A collection of pro life receipts

No debates, just receipts. All posts archived here will be replied to with 'And on your left/right, an example in less than ____ words about how pro life has literally never been about preserving, protecting, or respecting life.' Because let's face it, life is the last thing on their minds.

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

"pro life is not about life" say the people who think aborting a scientifically proven life is okay, because your own sex lives are worth more than someone else's right to be alive

First off, four messages in ten minutes is a new record for this blog, lemme just say that. I’ll address each point seperately raised from all your questions:

This blog is here to prove that pro life people and the movement, as a whole, has nothing to do with protecting lives, caring for lives, or wanting people to live. I do this on this blog by collecting posts that amount to pro life people wishing violence on pro choicers, doctors, and people who get abortions, or posts that show a general disregard for the lives and wellbeing of people who are very much born and significantly more aware than fetuses (for example, refugee’s, black people, disabled people, rape and abuse survivors, LGBTQIAP+ people, etc.) Hence: Prolife is not about life. Because you generally do not give a single flying fuck about living people.

Second part of this ask: You have no understanding of why people are pro choice if you think it’s because we prioritize our sex life. It is about protecting our first and formost right: The right to self ownership, self governance, and bodily autonomy. The courts in the UN, Canada, and the USA have all found this right to trump the right to life -if such a right even exists.

No, it should not. The gestational age has absolutely nothing to do with anything after all, it is entirely about the fact that it is inside a persons body and organs, and that person has the right to decide if it gets to stay. Because that person owns their own body and all organs within it. This, naturally, includes the uterus.

Because of this ownership, they get to decide who may use said organs -including the uterus-, how it may be used, and for how long. A premature neonate is not using their parents internal organs, and therefore there is no reason why a person would need to kill it if they did not wish to parent.

There is also a HUGE difference between a 22 weeks gestational fetus, and a neonate who has been born 5 minutes ago at 22 weeks gestation. For one thing, the neonate is not inside a persons body or organs, and is now functioning as a fully autonomous individual. Yes, they will need life-support machines if born at 22 weeks gestation, but a machine is a far cry different than a person, and if you can’t see the difference you are hopelessly misogynistic at your core.

“Coincidentally a lot of abortions take place around 22 weeks”. Coincidentally an ultrasound takes place around that time. It’s a special one. It’s the one where the doctor tells you if your fetus will be viable at birth. As in, it’s the one that tells you if your potential child will have birth defects that are incompatible with life.

I also don’t know what number you consider to be “a lot” but in most countries where abortion is legal, abortion after 20 weeks consists of 2% or LESS of all abortions performed. Australia and Canada had the highest percentage at precicely 2%. For Australia, this consisted, in 2015, of 93 abortions total. Again, I don’t know what you consider ‘a lot’, but I do not think of as 2% as a lot, generally speaking.

I suppose it depends on what you consider life-saving. I consider poverty to be a life-threatening situation, particularly if you’re being forced to choose between your $25,000 pregnancy and delivery, and your food and rent on your $10,000/year income.

You have also said “We don’t change the rules for rare exceptions”, are you saying that life-saving abortions must also be illegal? Welcome to your place on the blog! If you do not care about the lives and well being of pregnant people, then your ideology is not based on your deep concern for life, because you have just disregarded the lives of people. Why does a pregnant persons life matter less than a fetuses?

Ableism, stay classy!

For the record: I am a sex-repulsed asexual. This means I not only have no interest in sex, I am actively repulsed by the idea of having it. Any form of it. My girlfriend couldn’t get me pregnant anyways if I was able to work to a place where I was comfortable having sex with her. So, there goes your theory. I, a person with no desire to ever have sex in my entire life, am pro choice. I, a person with a uterus who is dating another person with a uterus, am pro choice. Come up with a new theory on that one, because yours is so far off base I’m actually amused.

I will tell you why I am pro choice though: Because I believe people own their bodies. That’s it. Literally, I just think people have the right to control what happens to and inside of their individual bodies at all times, with no exceptions. You can come up with all the theories you want, but that is the truth. I legitimately just support peoples most basic human right. The right to full ownership of their own bodies.

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

You reblogged a post where oleanderwasp says that a woman who aborts should be slammed against the wall and shot. Fun fact! Oleanderwasp is also violently homophobic, transphobic, and a holocaust denying white supremacist antisemite. I'm not exaggerating.

I wish I could say I was surprised, but honestly, I never am when they turn out to be all-around bigots

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

"A total of only 1 person per YEAR is actually killed in an abortion" do you have a source for this because I would love to shove it in prolifer's faces

Honestly I had one and have since lost it and can’t track it down anymore, but considering the major complication rate is only 0.23% (and that includes a LOT more than just death) and there are, according to the 2010 numbers 765,651abortions per year, we can easily extrapolate that the death rate, which is lower than the major complication rate by a lot, is pretty tiny compared to all other medical procedures.

.23% of 765,651 is 1761 (rounded up to nearest whole number) major complications, which again, includes blood transfusions, hospitalization, and surgery, not just death. This rate is actually lower than the risk of major complications during a colonoscopy. Or having your tonsils out. Or child birth.

The most recent data I can find is from 2008 and is from the CDC, which found a death rate of 0.64 people people dying per 100,000 abortions which is again, fewer than any other medical procedure, and 2008 is a year with an oddly high number of reported deaths compared to other years (A total of 12 investigated, but I can’t find how many were actually confirmed).

Pro life sites like to lie (who is surprised tho) and say the chance of complications are about 10% which is false, all unbiased sources say the chance of a complication is 2.1%, with 0.23% chance of serious complications (i.e. needing surgery, a blood transfusion, hospitalization, etc.).

So my findings this time are a bit different (And that may have been in response to a specific statement but I honestly have no idea what post you’re referencing in this ask so I’m just assuming it was in response to something some ignoramus said)

[raisedbyascorpio]

from:  10 common myths about abortion that need to be debunked

Link: 

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

ON your left, pro lifers prove that they have no concept of what a “myth versus reality” article should look like, as they have attempted to claim facts are incorrect by stretching things to fit their ignorance. Some more commentary below:

So, the fact that this is lifesitenews aside, lifesitenews being WELL known and thoroughly proven to have made up blatant lies, and even fake doctors to make their stories sound more credible, I decided to take on this ‘myth’ and “fact” about abortion thing:

“Myth”: Abortion is safe “Fact″: PP was caught on video lying about safety!!

Real fact: Statistics do actually show that abortion is the safest medical procedure available when performed someplace other than someones kitchen (aka: legal abortions are VERY safe). A total of only 1 person per YEAR is actually killed in an abortion. More people die having their tonsils out. Yes, sometimes shit happens and there is a risk of complication with any surgical procedure. That doesn’t make the statement “Abortion is a safe procedure” untrue, it doesn’t erase the FACT that abortion is safe, because a safe procedure is one with a low complication/death rate. Which is what abortion has. A low complication/death rate. It is safe. Get over it.

A small risk does not make it unsafe. If that’s the case, sedation dentistry is unsafe because occasionally someone will die. Seriously, this is just pathetic of you at this point.

“2. MYTH: Abortion doesn’t kill a person. REALITY: The preborn are human.”

The real facts: “person” and “human” are not synonymous. They do actually have different definitions now in the academic world, and that’s a fact you gotta get over. Neither of them are interchangeable. A person is a being that is sentient, self aware, bodily autonomous, and can suffer is some form. Human is nothing more, nor less, than containing human dna.

No one is saying human fetuses are not human. But saying they are not people is not somehow a myth or incorrect either. ALL scientific evidence to this point has pointed to them being non-persons. Again, get over it, it’s a fact.

“3. MYTH:  “Pro-abortion” and “pro-choice” are different. REALITY: If you support abortion, you are “pro-abortion.”

This one I agree with. You HAVE to support abortion as an option if you want to call yourself pro choice. People don’t make the mistake of dividing them because they don’t want to “face the cold hard facts” though, they do it because they still stigmatize abortion and do not understand that it’s perfectly okay to be pro abortion and that pro abortion does not mean ‘forces people to have abortions’.

“4. MYTH: It’s okay if you are opposed to abortion, but don’t enforce that on anyone else! REALITY: Abortion denies a child of the most basic human right.“

The actual facts: No one has the right to use another persons body or organs without that persons continuous consent. Being denied the use of someone elses body doesn’t deny a fetus jack shit. Fetuses also aren’t children, your emotional manipulation is showing.

“5. MYTH: Guys don’t have a say on abortion.

REALITY: Men do have the right to choose life for their child.”

Actual facts: Ejaculating inside someone doesn’t grant you the right to make decisions about their body, or organs, nor does it give you the right to invalidate their decision. Men do have a say on an abortion when it is their pregnancy, and only then do men get a say. (as in, the fetus is in his uterus, in his body. He has the right to decide whatever he likes in this instance as it is HIS body that he is making a decision about, not someone elses. I am aware, however, that you’re trying to say a CIS man should be allowed the right to make decisions concerning and on behalf of a pregnant cis woman).

Again, get over the fact that cis men do not get to own the people they ejaculate inside of anymore. It’s not sexist to say that either. There is nothing sexist about telling someone that they do not get to make medical decisions about OTHER PEOPLE when that person has chosen otherwise.

“6. MYTH: Birth control doesn’t cause abortion or hurt women. REALITY: Science continues to discover additional harmful effects of hormonal birth control.”

Real facts: While birth control can have negative side effects, here’s a surprise twist for you: SO CAN EVERYTHING ELSE. Literally everything on this planet could kill someone, give someone cancer, or have serious side effects on them. Peanuts can kill people. Cat’s can kill people. Pregnancy can kill people. In fact, PREGNANCY is much more likely to have lasting, negative effects on a person than hormonal birth control.

Likewise, this claims that hormonal birth control will prevent a blastocyst from implanting... which is true, assuming it failed to prevent ovulation, which it also does. HBC prevents ovulation first and foremost, and as a back up will attempt to prevent implantation. This is not, however, an abortion, chemical or otherwise. Abortion is a termination of a pregnancy, and pregnancy begins at IMPLANTATION, not at fertilization. Likewise, because a huge number of blastocysts are rejected naturally, birth control actually SAVES more blastocycts than it destroys as it prevents most of them from ever existing. 

“7. MYTH: Abortion is a basic right.

REALITY: The “right” to kill another human being is never a right.”

The actual facts: Abortion is a basic right. Because deciding who may or may not use your body, how long they may use it, and how they may use it is a basic human right. That is what abortion is protecting. Also, a fetus is not a human BEING. Human, yes, but it is not a person.

Also, claiming it’s never a ‘right’ to kill a person... well... I guess you’ve never heard of self defence then huh? It’s PERFECTLY within my right to kill a person who is attempting to violate one of my basic human rights -specifically my right to personal security, aka bodily autonomy- and I will face no criminal sanctions for such an act. Again, stop ignoring the facts.

“8. MYTH: If you’re a feminist, you need to support abortion. REALITY: True feminism defends the preborn.“

Actual facts: If you are a feminist, fighting to strip people of their rights disqualifies you as a feminist. You cannot call yourself a feminist while fighting to remove peoples basic human rights because that is an anti-feminist thing to do. It is not possible to say “I’m a feminist” if you are pro-life because it is NOT FEMINIST to do so.

Pro-life feminism is a lie, it is a hypocritical statement, it is a beautiful example of cognitive dissonance. It is contradictory to say you believe people should be equal, and then attempt to strip half the populations most basic human right.

“9. MYTH: Abortion is a simple, easy procedure. REALITY: Abortion is anything but.“

The actual facts: A ‘simple, easy procedure’ in medical terms is a procedure where they can perform the procedure relatively quickly, with generally low risk. Abortion IS a simple procedure to perform, compared to other medical procedures, such as valve replacement, tumor removal, organ transplant, etc. Appendectomies are considered simple, easy procedures, but if you describe them step by step then they sound more complicated to someone who has never performed one.

Claiming they are complicated because they have more than one or two steps sometimes is reaching. And considering the steps for some abortions are ‘ultrasound, take two pills, ultrasound a couple days later’, like, you really have no way to claim this is anything BUT a simple procedure.

“10. MYTH: First trimester abortions are better than late-term ones. REALITY: There is no “better” time to kill a human being.“

Actual facts: Earlier abortions are EASIER on everyone. They are physically easier on the person having them, they are easier to provide as a doctor. No abortion is ‘better’ because abortion is neither bad nor good, not because ‘all abortions are ebil!!’ like you are claiming.

Most of the ‘myths’ presented are actually facts, most of your facts are reaches or a blatant lie or a twisting of the truth or simply ignoring reality. In short: This article receives an F-.

[reginaeinferos]

If you care more about the life and safety of an embryo and not the life and safety of a Syrian refugee, adult or child, you’re not pro-life.

[prolife21]

I care more about the life and safety of an UNBORN CHILD because they are not potential terrorists trying to kill all of us. Dumbest argument I’ve ever read.

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

And on the next stop on our tour, yet another pro lifer proves that pro life has nothing to do with protecting the sanctity of life, and further proof that pro lifers do not consider safety or life to be remotely of any importance unless you happen to be a fetus

[shitantichoiceprotesterssay]

BECAUSE. YOU. ARE. NOT. HAVING. THE. ABORTION. DUDE. 

You don’t have any rights over the contents of someone else’s body. 

It doesn’t matter what you did to put it there. 

Also that little drama at the end there.  Pffffft. 

Look, I know it sounds callous, but these people will use any kind of emotional manipulation to get you to do what they want.  

This is just another example. 

[saint-ambrosef]

“contents”. I’m sorry, at what point did science conclude that a child in the womb is equivalent to the term of contents, as we might prescribe to the insides of our stomach? Here’s a clue: never.

It doesn’t sound callous: it sounds cruel and hating. Pro-choicers use emotional manipulation all the time to encourage women to commit abortions. “You can’t support it.” “It’ll get in the way of life.” “It won’t have a good life.”

That man may not be having the abortion, but that doesn’t make him any less of a parent trying to save his child.

[oleanderwasp]

the cunt who killed your child should be slapped agasint a wall then shot in the head 

[shitantichoiceprotesterssay]

Nothing says pro-life like a death threat. 

[reproductivejusticeandliberty]

More receipts. -V

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

And here we have @oleanderwasp demonstrating nicely for us that pro life has literally never been about ‘life’ or the protection of it. Particularly since they have a few posts on their blog saying all Jewish people should be lined up and shot. Please report this one for suggesting murder and promoting genocide all!

[bill-11b]

Abortion is always wrong and is the ultimate evil because it kills a human life but deliberately killing thousands of civilians (as long as they are not american of course) is totally ok. Never mind some of those civilians may have been pregnant and carrying fetuses. I guess only american lives are the only lives that count as human lives.

Gonna assume these are all the same person….Nice cultural relativism there. As it turns out Americans =/= Iraqis, Syrians, Afghans/Pashtuns, or American infants. A mother choosing to end an inconvenient child =/= killing savages that refuse to enter the 18th century and choose to export violence around the globe. I enlisted to serve America and America’s interests and to protect Americans and our way of life - and if securing and defending that way of life costs every drop of middle eastern blood. So. Fucking. Be. It.That isn’t what I want, not even close. But I will not allow America to be destroyed in the name of fucking tolerance and whatever other liberal bullshit policies you think will appease them into loving us. If it comes down to total war, that will be their choice, not ours. 

[reproductivejusticeandliberty]

“Pro lifers”, ladies and gents. -V

[bill-11b]

Cool response dude.

The opinion of someone who supports the genocide of infants means less than shit to me. Cool tags though “violence tw” “islamophobia” “xenophobia” what a fuckin fag.

[reproductivejusticeandliberty]

And you support the genocide of living, breathing human beings. I didn’t think my opinion would mean anything to you, but I want others to know how asswipes like you actually think. -V

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

And on your right, yet more proof that pro life is not and has never been about protecting life or about innocent lives!

[rakhma-agape-ahavah]

Yes, let's shut down all abortion clinics so then women shove metal hangers up their vaginas to kill the baby and possibly accidentally killing themselves, very smart👏🏻 #dumbass

Abstinence. The Pill. Condoms. Adoption. There are literally so many other choices.

Y’all act like if there were no abortions, there would be an epidemic of women everywhere just shoving knives and forks up there or throwing themselves down staircases.

[fuck-liberal-morons]

The op spelled out a fabulous example of natural selection if you ask me…

[spinalgalloway]

If you are so determined to murder your child that you will stick a coat hanger up your vagina, you deserve what you get.

[moriah-explains-it-all-blog]

So basically you’re saying you don’t really care about the born people, just fetuses, right? I mean, just so we’re clear that that’s what you’re admitting to saying.  Because I really need all my followers to see this wondrous Prolife Compassion® so they can see the truth of the people who claim to care about them AND their fetus. ;) 

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

And on your right, yet MORE proof that pro life has never once been about preserving, protecting, or respecting life!

[evilfeminazis-blog]

No Sympathy

I cannot and will not sympathize with women who want and get abortions. If the child was not causing harm to her body, or the produvt of sexual assault, I see no reason to abort the baby. There are countless ways to prevent unwanted births. You can buy comdoms from the fucking gas station. Not to mention birth control, pulling out, and the morning after pill. Abortion is murder, point blank period.

[antichoice-compassion]

Why do you have an exception for assault? I already know the answer, but humor me, I have to ask every time you guys contradict yourselves with your “exceptions.”

-Kayo

[evilfeminazis-blog]

If you are raped I do not believe you should be held responsible for the child if you are inpregnated. For some women the baby can be a reminder of the encounter. I am not contradicting myself with exceptions. My place in the argument stands firm. If you willingly have sex with someone, you have to live and nurture the outcome of the encounter. I dont know If you expexted me to spout nonsense based on my personal feelings, but im sorry to dissapoint you.

[antichoice-compassion]

So you just want to punish people for consensual sex, it has absolutely nothing to do with the life of the fetus. Because if you did care about the life of the fetus, you would have no exceptions since there is no biological difference. The only difference is the circumstances in which they were conceived.

-Kayo

[thecynicalhippie-blog]

Because pregnancy is all a DFAB are food for, obviously.

[apersnicketylemon]

Considering this person is comparing feminism, a movement at it’s core for equality, to the Third Reich, a movement dedicated to committing genocide and wiping out an extraordinarily large portion of the human race, I wouldn’t expect any consistence from them.

People who think they can compare anything other than nazi’s to the nazi’s aren’t typically people who put a whole lot of thought into what they say and do. You can see that with the callous way they’ve compared thousands of Romani, Jewish and Black feminists to the people who tried to eradicate them.

There’s a lot of anti-semitism today it seems.

As Kayo said though, this person clearly doesn’t give a shit about the life of the fetus itself, it’s truly just about punishing people for sex that op didn’t personally approve of.

[brookethebasicwhitegirl-deactiv]

Thoughts

I believe that if you have an abortion you should not be allowed to have any other children after that. You can’t pick and choose which babies you want and which ones you are going to bring into the world. So if you get pregnant have your baby and raise it or put it up for adoption. If you don’t want your baby then have an abortion, but then YOU DONT DESERVE ANOTHER CHANCE. You lost your chance to have a baby when you threw your baby in the garbage. Every LIFE matters.

[antiprolife]

61% of people having abortions already have at least one child, and 34% already have two or more.

What about those people? Are you going to come and snatch up some loved and cared for children because their parent knew they wouldn’t be able to support a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th child and made the responsible decision to have an abortion? 

What about people who had abortions for health and safety related reasons? “Oh, sorry, it says here you didn’t risk your life to carry an unviable fetus to term and give birth to it. Looks like you’re not worthy of having a family!” 

Why should a person who made the decision to have an abortion early on in life, before having any children, be banned from having children in the future? How does “I can’t be pregnant or support a child at this particular point in my life” translate to not being capable or deserving of loving and caring for a child when they are actually able to?

How would we implement a rule like this? Would we just forcibly sterilize everyone during their abortion without their consent? What about people who had abortions before this rule was put into place? Are they off the hook, or do they get rounded up and forcibly sterilized as well? 

Having an abortion is not “throwing your baby in the garbage” and it is disgusting to insinuate that it is. There are people in this world who actually do throw their babies into the garbage and these kinds of things can be prevented with education and safe, affordable access to abortion. 

Abortion is a safe and legal medical procedure. Why should we punish people for making their own decisions about their own body in a completely legal manner?

[thecynicalhippie-blog]

This is how you know how much pro-lifers fucking hate pregnant people.

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

And on your right, a pro lifer who demonstrates pro life is not about life, but rather punishing people who got pregnant.

[geekandmisandry]

Shout out to abortion doctors.

So many of you put your lives and safety on the line, looking for loopholes, fighting laws and outright ignoring them in favour of the welfare of pregnant people and their right to a safe abortion.

[ldevstuff-deactivated20170216]

THEY ARE MURDERERS AND SHOULD BE IMPRISONED FOR THAT OFFENCE-AS SHOULD ANY WOMAN WHO WANTS A BABY MURDERED

[geekandmisandry]

Murder is a legal definition. Go fist yourself ❤

[ldevstuff-deactivated20170216]

misanderist vermin like you should be force fed rat poison til you cease to breathe. YOU ARE BABY MURDERING SCUM

[geekandmisandry]

Yeah, you seem like you hella value life. Byeee!

[samanticshift-deactivated202404]

did ldevstuff just say we should imprison anyone who wants an abortion? lol

[geekandmisandry]

And that people who are pro-choice should be murdered. Aren’t “pro-lifers” just lovely?

[reproductivejusticeandliberty]

“I’m so pro-life I think you should be killed.” -V

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

And on your right, @ldevstuff is yet more proof that pro life has never been about preserving, protecting, or respecting life!

[prochoiceforages]

Reblog/Like if you are Pro-Choice!

If not, then how many unwanted children will you adopt when abortion is illegal? How many women’s hospital bills will you pay for due to dangerous, self-induced, illegal abortions?

[man2saveus-deactivated20161109]

I worked at a #PlannedParenthood clinic in Kansas for 3 years. My coworkers & I were subjected to the following acts of terrorism:

— Bryn Greenwood (@bryngreenwood) November 30, 2015

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

Hey guys, please do not use the messaging system to submit examples, use either the submit with a screen cap or a link. Thanks very much!

[sweetpeachikadee]

*~32,000 people die from gun violence in the U.S. every year*

Obama: guns are dangerous and should be banned!!

*over a million babies die from abortion in the U.S. every year*

Obama: fund ALL the abortions!!!

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

And on you left another example about how pro life has literally never been about preserving, protecting, or respecting life. Because apparently 32,000 people dying don’t matter, even though all of them were former fetuses!

[paraxylene-blog]

Millions of humans killed at planned parenthood:  Nobody bats an eye.

Attack happens near planned parenthood: Everybody loses their minds.

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

And on your right, another pro lifer proves in 20 words about how pro life has literally never been about preserving, protecting, or respecting life.

[saturdaymorning]

https://twitter.com/slyflyandhigh/status/670361096365015040 he is open about his hatred for women. He also said he thinks any woman who gets an abortion deserves the death penalty.

[prolifeisnotaboutlife]

And on you left, yet another pro lifer proving in less than 25 words about how pro life has literally never been about preserving, protecting, or respecting life.