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when the people in your fandom are better at your damn job than you are..
The Hays Code and Stranger Things
finished stranger things 5 vol 2 earlier and as a history and film/tv nerd i want to say some things; i feel like we as a society discredit the negative impact the hays code really did have on film/television and just society as a whole
for those unfamiliar because apparently there are a lot of people not aware of it: the hays code was this set of moral censorship rules hollywood followed from like the 1930s–60s that said what you were allowed to show in film/tv, and it was extremely conservative and homophobic. like it literally banned “sexual perversion” which was code for gay people existing on screen. if queer characters showed up at all they had to be jokes, villains, tragic, or punished by the narrative. no happy endings, no mutual love, no fulfillment whatsofuckingever. it had a bunch of other stupid rules too like nothing beyond simple kissing, no childbirth, no interracial relationships, clergy members couldn’t be villains/criminals, and more
even though the code technically ended decades ago, it absolutely fried the industry’s brain. studios learned “queer love = risky, controversial, financially dangerous” and that mindset just never fully left. so instead of outright bans you get shit like we do today. hesitation. subtext. plausible deniability. shows getting CANCELLED. executives all wanting to keep one foot in progress and one foot in conservative markets for $$$ which is why we’re STILL seeing this pattern of queer characters being allowed to feel but not be chosen, to confess but not be reciprocated, allowed to exist but not disrupt the “safe” status quo couple. in the context of stranger things, this is mileven
instead of committing, creators place failsafes in being vague so they are able to back out at the last second so no one can accuse them of being “too queer” or the opposite — queerbaiting. they balance on this grossly exploitative tightrope where queer audiences are emotionally invested and teased at possibilities of something but are never actually rewarded, while straight audiences are reassured nothing “fundamental” will “change”
and that’s where byler lives. in the margins, the implication, in the looks, the framing, the music cues, the fucking clothing colors, songs, the pining, the repeated emotional intimacy that is absolutely not accidental, the literal decade worth of carefully cultivating this dynamic… will’s feelings are canon, but they’re framed as quiet, internal, potentially unrequited, and from the very start of the show — literally episode one — it’s treated as something he’s expected to survive. the show still can’t even bring itself to say the words gay or lesbian out loud for christ’s sake. everything has to be implied, softened, or outsourced to metaphor. and yes sure it’s the 80s and this was reagan’s america, but i promise you people were still using those words, not just insults/slurs like fairy and fag like the show has in fact used. they can say it once. it won’t ruin the realism in a show about alternate dimensions, monsters, and magic, i promise.
and continuing on: will’s coming out itself is so loaded in a way that makes my skin crawl and i’ve already seen many others that feel the same. yes, a lot of what he said was so beautiful and aching and true, but the circumstances of it? just gross. he is forced into it by the manipulation of a monster that has been psychologically and physically and sexually abusing him since he was literally only twelve. a monster that specifically targets his sense of being “different,” of being “wrong”. difference = danger. difference = shame. and this really shows that his coming out isn’t intimate or chosen. it happens in front of a dozen people, including people he barely knows (murray, vickie, kali), under extreme emotional distress because he’s scared vecna will continue to use it against him and use visions of his loved ones reacting negatively against him. that’s not just unfortunate writing, that’s reflective of a long history of queer narratives where our truth is something dragged out of us under pressure instead of something we get to own
so when will calls mike “his tammy”, it doesn’t feel like positive storytelling, it feels like a slap on the wrist. like them telling us that rejection is essential for growth as if he hasn’t gone through enough growth already and has never ever had things go right for him. mike isn’t a prize to win, no, but it feels like the narrative is just saying “don’t worry, this love is small, survivable, one-sided. it’s just a little crush!” (one that’s lasted years and several seasons) which is ridiculous.
letting it be mutual and directing a new light on the emotional spine of the show and letting it challenge the “safe” pairing that’s been marketed and monetized for years? that’s their biggest fear
and the thing that really kills me is that they know what they’re doing. again: the zoom-ins, the lingering looks, gentle touches, interview upon interview of them telling us it would be worth it in the end and we would be happy etc. and guess what: queer baiting us. because yes, if this isn’t resolved in the final episode that is exactly what it will be. for the last ten years they have refrained from saying byler isn’t endgame which they could’ve done with simple “it’s unrequited” or what fucking ever, which they’ve had ample opportunity to do. instead they stayed vague with their answers and saying “we would see” pretty much, and being all suspicious, baiting us into sticking around by teasing us with hope and staying on that aforementioned tightrope.
so yeah. the hays code is dead, but its ghost is absolutely haunting us all including in stranger things, and in the way queer love is often framed as tragic, internal, or formative but never fulfilled. in the way the show wants credit for representation without taking the risk of commitment, and the way it flinches right at the moment where queerness would stop being subtext and start being text
and i think that’s why this hurts so much. because it’s not just about byler. it’s about watching the same pattern repeat over and over again but in different ways and pretending it’s progress when it’s really a standstill
like clearly the industry still flinches at the idea of letting a queer boy get the boy, even/especially when it’s central to the plot and drawn out for so long.
tldr: the hays code is dead but its vibes are alive and well, and i fear we’re all paying for it with our sanity rn
I'll probably never be able to watch this show again. It just fucking hurts.
I feel so fucking bad for Will it makes me want to cry.
He was a queer child in the 80s stuck in a homophobic town with a homophobic and abusive father. He had to listen to them call him disgusting names and insults that he probably didn't even understand yet. Then he gets kidnapped and SAed which leads to him almost dying. Once he's back everyone treats him like a freak and he's still affected by his kidnapping and literally possessed. When he's finally able to go back to how things were before everyone sidelines him for their relationships that he just can't have. We find out that he's hopelessly in love with his best friend and he loves him so much that he even tries to fix Mike's failing relationship with his own feelings even if it breaks his heart. But then suddenly he thinks his best friend might like him back and allows himself to be a little hopeful just for that hope to be taken away again. He has to reduce his own feelings and tell himself that his love for Mike was just a little crush and nothing more. Oh, and he's still being tortured without a rest. And to tie it all off, he is FORCED to come out to everyone, forced to share something so deeply personal that he's struggled with his whole life.
Yeah, what a beautiful queer story that is. You've outdone yourselves, duffer brothers.
And it isn't only about byler, it's about the cycle constantly repeating. This could have been revolutionary for queer representation in TV and media but it again lead to nothing. Same old "it's okay to be gay" without giving the queer character a satisfying, fulfilling love interest that they deserve.
And I don't even want to talk about how much Will has suffered throughout the whole show for it to just end with him being accepted for who he is and something he has no control over. Especially when all of the straight characters have love interests and relationships that have been in development FOR YEARS. Just makes me feel so fucking bad for Will.
We did everything they told us to do. Pay attention to detail, believe that nothing is a coincidence and that everything is there for a reason. Oh, but I guess except when it's about queer characters and stories. None of it fucking matters then.
So, s3 and s4 mike wheeler was just a homophobic asshole to his best fucking friend of 10 years. And they had Will desperately try to fix that godawful straight relationship. Holy character assassination. Great. Fucking great.
If you as a straight person think that you wrote a good queer story when actual queer people fucking hate it then I don't know what to fucking tell you anymore.
I just hate that queer people have to experience this kind of heartbreak because of something that straight people think is a right thing to do. I can't believe they thought this would be an uplifting queer story to tell. Yeah, you may never find love but you're gay and that's okay. Laughable.
god they're so fucking stupid. should have maybe told us this in 2022 cowards. (click pic to see it in full)
its more of an important message?? that "oh, queer people, sometimes loving someone wont actually work out okay and u may just need to accept that" AND THAT ONLY HAPPENS TO THE QUEER CHARACTER ON THE SHOW. real nice, real nice.
Just fucking vile. Waited all these years to say this right now when everyone is devastated. Fuck you
I just find it CRAZY that there wasn't a SINGLE mike and will heart to heart conversation this volume.. or even just a conversation.. not a single one. That's what you get when you try to cram everything into 3 episodes.
Had the most restless sleep of my life and woke up with a pit in my stomach good morning everyone
okay enough dooming GOOD NIGHT
like, byler aside, this volume was just…
I’m just angry at myself for believing for so long that 2 straight white men could write a beautiful queer love story. Just so stupid. All this for nothing. I can’t even look at what other people are saying cuz it just hurts.
so mike wheeler really is just a poorly written character and the duffers are cowards. gonna need some time to process everything. fucking hell.