your media is lying to you, my media is not... a 2 hour circle jerk.
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
You both like climate change.
You: so, climate change eh?
Stranger: do you believe this?
Stranger: in the 80's they talked about a ice time coming. climate change is just a way to make people open up their wallets and make more money
You: you might also consider that climate denial is also a way to line the pockets of people who are in power and don't want change
Stranger: no since most people in power support climate change. except countries like china and trump
You: China believes in Climate change though
Stranger: if they did they would take action. if they truly believed
You: https://newrepublic.com/article/155136/what-china-bad-response-climate-crisis
Stranger: they dont take action at all they build more factory's. China is not going with this climate change flow. if they really believed they would take drastic actions. actions speak louder then words
Stranger: just because the media tells this about china doesnt mean its true you know
You: mmmmm, well where do you get your media from?
You: like, if you can't trust sources of information, how are you forming your world view?
Stranger: i from my world view to listen to anyone and read every news. then it's easy to compare. if like you only visit one news site your doing it all wrong. and since i started doing this i can see through the lies
Stranger: many news website for example have a political agenda. after all even news people are voters and believe something. they are not neutral
You: so all the scientific journals that say climate change is real, humans are behind it and if we don't take action we'll all die are just propaganda?
Stranger: well, they asked like a couple hundred scientist about this climate change. many scientist disagree but were not taken in this enquete! many people dont know this. this is how they got their 80% thing which is false
You: is the United Nations trust worthy?
https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/science.shtml
Stranger: no lol. United nations and trust. if you trust them your long way from home
You: it seems like your mind is made up
Stranger: well no first i was like hmm climate change let me read in. and when i did and think for myself and heard from all sides i knew this is bullshit
You: does the occurrence of 4 or 5 type five hurricanes each summer suggest there is a problem?
Stranger: no. you know why a hurricane comes?
Stranger: The earth has its own temperature device like a inner clock to cool itself down. hurricane do this they cool down the inner core of the earth. over the centuries tons and tons of hurricanes been there. they point it out now in the media to make you scared and you fall for it
You: ok, cool, so the earth has ways to solve climate change on its own
You: do you think we'll survive the earths mechanisms?
Stranger: the earth has its own way to deal with when the inner core gets too hot yes. like our body can do this too when we have a fever
You: well, its sounds great
Stranger: it does. i dont fall for people anymore who trying make me afraid all to make more money cause thats what its about in the end
You: i mean, i would love to have such an out look based on wishful thinking
Stranger: i can recommend it to everyone to see trhu the lies
You: so if climate change activists teamed up with anti-capitalist movement would you be more interested?
Stranger: few years ago they said there is a hole in the horizon, remember? nothing you hear about this anymore. it wass to make you scared. now its climate change. way way before was they said there is coming a ice time
You: yeah, i guess they said, consumers should stop buying hairspray and aerosole products
Stranger: yeah exactly they made us afraid with this o-zonde story. before that in the 80' they said ice time and now its climate change
You: and then they said... well shit these uv rays could cause problems down the way
Stranger: yeah and we are still here
You: and we are facing problems with a hot ass earth
Stranger: its raining here lol
You: like the plankton in the ocean dying
You: like the polar caps melting
Stranger: did you know that many years ago in egypt there was water and jungle where now is dessert?
You: yeah, dude, it happened due to deforestation
Stranger: forest fires like the one in brasile have been every year before you were born. you hear it now cause it aids their agenda
Stranger: it happened yes but not because us humans
You: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall
Stranger: you shouldn't believe wikipedia literally everyone can add something in. this is what i mean think for yourself dont believe everything on the web you read
Stranger: i can go wikipedia now and change things
You: i understand how it works
You: it does have a community based vetting process
Stranger: well then you know many people add wrong information to make you believe the things
Stranger: i readed a lot on wikipedia stuff that were inaccurate so i stopped using it
You: ok, but, you understand the Green wall is a real project the African union is working on right?
Stranger: could be. there are so many climate and green projects i lost count
Stranger: i separate my trash because i know plastic is bad for our nature. cause this you can see and its proven. so i do this. but not because climate change
Stranger: i own a bike instead of car cause i know its dirty air and better for health. now for example angela merkel from germany went to united nations meeting in three separated airplanes with staff
Stranger: they know they sell a lie
Stranger: barrack obama bought a house in the middle of the ocean surrounded by sea
Stranger: prince harry gave climate speech day after took private airplane wich is double dirty
You: donald trump built walls around his ocean side property to prevent rising water from fuckin them up
Stranger: donald trump doesnt believe in climate change. barrack obama does! now why he bought house with land if he was so afraid the sea gonna rise. he knows its a lie the left-party sells people and everyone fooled
You: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
You: this is a pretty interesting article
Stranger: But what do you make of that? Angela Merkel in three separates airplanes. Prince Harry after climate speech in private dirty airplane. Leaonardo dicrapio uses his private jet more then we will ever fly. what you say to this? these people who wanna sell you climate change
You: shrug??? rich people got places to be
Stranger: so thats your excuse?
You: we can/should hold them accountable
Stranger: they are rich people who need to go places so then its okay?
Stranger: they want you to pay taxes over airplanes but they can fly often in private jets. lol wake up
You: idk man, i guess we should invest in better trains?
Stranger: no. we should start with out leaders and celebrities who sell you and i climate scare stories. and then use private jets a lot and use it more then we ever will fly. they are big hypocrites
Stranger: instead of blaming the people we should start with them
You: mmmm, they are just people though
Stranger: but they use their power and influence to make you scared and pay taxes
You: we should probably blame companies who pay less taxes then they should and exploit their workers and the environment
Stranger: isn't it hyprocite that you have own private jet and use it much in a year, and i mean really much. but then say to everyone climate change is coming we should add fly taxes and you should pay more insurance
You: like, i'm litterally too poor to pay taxes, but i am happy to suggest that rich people pay more taxes
Stranger: here exactly you are too poor to pay taxes and still they want you to pay more!! but themselves they keep living their wealthy life
You: yeah man, so you are into anti-capitalism after all?
Stranger: now what i say instead of pumping all this money into waste projects for climate change. give it back to the people. so people like you have lower taxes and better healthcare and more income so the economy grows
Stranger: aslong you cant even pay taxes why the hell you support them plans they even wanna you pay more taxes its insane
You: what? i make like 25 grand a year and pay no taxes, cause i am floating on the poverty line, but yeah, Jeff Bezos should pay taxes, probably 95% of his wealth should be seized and put to use on infrastructure and sustainable living projects to improve the life of the average and poor person
Stranger: yeah well that's not gonna happen. rich people stay rich.
You: but yeah, climate action is just a scheme to make money, and change is bad
Stranger: the system is not made to make rich people poor
You: does that not bother you?
Stranger: ofc it does. it bothers me that there are millionaires who buy golden cars and some people cant even afford healthcare. it's sick! but thats how the system works. rich people stay rich and poor stays poor
You: so... if there was a movement that helped mobilize people to change that would you be interested?
Stranger: people are waking up slowly, not many people but more then 10 years ago. they started think for themselves and see through this big lies. if there was a movement i believed in i supported them ofc.
Stranger: look how many people buy this climate bullshit. its insane how easy people get fooled
Stranger: if you tell a lie long enough, eventually it becomes the truth
You: well i don't know man, I believe in climate change, but i also believe in raising class consciousness and kicking rich peoples asses, i think tackling them together makes a lot of sense...
Stranger: well those rich people you wanna tackle made up this climate change, to make more money out of you!
You: so, you know, you continue to believe what Exxon wanted you to believe in the 1980s
You: i'lll keep do what i'm doing
Stranger: if you wanna kick the rich people then stop buying their bullshit. that simple
You: idk man, rich people also want to gut the social safety net programs in my country and kill the environmental protections we put in place too, that doesn't sound like a great idea
You: like, i get that it seems weird that Matt Damon is using his platform to talk about climate change when he won't stop using planes to get places to talk about it
Stranger: Do you know this Greta? This child climate activist?
Stranger: well this Greta her manager works for the company of george soros. world riches man! dont you see it? its all a big lie
Stranger: you can google this
You: she also famously sailed to new york on a sail boat
Stranger: this greta is a child en they use her because children make people weak and soft and you buy the lies
You: her message is, "listen to scientists and stop betting against my generations future"
Stranger: her message is what they told her to say
Stranger: it is not a coincidence that her manager works for george soros. it is not a coincidence. that should already show you something
You: again, your message is what exxon wants you to say
You: like you are doing this work pro-bono
You: spreading the message that inaction is the right thing to do
Stranger: didnt you hear me? i told to take action against the lies!
Stranger: and lol i have a bike, separate trash, never flied, eat biologic. so dont come to me saying i dont take action. i do more then enough but what i dont do is fall for lies
You: i am gonna take action to prevent extinction
Stranger: we wil survie this wake up
Stranger: you got fooled and believe in lies. think for yourself
You: I am down for the human race surviving
You: again, we can both say think for yourself over and over
Stranger: aslong as we humans think for ourself and listen God's word we will survive and we will stay strong
Stranger: why dude. thats so negative lol
You: oh sorry, just a regional affect
Stranger: i think you and i think about many things the same only with all respect you fall for the lies and i woke up
You: well man, i think you and i think about many things the same only with all respect you fall for the lies and i woke up
Stranger: well no. cause you follow the climate change lies. so no i dont agree at all.
Stranger: you havent woke up you believe in media news that climate change is killing us
Stranger: how many times have this same media told that donald trump is gonna get removed through the years lol
You: perhaps the states is an oligarchy?
Stranger: and is copying my message exactly to the last word thinking for yourself or repeating what i said? like you repeating what the media says
You: i am just saying, "i know you are but what am i?" and its childish, but the point that i think you believe lies too, and they are convenient to rich people staying in power and hurting poor people whether its by poor people dying by climate change or poor people dying by poverty
You: like, to me class warfare is intertwined
Stranger: if you think rich people dont stay in power then idk who falls her for the lies
You: i am hoping they won't in the future, but we'll see
Stranger: they will lol. its a disney story to believe else
You: is that a typo, or an awesome metaphor?
Stranger: over the centuries rich people stayed rich. and poor stayed poor. not the future gonna change this
Stranger: doennt mean i wish to see it different but be realistic is also the key
Stranger: in my dream world nobody is poor. this never gonna happen its not realistic
You: welp, i mean, if we all die via climate meltdown, it will be a classless planet
Stranger: we dont die of climate. we rather die of greed and warfare and overpopulation
You: mmm... the treat of over-population is also a myth spread by rich eugenicists and could easily be solved if we dissolved capitalism in favour of food and resource distribution networks
You: but yeah, greed and warfare for sure
Stranger: lol no. overpopulation is real i see it in my own country
Stranger: the netherlands. we dont have enough houses! land is full. now 17 million... in 2050 there are 20 millions
Stranger: i can see it effect already here so i know its real
You: what? there are 20 millon people in my city
Stranger: holland is very small country. we have 17 million now. and in 2050 20 million
Stranger: but now already not enough houses
You: ok man, so maybe people will migrate or build houses/buildings/skyscrapers?
You: there is enough land to spread out on elsewhere
Stranger: migrate? thats not a solution cause sooner or later other lands are full aswell
Stranger: have you ever been in europe
Stranger: you lived here or just visited
You: visited for multiple months
Stranger: yeah. well if you live here long time. you see things different. same thing as if i would go live there with you that i see things different
Stranger: the land is full. immigration is a killer
You: still the origin of "the treat of over-population" comes from eugenicists
Stranger: the origin of the immigration comes from wars in middle-east made up by governments sponsoring terrorist cells to overthrow governments in middle-east for either money or oil. those people flee and come here and stay here
Stranger: every month people comes here by 1000
Stranger: but media keeps it silence
Stranger: cause media is not neutral
You: yeah, man.... like, the media is probably in cahoots with 'big oil'?
Stranger: no the media is founded and sponsored by left-people. thinking immigration is good and should continu. so any negative news regarding it wont be in the news
Stranger: people who dont see this are truly blind
You: lol, its possible that rich people are co-opting leftist narratives to get you to have compassion for displaced immigrants so that they can continue to exploit the resources in these other countries
Stranger: Well, Holland is in Europe controlled by Europe Union. Europe Union sees and wants immigration as the world should be mixed. thats what they believe in. they make the laws for us. the left-media are people who think alike, hence why never any negative news regarding immigration is here. police have been told to keep down reports about immigration people who steal, rob, rape to not make them look bad and to make everyone believe it is good
You: also, if climate change is real, the people who are gonna get effected earliest are brown folks near the equator, so not having compasion for them is convenient, kinda why lots of right wing folks are leaning into white-nationalism in north america
Stranger: immigration here doesnt happen cause climate change i already pointed out
You: yeah.... it happens here,
Stranger: i believe when you say that. you know you country better then i do. but trust me also if i tell you this about my country
Stranger: there are many racist also out there sadly
Stranger: it is. racist is so low-key. and narrow-minded
You: lots of cruelty in the world and misplaced anger
Stranger: but its easy to call someone a racist so they dont have to discuss the actual problem
Stranger: here everyone calls you racist quickly
Stranger: so they dont have to discuss the actual problem i just told you
You: well dude, we've been chatting for like an hour and a half, i should probably go make a sandwich or go for a walk
You: its been a good convo though
You: lol, no i doubt i would do that
Stranger: hahha i thought you say that
Stranger: but your prime minister sucks
You: gonna vote for the NDP
You: it's the new democrats party, they are left of the liberals who are in power now
You: likely due to this racist black face fiasco the liberals will lose and either the conservatives and their super regressive racist agenda will win, or the NDP
You: ndp has lots of good socialist policies
Stranger: yeah its insane that you cant dress up as a black person on a party for halloween lol
You: mmmm, i mean, yeah its racist
Stranger: no its not. its a halloween party lol
You: i think blackface is more common in scandanavia?
Stranger: im really sick of these racist callers crybaby's. they ruin all the fun and always yell "racist"
You: like... their is some kinda chimney sweep character?
You: does that sound familiar or is that somewhere else?
Stranger: hey it's a halloween party you can dress like my grandma it should be possible. people get insulted way way too fast if you ask me
Stranger: yeah sound familiar
You: like, he was dressed up as aladdin, he could have done that with out painting himself black
You: that's sorta the issue
Stranger: i'm anti-racists. they are low people. but come on dressing up on halloween being called racist lol
Stranger: aladdin is black after all or dark. nobody gives a shit only the crybaby's
Stranger: if aladdin was white you would hear NOBODY about this
You: like, the aladdin in the disney cartoon was light skinned dude voiced by a white guy
You: had he worn the same outfit, but not painted his face and body black, that would have been different
Stranger: aladdin was tanned color, not dark but like tanned dark if you can say this. but whatever. if you cant dress up like black aladdin and people cry over this THAT shows exactly what is wrong with those people. always yelling racist while this guy isn't even racist at all lol
You: like, idk, its perhaps a north american issue cause of our slavery and vaudville history
Stranger: yeah people just like to yell racist and cry. its really sick. its says more about them if you ask me
Stranger: if someone dress up like a white cartoon i dont give a shit nor other white people
Stranger: black people stay playing victim
You: i mean, its annoying cause the conservative who are actively working against people of colour are using it to cry racist and win control
You: like, so that's the part that annoys me the most is that we are gonna end up with a much more actively racist government
You: but anyway.... its a whole thing
Stranger: working against someone based ONLY because their skin color is so sad! judging someone on their skincolor is sad! But dressing up like a dark disney figure using bit too much dark makeup and people get angry.... those angry people are sad
Stranger: there are bigger work problems like a aladdin costume lol
Stranger: but nowadays you cant say any joke about black people or jews or you are called racist
You: i feel like you are baiting me to call you racists by pointing out these actions you mentioned are infact racist actions
Stranger: i have a friend who is jew and a friend who is black and we joke about this things and we are good friends. thats how its suppose to be not taking everything so serious
Stranger: you can call me racist lol i dont give a f*** i know what i am and what i am not
You: its possible they don't feel like they have the social capital to tell you it annoys them and that friendship with bigoted people is better than being alone because of feelings of low self-worth (cause by accepting racism)
Stranger: no they make same jokes and last time we laughed with tears about a joke my jew friend made
Stranger: we understand humor
You: ok, well, you know your scene
Stranger: yeah. unfortunately most people are fast insulted and cry fast. but not taking everything so serious and being able to make jokes should be possible its even healthy
You: ok bud, i really do have to go, you take care!
