We are definitely not pro Jared!

(Previously Shipgrumps-equals-hashtag-boner)

[crearuru]

wait so you're telling me jirard admitted to holding onto everyone's charity donations and lying to them about having donated any of it for ten years and now he's suing the people who brought it to light? not a good look sir

[randomyounglady]

Mini rant about The Completionist charity issue:

Say we give him the benefit of the doubt on everything. Say he actually was looking for a good source, say there are no ulterior motives, and say the intention was to send all of it when a proper source was found. The money dating back to the early years of the charity has lost a lot of value due to inflation. The spending power that could have gone to dementia research back then has been greatly reduced. I point this out because it does not matter if that line of thought was the actual logic. His family's mismanagement of the funds actively removed value from the donations that they can never get back. This is sufficient enough, in my opinion, to at least incur charges. Of course malicious intent should be investigated and only charged for by proper channels, but removing this aspect entirely still reveals clear-cut wrongdoing that every fan who has ever donated should be mad about. The $5 little timmy gave in 2014 has not only not gone to dementia research like planned, but it became less valuable in the process. The impact of that donation, however small it was at the time, as been dampened. That is the worst part of this whole scenario.

[procancelled]

Hey, I'm currently selling a load of my old Game Grumps, NSP, and Starbomb stuff on ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134449491691?hash=item1f4dd06eeb:g:ypMAAOSwFvpj6Xid

(^ Example so you can check out the page ^)

Items I'm selling include:

All 3 Starbomb albums

5 Ninja Sex Party albums (Cool Patrol has the poster)

All 3 Under the Covers albums (2 are signed and come with posters)

Give Grumps t-shirt, poster, and Scare2Care t-shirt

Ninja Sex Party t-shirt and Starbomb Poster

Game Grumps 5 year anniversary t-shirt and Grump Heads t-shirt

All t-shirts are size small and women's cut. Most have been worn once, a few I've never worn.

[procancelled]

What are your thoughts on the situation going on?

The situation is complicated.

On the one hand I want to believe that Holly wouldn't lie about something like that. That she wouldn't use sexual assault allegations to her advantage and cause harm to actual victims. Plus, if she was just saying this to stop getting hate then it would have made sense for her to say it years ago when the whole situation with Jared started so this doesn't come across as her trying to gain something (although she did bring up being cancelled and everything so...).

On the other hand, Holly has shown herself to be an unreliable narrator. There's no evidence of her claims, and I'm not saying evidence is needed but in Ross' statement he claims to have evidence of text messages and to have witnesses, and said about legal action which explains why he hasn't just posted those things since lawyers would advise against that. Holly has just made tweets that she then quickly deleted. If I remember correctly their weren't any claims of evidence. Also, if this was the case then I'd assume Jared knew about this and even if they broke up on bad terms would support her, but then again Jared isn't a great person.

Plus, we know that her use of twitter has been erratic to say the least and she's been open about being mentally unwell (which Ross has also stated) so it could be that she's looking back on things with Ross and her brain is processing it differently. Dunno, could also be some kind of reaction to her and Jared breaking up but I don't know why she'd go after Ross, unless she thought it'd be easier since he never really comments on her drama and knows Jared will put up a fight. But I really hope she isn't that malicious of a person.

It's a difficult situation for me because again, I don't want to believe this is a situation of someone lying about abuse, but I'm also skeptical of Holly due to many of her past actions.

[procancelled]

I'm not able to reach out to trash witch coven but it looks like she needs some support. Jared's stans are hellbent on turning Tumblr into their echo chamber through harassment. Also, watch out for your blog too they may target you next.

Oops sorry. Ever since I blocked someone who was harassing me in my messages I haven't been getting notifications or emails for this account.

I did see the harassment and commend the way @trashwitchcoven handled it and of course they have my support and if they ever need any help or just a rant I'm here.

If any of Jared's (or Holly's) stans try harassing me they are just getting blocked cause I am not dealing with that shit.

[trashwitchcoven]

Sorry to bother but do you know where we can see the part of the stream where Ross was acknowledging legal issues?

Unfortunately, I do not. I tried to find it, but the VOD was either deleted or not posted on his twitch.

It's my understanding that it was like a split second mention, sort of like "I might pursue legal action, I don't want to talk about it further" kind of thing.

[procancelled]

https://m.twitch.tv/rubberross/clip/HilariousBoredJellyfishKappaWealth-SnER2i5lLqNr6ilj

Ross' statement for anyone who missed it. He claims that Holly was emotionally abusive and to leave her alone as she is mentally unwell. Says he has witnesses of her behaviour and that he is looking into options of what to do, including legal options.

[heidiofans]

Your boy occam is simping for you and attacking TWC for your honor, but you do nothing to tell him to stop. So much for you disapproving harassment, you're clearly okay with it so long as it's on "your side". You're the literal reason people still drag the drama around over 3 years later and you're happy with the attention you get for keeping it going.

I am not OK with harassment. I will never condone harassment of anyone.

However, one blog can talk about a disagreement they have with another blog without it being harassment. All of the active blogs on this topic are talking about the others. Unless it becomes clear that someone is phrasing a post with an obvious intent of sending people to the others, a disagreement is not in itself harassment. If Occam is doing such phrasing, it is wrong and they should stop. That is all I can say on the matter.

[trashwitchcoven]

“All of the active blogs on this topic are talking about the others”

I would just like it to be known that I had not talked about or to occamsrazorscooter since October of 2021, when I asked them repeatedly to leave me alone.  They are the ones who chose to ignore that repeated request (despite assurance that after 10/2021 they would no longer make posts about me unless it was to “tell his anons to fuck off”).

You cannot “IT’S ALL SIDES!!!” the issue when one of the sides wasn’t participating in the first place.

[procancelled]

Catching up on all of this and it's disgusting to see this harassment.

Also, it just speaks volumes to those who know about what Jared and Holly did, yet choose to still support them and bend over backwards to try and find ways to defend their actions.

[procancelled]

Hey just letting people know I'm selling my old Game Grumps and Ninja Sex Party merch.

My family need to fix our roof which is um, y'know, expensive cause we basically need a whole new roof

Anyway all of the t-shirts are unisex size small

Link

Link

[procancelled]

Follow up question, where I'll preface that I'm by no means trying to gotcha you here, just something I'm often curious about --- Do you think your perspective (obviously excluding Jared throwing the kids under the bus) might be different if it turned out Jared and Holly's side was accurate? Essentially, if Heidi was abusive of Jared during that time, would it change how you view his choices and mistakes, as well as her culpability in the blog?

If Heidi was abusive then yes I would call her out on it, but I'd still call out Jared because he still would of had a blog for his fans to send nudes to and still interacted in sexual ways with his fans. He would have still abused his power as a celebrity, and not really done anything to make sure that minors weren't involved. That doesn't change even if it turned out that Heidi was abusive.

[procancelled]

I do agree on the idea that Heidi approved Jared’s actions due to being in love with him and possibly not wanting conflict if she was vocally against it. I remember in Heidi’s text exchanges with Holly she would say she doesn’t want to deny Jared his fun, or something to that effect. She also stated she approved the blog on the base of body positivity. From there it seemed to evolve into something more (and the creation of multiple other blogs) and that’s where the line crossed.

Yeah, I think it was a situation of her not wanting to think badly of her husband, also most likely manipulation on his part, so she agreed to let it happen but then it all spiralled. Should she have agreed to the blog, no, even in terms of body positivity he made it clear he was running the blog so was using his power as a celebrity to his advantage, but again, I think she just wanted to believe that he wasn't a bad guy.

[procancelled]

So, because Heidi encouraged and participated in sending fans to the blog do you also think she's in the wrong?

Yes I do think she was wrong to do that, but I also think that she was in the tough situation of being in love with her husband and wanting to support him and be the 'cool' wife. She was manipulated by him and she did eventually shut it down, yet he continued. We don't know how much she actually knew about either, but she was complacent in some of it. Thing is I think she probably regrets it a lot more than Jared 'I'm sorry I got caught, also I blame the minors' Knabenbauer.

I am critical of some of the things Heidi did, but she is nowhere as bad as Jared and was in a shit situation where her husband was lying, manipulating and emotionally abusing her (allegedly)

[procancelled]

Thank you for keeping this blog up. It's so disheartening to see so many fooled by Jared and Holly. It disgusts me that they support what he did. I am having trouble understanding how so many public figures and people in general are okay with him taking advantage of his fame to solicit nudes and sleep with fans. I am so disappointed.

No problem, I haven't posted in a while, cus to be honest, I don't follow any people related to this situation and up until a few days ago I had a phone that no longer supported tumblr.

I also don't get it, but James Charles still has a platform and so many fans, as does Drake Bell, and so many other people who have taken advantage of their fans.

[procancelled]

Frankly, it's disappointing that this blog is just a cesspool of hate at this point. You're just looking for any reason you can to hate someone who already admitted to his faults and actually showed evidence against the allegations instead of just asking people to take his word. If all we're going to do is attack people for their past then nobody is safe. 

I'd like to bring up this post to reinforce my point: http://jaredhollyheiditruth.tumblr.com/post/187906090629/moving-forward-opinion-entry

However, knowing the toxicity of this blog itself, it'll be dismissed with some bullshit excuse and only prove the points said post made.

Obviously we have different opinions and that's not going to change.

Also, blaming minors for engaging with you sexually is really just not it, he shouldn't have been engaging in any kind of sexual content with his fans.

I'm not going to attack everyone for their past, but there's a difference between say, James Gunn's dodgy tweets and literally taking advantage of your fans for your spank bank. And three years ago wasn't that long ago and Jared did that for years, as early as I could trace things back was 2015/16

[trashwitchcoven]

Back to Projared, It still baffles me that just because he debunked the pedophile claims it means he’s no longer a creep who was trying to get nudes from fans (even if he just wanted adults or at least legal adults which is kind of sketchy considering an 18-19 year old is also a teen and he’s over 30) behind his wife’s back. If you want nudes then go seduce your wife or something.

I won't necessarily give him shit for wanting nudes - it's the manner in which he did so that bothers me. Attaching his name to it rather than just running an anonymous blog, to me, says that he was using his fame to get the nudes rather than it being the big "Pro-Body Positivity!" move that he and his fans claimed.

It's like, my guy, there are SO. MANY. free porn sites out there and women more similar in age to you that are INTO being exhibitionists. He wouldn't have had to give his name or reveal his identity; He could have just fapped it to these random women like everyone else and NOT destroyed his career in one fell swoop.

[procancelled]

No matter the age he was still a creep because he was using his fans as wank material. The power imbalance is real and I wonder how many people regret sending him nudes.

[procancelled]

Submission

Y'all seriously kept this going till January? Talk about free rent, his bitch ex still isn't going to fuck you.

Uh, I don't want to have sex with Heidi. If I'm attracted to someone y'all would know cuz I'd use them in reaction gifs a lot (case in point below). Also, Jared, and Holly, did a lot of fucked up shit that I don't think should be forgotten about and his lame ass apology was full of shit and passing off blame. I haven't posted on here in a while yet you choose to interact with me. How does it feel that I live rent free in your head?

[trashwitchcoven]

The one thing that annoys me the most about ProJared supporters is the way they try to force him down everyones throat. Seriously nothing annoys me more than when I'm somewhere completely unrelated to gaming there will be someone who will spam unfunny memes of Jared's stream or just bring him up randomly and when people express disgust they'll scream and dogpile you about how he's 100% innocent and how they're glad he's back. Are these clowns forgetting that he stopped being active on YouTube because he was busy sexting and fucking fans all while carrying on an affair? But all that doesn't matter because cancel culture aka consequence culture is the worst thing ever. Sorry for the rant.

Yeah, I get really sick of the “HE PROVED HIS INNOCENCE!” ones, like no-the-fuck he did not.  The only thing he proved is that he wasn’t outright asking minors for nudes directly - which I don’t think anyone ever thought he was doing.  We just said he was putting himself in a position to receive nudes on a website, frequented by the 13-30 age range, and should have been aware that minors were likely going to sneak past his “real quick, 18+ right?” age verification. 

Outside of that, he didn’t prove that he wasn’t abusing fame to get nudes.  He didn’t prove that he hadn’t had sex with at least one random fan (who even proved that Jared reached back out to her within the last year to year and a half, so...?).  He didn’t prove that he hadn’t been sneaking around with Holly behind Heidi’s back.

Literally, the only thing he proved is that he isn’t an outright pedophile.  Congrats on doing the bare minimum, I guess.

[procancelled]

ProJared: Shows off blogs with information about minors to try and prove that they're 'liars' and that he isn't wrong because 'they knew about sex'. Shows of literal fetish porn (of real people who he knows and was friends with) on one of the blogs. Puts all the blame on them/says they're lying because it 'doesn't sound like something he'd do' yknow, the man who made a blog to solicite nudes from fans, had fans send nudes to him and engaged in explicit conversations.

Me:

[trashwitchcoven]

half of hollys liked tweets are about how she's good and innocent, and that those coming after her like you are bad, terrible, etc. That's the only reason I'm suggesting that her apology might be bs.

I don’t know, man.  I need to believe in something good right now, that the world isn’t full of people who would be kind to your face and indirectly shitty behind your back, y’know?

[procancelled]

I think it's okay to believe it was her and that she apologised.

People just need to remember that one apology doesn't make up for everything a person has done. We can accept that Holly acknowledged her wrongs in this situation but it doesn't change the lack of apologies/taking accountability in other situations.

Also, I think we need to also continue to talk about the other person in the wrong for some of the things Holly has done, and other situations he has been involved in that don't really involve Holly, and that's Jared, who tried to pass off blame to the minors that sent him nudes and such, going as far as to expose their social media. He didn't really take accountability for taking advantage of his fans, went on about cancel culture despite criticisms of his actions being completely valid.