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So this is a message to let everyone who read this blog know that
I won't be replying to new asks.
I'll try to answer to the old ones who had piled up, but I've little time due to real life issues and, as you might have noticed if you tried to send an ask in the past years, I just can't keep up with the ask.
In future things might change but for now that's it.
By the way, I'm very sorry about it but I won't reply to ask which aren't in English. Not only this is an English blog but beyond my native tongue and English I do not talk other languages. sorry about it.
Sorry everyone, I hope you'll understand.
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As promised Iāll try to answer to the ask I received in the past. This is the third group of Ask at which I replied. Please donāt send new asks. I wonāt reply to them.
By the way, these are all Anon asks.
I love your answers and I admit I liked umineko more thanks to you
I have a question, if it doesn't bother you, how do you arrange intelligence between the characters? And by that, I mean the characters from the family, not the witches
And I want to arrange you for adults only and then arrange for cousins āāin addition to Kinzo and Sayo, I think Rosa is one of the most underrated characters in her intelligence ,Maybe even smarter than Eva , am I wrong?
Thank you for letting me know, it makes me really happy!
To be honest, I donāt really arrange it, each of them has things in which theyāre smart and things in which theyāre not and we donāt really have a good method for measuring their intelligence.
Ryukishi07 himself, comparing Kyrie and Asumu, said they were smart in different things. This means that, according to what weāre ātestingā them, the results would change.
Rosa wasnāt good at academic, business, love and raising a child, though to me she seems better at business than Krauss and, I think, she can be the most diplomatic of all the siblings due to her role as the youngest, and she knows when she has the upper hand on them. Sheās good at presenting a faƧade of a friendly, nice and polite persona, but canāt maintain it when she gets angry. She can see the weak spots of the others and can jab at them.
As you can see she has things in which sheās smart and things in which sheās not. The same applies to all the others. If I were to say ācharacter X is smarter than the othersā or ācharacter X is dumber than the othersā it would probably be solely in relation to the smarts that are needed in that particular situation in which the cast is in that momentā¦ and often it would be hard to judge all of them simply because we donāt really see all of them in that same particular setting.
So sorry, but I canāt really help you here.
Could Sayo be seen as a trans woman & a bisexual? Like, she was AMAB but she identified as a woman later on, and she was romantically attracted to Battler & Goerge as Sayo/Shannon/Beato and to Jessica as her Kanon persona :0
Itās a possible way to see her, yes.
Her situation is complicate because, although her sex is male she lived unaware of it for years, believing to be female and with a strong pressure to conform to this role. Ultimately she also experimented being a male, apparently partly because she wanted the freedom a male can experience, partly because her body refused developing female secondary traits, making her look like a boy. Kanon though is always considered as the one on which she dumps all her ugliness, so I would say she had a strong reluctance to identify herself as a male and probably, prior to learning the truth, she was just confused and unsatisfied on why her body would look like a male, more than identifying as a male.
On the opposite side Lion doesnāt seem to have problems identifying himself as a male even though he claims to be good at what are considered female works because he believes in gender parity. Lion though is more a dream, a wish fulfillment creation than a real person so itās possible he was created as satisfied with his own sex exactly for this reason.
Long story short, I tend to think she preferred to identify herself as a female but since she is still young, uneducated on those topics, in a very peculiar situation and, after she learns the truth, she falls into depression that will ultimately make her suicidal, itās also possible to assume she just needed more time spent in a serene and accepting setting, before she could truly decide what she identifies with, maybe in that case Sayo would identify as bigender for example, or would stop seeing the idea of being male as something ugly and embrace such gender identity or decide in the end none of those gender identities fit and identify as agender.
In the end itās up to how you decide to interpret her situation.
The same goes with her love interests. I think seeing her as bisexual is valid but sheās so starved of love that I think that more than being interested to the sex of her partner, she was interested if said partner would love her. She knows Jessica by childhood but she doesnāt look at her as a potential partner until Jessica claims sheās crushing on Kanon. So we could even argue sheās asexual but biromantic.
I think it really depends on interpretation so, in the end itās up to you and to how you see her. The story insists on how her feelings of love for Battler, George and Jessica were genuine so what we know for sure is she wanted to be with themā¦
Do you think reading whole VN and then reading only last two episodes is a good idea? I don't really feel like reading whole manga after VN (or reading them both at the same time).
Itās a possible idea, yes. I would suggest also reading episode 5 manga version as I think it improved the novel tremendously but itās not mandatory. Whatās truly mandatory to have all the solution is reading Episode 7 and 8 manga version, especially episode 8 as it changed plenty of things to make the story better and more understandable.
Hi again! Another question... I see you don't seem to like George very much, since you describe the way he treats Battler as almost bullying. It seemed to me, though, that Ryukishi wrote George as almost perfect: he solved his porblems, is working dilligently towards his goals, and has won Shannon's love (which you describe as "stealing Battler's girlfriend", but both he and Shannon are adamant that it is much more than that). Is there something about George that rubs you the wrong way?
I donāt know which post youāve read and which you didnāt, but I think the best way to read in details why I think George is bullying Battler, which is something that definitely rubs me in the wrong way, is to read my VN ramblings for Legend. You might find also my comments about how he handles Shannon, which really, isnāt the best and Iām sorry I didnāt manage to cover Turn as in it heās even worse.
George: (When I was in elementary school, I was always the kid that got bullied. When everyone teased me, I grew nervous and speechless, to the delight of the bullies. Back then, I wondered why everyone teased me. But now, teasing Shannon like this, I understand why. This is so much fun. I can play with her emotions however I please, ...and I can have them all to myself. Right now, I can't think of any higher pleasure.) [Turn of the Golden Witch]
As you can see is George himself who compares how heās acting with Shannon to how he was bullied and admits he has a lot of fun in doing so.
In Episode 6 George himself says he desired revenge on Battler and Shannon, because, as a kid, he believed Shannon liked him but then was forced to acknowledge Shannon never felt that way and liked and was liked back by Battler and, as a result, wanted to steal her back. Only later he truly fell in love with her, at the beginning it was all stealing her from Battler because he believed he felt entitled to her love.
Thereās to say both the anime and manga cut Georgeās unpleasant behavior and, as the VN progresses, it also cut it or labels it as a thing of the past, so it can be Ryukishi07 kind of meant to subtly retcon it and paint George in a better light.
Said so, if you like George and think heās almost perfect, thatās fine. De gustibus non disputandum est. For me, the way Ryukishi07 described his behavior in the first novel just caused a strong impression I didnāt manage to shake.
Hi! One question about your ramblings: You mention several times how it irks you that everybody (Jessica, George, the adults) makes fun of Battler or even bullies him all the time. But considering the medium (anime/VNs), isn't this to be expected? I get your points about this meaning something about the Ushiromiya, but isn't it a frequent trope in animes/VN that the protagonist gets bullied by friends and family? I almost take this to just mean that Battler IS the protagonist...
Humā¦ not really? Thereās plenty of manga and anime in which characters donāt deliberately make fun of other characters, be they the main character or a secondary character. I guess it also really depends on the circumstances when this happens.
In Battlerās case he was in panic and needed reassurance and support and everyone instead was laughing at his distress. I guess I would have minded it a lot less if they had laughed at how big he grew and joked on how if he were to keep that up he would end up hitting his head on the door frame because in that case they wouldnāt have been laughing at Battlerās distress.
Also, even if this were to be a trope (same as, for example, Battlerās harassment of Shannon which is a recurring trope in manga/anime and that Battler does in an even tamer way than other manga characters) this doesnāt mean everyone should like it or not be irked by it.
People react to things differently, and generally I think that excusing something causes it to remain in media while criticizing it tends to discourage authors from presenting it again.
Of course the awareness that some things are a recurring trope in manga is important in order to understand sometimes the author donāt even think what heās representing is a problem because itās a trope that so popular and apparently appreciated he doesnāt even question it.
Said so, if you donāt mind it, itās fine. As said before we arenāt all the same.
Why do you think Kinzo raped Bice?
Iām pretty confident Kinzo raped his daughter, Kuwadorian Beatrice as the solution of episode 7 showed Beatrice rejecting Kinzoās feelings.
Iām not sure if Kinzo raped Bice or if she decided to sleep with him willingly. Itās a possibility, considering we know the story Kinzo told us in Episode 7 was very biased toward Kinzo (it turned out it was HIM and not Yamamoto the one who wanted to steal the gold from the Italians) and episode 4 implied Kinzo killed everyone (Italians and Japanese) to get monopoly over Beatrice, something episode 8 āconfession of the golden witchā also implied.
As a result of all this Bice ended up being an unregistered foreign in a foreigner land completely dependent on Kinzo, traumatized by being the sole survivor and probably unaware he was also a married man. She doesnāt look thrilled when Kinzoās men came to take her from Nanjoā¦ but yes, she could have slept with Kinzo willingly. Or not. As Kinzo raped his own daughter we know he wouldnāt have cared if she was unwilling. In theory, as Umineko didnāt use this against Kinzo, I would say the chances Kinzo raped Bice are low. Weāll probably never know the truth so multiple truths can exist in the catbox and your theory is as good as mine.
Hello, Ramblingsofthegoldenwitch! First of all, let me say you have an amazing blog, and I've loved reading your thoughts on Umineko. So, going for my question: In your opinion, why George ended so hated by the fandom? Of course, he does have his fair share of defects: His "teasing" of Shannon; his willingness to take advantage of their power differences to advance his objectives; his lack of interest of hearing Shannon's emotions; his passive-aggresiveness towards Battler; andhis overall lack of social tact. But, in a series with child abusers; older family members being also very nasty towards each other; people abusing their power for way less noble reasons; and, finally, outright cold-blooded murder, I fail to see how George would be especially bad. As an exemple, Kyrie and Rudolf are generally enjoyed by the fandom, despite (while having their psychological reasons, but still) commiting a massacre in cold blood. I imagine there are two reasons for this: the first one, is the "Jerks are Worse than Villains" audience reaction. Between a garden-variety asshole and an outright villain, most of the public tends to like the latter better than the former, even if his actions are objectively worse, because there's a good possibility he'll be cool and entertaining, while the garden-variety asshole is, well, just an ass (besides potentially remembering assoles in their own lives). The other reason I imagine, is that a good deal of George's personal problems and worldview are echoed in the current neo-misogynistic movements (Red Pill, incel & co.), what ends making him even more unpalatable, on our current cultural momentum.
Thank you for liking it!
Oh, I think Kinzo is probably the one who would win the Most Hated Character of the series, unless something has seriously changed from when I was deep into the story. Rosa is also someone who is pretty high in the list of disliked charactersā¦ even if, in Episode 2, she seemed to redeem herself a little. And the other adults would probably not win a popularity prize either.
George is likely only the most disliked among the children.
Also this remind me of how the Harry Potter fandom was said to hate more Dolores Umbridge than Voldemort even if the latter is objectively worse. Dolores Umbridge is the type of Villain you can meet in your daily life and have experience withā¦ but itās pretty unlikely youāll meet up someone like Voldemort.
This produces an emotional reaction due to which Umbridge feels worse to a reader because they can feel a connection between her and some REAL person haunting their life where Voldermort remains just a fictional bad guy.
George is undoubtedly the type of person you might have interacted with, while itās unlikely youāll have chance to interact with someone like Kinzo.
Your theories are also valid. In the end I think everyone who dislikes George has his own reasons and there isnāt a specific, singular reason on which we all agree. Weāre all different after all and Iāve no idea why people think one way or the other. Sorry if I canāt be of much help.
I hope you're doing okay!
I am, Iām just very, very busy. Still thank you for worrying!
I just want you to know that I love, love, LOVE your Umineko manga edits (the ones where you remove Sayoās wig)!!
Thanks! Iām really happy you do!
Thank you for sharing your passion for Umineko this blog is a lot of fun to read through! We have similar ideas about the meta world. I hope youāre doing well and enjoying the references in Higurashi Gou :)
Thank you for letting me know you enjoy my posts! Iām not really that much into the new Higurashi but theyāre not bad either. Thank you for worrying about me!
As promised I'll try to answer to the ask I received in the past. This is the second group of Ask at which I replied. Please don't send new asks. I won't reply to them.
By the way, these are all Anon asks.
What is the connection between Featherine and Eua?
also
As Featherine under name Eua, which have a form that similiar to Auau aka Hanyuu. Isn't make sense that Featherine is Hanyuu? What do you think?
Sorry, I placed your asks together because they're similar.
You both are talking about the Featherine from āHigurashi Gouā and āHigurashi Sotsuā? Honestly even though I saw the two anime I didnāt look if those Higurashi are āofficialā as in Ryukishi07 recognized them as part of their canon and Iāve no interest in speculating about it. She might as well be an alternate version of Featherine or Featherine herself when she was younger or whatever you can theorize about. If there was an official answer I didnāt see it.
In āHigurashi Sotsuā Featherine acknowledge Hanyuu as a part of herself. If this is meant to be true in Umineko too or not is something I don't know and that honestly I'm not invested in discovering. Sorry about it.
Why did Ange Ushiromiya Laughed maniacally after learning the thrush about her Aunt?
Laughing is a coping mechanism and when you're overwhelmed or feeling anxiety about something, laughing helps you shed some of that stress and anxiety even if itās inappropriate. Itās not voluntary, itās similar to why some people cry when theyāre overwhelmingly happy.
It doesnāt mean Ange is evil, just that sheās desperate and on the border of snapping. The manga depicts her as also crying and implies she tosses herself off the building in desperation.
Also tales like inappropriate reactions like this one for the sake of the drama so you might find various tales who use inappropriate laughter as a character response to bad news.
Hey, what is your least favorite character in umineko, mine is kinzo
Theyāre all well written to me, but I guess you mean which character I think is worse morally and I wouldnāt have him get close to me in real life?
Thereās so many to choose since Umineko has plenty of what we could call unrepentant criminals. I probably would feel much safer if none of the adults in Umineko were to get in my own city. Theyāre all horrible. Traumatized but horrible.
Do you think that Ikuko Hachijo developed romantic feelings for Tohya Hachijo (Battler) throughout spending her time with him?
I would say yes, if it wasnāt for the fact that Iām a strong Battler/Sayo shipper and so I prefer to think they just like each other as friends. Likely though the idea is that they love each other, if they do in a platonic way or if they merely didnāt marry because Touya has no real identity to speak of is up to speculation.
This may be an odd question, but it's there any panels in the Umineko manga of Ange showing the buttons on the shirt she wears under her jacket?
I have no idea but you can find the manga on manga scanlation sites and check it yourself if youāre really that curious. The manga is good and worth reading so I recommend giving it a look.
Is Bernkastel an actual complex character? Or just a one dimensional monster? Also would you call her edgy?/Is Bern an actual complex character? Or is she just a sadistic heartless monster created by Rika's pain? I was hoping she could have been like a grey character, rather than pitch black, but i guess i had wrong assumptions on her
I put those two asks together because they seem the same. Bernkastel likes to play the part of one dimensional monster but sheās a complex character and Iāve plenty of post discussing her if youāre interested. Also consider that the meta world has different ethic values compared to the real world so things are a lot more complex than what they look like on the surface.
Is there ever a reason given in the series for why Yasu was raised female even though they were AMAB? It's not like the older servants just guessed their gender, they all knew Kinzo had a secret son. I know they lowered Yasu's age to hide their identity but I don't know why changing their gender would help, especially since it's such a huge problem for them later
No, thereās not a reason given in the series. Iāve been told though that in Japan this was a thing that was done in the past to kids with ruined genitalia. Take it with a grain of salt though as I donāt really know exactly how this worked.
Hey, I just saw your post about other selfs in Umineko and I gotta say, it has helped me a lot lol, im not the same person who asked you, hell i dont even know english that well but as someone who has gone through many identity crisis due to my gender and other stuff and the only way to cope is creating this self on the internet to feel accepted is, yeah i can see i was just like Sayo and I was just running from reality, hell ive been running ever since my best friend left me, so, yeah thanks (?
Iām really happy if my post was of some help! Thank you for letting me know!
Has anyone asked about Kinzoās test in episode 4? We know Maria solved it somehow, but then what is the solution? What could she have said to earn such favor?
We know the solution Kinzo chose when he met Beatrice was to kill everyone else to obtain his own life and the one of Beatrice (his loved one). We can see it implied in Episode 4 Volume 4 Chapter 16 of the manga and we see it being shown in Episode 7. Maria likely chose the same, to kill everyone else to save the person she loved. If said person was Rosa or Sakutarou (in episode 4 Maria had a bad break up with Rosa) thatās up to speculation.
Can you recommend more visual novels like Umineko?
Sorry, Iāve only read Umineko and Rose Guns Days so Iām not the right person to ask about this but people say Higurashi is good too.
As promised I'll try to answer to the ask I received in the past. This is the first group of Ask at which I replied. Please don't send new asks. I won't reply to them.
By the way, these are all Anon asks.
YOUR ALIVE?????
Yes but Iām very, very busy. Sorry about it.
Who do you think Ange cared about more? Kyrie or Rudolf?
I donāt think she had a favorite parent. If anything she seems to favor her brother over her parents as for her it would have been enough if Battler were to come home, instead than if letās say her mother, or letās say her father were to come home.
this is a long shot, but i saw on twitter someone posted some edited screencaps from EP2 when Beatrice appears on the gameboard, but edited to have Sayoās hair and expressions, by chance would you have seen them? Iāve been looking for weeks and havenāt been able to find them again ;-;
Sorry, no, I didnāt see them.
How do you think Yukari would interact with a innate psychopath who wronged her recently
Iāve not the slightest idea. Your guess is as good as mine.
I'm loosing my mind trying to see if you made a post about Genjitrice and I remember the post had the edited sprite at the bottom to show a friend and I can't find it. Please tell me I didn't dream this
Sorry, I didnāt see it.
What happened to the music that played on your blog?
As it came from a youtube video, probably the youtube video was removed and I didnāt notice. If youāre curious the music was āNon mi avete fatto nienteā by Ermal Meta, Fabrizio Moro and you can hear it here.
Hello I absolutely love your blog! I have a question regarding about Ange. Do you believe Ange is the type of person to feel more easily for her own gender or both genders are the same to her and that she only looks at what they experience and what type of personality they have? I'm referring to Ange from how she is in ep 6 then ep 8 respectively. Sorry if it's a rather out there or simple question but would love to hear your thoughts!
Thank you! I think Ange is portrayed a bit like Sayo, she falls for who shows her some sympathy, care and attention, hence sheās weak for Mammon but also might have some feelings for Amakusa (and ironically kills both when they fail her). In short neither relation is about physical attraction but about Angeās need for someone who would care about her. Itās hard to say for which gender she would feel a physical attraction. In theory itās even possible sheās asexual since neither relationship is based on physical attractionā¦ or that sheās just really immature due to her trauma. Hard to say.
Why do people asume amaksa killed ange in the end of ep4?I felt like he got killed by"greed" as depicted by mammon kiling him.The ghost of eva surely was amakusa following orders by money, but his greed was so great that he ended up getting killed, not sure what the gun exploding means though, maybe it is litterally what happened.Also,the fact ange was shown to die in 1998 in credits is not confirmation that he killed her necessarily, bcs we all know"ange" changes personality and "dies" in 1998
While itās possible to theorize Ange survived and just disappeared as she did in Prime, it would be really hard for her to do so since she would be hunted and have no support. Amakusa wanting to kill her means Okonogi is against her now, and the same would be true for Okonogi. And if the captain too was bribed she would have also either to kill him or to have him as an enemy.
Assuming Amakusa succeeded in killing Ange just seems more likely, but yes, in Umineko plenty of unlikely things happen so your theory isnāt necessarily wrong.
technically, didn't ryukishi07 violate Knox's 10th commandment? a character has disguised as another, without any foreshadowing or possible clues. What do you think?
For Ryukishi07 the clue was the detective never saw Shannon and Kanon together, which in golden age mysteries can be considered a clue. Since Knoxās Decalogue is one for golden age mysteries and this is an acceptable clue for that kind of mystery no, Ryukishi07 didnāt violate it. If you however mean to say that itās pretty horrid how NO ONE noticed Kanon and Shannon have the same face, not even Erika with her photographic memory, Ryukishi07 excused it with Erika herself claiming it was due to make up. If you want more info I recommend reading the manga version Episode 8, Volume4 chapter 20.
Hello im not sure if you are still active but I remember Erika saying it is possible to create a fake state of death using pharmaceuticals, do you have any idea what are the examples?
No, sorry, Iām not really well versed in medicine and I never looked it up. I know in the far past it was really popular in romance novels in which the heroine would risk to be buried alive and then saved last minute and I think it was mentioned in some mystery but honestly I donāt remember what they used. I suggest you to look it up in the net.
i found you via a completely unrelated google search that led me to one of your blog posts... I am an oldtime umineko fan (read it when it was ongoing... which was tremendously slow), so I took notice of teh topic.
I don't have any question but I find it fun sometimes to imagine completely unrelated topics can make hearts cross, never to know another, and to just recognize that for a moment..
Don't let anyone change you
Thank you. This is probably the best message I received. Thanks a lot for making my day and please, don't change as well.
Why is it good?: Good editing, lyrics matching with what we're shown and well serving the story that the video tells, pacing fitting with the music. In short it's not only very pleasant to watch but it's also a good way to get a feeling of the Umineko story.
Hello! I remember love reading your blog about Umineko, because there is really nothing more enjoyable to find other people who like Umineko! I noticed you haven't updated things for a while, but I hope you are around to read this ask. I was interested in asking you come on as a guest to When We Cry podcast, we are a 07th expansion fan podcast group. Since I always liked your analysis, I thought you might be interested. - Mushroom
Thank you for loving to read my blog.
Due to lack of time and other issues I hadnāt had the time to update this blog anymore.
I thank you for the invitation but my mother tongue isnāt English. I can write it decently enough so that people can understand it, but when weāre talking about speaking it Iām really not up to the task.
So really, thank you so much for the invitation, Iām honoured you remembered my blog and thought to invite me, but Iāll have to decline.
So this new year starts with a friend of mine warning me she was looking through my post and found this.
For whoās not aware adult content for Tumblr means photo depicting nudity, sex or genitals.
So today I had to go through all my posts 1239 posts (this one will be the 1240 one) to check what they saw that contained nudity, sex or genitals because sure as hell I donāt remember posting anything as such.
So searching I discovered they flagged:
- Umineko Voice Drama Vol 11-20 [which has covers of the voice dramas in which the Umineko cast is dressed and not engaging in sex though yes, in some covers they also wear swimsuits but Tumblr didnāt ban suimsuits from their guidelines]
- Umineko Voice Drama Vol 21-24 + Extra [which has covers of the voice dramas in which the Umineko cast is dressed and not engaging in sex though yes, in some covers they also wear swimsuits but Tumblr didnāt ban suimsuits from their guidelines]
- Yasuda Sayo (Shannon) - Coloured manga versions from Ep 1 to 8 + Tsubasa (+ 2 B&W versions as there are not coloured version for Ep 4 & 5) [9 colour pics of Shannonās face from the various manga]
- Character comparison in their various incarnations through the various media. [basically faces of the cousins as they look in the various manga, anime, novels and such]
This is all I could find and Iāve already sent appeals but, if you reblogged them from me, theyāll appear as flagged on your blog too. For this I apologize but really, I couldnāt guess characters face would look as porn to Tumblr... -_-
Please, everyone, warn me if you find a content you reblogged from me as flagged so that I can send an appeal. I apologize again for bothing you all and I wish you good new year.
I have a theory about homosexual mannerisms of Ronove: He is based in Genji and really look like young Genji in ep8, that means Sayo probably saw an old Genji's picture, maybe one where young Kinzo was too. All her life Sayo has watch how Genji is absolutely loyal and dedicate to Kinzo Maybe Sayo thinks Genji is really gay and is in love with Kinzo! So she created Ronove like a man more openly homosexual and like Battler really look like young Kinzo, obviously Ronove is very interesed in him
Well,
Iām a supporter as well of the idea Genji might have been in love with Kinzo, whcih would make his situation really sad as Kinzo was completely lost for Beatrice... but would also make mure understandable why heās acts in such a way with him and how, once Kinzo died, heās longing for death, pardon, repose in the Golden Land, as well.
Sayo might have caught up on this and she might have believed if young Genji had met Battler he would have pursued him as well... possibly subconsciously trying to reproduce the dynamics between Beatrice, Kinzo and Genji with herself, Battler and Ronove.
Just my speculation though.
Iām not really fond of how Ronove seems to try to force himself on Battler...
...but I guess the story is again going for contrappasso more as Battler tried to harrass the female cast as well (which is another thing Iām not fond of).
I guess I donāt find harrassment as funny but maybe that's just me.
This is a funny question but, what do you think about the Ange and Virgilia declaration about Battler is an uke? Do you think he the uke between Sayo/Beatrice and he? I really love "Angel of 17 years" I really wish someone adapt it to manga -w-
Hum...
I guess my opinion on the whole story might be a bit unusual from the rest of the fandom so feel free to skip it.
Although itās presented as a funny AU in a way I view this little story as a subtle way to point out how we (and Ange) actually are no better than the Witch Hunter who were writing stories about Angeās family.
Ange and Virgilia decide to write yaoi tales about who, for them, is real people, like Angeās brother and they do it for their own amusement, sharing it with other people, actually selling them for other peopleās amusement as well.
But what is really meaningful is how the story describes them as forcing the pieces into it.
Weāre told over and over the pieces are not moving out of their own free will, which means whatever sex scene is going on is forced and therefore the equivalent of rape and yet... since the whole thing is presented in a light mood, weāre amused by two characters being forced to have sex together and act in a certain way even if they arenāt doing it out of their own free will.
The story kept on telling us that the pieces arenāt consenting, that theyāre forced to move or say things by the writers.
Itās basically rape over and over but... we donāt even realize it because the writing doesnāt dwell on the drama. It seems fun, comedic, as if we were joking with the characters.
And, I think, the whole thing is meant to parallel how all those people writing about the Rokkenjima tragedy felt.
In their stories they would force X or Y to act in ways that werenāt the ones in which they had acted without respect for those people... but I doubt they realized they were hurting someone.
Itās not just Tohya who did it to pin the blame on Eva (although Eva wasnāt the real culprit) without caring about Ange. Many, many writers were writing just for the fun of it, forgetting those people were real people with real relatives who might be affected by such representations.
Itās made clear in Ep 8 how Battlerās happy version of what happened that day was being rejected, even if possible.
Donāt this scene paralells how Ange insists for twists?
Ange: āStop! The master servant relationship is okay and all, but isn' there any twist to it? If not, it's not exciting. Hey, you two, back to the start position!ā
And the whole Battler is an uke thatās decided merely because itās popular among the fans (like how Will shouldnāt be paired with anyone else but Lion) isnāt paralleling how the Battler culprit theory has plenty of followers even if itās actually wrong?
Of course in Umineko the pieces are depicted as āless resistingā because, conveniently, theyāre sort of replaced with other pieces.
They didnāt have Battler do the murder they used āblack Battlerā so as to spare us of the drama of seeing a piece Battler move against his wills to massacre his own family... though some pointed out how there are hints Black Battler isnāt actually having so much fun as he claims heās having.
But really, I see no difference between the way Ange plays with the āBattler is an absolute ukeā theory and the way people played with the āBattler culpritā theory.
I guess the whole tale is meant to be an experiement in the contrappasso, one in which itās Ange whoās writing stories that torment her brother opposed to how Tohya tormented her with his tales, which is fitting as the contrappasso is used so much in Danteās Divina Commedia... but itās also meant to show us how prone we actually can be to undervalue the whole problem of writing tales on real people regardless of said people.
We might think bad of the witch hunters because Umineko put great emphasis on how harmful they were... but Angeās actions, which are exactly the same as she too is playing with real people, slip past our radar because the thing is presented as humorous, funny. We mistake them for fictional characters when the story makes clear that the Battler Ange is talking about and using for her own stories is still HER BROTHER and therefore a real person and that the relationships sheās talking about arenāt ones his brother want to have.
āAngel of 17 yearsāfundamentally feels like a story thatās meant to bring us the point of view of those who used the Ushiromiya family for their own amusement and gain and let us understand why no one felt that disgusted by them until Hachijo Tohya denounced it. It seemed a fun, harmless pasttime.
We know the characters involved donāt agree with how theyāre being represented, we know theyāre acting out of character but who cares? Itās fun... and we donāt really see them facing terrible consequences. We arenāt meant to think that there could be consequences.
But what if Ange and Virgilia were really allowed to write her HideyoshiXLion story and someone were to suspect Hideyoshi of harrassing his nephew? or Gohda to abuse of Kanon?
What if all of her āBattler is an absolute ukeā stories were to lead Battler to being bullied or harrassed? Or worse, if Kyrie were to read up a RudolfXBattler she might end up on killing him.
The whole KinzoXGenji would likely affect Kinzoās business as those werenāt times in which people were okay with this.
Mind you, said this, Iāve no problems with REAL people playing with Umineko characters, writing yaoi stories with Battler being whatever they please because Battler, in the real world, is just a fictional character created for our own entertainment.
But āAngel of 17 yearsā donāt talk of Ange playing with fictional characters but with real (in her universe) people, depicting them in situations against their will... and itās written cleverly enough to let us forget it.
By siding with her actions we became all like the witch hunters, people who found okay to play with real people for their own entertaintment... and we donāt even realize.
Narrattively speaking to write such a sidestory in Umineko with Ange as the main character, after having her suffer so much for people doing exactly the same is rather clever. An amazing idea really.
In regard to Battler being an uke, as Iāve said, I think the story depicts Battler as an absolute uke in the same spirit as people loved the Battler culprit theory. Ange is just reporting the popular opinion, which she finds amusing.
Thereās really plenty of yaoi with Battler being an Uke, going so far as having even Beatrice growing up a member to screw it (and those doujinshi were written PRIOR to people knowing Sayo was Beatrice or how she has XY chromosomes). Actually I think there are more yaoi doujinshi or porn doujinshi with Beatrice screwing Battler than the standard Ero doujinshi or normal doujinshi with Battler having a love story with Beatrice.
So... I donāt think āAngel of 17 yearsā exists to support the idea that Battler canonly is an absolute uke, same as āForgery n. XXXā doesnāt exist to support the idea that Battler is canonly the culprit.
Skipping this do I think Battler could be an uke?
Personally Iām not that fond of the seme/uke stereotypes in male/male pairings so Iām not the right person to ask about this as I prefer male/male pairings that donāt use them. I donāt mind a male character having a favourite position, be it top or bottom, what Iām not fond of is the seme/uke stereotype, where the uke is the passive, weeping, weak character thatās often forced into having sex and the seme is the dominating cold active character who forces the uke to have sex with him.
I prefer male/male couples which, regardless of the favourite sexual position, can stand on an equal ground and where one partner isnāt forced by the other into having sex.
Thatās just me though. Everyone is entitled to prefer the narrative they like, after all, to us, itās just fiction and thereās not a real Battler out there weāre making fun of.
Sorry, if this came as a disappointing answer but thatās just how I see the whole matter. Maybe I'm just too romance loving for this sort of things... -_-;;;
(Adding to that question about social services and Maria, as a rule of thumb most social services will try to keep children with their parents or close raelatives whenever possible, which involves trying to work in cooperation with the guardians to have them improve their behavior and responsability and only taking a child away from them immediately in case of immediate life risk or very explicit abuse. It's likely that the worker who went to Rosa's house was only trying to have a friendly (cont
Yes...
those are also very good points on how many social services work.
Sadly doing the best for children in need of protection isnāt so easy... and often many mistakes are done even when people act in good faith.
Honestly I canāt remember any reference to Rosa bribing social services in canon, but it might just be my memory failing me. All I could find was the note in the manga I posted in the previous reply...
...but if someone remembers the bribing and can point the canon reference to me Iāll be happy to share it with everyone!
Hello, sorry if i bother you. iĀ“ve seen the question about Battler vs Superman, and i think that Battler, like Endless Witch have a very good opportunity to win against Superman, because Superman is very vulnerable against the magic (almost so much than the kryptonite). But depends about what types of abilities have Battler like Witch. Because his time like "Endless Witch" was very short, iĀ“m not sure if he have the necessary powers for attack and protect himself at the same time against direct
As Iāve said Iām okay with letting people with more knowledge than me answer that question so donāt worry, you donāt bother me! I hope itās okay if I share your reply!
To whoever else who has no idea of why this is being discussed @perlitha-bonitaās reply is in reference to this ask.
Why the social service donĀ“t take Maria away of Rosa? They have much evidence and many witnesses that Rosa leave Maria alone in home above many days. And Rosa attacked Maria in front of the social worker, So, Why she donĀ“t take Maria away and file charges against Rosa for aggression, endangering a minor and child abuse?
Your question seems a good one...
...but as it seems Ryukishi worked for the civil services (and therefore is more knowledgeable in this department than I could hope to be) the answer is likely itās not as simple as it can seem.
For now we know that there had been a suggestion to put Maria into a shelter but, so far, nothing had been done. Maybe the witnesses donāt want to testify in court.
The woman who drops a visit to Rosa is a ādistrict welfare officerā (which is the same woman who, in the novel drops a visit to Maria when sheās carried at the police department to spend the night there as her mother is in Sapporo) and, it seems, in Japan they arenāt the same as āchildren consueling officersā. In short it can very well be she has nowhere near the authority to take Maria from Rosa... especially considering she hadnāt done it when Maria had been left alone and carried to the police to sleep there.
Also in the manga Rosa pushed out the woman before āassaultingā Maria, although the assault to Maria is only verbal and it seems this wouldnāt constitute āassaultā in Japan, even if itās acknowledged Rosa is being cruel with her.
In the novel the thing is more developed.
We have one instance in which Rosa is hitting Maria:
After fiercely closing in on Maria, Rosa mercilessly slapped her on her small shoulders, ...and dropped her gaze towards the stuffed animal Maria was holding, Sakutaro.
Rosa then grows further enraged and we have this scene:
With every single word, she (Rosa) stamped her heel and banged furiously on the wall. ...Of course, she didn't make direct contact with Maria. However, the violence of the harsh sound certainly beat against Maria.
But here thereās no beating of Maria. Thereās another scene but again itās similar to the previous as in Rosa isnāt hitting Maria anymore.
...So she (Rosa) howled. She raged. The district welfare officer tried to cut between Rosa and Maria again, but she only met with Rosa's wrath again. Rosa once again threw the woman off with a face like a demon, and when even that failed to curb her anger, she stomped on the ground over and over again so forcefully that it seemed she might break through the floor.
Now, you might point out how, despite all this, Rosa had hit Maria in the beginning. I take from your words that in your country it would be easy to take Maria away... however letās remember we are in Japan, 1986.
It seems (but Iām not expert so I might be wrong as Iām only reporting info I read) that in Japan corporal punishment in the home is customarily recognized, and childhood abuse started to be considered as a social problem only from the 1990s, therefore in present time people are still cautious in were a beating can be defined āeducational meaningful corporal punishmentā, or just parents being abusive.
Although the woman got scared would she report Rosa? Does she have any mean to prove that wasnāt an āeducational meaningful corporal punishmentā but abuse? When itās not even easy to prove it in present time?
Also itās entirely possible since Rosa is from a rich family sheās afraid to challenge her and go in court and so are all the witnesses that have seen Maria alone.
I also recommend to read Higurashi Minagoroshi-hen to have an idea of how the āchildren consueling officerā work in Japan.
Long story short no, it wasnāt so easy to rip Maria away from Rosa in the time and country in which Maria lived. We see it clearly in how even Mariaās relatives donāt think too much of how Maria is mistreated, defending it as if it merely were āeducational meaningful corporal punishmentā.
Before someone will ask me, no I donāt think it was āeducational meaningful corporal punishmentā I think Maria was abused but I donāt make the rules and so my opinion amounts to nothing.
Maria lived in her own country and her own country didnāt judge necessary to immediately protect her. As sad as it is, itās just that. Umineko (and Higurashi) did their best to denounce how wrong this idea is but they couldnāt change the rules and so Maria suffered abuse. And we can only hope this mindsetting will change (or had already) and no more children will go through that.
What do you think the rules are about incomplete Reds? Do you think that what is said in red before being cut off still counts? I'm most specifically thinking about Beato's Red in Ep 4 about Sakutaro. She says in Red that it was made by Rosa for Maria, and it got cut off after that. Does that mean that everything she was saying up to that point was fact, or does the fact that it gets cut off make it all untrue?
Itās an interesting question and well,
truth is we donāt know.
I tend to assume that any complete sentence thatās said prior to the red being interrupted is true and whatever sentence that trails off is untrue.
However thereās something else we also donāt know unless we are Japanese speakers and thatās what Beatrice exactly said.
Translations donāt quite agree on the sentence.
Here thereās the VN version:
That is a special stuffed animal! Made by Rosa for her daughter's birthday, and in the entire world, the only-
Here thereās the manga scanlated version:
I donāt have the official English manga release so I canāt compare with it as well, sorry about it.
Now, why the different translations?
Weāve to keep in mind that when both translations came out we didnāt know the truth about Sakutarou, how Rosa store bought him:
and therefore there are dozens of āSakutaroā in the world...
(if you canāt spot them enjoy a closeup)
...so translators had to guess what exactly that sentence implied so that they could give a translation as close as possible to the original meaning in English.
What Ryukishi wanted us to work with was however the ORIGINAL JAPANESE SENTENCE.
Sono nuigurumi wa tokubetsuna nuigurumi! Rosa ga musume no tanjÅbi no tame ni tsukutta sekai de tatta hitotsu no-
Now I fail at Japanese but Iāve been told by who knows it more than me that in this circumstance ātsukuttaā (ä½ć£ćāmadeā) can very well mean āhandmadeā and therefore fit with the translation:
ā(Hand)Made by Rosa for her daughter's birthday...ā
but it can also imply that Rosa only āmade a presentā something we would better translate as:
āGiven by Rosa at her daughter for her birthday...ā
In Japanese the sentence can take both meanings and therefore remains true regardless of Rosa handmaking Sakutaro or just handing him as a present. What canāt remain true is what Beato tries to say after, that Sakutarou is unique in the world, as there are more than one. Hence she canāt continue saying that sentence.
At this point Beato understands that, if Sakutaro isnāt unique in the world, Rosa didnāt handmake it and therefore it was storebrought.
Itās a wordtrick similar to how Battler could say all that red but got interrupted when he got more specific.
I guess this means as long as a sentence can be true according to a certain interpretation it can be said in red even if the specific meaning isnāt the one the one saying it is thinking (when Battler says āUshiromiya Battler was born from Ushiromiya Asumuā he was thinking at himself, not at his stepbrother he didnāt know he had... yet he could use red because technically an Ushiromiya Battler was born from Asumu... even though it wasnāt him) but when the language becomes more binding the red couldnāt be said anymore.
Still, the red usage and when itās really not possible to say something in red or when one should be interrupted is really unclear and there are no written rules so this is just my current interpretation of it.
Take it with a grain of salt as I might be completely wrong.
You know, I was here thinking about all of the problems that each interpretation of EP3's events bring (If Eva solved the epitaph and Sayo knew, why kill George and Nanjo? If Eva solved it and Sayo didn't know, why didn't she check the chapel when Eva started killing people? If Eva didn't solve it and was actually following Sayo's orders, what was the whole point of showing Eva's emotional struggle in the fantasy?), and I think I found a solution through yet another alternative for how (cont)
Well...
considering weāve no official solution your solution is possible... but Iām still in the camp of Eva never solving the epitaph but being shown the gold (sort of like it was done in āOur confessionā with Natsuhi and Krauss) and promised headship and gold if she were to carry on Sayoās plan.
First of all because we need for the culprit/mastermind to be Sayo... and in your theory the role switch to Eva halfway. Then in Ep 7 manga version weāre told that Eva and Hideyoshi were BRIBED not that they managed to get in charge of the whole thing.
Also if we are to accept that Sayo would comply to the wishes of whoever managed to solve the epitaph, including accepting whatever punishment they might give her she canāt act in retaliation. Thatās not really complying to Evaās wishes or accepting a punishment, thatās rebelling to Evaās wishes and administring punishment in retaliation.
Iāll also say that if she really were to decide to rebel sheāll act like she did in Prime but this might be just me.
The point of Eva's emotional struggle in the fantasymight be to prove that, although Eva had agreed, sheās having second thoughts.
Although she was bribed by Sayo, Rosaās murder seems an unexpected incident (Eva pushed her but she couldnāt be sure this would prove to be fatal) and Mariaās strangulation something unplanned and done in the heat of the moment, not something Eva did in cold blood.
Sayo didnāt want Maria to be strangled, her body wasnāt meant to be disgraced.
Eva and Hideyoshi had been bribed in Ep 1 as well, but back there they didnāt have to kill anyone. Itās possible they werenāt meant to kill anyone here as well but things soon slipped out of control.
However, as I said, your theory can work as well as we really have little to work with in terms of official answers which is a pity. It would be nice if in the future we could discover the truth.
