some people say simon bothers them and that he’s selfish which yes, he can be, i probably would be too, BUT ITS ALL FOR MADDIE. he just WANTS HER BACK and no one EVER listens to him. they moved maddie when he said NOT to. they didn’t even GO BACK to find him. he’s been grappling with almost this mess for TWO SEASONS and i still don’t feel like people give him credit for it, sometimes not even maddie herself. and now he could be STUCK for all we know and him and maddie are still apart and just UGH no one understands you like i do simon elroy
no bc this boy is the ULTIMATE ride or die, I will NOT tolerate any slander to his name bc if I go missing I need someone to ride for me like Simon rides for Maddie bro
Please tell me I wasn’t the only one full on sobbing when Wally saw that door…ugh, the music, the cinema 💔 its been a while since I’ve genuinely cried over a show
omfg WHY does every show have to kill off beloved characters just for “shock factor?” I am so sick of it. We watched OBX for good, happy vibes and bc of the pouge’s friendship and now it’s just like every other show trying to have some “deeper meaning.” WRITERS, YOU DONT HAVE TO FUCKING KILL CHARACTERS TO MAKE US CARE ABOUT THEM!!!! ITS OKAY TO NOT BE REALISTIC SOMETIMES!! ITS OKAY TO HAVE HAPPY UNREALISTIC ENDINGS WHERE EVERYONE LIVES!!
Stop this shit in the name of feminism. This is truly insulting. Feminism doesn't mean hating your femininity, being a warrior, or act selfishly. Just wearing pants doesn't make you a feminist. The first clause in feminism is to have the ability to choose and to respect and appreciate all women. A feminist woman feels for other women, so she won't run away with Someone's husband Just because of love. Do not spread your hatred towards women. Like Elia Martell, Catelyn Stark and Alicent Hightower, just because they decided to do their duty.
“A son for a son!” oh just you wait, you inbred audacious psycho.
I love Jace, but I can't wait to see Rhaenyra suffer. I hate her so much, she has no brain, no attitude to rule.... what a idiotic character
Team Rotten Cucumber Color thinks they're incredibly funny when they laugh at Jace's death. You know, the Jace who got on his dragon and went into real combat to save his little brothers, and died along with his dragon. But they believe that Daeron, who died crushed by the burning tent, and Aemond, who in terror tried to unfasten himself from the saddle before being pierced by a sword like a shish kebab, died the death of heroes… Those who slaughtered entire cities and burned the realm. To whom Aegon wanted to build great golden monuments while the realm was in war and famine. Because, you know, they have "brains and the ability to rule." Obviously…
And they think the death of these "inbred bastards" is funny, because you know incest, haha hihi, but… I guess they don't know that the children of the niece and uncle are much less "inbred" than the children of siblings 🤔 (Before someone says "Rhaenyra wanted it, Aegon didn't!" let me remind you that Aegon was the heir of absolutely nothing, so he didn't need heirs and didn't have to consummate the marriage… like Daemon and Rhea for example.)
Does that mean that since "the children are inbred" and the parents are "audacious psychos" that means we can make fun of their deaths? In that case, the deaths of Jaehaerys, Jaehaery and Maelor should also be hilarious jokes, because they are also "inbred freaks of nature".
Have you seen TB's posts about "You want revenge, not dignity? Oh just you wait, you rapist audacious psycho. You'll get revenge! (Here's a picture of Jaehaera thrown out of the window/Maelor torn apart by the crowd)". Strangely enough, I don't 🤔
poor pitiful greens, who would’ve been slaughtered had Rhaenyra taken the throne. They had every right to usurp her because obviously they and their children deserve to live…obviously they deserve to live more than Jace, Luke, little Joffery, Aegon, Viserys, Baela and Rhaena who also would’ve been slaughtered had the Greens succeeded, right?
It kills me when people say that the greens would have been slaughtered had Rhaenyra taken the throne because they were too much of a challenge and use that to justify usurping her. Like you do realize…if they’re a challenge to Rhaenyra and her kids then it’s vice versa? If they can’t live while Rhaenyra reigns then that means Rhaenyra’s kids can’t either. But apparently it’s okay for Jace, Luke, Joffery, Viserys, Aegon, Baela and Rhaena to die if it means your favs get to win. All of a sudden, you’re okay with children dying if it means a man can now rule Westeros. A woman and her innocent children dying is okay to you because what? It’s “normal for a woman to rule?” Aegon should be King because…he’s a man? Because Viserys spent years advocating for him, right? Because this rapist, abuser piece of shit and his psychotic brothers who burned millions and allowed for the rape of little girls are somehow better than their sister who only raised taxes?
Alicent can fear for her children’s lives against the woman who’d never even think about harming them, but Rhaenyra can’t fear for her kids—who Alicent literally tried to get executed for years?
And don’t give that bullshit: the Greens would never!
Uh, canonically, they did! Unprovoked! Before they even got the fucking throne! They did it with Rhaenys and Luke—who, no matter much you call him Strong, is still related to them from Rhaenyra. Team Green has personally harmed their own family, their own blood in broad daylight and have celebrated doing so, so what makes you think they’d spare the rest? What honestly makes you think they’d let them live? Luke was a child, so no, even the children wouldn’t be spared.
Alicent has spent over twenty years fear mongering and terrorizing her own children to the point where it just could not happen. They would execute every single one of the Team Black kids down to Visenya if she had lived.
Yes they would’ve killed two year old little Aegon and Viserys and they’d have been happy to do it. Lest we not forget these are the same people who threw a party, canonically, when Luke was killed so…yeah. Aemond and Daeron probably would’ve forcibly married Baela and Rhaena and raped them…But that’s okay to you people, right? Because at least it isn’t happening to the fucking misogynist Greens who didn’t deserve the throne anyways.
The difference between them and Rhaenyra is that she has never given any indications that she thinks Kinslaying is right. Book or show, Rhaenyra understands the weight of such titles and what it would mean. She understands it would forever stain the name Targaryen if she killed not one, but SIX members of her own family. Obviously it’s this fucking Rhaneyra that would’ve killed them all though, right? It’s Rhaenyra, and not the Greens or her idiot brothers who canonically been classified as Kinslayers and usurpers, who would not have let TG live.
Book or show, you cannot even argue that they’re not Kinslayers because hopefully even TG stans aren’t so delusional to outright deny what we’ve seen. Which means that YES, they would’ve killed all those kids and then used their big scary dragons to terrorize anyone who didn’t agree—as they did the exact same media you’re seeing them in.
In the same book or show, nothing ever indicates that Rhaenyra would kill them. In fact, she actively gives them a chance to bend the knee after they kill her son, and furthermore, she does not spend years terrorizing her children with the idea they’ll be slaughtered so they have to kill the other side, even the children, because if not they’ll do the same to them.
The only difference in this scenario is that the people who raised the TB kids would have spared the Greens, while the people who have been raised to be hateful and spiteful against even the innocent people in their family would’ve given the TB kid’s death not second thought.
You guys simply don’t understand the tabooness of Kinslaying, and it’s becoming a popular trend that people think you can just get away with it and nothing will happen. You cannot just go around killing people of your own fucking family with no consequences. No matter how delusional you and Alicent might be, it cannot happen without major consequences. It’s the main reason majority of Westeros DID NOT support the greens bc it’s an AWFUL thing to do. There is nothing worse to the people of Westeros than a Kinslayer, not even a rapist. It is the ultimate crime to commit and it shows your lack of understanding of this world if you think Rhaenyra would just do this. Even if you don’t like her, her character was described as someone that would NEVER.
Meanwhile, you know who went down in history for doing this? Not once but twice? And one of those was a child? You know who still fucking did and was willing to keep doing it until an entire side of their family was wiped out?
The Greens.
The difference between them and Team Black is that TG spent twenty years harboring hate for a woman and her kids who did not even give them a second thought. It’s almost laughable how unimportant they were to Rhaenyra until the day they killed her son. The day Aemond killed Luke and Aegon threw a feast to celebrate the worst crime imaginable to a Kingdom he was supposed to rule, is the day you should’ve realized how different and how much more deserving Rhaenyra Targaryen is compared to her monster brothers.
I do not fucking care that Alicent was young and dumb and manipulated once. The women who poisoned her own children, the woman who was willing to kill a fucking newborn and said I quote,
“I hope the whore dies in childbirth.” Was a grown ass adult and would not show an inch of mercy. Even show!Alicent would have no choice, because it was her idiot planning that put her psychopath of a son in the ultimate position of power so she couldn’t even stop it if she tried.
So tell me, what makes you think Helaena, Aemond, Aegon (who were all adults during the dance, mind you), Jaehaera, Maelor, and Jaehaerys deserve to live more than Jace, Luke, Joffrey, Baela, Rhaena, Aegon, Viserys, Visenya (possibly), or anyone that stood as a threat to Aegon’s reign?
Surely you can’t say it’s because Jaehaera, Maelor, and Jaehaerys are just children.
You root for the one Team whose succession will end up with them all dead, as canonically it did, instead of the woman that would’ve spared them. Book or show, there’s never any evidence she would harm them unlike the literal people you root for. There’s only one scenario where everyone lives and it’s when Rhaenyra Targaryen sit the throne. Because we’ve seen how well it turned out for those kids and everyone when she was usurped, so rooting for Team Green bc you want to ‘spare the children’ is a contradiction in itself.
Or, just say you’re a misogynistic asshole like we already know and be done with it.
there’s just something about people saying that helaena deserves to be married to jace instead of baela because she deserves one of the few good men in Westeros, as if baela—who jacaerys actually likes, mind you—doesn’t deserve that as well
like idk, helaena and jace shippers just irritate me because he wouldn’t even like that girl. he’d be nice to her and that’s it, but book and show jace is NOT attracted to girls who act like helaena
When are y’all gonna get it through your heads that no one actually cared if the Velaryon boys were bastards or not? They could have come out with white hair, violet eyes, the whole shebang and the rumor still would have been spread because it was meant to undermine RHAENYRA and her claim, nothing else!!
It was a misogynistic attempt to paint her as reckless and irresponsible and another way for the greens to push for Aegon. It was fear mongering, meant to say “Hey! Choose Aegon because you guys don’t want a bastard on the throne, right?” And it didn’t fucking work, save for on the idiot audience that still eats this shit up and genuinely believes that the dance happened bc Harwin and Rhaenyra weren’t married, rather than realizing the whole theme is MISOGYNY!! ITS ABOUT USURPING A WOMAN NO MATTER WHAT SHE DOES, SOLEY BC SHES A WOMAN AND NOTHING ELSE!!
If she had no kids = Vote for Aegon cause she’s barren!!
If she had kids = Vote for Aegon cause they’re bastards!!
If she has kids that look exactly like her = Vote for Aegon bc her kids are clearly Daemon’s bastards am I right? Vote Aegon bc he’s clearly the more responsible of the two with his trueborn kids!!
It. Does. Not. Matter.
And it makes me so mad, especially when people say that the realm wouldn’t have accepted Jace like DUDE. Nobody is just casually going around saying these kids are bastards, save for the people that KNOW they can get away with it if they’re caught bc Viserys wouldn’t dare punish them. Aka:
Alicent, Otto, and her nightmare kids. That’s it. No, some random Lord in the Reach wasn’t preaching about Jace, Luke, and Joff being bastards. I sincerely hate to burst your bubble (NOT!) but you guys as an audience care more than the actual people that live in this world and it’s so funny.
Basic media literacy will tell you that NO, Westeros did not care. How do I know? Well it’s simple really. If they cared then majority of them simply wouldn’t pledge to support Rhaenyra, clearly knowing that Jace is her heir??
I mean, these are all of the houses that supported Rhaenyra AND Jace:
I mean do yall honestly think Cregan Stark thought Jace was a bastard when he swore an oath in BLOOD with Jace, marched PERSONALLY to the south AFTER Jace was dead, and tried to literally kill the CHILDREN of the Lord’s who rose up against him and Rhaenyra?
Do you think Lady Jeyne gaf when she personally pledged to support him? Lord Manderly? Hm.
No, they didn’t lmao.
So please, kill this narrative that “There was going to be rebellion if Jace ascended the throne” and “The realm wouldn’t accept him bc all of them secretly knew he was a bastard despite having no proof because his father, his grandfather and THEIR KING never said otherwise.”
It would not have happened y’all. And one day you blood purist, Velaryon boys haters are going to get it through your head that YES !! They were legitimate because no one ever said otherwise. It was never proven. Rumor isn’t proof. Hair isn’t proof for fucks sake. You need actual words from Laenor himself saying that RHAENYRA cheated and those boys are Harwin’s. You need Corlys passing over Luke for Driftmark and outright saying it’s because he’s a bastard to even get a SHREAD of doubt from the great houses.
One day you guys are going to realize that those boys were loved and no matter how much you try and discredit them, they will always be legitimate. Whether you like it or not, Viserys was content with Jace being on the throne after him, THE REALM was content, and Corlys Velaryon was ready to die peacefully knowing Luke was going to be after him. Hell, he damn near handed that boy the keys so don’t you dare say Luke didn’t deserve to inherit anything.
And sorry for the long post but some of yall are really starting to piss me off. Never mind that this is fiction, your attitude towards these boys is disguising and saying that they don’t deserve a good life, that they dont deserve things that were literally GIVEN to them with no complaints, and even going as far as to call them dirty or saying they deserve to die all because their mommy and daddy weren’t married is fucking disgusting.
This “bastards don’t deserve anything,” attitude needs to stop being preached by real life people. Hell, some of the people saying this are literally in the wedding photos of their own parents wedding LMAO. It concerns me on how much disregard you guys have for adopted kids (which is basically what they are to Laenor), and I’d hate to see the shit you preach in real life. Acting like blood actually matters in order for someone to be considered family.
Because regardless of what you believe, had their mother not been usurped because she was a WOMAN, Jace would have ruled, Luke would’ve gotten Driftmark and, yes, the world of Westeros would’ve kept fucking spinning.
By law these boys were legitimate and people seem to forget they came out of Rhaenyra’s coochie so REGARDLESS, they are Targaryen. Like unless Viserys or Daemon was their father, they were always going to be half NOT Targaryen lol…Just like Alicent’s kids. It just so happens that they’re half Strong, but again, it doesn’t matter, because Jace gets his claim from RHAENYRA, not his father, so even if Harwin was married to Rhaenyra he still would’ve been the heir?? Even if it wasn’t Laenor who was his father, he’d still be heir because of his mother and being married to someone does not change that.
Some people even go as far as to argue that they’re not Targaryen so Jace shouldn’t be the heir which is stupidest thing I’ve ever heard and the most blatant case of misogyny ever. Like unless your father cloned himself then you STILL get half your genes from your mother dumbass. They are as much Targaryen as the Hightower kids with their DARK HARIED PARENT, it just so happens that their Targ side is from a woman, not a man. Which, like I said, if you don’t consider them Targaryen just bc they don’t get their claim from their father then we know what you are. 🙃
But anyways, to make a long post short, yes these boys are legitimate, they were recognized as such by:
The King himself (who they’d be inheriting from)
Rhaenyra
Laenor (their father, who they’d be inheriting from and wanted Luke to have Driftmark)
Corlys (their grandfather, who Luke would be inheriting from and wanted Luke to have Driftmark)
Rhaenys
The Realm
History
And if you still don’t believe me, here’s the official Targaryen family tree from Fire and Blood which all of Westeros sees :)
You see how they’re listed as Velaryon? You see how they’re directly linked to Laenor and there’s no little astric saying how they’re bastards? Yeah me too.
PS - Read Fire and Blood as well. This whole argument about them being bastards is literally stemmed from no more than two paragraphs, IF that. And their legitimacy is never brought up again.
Remember when we thought that Lucerys’ death would haunt the narrative and we’d all be sad whenever people bring up how it was unfair that he was murdered and Aemond would actually be called a Kinslayer for it? Yeah me too
I need y’all to realize that Targaryen men are not Henry Cavill. These are skinny, pretty boy blonde twinks. These are very delicate looking men 😭 Aka if you saw them from the back, you’d think they were women
Also, Harwin put those kids in jeopardy by hanging around them. Let's not forget his 'my turn' when Leanor was holding baby Joffrey in front of Luke and Jace, who at the time still viewed Leanor as their father...Every adult in their life was selfish when those kids should have been the priority
Yeah. People always try and make this seem like a fairytale love to me which is weird considering the kids lives were literally in danger? Viserys even says so 😭 Like just fuck Jace and Luke ig. Doesn’t matter if they have to live with the consequences if everyone else is happy
Lol Rhaenyra and Laenor didn't even try! Jace was born within a year, so Rhaenyra and Harwin slept together after three months of the wedding.
Idk what they did nonnie but considering they both have very thin patience and Laenor was in mourning (show) I doubt they really sat down 100% determined and was like “we’re gonna try and give it our 100% until it’s proven we can’t make a baby.” My guess is they tried like two times, Rhaenyra saw harwin and that was it
daenys the dreamer: straight up predicts the doom of valyria, no bullshit, no riddles just the clear cut future
aegon the conqueror (in the show): straight up sees the long night, no bullshit, no riddles just the clear cut future
helaena, for some reason?: “roses are red (maybe), violets are blue (or are they!) I was made to be a dragon dreamer by writers who haven’t got a clue 🫵🏻
like WHY is every other dreamer out here seeing clear visions and helaena can only speak in vague riddles that add absolutely nothing to the story? oh right, cause the HOTD writers don’t understand the story and only threw that in there to make helaena “interesting” without making any of her “dreams” the least bit of helpful. like girl if you saw the destruction of your family WHY didn’t you say something?? why is she the fucking riddler while everyone else is like “WHELP, I just saw the future lemme do something about it!!” why is she only one that’s just straight up incompetent??
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