[pro-survivors]

anti proship survivors are just as important as proship survivors

Correct! I've never said otherwise.

[pro-survivors]

Are antis still pro abuse if they've been abused?

yes, because being a survivor doesn't exempt you from being abusive or supporting abusive behavior

[pro-survivors]

also stop harassing people and maybe you wont get bombarded with anon asks :) just a thought

I've had two asks about this total LOL

My favorite animal is the capybara or hammerhead shrike.

[pro-survivors]

The fact you have the fucking audacity to send your little minions to harass someone is fucking disgusting

Proshipping not only makes it harder for those engaging in it to separate what's wrong and right but also creates a safe space for pedophiles to groom on those who have become an easy target

It may be a coping mechanism for some, but not all coping mechanisms are healthy !

If you were truly on survivors side you would be pro recovery for those who are actually struggling with these bad coping mechanisms

I'll admit, I got into some proshipping when I was younger, because I'm a survivor of sa and I thought it would help, I quickly realized romanticizing stuff like that is incredibly harmful to myself, it stops you from understanding what kinds of relationships are bad and good

I truly hope anyone who wants to recover from this harmful coping mechanism a successful journey, but those who engage and post that shit for others to see need to stop and do some self reflection.

I can't believe you are an adult and are engaged in this disgusting shit

You are a borderline pedophile if you as an adult think that shipping pedophilia, incest, etc is ok.

Anon doesn't have a favorite animal this is so sad for them...

[ao3downwhatnow]

While I don't label myself pro or anti shipper and like to keep to myself mainly.

why are pro shippers the loudest about hating squidge world. When the only difference between ao3 and that site is it has strict policy against Child Sexual Exploitation Materials. Like this is a good thing, ao3 should have it too. It doesn't.

Needs to be said why do you care if people want to leave ao3 over AI or simply want to cross post to another site.

Literally all over Twitter it's pro shippers shitting on it.

[pro-survivors]

Ao3 does have a strict policy against csem and removes it where it appears.

[flagsandtags]

proshippers actually fuck off no one loves u and ur actually fucking gross

[pro-survivors]

this hate post is ours now

Proshippers what's your favorite animal go

[aurum-stultus]

Also on the topic of proshipping, I think people should note that a good majority of proshippers are not only mentally unwell and need mental help, but were more than likely groomed by a proshit before them. Its weird just in general that we've normalized a 21yr old being besties with a 15yr old online, but it becomes even more dangerous when you have a normal, sane, decent adult old talking to kids so often that these impressionable kids are thinking they know internet safety and that they can trust the adults around them. Its shit like that that gets kids to trust the wrong people and then eventually become the wrong people themselves. Even a good adult can put a kid on a path to a bad one. Obviously thats not EVERY case, but you'll never catch me as a man in his twenties talking to a minor daily. That's also not to say you can't interact with a minor every now and then, like a post, draw a commission, debate video game lore, you just can't be out here talking to this kid so regularly that they don't know the difference between you, their friend of age, and their mother. Of course a child you've developed a bond with is going to think you can do no wrong and might even follow in your footsteps. Its just interesting how, in person, people are absolutely gonna bat at eye at a grown adult going on little playdates with a child, but when those age differences are converted into online spaces, people don't care as much?? Wild

[pro-survivors]

Holy shit, this post is a mess.

For one, having nonsexual relationships with people of a variety of ages is an essential part of development for teenagers and even for older children. I'm going to assume that by "normal, sane, and decent adult" you mean an adult who is maintaining appropriate topics of discussion with the teenager/older child in question and you're just phrasing that in the most ableist and saneist way possible.

If that assumption is true, then yes, they are modeling what appropriate online interactions with adults on social platforms looks like. That's not going to suddenly trick a teenager into believing an online predator and it's a patently ridiculous assertion to make. Interacting regularly with a teenager/older child will not make them confuse you for their parent or a peer, I promise. They are capable of telling the difference.

Your infantalization of 15 year olds as children going on paydays is both really fucking weird and really fucking disingenuous. Grow up.

[g-nesis2]

you were most definitely groomed

[pro-survivors]

Why do you think this is an okay thing to say to a stranger?

[pro-survivors]

interesting how in countries (such as canada) written/non visual sexual content about children is considered CP, is illegal and you can get 14~ years of jail time for creating it.

Yes, some countries have stricter censorship than others, although I'd like a source on written works being illegal. Do we allow laws to determine our morals for us now?

[pro-survivors]

I cannot imagine having a blog specifically to “criticize” media you dislike. Unless it was like, your job you’re getting paid for, or something. Just engaging with stuff you don’t like for…what? That can’t be good for your mental health.

To be fair, I criticize the media I consume as well. I read and review books and have absolutely picked up problematic books or ones I know I won't like to dissect and think about what I don't like.

Those blogs don't actually criticize anything. It's a maladaptive social space built around hating a thing and policing other people who engage with it, which is ripe for and prone to abuse.

[aurum-stultus]

Also on the topic of proshipping, I think people should note that a good majority of proshippers are not only mentally unwell and need mental help, but were more than likely groomed by a proshit before them. Its weird just in general that we've normalized a 21yr old being besties with a 15yr old online, but it becomes even more dangerous when you have a normal, sane, decent adult old talking to kids so often that these impressionable kids are thinking they know internet safety and that they can trust the adults around them. Its shit like that that gets kids to trust the wrong people and then eventually become the wrong people themselves. Even a good adult can put a kid on a path to a bad one. Obviously thats not EVERY case, but you'll never catch me as a man in his twenties talking to a minor daily. That's also not to say you can't interact with a minor every now and then, like a post, draw a commission, debate video game lore, you just can't be out here talking to this kid so regularly that they don't know the difference between you, their friend of age, and their mother. Of course a child you've developed a bond with is going to think you can do no wrong and might even follow in your footsteps. Its just interesting how, in person, people are absolutely gonna bat at eye at a grown adult going on little playdates with a child, but when those age differences are converted into online spaces, people don't care as much?? Wild

[pro-survivors]

Holy shit, this post is a mess.

For one, having nonsexual relationships with people of a variety of ages is an essential part of development for teenagers and even for older children. I'm going to assume that by "normal, sane, and decent adult" you mean an adult who is maintaining appropriate topics of discussion with the teenager/older child in question and you're just phrasing that in the most ableist and saneist way possible.

If that assumption is true, then yes, they are modeling what appropriate online interactions with adults on social platforms looks like. That's not going to suddenly trick a teenager into believing an online predator and it's a patently ridiculous assertion to make. Interacting regularly with a teenager/older child will not make them confuse you for their parent or a peer, I promise. They are capable of telling the difference.

Your infantalization of 15 year olds as children going on paydays is both really fucking weird and really fucking disingenuous. Grow up.

[sprinkleonthatcriticism]

And ofc, another proshit r##ard decided to disregard my DNI and reblog my post about BilDip being a pr0sh!p

Also, "Bill cipher does not have human morals" which yeah correct but I'm pretty sure Bill would NEVER do that to a kid. Give a minor a pile of deer teeth? Yeah. Still a kid's body to use as a puppet? Yeah. Try to kill a pair of children? Yeah. Have "relationships" with children? Fuck NO.. Plus, Alex, the creator of Bill would never write that sort of thing either (i hope that doesn't age poorly lol)

Anyways, do not harass the OP as much as a retard they are for saying that, they shouldn't be harassed or attack, instead simply block and report the person if possible.. do not engage with them

[pro-survivors]

antis, come pick up your ableist...

[2000swootie]

@ users on this site who want to be pro-nsfw and keep the internet from becoming a squeaky clean corporate hellscape: make peace with proshippers and profiction as a whole. I mean it, the internet will never be the pro-nsfw paradise you want it to be if you keep going "I'm for the internet being a weird place of creativity UNLESS you're one of those freaks that makes that kind of content"

[pro-survivors]

when you carve out exceptions they will be weaponized

[hjbender]

The Four Discoursemen

[pro-survivors]

lmao i wish people would stop saying words when they don’t actually know what they mean. like you said, gaslighting is a long-term and intentionally malicious tool of abuse, not a random blogger clarifying (not even contradicting!) something they said earlier. anyways what’s your favorite flower? 💖

I like hydrangeas!

[pro-survivors]

Weird how in most cases people recognize that rape doesn't happen because the perpetrator is sexually attracted to their victims but because they know the victim would be easy to assault and they just want power over someone else, until it comes to talking about CSA so you can get Internet Discourse Morality Points

children are some of the most disenfranchised people out there, with their entire lives controlled by other people who in many cases are only qualified to do so because they made that child, and people think that's not an inherent source of power imbalance?

It's disgusting.

[pro-survivors]

I'm a person who heavily dislikes inc*st and p*do ships, wishes people wouldn't advertise those ships as normal and cute (usually done w/out tagging, when it's tagged it's 100% fine cause I feel like tagging it as what it is brings awareness to the content it really is). But I recognise that people who create or consume this content (18+ of course. Minors shouldn't get to go in the dead dove convention) are not in the wrong at all and will never deserve any sort of harassment for the content they make. Sooo.... where would that put me on the anti - pro scale?

Being repulsed by a certain kind of content, whatever it is, but recognizing that harassment is not okay and taking care of yourself by blocking/muting tags/etc. is proship.

Nobody has to want to consume content they're repulsed by! Just don't abuse people for making it.

[pro-survivors]

hey quick question are you just as “pro survivors” when the survivor in question in an anti or was abused by a proshipper or you think only survivor that are convient to you exist?

being a survivor doesn't give you the right or the justification to abuse other people over fiction, actually.

If you have proof of a pro-shipper actually abusing an anti that isn't some fucked up rhetorical device please send it to me.