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Listen up Dumb Dumb…
I POST WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT! AND THE MORE YOU KEEP COMING AT ME, THE MORE IM GONNA START POSTING, SO HAVE AT IT YOU MENTALLY UNWELL SELF-RIGHTEOUS RETARD!
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A young and handsome 23 year old on the force.
My response to the worthless troll earlier is to post more! So suck it up loser! 🤣
Why don’t you go ahead and eat a dick you fat bitch. For I will post whatever the fuck I want!
@iv4n-ali3n = a fat ugly bitch.
Donovan and Francoise’s wedding (2004) – He is 36-37 years old and she is 30 years old.
Francoise holding onto little Tyler (2008) – A mother determined to protect her son from the dangers of himself and from a life of pain… at any cost.
My position on Tyler.
So people have been messaging me and questioning my position on Tyler and whether I am a Weyler etc.
For those who are interested in hearing… Yes, I am a Tyler fan and I do support Weyler.
Tyler is a deeply tragic character who has been through hell and back pretty much his whole life so far. The neglect from his grieving father, the torture, grooming and manipulation from Thornhill, the forced unlocking of his Hyde etc.
All of these things are enough for him to qualify as a tragic character. And I enjoy the banter and chemistry between him and Wednesday. Wavier is dead and Wenclair isn’t really happening.
That being all said, my main issue is the hypocrisy of the Weyler fandom in its treatment of both Tyler and Francoise. I know I have tendency to lose my temper and take my frustrations out on here, but that’s because the selectiveness of the Weyler fandom’s empathy has genuinely appalled me. I have put down the reasons why Tyler is a tragic and abused character above, but there is also a compelling case to show that Francoise is just as equally tragic if not more. Abused by her dad, unintentionally unlocked, separated from your family, locked away and tortured and experimented on for many years etc.
Yet the reactions to both characters are completely different. For Tyler, it’s “he was groomed”, “he was tortured”, “Thornhill controlled him”. And yes this is all very much true, but with Francoise, it’s “she’s a bad mother”, “she slapped him”, “she tried to take his power without consent”, and never “she was locked away and tortured for years”, or “she’s been through pain and fear her whole life”.
Francoise did questionable things to try and save Tyler from a life of suffering and premature death, but Tyler is also someone who expressed glee for the murders he committed, yet we don’t hold his actions against him. It’s only her actions that we bring up and judge. It’s why I point this out as internalized sexism, because boys like Tyler and even Isaac get glossed over because they’re young and attractive, whereas a middle aged woman like Francoise get discarded as the second coming of Satan. Not even Donovan gets this much level of hate.
Is it really hard for fellow Weylers to see who this woman truly is? A broken and abused woman who was never given a chance to live a life of peace. Saying she deserves hell like Poot did is absolutely disgusting and I make no apologies for my words towards her. When it comes to Weylers unfairly hating on her, it just proves how overly sensitive and fragile many people (presumably in Gen Z) have become.
I’m just really so tired and angry with the Francoise bashing. At this point, the Weylers I’ve been arguing with are no better than the Wenclairs who’ve been unfairly treating Tyler badly without understanding him for the past three years.
The audacity to suggest that Wednesday would even consider #tylergalpin as a romantic partner after what he did to Xavier...
Look at her eyes glistening with tears...
Tyler butchered 6 people, but what he did to Xavier pissed her off the most.
This is why #WednesdaySeason2 is not canon. 😏
Wednesday is simply not the same person she was in season 1. None of the characters are.
yeah…um. Read the season 1 script snippets that’s been going out honey (by someone whom I’m currently having beef with btw) it proves that Xavier was never really the serious love interest. Tyler was. It’s always been Tyler. So choke on that you desperate bitter loser 🤣
My position on Tyler.
So people have been messaging me and questioning my position on Tyler and whether I am a Weyler etc.
For those who are interested in hearing… Yes, I am a Tyler fan and I do support Weyler.
Tyler is a deeply tragic character who has been through hell and back pretty much his whole life so far. The neglect from his grieving father, the torture, grooming and manipulation from Thornhill, the forced unlocking of his Hyde etc.
All of these things are enough for him to qualify as a tragic character. And I enjoy the banter and chemistry between him and Wednesday. Wavier is dead and Wenclair isn’t really happening.
That being all said, my main issue is the hypocrisy of the Weyler fandom in its treatment of both Tyler and Francoise. I know I have tendency to lose my temper and take my frustrations out on here, but that’s because the selectiveness of the Weyler fandom’s empathy has genuinely appalled me. I have put down the reasons why Tyler is a tragic and abused character above, but there is also a compelling case to show that Francoise is just as equally tragic if not more. Abused by her dad, unintentionally unlocked, separated from your family, locked away and tortured and experimented on for many years etc.
Yet the reactions to both characters are completely different. For Tyler, it’s “he was groomed”, “he was tortured”, “Thornhill controlled him”. And yes this is all very much true, but with Francoise, it’s “she’s a bad mother”, “she slapped him”, “she tried to take his power without consent”, and never “she was locked away and tortured for years”, or “she’s been through pain and fear her whole life”.
Francoise did questionable things to try and save Tyler from a life of suffering and premature death, but Tyler is also someone who expressed glee for the murders he committed, yet we don’t hold his actions against him. It’s only her actions that we bring up and judge. It’s why I point this out as internalized sexism, because boys like Tyler and even Isaac get glossed over because they’re young and attractive, whereas a middle aged woman like Francoise get discarded as the second coming of Satan. Not even Donovan gets this much level of hate.
Is it really hard for fellow Weylers to see who this woman truly is? A broken and abused woman who was never given a chance to live a life of peace. Saying she deserves hell like Poot did is absolutely disgusting and I make no apologies for my words towards her. When it comes to Weylers unfairly hating on her, it just proves how overly sensitive and fragile many people (presumably in Gen Z) have become.
I’m just really so tired and angry with the Francoise bashing. At this point, the Weylers I’ve been arguing with are no better than the Wenclairs who’ve been unfairly treating Tyler badly without understanding him for the past three years.
Another dumbass take by a hypocritical Weyler!
Was scrolling through X when i unfortunately came across this post by Poo (seen below posting a gif of herself btw)
Once again, I find myself fuming at the media illiteracy and the hypocrisy of the Weyler fandom with its usual Francoise bashing arguments.
“oH sHE slaPPed TYLer!” “Oh ShE’S a TerriBLe MoTHEr!”
Once again, terribly flawed arguments from incompetent and media illiterate people. Let me break it down for you.
“Forcibly mastered Tyler.”
Are you fucking kidding me you dumb bitch?! Are you seriously forgetting that Tyler would have died if he didn’t have a master? You would have been fine if Wednesday became his master, but god forbid it’s the woman who gave fucking birth to him! She didn’t torture or forcibly inject him with chemicals like Laurel did, Francoise became his master because… TYLER WOULD HAVE DIED!!! Are you secretly admitting you would have like to see Tyler die? Because that would be really terrible for you a Weyler fan to admit.
“Tried to remove Tyler’s Hyde without his consent.”
Not the first time I’ve had to deal with this argument before. Are you forgetting dummy that Hyde transformations take a toll on a person? That it cuts years off their life and causes them to die young? Cause that’s what will happen to Tyler sweetie if he keeps transforming. Again, is that what you really want for Tyler? For him to die? Francoise was trying to spare Tyler from the life of PAIN that she obviously went through – you know being locked up, tortured and used as a lab rat for many years – that sort of thing. Because that’s what being a Hyde did for Francoise! Not that it would it matter to a media illiterate such as yourself Poo because you’ve already casted pre-judgement without fully grasping what someone has been through in life. Plus, Tyler is still young and hasn’t grasped the dangers of being a Hyde. He’s selfishly clinging onto power because of the false premise he has in his head that it gives him freedom. But how the hell does dying young give you freedom huh? How does being an outcast rejected and feared the rest of the community mean freedom? To hell with his CoNSenT, he needs to learn that his power comes with fatal consequences, not just for others, but for himself.
You say she’s a victim, but yet you fail to understand what being secretly locked up in an asylum for years and years does to you! Newsflash dumbass, she mentally regressed and was damaged from the years of abuse inflicted on her by Willow Hill! Do Weylers seriously expect a person to be “okay” and “functioning” after enduring that? And plus, Tyler unfairly snapped at her also! In Season 1, he was always going on about how his dad never talked about her. Tyler missed her and wanted her back in his life, and as soon as she’s back, he gets all bratty when he sees a chain on his ankle and she tries to explain that it’s actually for his own good?!
The way people like you are willing to defend and understand Tyler because of all the trauma and abuse he’s been through, but not apply the same empathy or understanding to his mother when she arguably has endured much worse, proves to me that there is an underlying problem of misogyny in the Weyler fandom. This is further proven by all the love and fangirling that Isaac, the true villain of the season gets. If you’re a 17 year old boy with curls and gorgeous looks, you’ll have an army of pick me girls ready to defend and support you, but if you’re a woman in your late 40s, bitch can go to hell I suppose.
“She was selfish, manipulative.”
Another fucking dumb take! Francoise was selfish because she wanted to save her son’s life?! 🤡🤣 Yeah, so selfish of a mother to sacrifice her one last chance at being normal, her one last chance at survival, to make sure that her only child and son doesn’t end up suffering the way she did. If you have a problem with how she did it, fine that’s understandable, but her motivations were also understandable, but I guess for a media illiterate such as yourself, not so much.
“She can quite literally go to hell for that alone.”
Ah yes, a woman who never asked to have her Hyde unlocked, who lived in fear her whole life of becoming a dangerous killing machine monster, was locked away and experimented on for many years against her will while missing out on her son’s childhood etc, and has had life thrown everything back in her face constantly…deserves to die.
Oh and the account at the bottom, Dumbass Dee. She chained him up to keep him from acting volatile and TRANSFORMING! What else was she supposed to do.
Another dumbass take by a hypocritical Weyler!
Was scrolling through X when i unfortunately came across this post by Poo (seen below posting a gif of herself btw)
Once again, I find myself fuming at the media illiteracy and the hypocrisy of the Weyler fandom with its usual Francoise bashing arguments.
“oH sHE slaPPed TYLer!” “Oh ShE’S a TerriBLe MoTHEr!”
Once again, terribly flawed arguments from incompetent and media illiterate people. Let me break it down for you.
“Forcibly mastered Tyler.”
Are you fucking kidding me you dumb bitch?! Are you seriously forgetting that Tyler would have died if he didn’t have a master? You would have been fine if Wednesday became his master, but god forbid it’s the woman who gave fucking birth to him! She didn’t torture or forcibly inject him with chemicals like Laurel did, Francoise became his master because… TYLER WOULD HAVE DIED!!! Are you secretly admitting you would have like to see Tyler die? Because that would be really terrible for you a Weyler fan to admit.
“Tried to remove Tyler’s Hyde without his consent.”
Not the first time I’ve had to deal with this argument before. Are you forgetting dummy that Hyde transformations take a toll on a person? That it cuts years off their life and causes them to die young? Cause that’s what will happen to Tyler sweetie if he keeps transforming. Again, is that what you really want for Tyler? For him to die? Francoise was trying to spare Tyler from the life of PAIN that she obviously went through – you know being locked up, tortured and used as a lab rat for many years – that sort of thing. Because that’s what being a Hyde did for Francoise! Not that it would it matter to a media illiterate such as yourself Poo because you’ve already casted pre-judgement without fully grasping what someone has been through in life. Plus, Tyler is still young and hasn’t grasped the dangers of being a Hyde. He’s selfishly clinging onto power because of the false premise he has in his head that it gives him freedom. But how the hell does dying young give you freedom huh? How does being an outcast rejected and feared the rest of the community mean freedom? To hell with his CoNSenT, he needs to learn that his power comes with fatal consequences, not just for others, but for himself.
You say she’s a victim, but yet you fail to understand what being secretly locked up in an asylum for years and years does to you! Newsflash dumbass, she mentally regressed and was damaged from the years of abuse inflicted on her by Willow Hill! Do Weylers seriously expect a person to be “okay” and “functioning” after enduring that? And plus, Tyler unfairly snapped at her also! In Season 1, he was always going on about how his dad never talked about her. Tyler missed her and wanted her back in his life, and as soon as she’s back, he gets all bratty when he sees a chain on his ankle and she tries to explain that it’s actually for his own good?!
The way people like you are willing to defend and understand Tyler because of all the trauma and abuse he’s been through, but not apply the same empathy or understanding to his mother when she arguably has endured much worse, proves to me that there is an underlying problem of misogyny in the Weyler fandom. This is further proven by all the love and fangirling that Isaac, the true villain of the season gets. If you’re a 17 year old boy with curls and gorgeous looks, you’ll have an army of pick me girls ready to defend and support you, but if you’re a woman in your late 40s, bitch can go to hell I suppose.
“She was selfish, manipulative.”
Another fucking dumb take! Francoise was selfish because she wanted to save her son’s life?! 🤡🤣 Yeah, so selfish of a mother to sacrifice her one last chance at survival, make sure that her only child and son doesn’t end up suffering the way she did. If you have a problem with how she did it, fine that’s understandable, but her motivations were also understandable, but I guess for a media illiterate such as yourself, not so much.
“She can quite literally go to hell for that alone.”
Ah yes, a woman who never asked to have her Hyde unlocked, who lived in fear her whole life of becoming a dangerous killing machine monster, was locked away and experimented on for many years against her will while missing out on her son’s childhood etc, and has had life thrown everything back in her face constantly…deserves to die.
Oh and the account at the bottom, Dumbass Dee. She chained him up to keep him from acting volatile and TRANSFORMING! What else was she supposed to do.
Francoise Galpin’s fashion
She loves her floral dresses! 💜
Francoise Night — 1990
I edited a photo of Kristen Smith, the actress who plays a young Francoise in the series, by coloring her eyes brown, making her face smoother, and then putting her through an AI filter which makes it come across as a school style portrait photo. You’ll notice that in this version, she looks more closer to Frances O’Connor.
You’ve also been on my blocked list for sometime you sexist hypocrite
Darklina’s flawed arguments and approach.
So this loser, who accuses me of being a false fan of Tyler, blocks me because she cannot handle what’s right in front of her.
All because of ONE SLAP, that suddenly condemns Francoise to being labeled “abusive” and “bad” etc? Tyler DID kill people. Yes Laurel was in control, but he still killed them. I’m not saying this to hate on him, cause I don’t, but it’s pretty stupid for you to say that all Laurel did all of those murders. Hell, out of the trio of Tyler, Francoise and Isaac, Francoise is the only who doesn’t have a trail of bodies behind her!
I DID NOT say that it was misogyny to say that Francoise was a bad mother. My point was that it was misogynistic to be all against Francoise and point out the things she did wrong, but completely gloss over Tyler and the stuff he did. My point in all of this is that there is a massive amount of hypocrisy and selective empathy when it comes to the fandom (most particularly the Weyler fandom’s) selective treatment of both Tyler and Francoise.
Both are equally tragic and have been through hell etc (although Francoise can be argued to have suffered slightly more than Tyler, but that’s another discussion), and both have made questionable to bad decisions, but the fandom clearly has a preference for being more sympathetic and kinder towards Tyler rather than Francoise. Why? Because there is definitely a misogynistic trope within fandoms that dislike women who are flawed. And I say this because there’s even posts that have more love and affection towards Isaac of all people, and he’s definitely someone who truly is a heartless villain (literally since he doesn’t have a real heart).
There’s a lot of talk about the trauma Tyler suffered from the hands of Laurel and how that was reason for what he did in season 1, but what about the trauma that Francoise went through at the hands of Willow Hill, Stonehearst and Judy? Does that not count? Does that not apply here? Does it only apply to boys who look like eye candy here, because that definitely feeds into my view of the underlying sexism and possibly ageism exists in the fandom here.
And my view on Hydes is this… if each transformation fits your life shorter and shorter and that you will die an early age, what’s the point of clinging onto that power. Francoise wanted to live and experience her life without the massive burden her condition carried. A condition that caused her to placed in Willow Hill and taken away from Tyler in the first place. And so far there is little to no information on Hydes, how would you expect Francoise to go out and find it when she’s literally coughing up blood and dying?! Huh?!
Tyler is still young here and doesn’t understand the consequences that his ability brings. Maybe Francoise was somewhat in the extreme by trying to take it away from him, but Tyler is also being naive here by thinking that his power gives him freedom when it doesn’t. He’s not fully grasping how to better use his power or understanding the fatal life risk that it poses to him. Even the writers of the show haven’t disputed this yet. They say that because Francoise is older, she knows the dangers of this power.
Sorry, but if I saw my child repeatedly doing something that I know was life threatening to their body, I wouldn’t stand by and let it happen, I would try to stop them, regardless if they would feel upset that I didn’t respect their autonomy and consent. I’d rather they resent me now than in the future where they could blame me for not trying to protect and save them. As a parent, you do everything you can to protect your child, not only from harm, but from the flaws of themselves. Would you rather Francoise be like Hester? Someone who preferred to stand back and let her kids figure out their powers for themselves? Look at what happened to Ophelia! She went mad with her power.
Francoise haters need to watch this video. It’s important to understand how misogynistic and hypocritical you all truly are when it comes to your views between Tyler and Francoise
“Oh Tyler was abused and traumatized! You don’t understand him!” They all say. Yeah I agree with you!
But guess what?! So was his mother! But because she doesn’t fit the attractive bad boy trope, you all dismiss her as this evil abusive woman instead of someone who’s been victimized, abused and tortured and imprisoned for how many goddamn years!
“ShE SLappED HiM!” GET OVER IT! He was being ungrateful here! Tyler needed a master otherwise he would have died! If Wednesday had become his master, you would have all rejoiced and celebrated! And I guarantee you that she would have treated Tyler a lot worse as payback for one upping her last season and make him her bitch of sorts. You guys would have probably all stared with googly eyes and say that she still secretly “loves him”.
“SHe TriED TO takE HiS POWer witHoUT HiS cONsent!” She was trying to save him from himself! From the life of pain, abuse and imprisonment that she went through for so many years! If you see that your kid has something or is doing something that’s very much harmful, destructive and life threatening to their own body and health, would you just let it happen? FUCK NO! You do everything you can as a parent to stop it! You don’t just leave it be simply because your kid “DOesn’T GiVE ConSENT!” 🤡. Tyler is still young here and hasn’t fully grasped the dangerous consequences that his power holds. In a way, he’s being selfish here by clinging onto power and naively thinking that it’s “freedom” when it isn’t. Being a Hyde means death, imprisonment or servitude.
“ShE WAs SeLFiSH!” How?! Her entire motivation has been saving Tyler! It’s always been about saving Tyler! She’s willing to sacrifice her one last chance at normalcy, the one last chance she has at prolonging the life that was stolen from her, so that her son can live without suffering like she did.
“ShE SHowed MOrE affECTION tO IsAAC ThAN TYLer! The truth is that she struggled to connect with him because she was taken away from him. Her time with him was stolen by the Stonehearsts who kept her locked away and tortured for many years! Tyler had grown up and changed from the last time she saw him. Isaac on the other hand still looked the same from over thirty years ago and therefore hadn’t changed. He was still the same person as he was before. The only person who knew how much his sister had suffered when no one else seemed to care or bother much in trying to help her.
“shE NeVER TOLd DOnoVan ABOUt beiNG a HYdE! SHe DiDn’T SeeM CoNCERned THat he diEd !” Keep in mind that Donovan wasn’t exactly friendly or trusting of outcasts. Francoise probably believed that Donovan would have left her, giving her another straight up rejection. And there was a two week gap between episode 4 and 5, that’s plenty of time to find out your husband is dead and think about and grieve him while also thinking about where your long lost son is!
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…who are nothing more than sexist hypocrites by having sympathy and defending Tyler, who’s arguably done much worse than what his mother ever did.
All of you are idiots who hate on her for being “abusive” or a “terrible mother” should shut the fuck up, and go back to hating actual terrible people like Thornhill, like Isaac, like Crackstone! Not an emotionally scarred woman who’s been through hell!
I've literally never made a negative post about Françoise except for that one time about the slap she gave to Tyler, and that was an emotional reaction right after I'd seen the scene. Aside from that, I've never made a hateful post about that character. And I've always perfectly understood her situation, too. Even Isaac—I have a nuanced opinion about him. What the hell?!
But I repeat, nothing justifies the slap. Nothing. That's overreaction. You don't hit your child. That's all there is to it.
The only point I've ever actually addressed in this list by the way is the fact that she's trying to strip him of his Hyde identity. But not in the sense that I don't understand Françoise's reasoning. On the contrary, I understand it.
But that doesn't mean a good intention is a good thing.
Stripping Tyler of his Hyde identity is not, and never has been, the right thing to do in a show that aims to accept outcasts, especially Hydes, who are its ultimate representatives. Want making them normal, rather than helping them find a way to survive as they are without a master, is not a good thing in the show's narrative context.
That's literally the only reason we're against Françoise's actions for the most. At least for me. Not because we don't understand her. And this also still remains an action against Tyler's autonomy.
Like I don’t I have your receipts of your hypocrisy 🙄
The way you people are willing to be like all sympathetic and understanding and defensive of Tyler when it comes to his actions — “OH hE WaS TRAumaTIZEd!” “LAuREL toRtuRED HiM!” “It’S NoT hIs faULt!” But yet do a complete 180 on his mouth on his mother “oH SHe SLappED HiM, thAt’s AbuSE!” “BoDILY AUtonOMY MatTERs!”. At this point you’re exactly like the Wenclairs who you’ve been fighting against for the past three years, unfairly being against and hating someone without being sympathetic and understanding of what she went through in life.
The slap? Again! GET THE FUCK OVER IT! For years now he resented his dad for not talking about his mother, missed her so much, and finally had another chance to be with her, only for him to suddenly get all snappy with her simply because of a chain on his ankle?! She just saved his life and he’s clearly being ungrateful here!
And again! She was trying to save him from himself! From the life of pain, abuse and imprisonment that she went through for so many years! If you see that your kid has something or is doing something that’s very much harmful, destructive and life threatening to their own body and health, would you just let it happen? FUCK NO! You do everything you can as a parent to stop it! You don’t just leave it be simply because your kid “DOesn’T GiVE ConSENT!” 🤡. Tyler is still young here and hasn’t fully grasped the dangerous consequences that his power holds. In a way, he’s being selfish here by clinging onto power and naively thinking that it’s “freedom” when it isn’t. Being a Hyde means death, imprisonment or servitude. Bodily Autonomy as you so idiotically have to point out with the whole faux consent concept, does not apply to Tyler here. Especially when he’s someone who has abused his power and is clearly being selfish by clinging onto it.
Your views and response here clearly prove that the fandom is filled with selective empathizers, himpathisers, and pretty much internal misogynists. Because Francoise is not the attractive boy with a past, she doesn’t fit the sympathy card in the fandom, does she? Proving that because this is your line of thinking, it makes your opinion completely irrelevant and meaningless.
The first one is literally a post I just made AFTER quickly skimming through the episodes while I was still emotional. Literally, it's a post I made within an hour of the last four episodes being released. And the rest, I didn't write. They're reblogs. 🤨😑
The fact is, Françoise is a bad mother, with understandable circumstances. But she's still a bad mother. Tyler's family is a mess. That's a fact.
Nothing justified Françoise hitting Tyler. That's not how you discipline a child.
And even if Françoise's intention behind the machine was noble, it still wasn't right.
It seems like with your logic, a parent can do whatever they want to their child as long as they have good intentions... wtf?
So I conclude that you're watching a show about outcasts and thinking that the ultimate outcasts should... become normal? 🤡
@ginnycampbellbower88
Once again your hypocrisy is on full display here. Tyler was kidnapped, chained up and held by Laurel for what? A year? She drugged him, tortured him etc. Francoise was held prisoner in a secret program for 15 years, tortured and experimented on, meaning she endured suffering for much longer than Tyler ever did, yet you’re willing to still defend and explain him, despite the fact that nothing can really justify him killing those people in season 1, but when it comes to Francoise, your reaction is completely different. Tyler is fine to get away with what he did and have support from the fandom, but no not his mother. It proves once again that you represent a fandom that will use trauma to defend men when they do something questionable or bad, but not when it comes to women, or at least older women. Hell even Isaac gets more sympathy and love, and he is definitely the true remorseless, sadistic person here. If you were consistent in your views, we wouldn’t be having this argument. That there is perhaps my main problem with you and many people in the Wyler fandom which I’ve slightly become disillusioned with, your inconsistency and hypocrisy.
Uh... wtf? Tyler was just following orders in season 1? "Nothing justifies him killing people." LAUREL KILLED THOSE PEOPLE. She just used Tyler to do it. (Tyler fan my ass...) Damn, did I deny Francoise's suffering? No. But the fact is, she's a bad mother. It sounds like you're taking that fact as an insult. She's a bad mother but because of the shitty life she's lived. That's a fact. But now you're trying to compare the suffering of the mother and the son? Wtf? You're scaring me. The difference between Tyler in season 1 is that he had no autonomy. And he don't have that either in season 2. Not really. Francoise has it in season 2. And I've never made direct posts about Françoise to criticize her?! Like I said two of what of screen was not my words but reblog. And the recap of mine was when I don't even really seen the episodes! You're too weird.
@ginnycampbellbower88
“Just following orders” 😭 where in world history have we heard that phrase before?
You say you don’t deny that she suffered, but yet when it comes to Tyler and Francoise, you’re only willing to apply that suffering onto mainly Tyler, with Francoise, you just simply acknowledge and gloss over it as if it’s not a defense like you would do for Tyler. You seem like the person who would defend and sympathize with Donovan more, are you? Cause I reckon man failed Tyler on a much more larger scale since he’s was actually there in Tyler’s life while Francoise was taken from him.
And yes I am comparing the suffering they both endured. I am not denying that Tyler suffered greatly, but his mother was locked away and used as a torture subject / lab experiment against her will for 15 freakin years! Tyler only endured what he did with Laurel for a few months to a year. That there proves that his mother suffered a lot more than her son ever did.
You say I’m weird, I say that you’re too hypocritical and possibly misogynist.
Francoise haters need to watch this video. It’s important to understand how misogynistic and hypocritical you all truly are when it comes to your views between Tyler and Francoise
“Oh Tyler was abused and traumatized! You don’t understand him!” They all say. Yeah I agree with you!
But guess what?! So was his mother! But because she doesn’t fit the attractive bad boy trope, you all dismiss her as this evil abusive woman instead of someone who’s been victimized, abused and tortured and imprisoned for how many goddamn years!
“ShE SLappED HiM!” GET OVER IT! He was being ungrateful here! Tyler needed a master otherwise he would have died! If Wednesday had become his master, you would have all rejoiced and celebrated! And I guarantee you that she would have treated Tyler a lot worse as payback for one upping her last season and make him her bitch of sorts. You guys would have probably all stared with googly eyes and say that she still secretly “loves him”.
“SHe TriED TO takE HiS POWer witHoUT HiS cONsent!” She was trying to save him from himself! From the life of pain, abuse and imprisonment that she went through for so many years! If you see that your kid has something or is doing something that’s very much harmful, destructive and life threatening to their own body and health, would you just let it happen? FUCK NO! You do everything you can as a parent to stop it! You don’t just leave it be simply because your kid “DOesn’T GiVE ConSENT!” 🤡. Tyler is still young here and hasn’t fully grasped the dangerous consequences that his power holds. In a way, he’s being selfish here by clinging onto power and naively thinking that it’s “freedom” when it isn’t. Being a Hyde means death, imprisonment or servitude.
“ShE WAs SeLFiSH!” How?! Her entire motivation has been saving Tyler! It’s always been about saving Tyler! She’s willing to sacrifice her one last chance at normalcy, the one last chance she has at prolonging the life that was stolen from her, so that her son can live without suffering like she did.
“ShE SHowed MOrE affECTION tO IsAAC ThAN TYLer! The truth is that she struggled to connect with him because she was taken away from him. Her time with him was stolen by the Stonehearsts who kept her locked away and tortured for many years! Tyler had grown up and changed from the last time she saw him. Isaac on the other hand still looked the same from over thirty years ago and therefore hadn’t changed. He was still the same person as he was before. The only person who knew how much his sister had suffered when no one else seemed to care or bother much in trying to help her.
“shE NeVER TOLd DOnoVan ABOUt beiNG a HYdE! SHe DiDn’T SeeM CoNCERned THat he diEd !” Keep in mind that Donovan wasn’t exactly friendly or trusting of outcasts. Francoise probably believed that Donovan would have left her, giving her another straight up rejection. And there was a two week gap between episode 4 and 5, that’s plenty of time to find out your husband is dead and think about and grieve him while also thinking about where your long lost son is!
To all the haters..
@itshype
@hydegalpin
@darklinaforever
@teddyniffler
@cupoteahatter
…who are nothing more than sexist hypocrites by having sympathy and defending Tyler, who’s arguably done much worse than what his mother ever did.
All of you are idiots who hate on her for being “abusive” or a “terrible mother” should shut the fuck up, and go back to hating actual terrible people like Thornhill, like Isaac, like Crackstone! Not an emotionally scarred woman who’s been through hell!
I've literally never made a negative post about Françoise except for that one time about the slap she gave to Tyler, and that was an emotional reaction right after I'd seen the scene. Aside from that, I've never made a hateful post about that character. And I've always perfectly understood her situation, too. Even Isaac—I have a nuanced opinion about him. What the hell?!
But I repeat, nothing justifies the slap. Nothing. That's overreaction. You don't hit your child. That's all there is to it.
The only point I've ever actually addressed in this list by the way is the fact that she's trying to strip him of his Hyde identity. But not in the sense that I don't understand Françoise's reasoning. On the contrary, I understand it.
But that doesn't mean a good intention is a good thing.
Stripping Tyler of his Hyde identity is not, and never has been, the right thing to do in a show that aims to accept outcasts, especially Hydes, who are its ultimate representatives. Want making them normal, rather than helping them find a way to survive as they are without a master, is not a good thing in the show's narrative context.
That's literally the only reason we're against Françoise's actions for the most. At least for me. Not because we don't understand her. And this also still remains an action against Tyler's autonomy.
Like I don’t I have your receipts of your hypocrisy 🙄
The way you people are willing to be like all sympathetic and understanding and defensive of Tyler when it comes to his actions — “OH hE WaS TRAumaTIZEd!” “LAuREL toRtuRED HiM!” “It’S NoT hIs faULt!” But yet do a complete 180 on his mouth on his mother “oH SHe SLappED HiM, thAt’s AbuSE!” “BoDILY AUtonOMY MatTERs!”. At this point you’re exactly like the Wenclairs who you’ve been fighting against for the past three years, unfairly being against and hating someone without being sympathetic and understanding of what she went through in life.
The slap? Again! GET THE FUCK OVER IT! For years now he resented his dad for not talking about his mother, missed her so much, and finally had another chance to be with her, only for him to suddenly get all snappy with her simply because of a chain on his ankle?! She just saved his life and he’s clearly being ungrateful here!
And again! She was trying to save him from himself! From the life of pain, abuse and imprisonment that she went through for so many years! If you see that your kid has something or is doing something that’s very much harmful, destructive and life threatening to their own body and health, would you just let it happen? FUCK NO! You do everything you can as a parent to stop it! You don’t just leave it be simply because your kid “DOesn’T GiVE ConSENT!” 🤡. Tyler is still young here and hasn’t fully grasped the dangerous consequences that his power holds. In a way, he’s being selfish here by clinging onto power and naively thinking that it’s “freedom” when it isn’t. Being a Hyde means death, imprisonment or servitude. Bodily Autonomy as you so idiotically have to point out with the whole faux consent concept, does not apply to Tyler here. Especially when he’s someone who has abused his power and is clearly being selfish by clinging onto it.
Your views and response here clearly prove that the fandom is filled with selective empathizers, himpathisers, and pretty much internal misogynists. Because Francoise is not the attractive boy with a past, she doesn’t fit the sympathy card in the fandom, does she? Proving that because this is your line of thinking, it makes your opinion completely irrelevant and meaningless.
The first one is literally a post I just made AFTER quickly skimming through the episodes while I was still emotional. Literally, it's a post I made within an hour of the last four episodes being released. And the rest, I didn't write. They're reblogs. 🤨😑
The fact is, Françoise is a bad mother, with understandable circumstances. But she's still a bad mother. Tyler's family is a mess. That's a fact.
Nothing justified Françoise hitting Tyler. That's not how you discipline a child.
And even if Françoise's intention behind the machine was noble, it still wasn't right.
It seems like with your logic, a parent can do whatever they want to their child as long as they have good intentions... wtf?
So I conclude that you're watching a show about outcasts and thinking that the ultimate outcasts should... become normal? 🤡
@ginnycampbellbower88
Once again your hypocrisy is on full display here. Tyler was kidnapped, chained up and held by Laurel for what? A year? She drugged him, tortured him etc. Francoise was held prisoner in a secret program for 15 years, tortured and experimented on, meaning she endured suffering for much longer than Tyler ever did, yet you’re willing to still defend and explain him, despite the fact that nothing can really justify him killing those people in season 1, but when it comes to Francoise, your reaction is completely different. Tyler is fine to get away with what he did and have support from the fandom, but no not his mother. It proves once again that you represent a fandom that will use trauma to defend men when they do something questionable or bad, but not when it comes to women, or at least older women. Hell even Isaac gets more sympathy and love, and he is definitely the true remorseless, sadistic person here. If you were consistent in your views, we wouldn’t be having this argument. That there is perhaps my main problem with you and many people in the Wyler fandom which I’ve slightly become disillusioned with, your inconsistency and hypocrisy.
Francoise haters need to watch this video. It’s important to understand how misogynistic and hypocritical you all truly are when it comes to your views between Tyler and Francoise
“Oh Tyler was abused and traumatized! You don’t understand him!” They all say. Yeah I agree with you!
But guess what?! So was his mother! But because she doesn’t fit the attractive bad boy trope, you all dismiss her as this evil abusive woman instead of someone who’s been victimized, abused and tortured and imprisoned for how many goddamn years!
“ShE SLappED HiM!” GET OVER IT! He was being ungrateful here! Tyler needed a master otherwise he would have died! If Wednesday had become his master, you would have all rejoiced and celebrated! And I guarantee you that she would have treated Tyler a lot worse as payback for one upping her last season and make him her bitch of sorts. You guys would have probably all stared with googly eyes and say that she still secretly “loves him”.
“SHe TriED TO takE HiS POWer witHoUT HiS cONsent!” She was trying to save him from himself! From the life of pain, abuse and imprisonment that she went through for so many years! If you see that your kid has something or is doing something that’s very much harmful, destructive and life threatening to their own body and health, would you just let it happen? FUCK NO! You do everything you can as a parent to stop it! You don’t just leave it be simply because your kid “DOesn’T GiVE ConSENT!” 🤡. Tyler is still young here and hasn’t fully grasped the dangerous consequences that his power holds. In a way, he’s being selfish here by clinging onto power and naively thinking that it’s “freedom” when it isn’t. Being a Hyde means death, imprisonment or servitude.
“ShE WAs SeLFiSH!” How?! Her entire motivation has been saving Tyler! It’s always been about saving Tyler! She’s willing to sacrifice her one last chance at normalcy, the one last chance she has at prolonging the life that was stolen from her, so that her son can live without suffering like she did.
“ShE SHowed MOrE affECTION tO IsAAC ThAN TYLer! The truth is that she struggled to connect with him because she was taken away from him. Her time with him was stolen by the Stonehearsts who kept her locked away and tortured for many years! Tyler had grown up and changed from the last time she saw him. Isaac on the other hand still looked the same from over thirty years ago and therefore hadn’t changed. He was still the same person as he was before. The only person who knew how much his sister had suffered when no one else seemed to care or bother much in trying to help her.
“shE NeVER TOLd DOnoVan ABOUt beiNG a HYdE! SHe DiDn’T SeeM CoNCERned THat he diEd !” Keep in mind that Donovan wasn’t exactly friendly or trusting of outcasts. Francoise probably believed that Donovan would have left her, giving her another straight up rejection. And there was a two week gap between episode 4 and 5, that’s plenty of time to find out your husband is dead and think about and grieve him while also thinking about where your long lost son is!
To all the haters..
@itshype
@hydegalpin
@darklinaforever
@teddyniffler
@cupoteahatter
…who are nothing more than sexist hypocrites by having sympathy and defending Tyler, who’s arguably done much worse than what his mother ever did.
All of you are idiots who hate on her for being “abusive” or a “terrible mother” should shut the fuck up, and go back to hating actual terrible people like Thornhill, like Isaac, like Crackstone! Not an emotionally scarred woman who’s been through hell!
I've literally never made a negative post about Françoise except for that one time about the slap she gave to Tyler, and that was an emotional reaction right after I'd seen the scene. Aside from that, I've never made a hateful post about that character. And I've always perfectly understood her situation, too. Even Isaac—I have a nuanced opinion about him. What the hell?!
But I repeat, nothing justifies the slap. Nothing. That's overreaction. You don't hit your child. That's all there is to it.
The only point I've ever actually addressed in this list by the way is the fact that she's trying to strip him of his Hyde identity. But not in the sense that I don't understand Françoise's reasoning. On the contrary, I understand it.
But that doesn't mean a good intention is a good thing.
Stripping Tyler of his Hyde identity is not, and never has been, the right thing to do in a show that aims to accept outcasts, especially Hydes, who are its ultimate representatives. Want making them normal, rather than helping them find a way to survive as they are without a master, is not a good thing in the show's narrative context.
That's literally the only reason we're against Françoise's actions for the most. At least for me. Not because we don't understand her. And this also still remains an action against Tyler's autonomy.
Like I don’t I have your receipts of your hypocrisy 🙄
The way you people are willing to be like all sympathetic and understanding and defensive of Tyler when it comes to his actions — “OH hE WaS TRAumaTIZEd!” “LAuREL toRtuRED HiM!” “It’S NoT hIs faULt!” But yet do a complete 180 on his mouth on his mother “oH SHe SLappED HiM, thAt’s AbuSE!” “BoDILY AUtonOMY MatTERs!”. At this point you’re exactly like the Wenclairs who you’ve been fighting against for the past three years, unfairly being against and hating someone without being sympathetic and understanding of what she went through in life.
The slap? Again! GET THE FUCK OVER IT! For years now he resented his dad for not talking about his mother, missed her so much, and finally had another chance to be with her, only for him to suddenly get all snappy with her simply because of a chain on his ankle?! She just saved his life and he’s clearly being ungrateful here!
And again! She was trying to save him from himself! From the life of pain, abuse and imprisonment that she went through for so many years! If you see that your kid has something or is doing something that’s very much harmful, destructive and life threatening to their own body and health, would you just let it happen? FUCK NO! You do everything you can as a parent to stop it! You don’t just leave it be simply because your kid “DOesn’T GiVE ConSENT!” 🤡. Tyler is still young here and hasn’t fully grasped the dangerous consequences that his power holds. In a way, he’s being selfish here by clinging onto power and naively thinking that it’s “freedom” when it isn’t. Being a Hyde means death, imprisonment or servitude. Bodily Autonomy as you so idiotically have to point out with the whole faux consent concept, does not apply to Tyler here. Especially when he’s someone who has abused his power and is clearly being selfish by clinging onto it.
Your views and response here clearly prove that the fandom is filled with selective empathizers, himpathisers, and pretty much internal misogynists. Because Francoise is not the attractive boy with a past, she doesn’t fit the sympathy card in the fandom, does she? Proving that because this is your line of thinking, it makes your opinion completely irrelevant and meaningless.
Francoise haters need to watch this video. It’s important to understand how misogynistic and hypocritical you all truly are when it comes to your views between Tyler and Francoise
“Oh Tyler was abused and traumatized! You don’t understand him!” They all say. Yeah I agree with you!
But guess what?! So was his mother! But because she doesn’t fit the attractive bad boy trope, you all dismiss her as this evil abusive woman instead of someone who’s been victimized, abused and tortured and imprisoned for how many goddamn years!
“ShE SLappED HiM!” GET OVER IT! He was being ungrateful here! Tyler needed a master otherwise he would have died! If Wednesday had become his master, you would have all rejoiced and celebrated! And I guarantee you that she would have treated Tyler a lot worse as payback for one upping her last season and make him her bitch of sorts. You guys would have probably all stared with googly eyes and say that she still secretly “loves him”.
“SHe TriED TO takE HiS POWer witHoUT HiS cONsent!” She was trying to save him from himself! From the life of pain, abuse and imprisonment that she went through for so many years! If you see that your kid has something or is doing something that’s very much harmful, destructive and life threatening to their own body and health, would you just let it happen? FUCK NO! You do everything you can as a parent to stop it! You don’t just leave it be simply because your kid “DOesn’T GiVE ConSENT!” 🤡. Tyler is still young here and hasn’t fully grasped the dangerous consequences that his power holds. In a way, he’s being selfish here by clinging onto power and naively thinking that it’s “freedom” when it isn’t. Being a Hyde means death, imprisonment or servitude.
“ShE WAs SeLFiSH!” How?! Her entire motivation has been saving Tyler! It’s always been about saving Tyler! She’s willing to sacrifice her one last chance at normalcy, the one last chance she has at prolonging the life that was stolen from her, so that her son can live without suffering like she did.
“ShE SHowed MOrE affECTION tO IsAAC ThAN TYLer! The truth is that she struggled to connect with him because she was taken away from him. Her time with him was stolen by the Stonehearsts who kept her locked away and tortured for many years! Tyler had grown up and changed from the last time she saw him. Isaac on the other hand still looked the same from over thirty years ago and therefore hadn’t changed. He was still the same person as he was before. The only person who knew how much his sister had suffered when no one else seemed to care or bother much in trying to help her.
“shE NeVER TOLd DOnoVan ABOUt beiNG a HYdE! SHe DiDn’T SeeM CoNCERned THat he diEd !” Keep in mind that Donovan wasn’t exactly friendly or trusting of outcasts. Francoise probably believed that Donovan would have left her, giving her another straight up rejection. And there was a two week gap between episode 4 and 5, that’s plenty of time to find out your husband is dead and think about and grieve him while also thinking about where your long lost son is!
To all the haters..
@itshype
@hydegalpin
@gallowdancingmuck
@darklinaforever
@teddyniffler
@cupoteahatter
…who are nothing more than sexist hypocrites by having sympathy and defending Tyler, who’s arguably done much worse than what his mother ever did.
All of you are idiots who hate on her for being “abusive” or a “terrible mother” should shut the fuck up, and go back to hating actual terrible people like Thornhill, like Isaac, like Crackstone! Not an emotionally scarred woman who’s been through hell!