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The Question: 'Does God Exists?' Sparked a conversation between an Atheist and a Christian; Can you help improve their discourse?
Following is an extract of the conversation Between a Christian and an Atheist that sprang from the post:
'Answered by a Tornado,' Bank Brand New - God Evidence,
then, entitled -
Does God Exist?
What is requested of you is to improve it - Either the questions or the answers.
Christian:
Have you now found the answers?
Atheist:
No, which is part of why I'm now an atheist. All my praying, crying, and begging were unanswered.
Christian:
Can you share with me some of those stories and their foolishness?
Atheist:
I said ridiculousness, not foolishness, but with that set-aside, I'd say pretty much everything is utterly ridiculous, and not the kind of wisdom one would expect to come from a god.
I'll just grab a few examples from the start of Genesis:
1. The order of creation makes no sense from a scientific standpoint.
God spent six days creating the earth and everything on it, and one day making the sun, moon, and as an afterthought, THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE.
2. Speaking of the sun and the moon, the moon is supposed to "rule the night", but it spends half its time, deserted from its post, wandering around in the daytime.
3. Adam's 930 years that he supposedly lived are not NEARLY enough time for him to come up with names for all the animals.
4. The tree of knowledge is a completely unnecessary, and guaranteed, recipe for disaster. Clearly, God intended for things to go the way they did.
5. After killing Abel, Cain is worried about other people who will kill him... What other people? His parents, the only other people on earth?
6. The creation story implies that the entire universe is made especially for us, yet 99,99999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe will kill us instantly. Even our precious earth is constantly trying to kill us.
7. Even if viewed as allegory, the entire Genesis story is utter rubbish.
Christians Responds:
1. The order of creation makes no sense from a scientific standpoint.
God spent six days creating the earth and everything on it, and one day making the sun, moon, and as an afterthought, THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE.
=> What is wrong with that?
If you decided to write a story today, wouldn't you choose how you would do it?
And would science defy its creator?
Beware: I Timothy 6:20; Colossian 2:11
2. Speaking of the sun and the moon, the moon is supposed to "rule the night", but it spends half its time, deserted from its post, wandering around in the daytime.
=> Do you know how it was in the middle beginning?
Since the fall, things have changed. Isn't it obvious that things have been changing?
Regardless, he is called God, remember. Your intelligence falls far short of His; only with humility, patience, and right standing, can you begin to understand things.
know that the Bible is not like any other book it is spiritual. And it is spiritually understood - I Corinthians 1:6- 16.
3. Adam's 930 years that he supposedly lived are not NEARLY enough time for him to come up with names for all the animals that would've existed.
=> Is that impossible for God to enable?
He can will this earth to disintegrate in a day, and it would be so. Wouldn't it?
If he can count your hair, can't he will you to? Luke 12:7.
4. The tree of knowledge is a completely unnecessary, and guaranteed, recipe for disaster. Clearly, God intended for things to go the way they did.
=> If you don't understand, don't deem it unnecessary; can a thing created raise its finger against the creator that it knows better?
Did God intend for things to be the way they went?
You are right? 'He is before all things.' Colossians 1:17.
But has he had a plan?
Of course, he has had. If you humble yourself, you will be satisfied.
5. After killing Abel, Cain is worried about other people who will kill him... What other people? His parents, the only other people on earth?
=> Even a human writer, does not reveal everything to the reader, but he leaves some things to be figured out by the readers.
In this case, we can conclude he was worried because he wasn't the only one, or so he thought.
But when you follow, you can't fail to see that they were others, and Cain goes away, and in Verse 17 he marries. Where did the wife come from?
When You write a story or act out a movie mostly the light is on a certain people, and we thus enjoy without complaining about the presence of others, we assume they are there, or we don't care; we are concerned about the point that the writer is trying to drive.
If he was to include every detail like some novelist, the whole earth couldn't contain the volume. But that which is of help for now he has revealed.
6. The creation story implies that the entire universe is made especially for us, yet 99,99999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe will kill us instantly. Even our precious earth is constantly trying to kill us.
=> When you look at yourself: Are you perfect?
Therefore, your dwelling is imperfect - and you know how it all came to this. Rom 4:12
And it is all part of God's plan.
Only when you will humble yourself, will you see. But as long as you exalt yourself, you will be brought low.
Prov 29:23; 1 Peter 5:5.
7. Even if viewed as allegory, the entire Genesis story is utter rubbish.
=> That is like an ant raising its finger against human: 'I can fight you.' 1 Corinthian 2:14
In all your reading the Bible, remember, God is not trying to convince you whether he exists or not; if that is your stance as you read the Bible, it will take you nowhere. God knows as you know that you know that God exists. He has put it in you and around you. And you have no excuse. Romans 1:18-32.
Atheist Responds:
'You know that God exists...'
Aaand there's the conversation stopper. I had to rewrite this reply in order to not lose my temper, so I will just reply with this:
I have nothing more to say to you.
Christian:
Thank you, that was nice of you.
It was nice talking to you. I will remember you in my prayers.
In case you change your mind, I have a message of salvation for you.
To the Reader:
Can you help improve the questions or the answers, and thus grant an opportunity for people to learn?
And remember to read: 'Anwered by a Tornado,' Bank Brand New - God Evidence.
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