold SIX MILLION UNITS the year it was released ALONE. It was so popular it got re-released in 2008 AND in a combo set in 2013. It's SOUNDTRACK ALONE was so popular it was released TWICE. It's recommended to watch by every single person watching any Little Mermaid on Disney plus. Oh yeah, it's promoted by the company itself? On their own platform? The actors of the live action remake LITERALLY TALKED ABOUT THE SECOND MOVIE. It's so relevant they've considered REMAKING IT. Just because YOU aren't informed about something doesn't mean the general public doesn't know about it. I think folks who are so into Disney they're looking up shipping art online MIGHT be aware of the second movie existing. Ahem... Anyways... Ignoring that utterly incorrect knowledge of Disney history... I have questions for you. Why are you instantly assuming some sort of bad intent when coming across this piece of art? If you don't want folks "attacking" you, why are you going out and attacking others? If you don't want "pro shippers" interacting with you, why are you going out of your way to interact with people you consider as such? A lot of people enjoyed this art because they approached it in good faith. You don't HAVE to assume there's some sort of ill intent with age gaps in an art piece. It is in fact, it's perfectly reasonable to assume random strangers are not evil and trying to do some sort of secret grooming behavior! Perhaps someone drew a cute piece with lesbians and posted it on the internet not thinking they'd need to put in a ton of details because it's just cute fucking art of a character NOT EVEN IN HER CANON DRESS so who the fuck knows which movie she'd be from, and figured people could get the context that it's just supposed to be cute lesbians together. They could be aged up, they could be aged DOWN, who cares? The context is just wholesome lesbian romance. Their age was not a focus of the picture, the storyline of the mini comic here, NOTHING.

It's YOU who decided something was wrong here. You made this "problematic" in your own mind, not the artist. This is a perfectly harmless piece of art. But hey, you don't like it? Some folks have the maturity to simply scroll past something if they dislike it because it's not hurting anyone in any capacity. You broke that social contract of just living and letting live, and now seem surprised that perfectly kind and normal folks who don't see bogey men around every corner are taking the time to educate you not only on having good manners, but on how a concept called lateral violence works. Here, take a look at this very famous Tumblr post to learn more. Do not assume you know of "all the fandom" just because you hang out in one tiny portion of it. This artist has been consuming Disney media since before you were alive. Maybe, just maybe, they have experience with a far wider breadth and scope of Disney fandom than you do. P.S. Internalized homophobia is a thing. We can hurt people within our own communities and have prejudices against people in them despite being a part of said communities. People aren't saying you're homophobic just because you have an issue with age gaps. People are raising their eyebrows because you decided you couldn't keep your fingers off a keyboard long enough to leave a perfectly kind artist who has dedicated a blog to Disney femslash spaces for OVER A DECADE alone who posted a cute picture. Are you going this hard against folks drawing canon age gap weirdness of Ariel and Eric? If not, that's the point people are trying to get across. If you're only being weird to someone making a LESBIAN piece of art... Maybe consider why you're doing that. @jacarandaaaas

[chobasen]

[literalgrill]

Spread The Word: Da Share Z0ne Is DONE

As of today we'd better not be sharing their posts around anymore and getting the word out that the guy running it now is trash. Cuz do you support trans people? Do you hate the idea of a trans person being cheated out of her money from a highly successful Kickstarter and being chased out of the group she basically did all the work to make succeed? Well guess what happened with the funny skeleton meme makers? Below is a Google Doc from the person ran out of the group explaining all the details. You can see how things are unfolding on Xitter too if you want. Fuck Drew, fuck Da Share Z0ne, we aren't supporting that shiz anymore! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QBwTeS3c5v1CJYQys68wBECrexEh4I1yWWtWT93ilWM/preview