So what's the history for all these ppl harrassing u?
The only real history is that a bunch of spoiled entitled brats are recently accusing me that I'm being a huge bigot towards advocate for "ethical-Gen AI" because they happen to be disabled & gender-queer when I literally said anything other against them apart from being a AI-shill and a rather toxic individual
But because this person has a way bigger follower and how many people lapped up their clearly misleading thread, these piss-ants are getting their pants in a twist of me daring to call out an obvious bellend.
I literally told people not to go and harass others about it, but end up doing that anyway only as their mindless drones instead.
Though at this point, their failure to read the damn room and end up being a bunch of selfish cunts has killed any sense of care I once had if there's just gonna let techo-fascists like that person take advantage of others and destroy the integrity of art, if they can simply present themselves as the misfortunate themselves.
So congrats userbase
Not only you became the very stereotype of what bellends painted Tumblr as, of just letting your bias of favouring marginalized identities to cloud your judgement over behaviour.
But also how non-artists view artists as a bunch of knobish sprogs.
........And already having people missing the point of my post
@pOochy AKA platforms that a lot of creatives use to post their work and keep in touch with such things. It's how a lot of them converse with the devs.
@deepseametro I literally said in my post that it's not supposed to encourage. harassment, rather to steer clear of them. Plus they're not an real artist if they're using a generator.
Like them you're both trying to twist my words and disregard actual evidence that I'm providing.
Right, never thought I had to make one of these callouts in my entire time of using social media, but unfortunately due to the seriousness of the subject matter at hand, I have to get this out here to prevent more people being mislead.
Now for a lot of people who follow artist Tumblr might be aware of this one thread circulating in regards to people using Glaze & Nightshade in response to the recent updates made to Tumblr's data services. With the posting in question, @ reachartwork discouraging use of it and presenting an argument for it.
Now unlike most other people, I can tell how off their argument is as it lacked the nuance of how these programs worked and talked about it in a way that came off more enthusiastic, despite their claims of having sympathies people trying to protect themselves.
It's only until I took one little look at their blog and knew what was up, and their later behaviour proved my suspicions.
Now to get this right off the bat, I do apologise for whatever misgendering I exhibited as I didn't notice that about them, nor am I justifying this callout to harass them.
So please don't
Rather, it's to be weary of this user, and how you really shouldn't be sleeping on these programs.
Now as the original featured, it went out in presenting their argument as followed:
An additional point my colleague-in-ai and overall lovely human Max Woolf raised (he helped me make drilbot! Say hi);
And then telling it t
As you can notice in the thread, it's providing very little evidence of their findings of its supposed workings without proper sources, while trying to show ways to work around it (again, enthusiastically mind you).
And yet as you notice, they didn't bother providing an alternative way to combat this scalping situation everyone is in, especially with how replies have been of users expressing their grievances over this.
You'll think that maybe you should have added something to help others or worded themselves in a more sympathetic manner?
But that's when I checked into their profile and knew what seems to be up,
They're into this tech.
I knew this was clear propaganda, why would somebody who is invested into generative tech try and discourage methods in protecting others of data scalping?
Like I'm sorry but you can't be somebody who claims to be sympathetic about the whole power imbalance this whole field is causing, yet enthusiastically be into this tech. Those mixture of ideologies just do not match.
There's no such thing as "ethical AI use" for this tech.
Now upon knowing many were falling prey to this nonsense, I had to step in and present my own counter arguments and why they are so wrong. Both programs Q&A (along with demonstrations of it acting as written) thay explains the inner workings of it as thoroughly as possible:
After I posted my retort, this is the response I got:
A) Again, while I didn't intend disrespect for their gender, "AI-bro" has literally become a catch-all for us who are against the very people who are engaged in this field
B) Since when in my original argument that I did try to villainize the entirety of programmers in general? My wording was superficially against those in that field of ML tech who are for this tech.
C) Trying to spin my own findings with proper context and immaturely handwave it by boiling it down as me going "nuh uh" is making you look childish, the info I provided literally explains the very points they argued.
D) Reason I blocked them straight away is because I knew a lot of these pro-AI tend to be very combative when it comes to criticism, I felt it in my gut that they were going to do so first. And later on other factors of their character proved my point.
Like I'm sorry, you really think me not having a degree of X matter is somehow making me a worst person and that I shouldn't be allowed to voice criticism of something?
Just because somebody is in the field of something, doesn't automatically mean they have the best interests to heart.
And here's my confirmation that like a lot of these AI enthusiasts, they're very sensitive & combative.
Now not too long, I decided to try to reblog my argument on another reblog of the artist @ Kang-Bang as they have a bigger artist presence, while they fortunately did realize what the OP they were quickly blocked upon reblogging my own post:
But it wasn't that confirmed that behaviour.
I found out through a conversation I had with somebody on the server of artist-rights advocate Zakugu Mignon, that this individual had a similar encounter with this user a year ago on Twitter (I'm Hollow btw);
And here's the conversation this person had that led to this similar experience:
The unfortunate pattern behaviour that these pro-AI types are once again present.
It's always trying to justify the usage of this succeeding.
Now look, I'm not against the idea of the physical unabled being given the ability to produce creations of their own with the help technology means nor do I think that Artificial Intelligence is inherently bad.
But this generative tech is just doing it all the wrong way.
It's by all intentions & purposes, displace hard working people as cheaply and quickly as they can.
It has unfortunately happened to certain working sectors such as journalism, advertisement and translations as we speak.
Now on the topic of whether or not you use Glaze or Nightshade.
Please don't drop it
Now yes it's not a panchea for the societal problems we're currently facing.
But you shouldn't just leave whatever you post online out in the open without any forms of protection is not the wisest route to take.
As the Q&A already shown, it at least offers some way to ensure a means of sabotage data scalping.
There are still many other creatives and general users utilizing these programs for good reason, and WHY they're desperate for a means of protection.
@kaban-bang, oh I've seen their response, I do apologise in out towards the aether for misgendering them as I didn't seem to notice the full bio sooning and wasn't my intention in doing so.
However I sadly can't in good faith trust their supposed good in intent in the thread, when they seem to think my counter is an attack on programmers all round and accusing me of snakeoil when I'm literally providing context of what these programs actually do.
Like I'm all for giving the physical unabled ways to produce creations of their own, but this generative tech is *not* the solution. It's only going to contribute to the problem not solved it regardless (especially when other physically disabled artists I know have support out against it)
I'm sorry, but you can't be for art, when you're engaged with the very tech that's causing this very power imbalance, it's still enabling it.
i feel quite bad for people who are convinced nightshade and glaze are going to fix the balance of power in the art world because it really won't. they're quite useless and extremely easily circumvented, but trying to tell anyone this results in you getting shouted down. buddy i wish it worked too!
#1 - they're designed for very specific models of ai. by the time they could even hypothetically poison enough of the world's images to affect ais in any meaningful sense the architecture will have changed. it's not fast enough
#2 - it only prevents people training things like LORAs or fine-tuning on a specific artist's output and does nothing to affect image-to-image (the only thing that could realistically be qualified as plagiarism in any sense) or image prompting (i've tried this one myself to win an argument on twitter but they told me to kill myself).
#3 - image ais are no longer trained by vacuuming up as many images as possible and training on the resultant sludge - that's 2021-tier. two years in ai research is a LOT of time and by the time enough data gets poisoned to hypothetically matter it'll be years down the road. the emphasis in ai research nowadays is increasing the quality of the caption data as well as developing models that function more efficiently off fewer images, which is not something that many anti-ai people don't know because they keep a concerted effort to not stay up to date.
#4 - the image ais like stable diffusion are already trained. as that one post about vegan chicken nuggets said, the chicken is already in the nugget. you can't un-train the ai and then force the poisoned data back in. if you poison enough data for it to matter ai art people will just go back to earlier models (or wait until the architecture changes enough for it to not matter, see point #1). anyone selling you 'algorithmic disgorgement' has no idea what they're talking about and fundamentally doesn't understand the FOSS ecosystem.
#5 - the most damning is that nightshade and glaze can both be trivially defeated by applying a 1% gaussian blur to your image, which destroys the perturbations required to poison the data.
Even if you don't like generative models, this blog post is an amazing read. It also explains why Glaze and Nightshade aren't going to work on "local" models. People aren't training generative image models on their own personal computer. They're using Stable Diffusion and "fine tuning" it with LoRA (the math/stats people always make fun of CS people's sexy names, but I like this one). The UChicago people replied to a Twitter thread confirming that they didn't/don't expect Nightshade to work for LoRAs (someone put a screenshot somewhere else in the notes, and I didn't think to grab it. Maybe it was OP?).
If you know an image has had both or either applied, you can basically tell the model that the image is wrong and improve the model using the borked pictures. I think it is really cool that Max Woolf figured out how to do this in this particular case, but I think it should be made clear to non-ML people that augmenting/perturbing data is like... a foundational strategy to improving a model. Sometimes the augmentations are as simple as up-sampling classes that are underrepresented, but the popular ML libraries actually include functions to bork images to train image classifiers on (not in the same way as Glaze or Nightshade, but still).
Yeah no this @reachartwork is talking absolutely dribble, especially since they're still an AI bro regardless despite wanting to take it to an "ethical level"
Programmers like the OP and their colleague who are "enthusiastic" about this tech are still part of the problem of this power imbalance.
Also programs do actually work as shown in several examples posted below and the whole point of both Nightshade & Glaze is explained clearly in their Q&As
Yes, companions can try to counteract these programs, yes they can't magically solve the underlying problems at play of whom these generators and yes, the more long lasting approach to ensure better protections is by taking this to your local legislators.
It's really gutwreching to see a lot of the replies of other artists throwing their hands down in defeat, all by taking the word of somebody who's still getting involved in the power imbalance they're supposedly "sympathetic of the little guy" while not bothering to offer a solution to help fellow creatives in the same breath.
Seriously, if you cared you wouldn't be just trying to shut efforts down.
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And about the AI opt-out setting Tumblr will deploy tomorrow, I’ll just let you with the words of the person in charge of the heist:
Andrew Spittle, Automattic’s head of AI replied: “We will notify existing partners on a regular basis about anyone who’s opted out since the last time we provided a list. […] I believe partners will honor this based on our conversations with them to this point.”
So Tumblr will notify openAi and Midjourney that you wish your posts to not be used and it’s entirely up to them to comply or not. And as we know, we are talking about some of the less ethical companies on the internet (which honestly is kind of a feat), so that cute little setting will most than probably do nothing and less.
Not to mention that if it works the same as the search opt-out, the moment you are reblogged by someone who hasn’t opted out… Bam! You are in chatGPT, baebeeee!
I suspect that’s exactly how it works, it’s about what’s on YOUR blog not what you originally posted. It’s why I’m not bothering to delete any of my stuff honestly. I don’t know where it all is, who has it, who abandoned instead of deactivated. I’m just going to be very careful about what I share going forward.
This option will prevent your blog’s content, even when reblogged, from being shared with our licensed network of content and research partners, including those that train AI models.
(emphasis mine)
So unless they’re lying about what the setting does, it should actually prevent it being shared!!
so I found a source for the quote, and it establishes there’s two elements to this:
New datasets sent to the AI companies will exclude anyone with the setting on. this is for sure.
tumblr will also send lists of people who’ve turned the setting on to the AI companies in hopes they’ll remove those people’s content from the already sent datasets
so by turning the setting on, even if the AI companies totally ignore it, you’re still removing yourself from any new datasets
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