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七夕とペルソナ2
今日は七夕ですので、絵の代わりにマイアのデザイン考察を書いてみます。 ※七夕と本作のメインストーリーは象徴的な意味で直結しているため、ネタバレなしでマイアのデザイン考察を行うことはほぼ不可能、そこはどうかご容赦ください。
—————— 結論から言えば、ペルソナ2において舞耶の初期専用ペルソナ・マイアの姿は、金子一馬先生がプレアデス星団の七姉妹と七夕伝説を融合させ、さらに作中の「宇宙人の噂」要素をも取り入れることで、『和服姿の宇宙人マイア』へと昇華させたデザインです。
本来人間に嫁いだのは七姉妹の末っ子メローペですが、本作では舞耶と淳、そして達哉との関係性を強調する必要があり(マイアはヘルメスの母であり、淳が舞耶に母性を投影している点に対応。またマイアは、達哉の初期ペルソナである火神ウゥルカヌスの妻でもあります)、七姉妹を代表してマイアが選ばれたのでしょう。 さらに『万魔殿』の解説の通り、羽衣伝説との共通点も多いため、金子先生はマイアと織姫のイメージを重ね合わせたのだと思われます。
また、オカルト的な視点で見れば、『世界各地の羽衣伝説に登場する天女の正体は、天から降りた宇宙人かも』というのも典型的な噂の一つですよね。そしてペルソナ2は、まさに“噂”を扱った物語。 少々ややこしいかもしれませんが、これは真面目な学術考察というより、あくまで金子先生の想像力の爆発……といったところです。
具体的な考察については、以下の画像をご参照ください。なお、アポロンとアルテミスに関する部分は七夕とは直接関連しないため今後の考察に譲ります。私個人の勝手な考察であり、力不足な点も多々ありますが、金子一馬先生のデザインの素晴らしさや、『ペルソナ2』の物語の魅力を一人でも多くの方に伝えることができたなら、これほど嬉しい七夕はありません。
KANEKO’S CRIB NOTES LXX: HASHEM Q
Kaneko has confirmed some age-old speculation, that the disembodied head of YHVH is inspired by the disembodied head of the "Supreme Being" from Terry Gilliam's Time Bandits, called Bandit Q in Japan.
Thanks @purseowner4thequalityanimation and @poltergeist0002!
I finally figured out why Lucifer in SMT5 gives me such strong déjà vu
about Kaneko Satan and breasts.
This time, I’m not here to compare whose Satan is the better design, because it’s obvious that the two artists drew Satan from different periods.
Doi’s version of Satan is based on this image, depicting Satan as the Great Red Dragon from the Book of Revelation.
In fact, Kaneko also drew this version in Persona1:
On the other hand, Kaneko's SMT Satan is "the Serpent of Eden". Although it looks like a massive, alien-like creature, you can tell from the side profile that it’s actually a giant serpent with wings. Since the serpent was only condemned to "crawl on your belly and eat dust" after being punished by God, it is a common interpretation that, prior to this fall, the serpent possessed wings or limbs.
As for its breasts, I think it’s highly likely that Kaneko referenced these specific paintings. In certain artworks, the Serpent of Eden is depicted as a woman with a snake's body. So, when you look at it that way, a depiction of Satan with breasts isn't strange at all.
Adam, Eve, and a female serpent at the entrance to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, France. The portrayal of the image of the serpent as a mirror of Eve was common in earlier Christian iconography as a result of the identification of women as the ones responsible for the fall of man and source of the original sin.[
Raphael's 'Adam and Eve'
*On July 6th, Kaneko mentioned on Twitter the connection between Satan and the Serpent of the Garden of Eden. It seems that my speculation was correct.
Thanks to Twitter, now we can obtain more information about Satan's design by Kaneko.
In conclusion, this is my point. There is nothing strange about Kaneko's Satan having breasts. SMT Satan is a fusion of two distinct depictions of Satan: the winged serpent and the woman with a serpent's body. He then reimagined this concept using H.R. Giger's "Alien" art style.
anon who sent the ask about demon design advice here! i just wanted to thank you for the in-depth response, i really appreciate it! i know pop culture, classical art and fashion are big inspirations for a lot of the demons too, and it'll be fun to try to mix and match ideas. thanks again!
You're very welcome!
And in the time since you asked this, we got the perfect teachable crib/demon design example directly from Kaneko himself with Baal, which I think also confirms at least some of what I said in the previous demon designs post.
FORM
Of course, Baal is anthropomorphic in form, but in this case it's not just to fit the pattern of the other gods in the game, but because of the crib itself. This may sound stupid or even obvious, but if Baal took the form of ball lightning like KMT Zeus, he wouldn't be able to wear the Michael Jackson costume.
2. DEFINITION
Kaneko is aware that the Egyptian-style costume isn't accurate for Baal. Still, he chose to use it, probably in this case because it still looks suitably "ancient" and from the general region.
3. SIGNIFIERS
Besides the costume, Baal has a couple more accessories that define him that Kaneko commented on: his helmet and chalice. The chalice is because he's a "god of fertility/water,"so it's full of water, not wine or something. His helmet is fish-shaped because of Dagon and Oannes. *eyes shift nervously*
4. SILHOUETTE
The fish helmet and outstretched arm holding the chalice form a distinctive outline for Baal, a whole that still more or less works fine to this day.
anon who sent the ask about demon design advice here! i just wanted to thank you for the in-depth response, i really appreciate it! i know pop culture, classical art and fashion are big inspirations for a lot of the demons too, and it'll be fun to try to mix and match ideas. thanks again!
You're very welcome!
And in the time since you asked this, we got the perfect teachable crib/demon design example directly from Kaneko himself with Baal, which I think also confirms at least some of what I said in the previous demon designs post.
FORM
Of course, Baal is anthropomorphic in form, but in this case it's not just to fit the pattern of the other gods in the game, but because of the crib itself. This may sound stupid or even obvious, but if Baal took the form of ball lightning like KMT Zeus, he wouldn't be able to wear the Michael Jackson costume.
2. DEFINITION
Kaneko is aware that the Egyptian-style costume isn't accurate for Baal. Still, he chose to use it, probably in this case because it still looks suitably "ancient" and from the general region.
3. SIGNIFIERS
Besides the costume, Baal has a couple more accessories that define him that Kaneko commented on: his helmet and chalice. The chalice is because he's a "god of fertility/water,"so it's full of water, not wine or something. His helmet is fish-shaped because of Dagon and Oannes. *eyes shift nervously*
4. SILHOUETTE
The fish helmet and outstretched arm holding the chalice form a distinctive outline for Baal, a whole that still more or less works fine to this day.
Regarding the history of ancient Japanese shoes and Kaneko design
abtou Tsukuyomi Mephistopheles
I’m so sad for Kaneko. He shared on his latest youtube that he developed sciatica last year, and now he can barely walk without dragging his feet. It might not be fatal, but for a 60-year-old, mobility issues like this can be really dangerous. 😔
Demon King Nobunaga
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*Kaneko did not mention that the bow and arrow also originated from Shiva (even though Shiva was known to have used a bow and arrow in some myths). So I guess this was a weapon belonging to Oda Nobunaga himself.From his final battle in life
Do you do comms?
Sorry, I just noticed this now. I rarely use this function. At present, I don't accept this because this year is the 30th anniversary of Persona, and my schedule is already full. I have a lot of things related to the first Persona that I need to release. But perhaps starting from next year, I might consider doing some painting work.
Butterfly and Mask
Butterfly (by W.T. Benda, 1923) The prototype of Pandora(the first persona). Form Pandora1 to Pandora2. I think this design beautifully captures Maki’s heartbreaking wish to escape her hospital bed and finally take flight
W.T. Benda—The author of Butterfly(1923)—A preeminent figure of the 1920s art scene and a titan of mask-making, his theatrical and dance masks are hailed as immortal classics. From butterflies to masks, you can see how Kaneko drew inspiration from his art in Persona1 and 2.
金子一馬デザイン考察:「色」の話・LNC編
金子先生のインタビューによると、先生はキャラと悪魔の色に込めた意味にも強いこだわりがあるらしい。 ファンとして、私なりに分析を試みたいと思います。
*LNCの色が今回のテーマですが、もちろん先生の配色にはLNC以外の意味もあります、詳しくは今後の更新でね。
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Kaneko's Color Semiotics:Color of Law-Neutral-Chaos
The meanings he attributed to colors are not limited to LNC. There are many other cases as well, and I will continue to analyze them in the future.
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about Kaneko's Metatron
Kaneko just said that the SMT Metatron was inspired by Mordred's armor from the 1981 movie excalibur. This explains why Metatron has the metallic hair like a bronze statue. You can see that the differences between these two designs are huge. He almost completely redesigned the appearance of Metatron.I hope in the future he can tell us more secrets about his design.
*Kaneko also pointed out the unique feature of Metatron, because Metatron is not a pure angel, but was transformed into an angel by the human Enoch.This means that Metatron's exterior is mechanical and his interior is human. This is indeed just like humans wearing armor. I think this is why Kaneko didn't depict each angel as a robot. Because Michael and other Archangels are pure angel, while Metatron(and Sandalphon and Victor), like RoboCop, is a human wearing armor, a robot/cyborg.