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Mikoto and Tatsuru - Ryman’s Club episode 05
From Midorikawa's Twitter
メリークリスマス🎄
Merry Christmas 🎄
Here are some storyboard scenes from the 3.333 release
00:45 - picnic
01:10 - shinji leans his head on kaworu’s shoulder, and kaworu puts his arm around him
01:31 - kaworu driving
01:45 - dss choker scene
02:06 - shinji reaches for kaworu’s hand
02:37 - kaworu’s death, he sheds a tear
03:06 - kaworu’s corpse
03:30 - shinji is ejected
Recently someone got the Blu-ray version of 3.333 and that has the storyboards of 3.333. Some patched up a few of those minutes here. There’s quite a few things that didn’t make it in the final cut and they go from heartwarming to subtly unsettling to downright terrifying. Some of the later scrapped concepts feel like a completely different beast. They’re way more on-brand with OG Eva! Because these feel more faithful to the original series in how they’re handled, some of the imagery shown below isn’t for the faint of heart.
(warning for body horror under the cut)
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On Kaworu, Shinji and the end of all cycles (interpreting Kaworu’s instrumentality sequence)
One of my favorite things among all that Shin Eva gave us is closure for Kaworu. And what closure it was!! Certainly a lot to take in, within an incredibly eventful portion of the movie too, but we’ve never been presented with a greater, clearer understanding of him as we have thanks to his instrumentality sequence.
So, glad and impressed by this piece of writing and presentation as I’ve been this whole time, I’m gonna go through the sequence’s most prominent bits and review what it all means for Kaworu’s character (and the relationship to Shinji that’s so, so primordial to him). Please note that I’ll try to follow the general order, but might need to jump a bit between parts of the sequence for clarity.
(Post under cut due to length and many images.)
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So did Anno just say homosexual relationships are bad and heterosexual ones are good by making Shinji get with Mari (with 0 development) and Kaworu get with Rei (also no development)? I can’t believe I waited 9 years for him to say Kaworu’s love was toxic actually, separating them, then having them get with female characters they barely interacted with. Kind of wish I never even shipped kawoshin in the first place.
Kaworu states that he misunderstood Shinji's happiness, which isn't really toxic in any degree. This came via the existence of the Evangelions. They brought a sort of false happiness and a lack of growth to the pilots. That's what Curse of Eva is.
He revolved himself around Shinji to such a degree that we didn't see much of who he was. He thought Shinji's happiness derived within Eva, so he piloted Eva to make Shinji happy. In FINAL he states that the Book of Life has their names together. They're always destined to be. It's why Kaworu states in the end of 3.0 and FINAL "We'll meet again." Without the world of Evangelions, people can finally be. Kaworu loves Shinji but doesn't base his whole being on him. He interacts with others.
We’re so used to seeing Kaworu and Shinji always together that it feels surreal that they’re interacting with others more. This is what it means to grow. You can love someone and still give them space. FINAL teaches you that it’s ok to want to make someone happy but revolving yourself entirely around someone isn’t healthy. There’s no indication that Kaworu and Rei are actually together. They’re interacting with each other without Eva. Same with Mari and Shinji.
I covered the gist of it here!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but did the movie basically say Kaworu’s fixation on Shinji was “wrong” and then have Shinji get with Mari and Kaworu get with Rei at the end? I don’t get why they put so many romantic connotations in kawoshin just to say homo bad, het good.
Hi! For me personally, I saw things a bit different. Yes, Kaworu did say he misunderstood Shinji's happiness. Yes, Kaji said that it was Kaworu's happiness Kaworu wanted. But he also said that Kaworu wanted Shinji's happiness to make himself happy. I don't think this is necessarily a condemnation of Kaworu's actions. It seems like if Shinji was happy, he was happy, he just had to make Shinji happy. But he didn't know how. He assumed what Shinji needed to be happy. And yes, it is wrong to assume what someone needs, but Kaworu really doesn't know what else to do. From my understanding, in 3.33, Kaworu's understanding of what Shinji needed to be happy was that Shinji needed to pilot again. They needed the spears to reverse the damage Shinji did to the world. However, things didn't go as planned. It was actually a trap. Kaworu thought Shinji's happiness would be found in an Eva again but he was wrong. That's why in 3+1, Kaworu apologizes to Shinji about misunderstanding his happiness when Evas were brought up.
And it's a lot like real life, some people want to help another person but they don't ask the person what they really need. They just do what they think is right for the person. They are wrong but they aren't bad people (usually) for it.
Personal example: I have a friend who I love to bits. He's pretty much the Shinji to my Kaworu (platonically.) There have be plenty of times when I felt so similar to him. (The "I'm you. I'm just like you." line from Kaworu hit me so hard cause I thought about how I felt about my friend.) I'm always trying to help him, trying my best to help him be happy because that makes me happy to. Especially since I feel so similar to him, it's like I'm giving myself the help I never got. But oftentimes, I project my own ideas of what it means to be happy on him instead of concidering what he wants. It isn't out of malicious intent, it's just comes from the strong desire to help him. But it isn't right. So Kaworu's scene hit home to me and I got it cause I experienced it in a way.
I personally don't think that since the movie said he misunderstood what Shinji wanted, doesn't necessarily mean he was a bad person. I think the movie was just trying to flaw him like all the other characters since Kaworu is, compared to the main cast, pretty flawless. However I wish they did a better job since I've seen many people disappointed or confused about this choice. I wasn't bothered by it at all because I related to it. Hopefully my rambles make sense to you!
Now to address the other part of your ask! What was that ending? To keep it short, I believe that these "pairings" aren't set in stone. Mari and Shinji did flirt with each other but does that 100% mean they are dating? Not exactly. Rei and Kaworu were seen standing and talking next to each other, does that mean they are dating? Not exactly. One thing I've noticed that is sometimes lost in online discussion is interpretation. Not everything we watch has a set meaning. You and I can watch the same thing and have wildly different takes from it, and that's perfectly fine. Everyone won't always agree what they feel or think a piece of media has to say. As far as I know, Anno did not come out and confirm it himself that Shinji and Mari are dating and that Kaworu and Rei are dating. So it's all up to how you interpret their relationship. Some might see it as purely romantic, some might see it as purely platonic, they are both interpretations that can work. I think it's interesting at least that Shinji and Mari are shown on one side of the track. While Askua, Kaworu, and Rei are shown on the other. They are all, I asume, dead. But Mari was able to retrieve Shinji. So it's the classic one side has the living, the other side of the tracks have the dead visualization. I have nowhere to go with that but I just wanted to point it out.
I find it also interesting that they showed Kaworu and Rei next to each other. This movie compared Kaworu to Gendo. Kaworu is determined to make Shinji happy just as much as Gendo is determined to see Yui again, and they both fail to make things go as planned. So very interesting things can be taken from seeing Kaworu and Rei together. Since they are representations of Shinji's parents, they could be dating. (I don't believe that but I'm trying to show that things can be interpreted in different ways.) Or, if you want to go the more "deep route", they are important halves to Shinji's whole. Kind of like you are half one of your parents and half the other. (Very lose explainion of genetics but you see what I'm saying???) I'm not saying that they literally ARE his parents, but are halves of Shinji similar to how one is "half" their parents. Think about in EOE. First when Kaworu was another part of giant Rei. And then that part where Rei and Kaworu were with Shinji, helping him decide between humanity and Instrumentality. Shinji asks "what are the two of you within my heart?" Rei responds that "We are the hope that people will one day be able to understand each other." And Kaworu says "We are the words, "I love you."" Shinji just wanted to be understood and loved. However, Shinji says it is just a pretense, just a claim. But that isn't important to dive into for the point I'm making. Kaworu and Rei are reflections of what Shinji desires. And it's a decent thematic choice to have them resemble his parents in 3+1 the since they are halves of Shinji's heart that makes up his whole. Shinji's WHOLE character is driven by the desire to understand, but how? He is driven to be loved, but how? Kaworu and Rei reflect that.
All of that to say that there are a lot of things you can take from just the little bit of information. I wasn't fond of the ending but it didn't make me feel like the movie was saying that straight was good and gay was bad. HOWEVER, I do not fault you at all for seeing it like that. Because, on the surface it really does look like that....it really does. Both Kaworu and Mari are queer coded and seemly put in het relationships. But in Evangelion, things aren't always what they look on the surface. There is so much you can take from one scene, there are different ways to read what you're presented. I can't pretend to know Anno and his intentions for the Rebuilds, especially this one, but I don't believe he wanted things to be so cut and dry.
As you can see, I'm very passionate about this!!! Hopefully what I said made a lick of sense. And if not, please Anon ask me to clarify some things. Or maybe you want to challenge what I said! Which is cool too. Eva is a series I really love and I learned quickly that you got to realize that not everything is as it seems in the show.
I'll leave you with this: Remember that Kaworu and Shinji's names are written in the Book of Life. They are bound to meet each other over and over again. Being linked that way is pretty romantic. I'm with you Anon, kawoshin has so much potential that was seemingly shattered by this movie. But there are still some beautiful albeit brief moments between the two.
thrice upon a time satisfied my achey kawoshin heart. i loved it. bittersweet & beautiful.
goodbye evangelion 🤍
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あああああああああ Natsume Yuujinchou is doing an anime site pilgrimage collab with Kumamoto prefecture!!!! Finally, something that’s high-key relevant to my interests!! I’ve done Hitoyoshi/Natsume locations that one year but being the long running series that it is I knew for sure there’d be so many other places I have yet to check off my list. Japan please get well soon I would LOVE to have reasons to come visit you again!! Site here: https://kumamoto.guide/natsume-yujincho/
1/2 Hi! I recently found your tumblr and started reading the Natsuyuu manga but I’ve been a fan of the series for a few years after falling in love with the anime. I was wondering if Midorikawa has any interviews or commentary besides the volume end notes. I’d really like to know what she thinks about the story and her characters. Also is there any other additional work besides extras/oneshots, like drama cd’s? I think I read a rough translation of one that was uploaded many years ago that
2/ really pulled at my heart. I wasn’t sure if there’s anything else since then that adds more to Natsume’s character/other elements in the story. I’ve found it difficult to find a lot on Natsuyuu, I guess it’s not super popular outside Japan? If there was any would you guys translate it or make a summary (unless you have already)? I also wonder when Natsuyuu will eventually end since it feels like we’ve only reached 1/3 of what the story could be, yet for the manga it’s been over 10 years.
Our priority is translating the manga itself, we've translated extras and other miscellaneous stuff before but it's usually just content featured in LaLa or in the actual volume releases.
I don't see this changing in the near future, not necessarily because I don't want to but because we're already behind with the Japanese releases, and doing something else will only distract us from our goal of catching up. Once we do, I'll have to think about this much more thoroughly.
As you've said, NatsuYuu has been running for about a decade now, so I'd find it pretty hard to imagine if Midorikawa hasn't had at least one interview by now—I don't have too much about this kind of thing though. But there are plenty of stories from the Drama CDs posted on Youtube. Sadly, I don't know how many have been translated into English.
I'm not sure about other Asian countries but yeah, in the West, NatsuYuu isn't very popular.
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I may have no clue as to when NatsuYuu might end, but I do find it interesting how the more recent stories seem to indicate that Midorikawa is gearing up towards an eventual ending. The series used to feel neverending but now I can vaguely envision some kind of ending.
Because of this ask, I began working on creating a resource that collects all kinds of different NatsuYuu related media such as light novels, drama CDs, sound theatres, or interviews into one place—translated or not. It's on the backburner for now, but I've gathered a good amount of links so far. This project is out of my depth, so at some point, I'll start asking people for submissions for it.
For the time being, please accept this joint-interview interview between Kamiya Hiroshi (Natsume Takashi) and Inoue Kazuhiko (Nyanko-sensei) which Niji translated for us back in 2017.
Higher Resolution Here.
Text Version Here.
natori & natsume | [moondust]
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Artist -> 藤丸 [pixiv id]
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they had so much love to give each other despite knowing one another for a short time…
9 years and 3 postponements later, the fourth and final Rebuild movie, 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon A Time, premieres March 8th, 2021.
I’m quarantining 3+1 spoiler discussion here (right here. this post) until the raws are subtitled in English or the movie becomes available for legal streaming (whatever comes first). Afterwhich, I’ll tag 3+1 posts with “#3+1 spoilers” in case anyone wants to hold out even longer.
I also have a locked twitter account for spoilers. Follow request at your own peril! You can also follow my main (spoiler-free) account at qritsuko. Safe. Secure. Easy breezy beautiful, Covergirl.
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Nagisa Kaworu Analysis Superpost
Kaworu’s a fairly enigmatic character both in-universe and Eva’s fandom circles. He does, however have a lot of subtleties which can be easily overlooked by any viewer. This page is a gigantic guide to his character from the anime, the Rebuilds, as well as the games, official and unofficial manga. It also delves into his relationships with other characters (Shinji, Rei, and Asuka). As such it addresses common as well as subtle points of his character and common misconceptions. The pages that aren’t boldfaced are personal analyses I’ve made over the years. Others, marked in bold, belong to others. I’ve also made warnings to the respective links as well.
Anime
Kaworu 101
Kawotrio Analysis (+ Importance of Ode to Joy)
Kaworu, Rei, and Relationships with Identity
Why Netflix’s “You Are Worthy of My Grace.” Doesn’t Work
“I Think I May Have Been Born to Meet You.”
Kaworu’s Eva’s Divine Motifs
Draftverse Kaworu 101
Draftverse + Scars (Self-harm mention warning)
AT-Fields 101
Kaworu + Unconditional Love
Kaworu as an Idealized Other
Extent of His Abilities
Extent of His Abilities Part 2 (Kaworu’s Abilities or Adam’s?)
Extent of His Abilities Part 3
“I am the words, ‘I love you.”
More Examples of Kawoshin (Rebuild + Manga bleed-over)
Even More Examples of Kawoshin
The Psychological Quintet
Fly Me to the Moon and Kawoshin
Kaworu’s Donor
Is He His Own Person?
On Kaworu’s Physiology (s2 engines)
Guide to Angels
On Giga Nagisa and Ultra Rei
Will Kaworu Ever Achieve True Happiness?
Why Doesn’t Kaworu Have Pupils?
“He was like me, and Ayanami.”
Other Common Misconceptions
Excerpt from “All About Nagisa Kaworu: A Child of Evangelion”.
Free Will vs. Determinism
Why Would Kaworu Ask Shinji to Kill Him?
The Subtle Horror of Evangelion (body horror warning, nudity warning, suicide mention)
Rebuilds
Cut 2.0 Storyboards (body horror warning)
Groundwork Analyses 3.0 (aka Kaworu’s ”Do you really want to know?”)
Kaworu’s Kindness in the Rebuilds
Straightforward Nature
Kaworu in 3.0 Storyboards (Physically Afflicted)
More Groundwork 3.0 Shots
Animeverse Kaworu vs. Qworu
Time Loop Evidence
Time Loop Evidence 2: Kaworu + Leliel Parallels
K+S/Romeo + Juliet Parallels
“This time I will bring you happiness.”
Heart Imagery in 3.0
Would Kaworu Lose his Composure? (added 1/15/21)
Dead Sea Scrolls - “Was Born to Meet You.” Parallels (added 2/15/21)
Rebuild Shogi Analysis (added 2/15/21)
Misc (Manga, Official and Non, Games, Merchandise)
Evangelion Piko Piko
Qworu, Animeworu, and Karl Designations
Kaworu Drawn by Different Animators
Kaworu + Bridal Style (Evangelion Pachinko)
Sakura Nagashi Link/Unused 3.0 Footage
Kaworu vs. Other Angels?
Some Kaworu Pachinko Footage
Pachinko Time Loop Nod
Kawoshin 3.0 Figure
NGE2 Kawoshin
Misc. Official Kawoshin Art
Misc. Examples of Canonical Kawoshin (4 pages worth of canon, nudity warning)
Misc. Merchandise
“It’s alright. Do your best.”(FINAL?)
“I Mustn’t Like Someone Like That.”
Kaworu + Shinji New Year’s Design Office Merch Analysis
Evangelion Battle Orchestra Kaworu Story Mode, Eng. Translation
Nagisa Kaworu Merch (Life-Sized + Entry Capsule) (added 1/15/21)
Nagisa Kaworu Production Art (added 1/15/21)
Eva Piko Piko Screencaps Vol. 1 (added 1/15/21)
Eva Piko Piko Screencaps Vol.1, Pt. 2 (added 1/15/21)
Original character design of Kaworu by Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (added 2/15/21)
The Kiss, Kaworu + Shinji Official Jewelry (added 2/15/21)
Groundwork of Evangelion 1.11 Screenshots (nudity) (added 2/15/21)
Groundwork of Evangelion 2.22 Screenshots (added 2/15/21)
Groundwork of Evangelion 2.22 Vol. 1 Screenshots (added 2/15/21)
Groundwork of Evangelion 3.33 Vol. 1 Screenshots (added 2/15/21)
Groundwork of Evangelion 3.33 Vol. 1+2 Screenshots (added 2/15/21)
Groundwork of Evangelion 3.33 Vol. 2 Screenshots (added 2/15/21)