#rantingspade =>I talk unnecessarily long about some random topic
#yellingspade =>I get really pissed at something (usually irl shit)
#fandomspade =>I say things i'm to afraid to say on main because some of the people in these fandoms can be absolute dicks
#politicalspade =>I get really loud about politics
DNI:
-irls
-misogynists, terfs, homophobes, biphobes transphobes, aphobes, anti-polyamory, anti-neo/xenopronouns, anti-furry, anti-therian, fatphobies, body-shamers in general, racists, ableists, xenophobes, antisemits, zionists (and anyone against any religion tbh), bigots in general
-people who support: incest, pedophilia, abuse, rape, isreal, generative ai, ice (the organisation), nazis, the german political party afd, putin, trump, merz, elon musk (ect), murder, bullying, hatred ect
-anyone who is pro military/pro war/pro censorship
I made this blog to be a lil hater just so you're aware so don't expect too much positivity
So in Twitter a user said that it shouldn't be even necessary to Abolish or Legs to make a dni tag, which legundo answered:
"For what it’s worth, my tag exists for people who want space from CCs, not as a place for people to ignore consent. This way people who want a “fan space” but still treat me as a human being can have both. I like to meet people with respect and all I ask for is the same."
Later, answering to a response of this (nothing worth mentioning):
"No no, you're good! In fact, I'm 100% agreeing with her point!
I don't want people to think that a dni tag = consent is no longer important, or that I'd ever condone that so I just try to get ahead from that narrative being spun ever.
It's just about mutual respect 😀"
And I Uhhh, wanted to hear your thoughts about the matter lol.
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well, mostly what i said on the last ask i just replied to, lmao, that's my opinion
that, and that every cc should be sat down by abolish regret and zombiecleo to learn about actual fandom culture and how to deal with it
yk i'm very glad that i made this account. made it initially on a whim to yell about my classmates being dumbasses without having my irls see it and now i get to yell about minecrafters youtubers being dumbasses without having to hold back. i can actually be bold here without being afraid :p
ok, i went and found pyro's statement from discord and i have concerns.
first, we're starting right off the bat we have proof that what people were worried about is correct: people are already finding fans to out to pyro. so you are going to have this fandom become a panopticon where keeping track of your fellow fans to turn them in is normal. and i would hope i don't have to explain why this is a bad thing.
second, he didn't back down on the wording at all. even if he doesn't mean to cause harassment, that's exactly what's going to happen (see above). fans are basically being rewarded for turning other fans in and the threats that he made which sparked harassment already still stand.
the whole issue is that instead of taking a reasonable stance on the issue that people like cleo have done, he's creating an environment that sews distrust among fans. because of not understanding what a boundary is. it is absolutely more than fair to block people you come across who are making you uncomfortable. it's fine to ask people not to do something with the understanding that if they do, you'll block them.
it's just not ok to spur this kind of attitude in fandom spaces while also not doing anything to keep yourself away from things you dislike, like blacklisting and blocking certain tags.
Ok (possibly, depends on how much more I think about this) last post about this tonight.
Whether he meant it as such or not, Pyroscythe called for people to harass shippers, live on a still public stream, to a large audience. He then clarified that he did not meant it as a harassment threat / call for harassment and that he meant his mods banning people from his spaces...which yay! Good! Thank you for the clarification! But why was it said in a fan server? Why was it said 4 days after the initial statement? Why was it not said publicly? Why hasn't anything been said publicly about the statement? Why is the statement that implied harassment is okay, wether that be the intended purpose or not, public, but the clarification is not? (<- genuine questions)
From the person that informed me about the discord statement, Pyroscythe said that "There won’t be witch hunts or targeted harassment - that’s stupid, unreasonable and ineffective." Which is interesting - because targeted harassment is already happening. Would love for them to actually adress the harassment their fans have done in the name of "protecting their boundaries"!
(As clarification: I know there is a mod going around being open to private questions and dms about this, I don't care. I would prefer a public statement about how no harassment of any kind is okay from the actual person that made a harassment thread in the first place, whether intentional or not, and not a mod.)
Remember: Harassment of any kind is not okay, censorship is not okay. And if you disagree: Feel free to block me!
I need the mcyt fan space on Youtube to actually read through people's criticism of the whole "boundary" thing because how come every single person over there is calling us "whiny bitches" who "can't let go of their yaoi" and have to "learn to respect boundaries", while also not addressing the "little birds in all the forests, I have my people who will deal with repeat offenders in ways I deem appropriate" statement (that while apparently privately in a discord server has been addressed but not publicly so it's still out there for everyone to see and see as instruction to harass people) at all. I have also seen people complain that were calling "open discussions" and "reasonable arguments" harassment and "throwing around the term".
And seeing all of that...Do you guys actually read any of our posts?? Like it just sounds like you're listening to everything the creators have to say and don't care to hear us out?? So many of you are acting with so much moral high ground, claiming that it's important to respect creators boundaries. Which yes it is, no one is saying it isnt!! I have not seen a single person under the three major tags of this discussion say anything different! If you have feel free to put it in my ask box or dms, because I would love to see that to have evidence on all the sides!
What Pyroscythe and Millkberry put in place is, by definition, not a boundary, it is a rule at best and censorship at worst. Ihave a whole post about it if you care to see. Actually I would love for mcyt youtube fan community to read it! Because you know it also includes the "open discussions" and "reasonable arguments" (better known as death, sa and rape threats, calling people slurs and telling them to cut themsleves!!) that you claim aren't harassment. Which frankly if you actually looked at our arguments and posts you should absolutely know ARE harassment. And if you don't think so, the block button is right there! Feel free to use it!!
I need you guys to ACTUALLY hear us out and look up the definitions of the words boundary, rule and censorship, before acting like this.
I know that there is a lot of young people in the mcyt fandom, who have not developed and learned how to pick apart texts and notice specific things in them yet. So, because of recent stuff and the words "boundaries", "rules" and "censorship" being thrown around like candy, here's someone who has these skills (me) going through Millkberrys and Pyroscythes statements.
(TW for death, rape and sa threats, mention of sh and harassment, use of the r-slur)
First off, the actual official definitions of the words:
(The first one is from wikipedia, the other two from the Cambridge dictionary, you can look them up if you'd like full confirmation on the sources.)
(notable, fan works such as fanart, fanfiction and headcanons or shitposts are considered a work of art and/or kind of communication with other fans.)
(notable #2, the ideas people are allowed to express and the certain ideas that are included or supported in this case is the shipping of the creators characters.)
(notable #3, content creators / mcyts are minor celebrities and with that have authority over their fan communitys. If you disagree, feel free to block me, I will not be arguing over this.)
And now, me marking/highligthing things in the statements that fit those definitions/descriptions:
What's a boundary or implies one is marked with green.
What's not a boundary is marked with yellow.
What's a rule or implies a rule is marked with blue.
What's censorship is marked red.
I want it to be noted that the only times boundaries are implied or mentioned by either of them, is the word, regarding that this is for Millkberrys mental health or when the actual act of setting boundaries is dismissed (as a past action or entirely).
This is not to mention Pyroscythes literal thread of harassment and policing people, which has already taken action through other fans putting death and rape threads in peoples ask boxes:
(If any of the victims of the threats want me to take them out of this, feel free to tell me and I will do so!)
Apparently one of Pyroscythes mods claimed on Twitter that it was meant as a joke. However, considering the very serious nature of both the stream segment and his expression as well as the fact that it came from a mod and Pyroscythe has yet to actually say anything on this themself, I'm inclined to not believe it.
Lastly, my opinion on this:
Harassment is never okay and no matter how many times these creators have said in the past that they don't endorse it, reality is looking different right now. You cannot tell your large audience what Pyroscythe has told his and expect it not to listen to you, no matter if it was meant as a joke or not.
This is not a boundary, it is a rule at minimum and censorship at worse. Censorship is rampant right now and fandom spaces are some of the few spaces that allow free expression, trying to take that away is not okay. If you cannot handle seeing ship content of your characters, then you should block people who do make art of it, block the shipping tags and not go out of your way to look for it. You can ask people not to show that art to you, and that is completely valid. It is also completely valid to ban people from Stream chats and discords if they do show it to you. It is not valid to tell people what kind of art they can and cannot create however. And if you can't handle the idea of ship content of your characters existing at all, then maybe you should rethink your career choice as a content creator who focuses on roleplay and character creation.
Knowing lots of people shat on Scott Smajor for "putting himself on a super op team and giving himself a bonus" and now seeing red rabbits, which i had a feeling were way more stacked but no one talked about, in dodge bolt feels very cathartic.
I think what still bothers me the most about the "Skizz is friends with MAGA and claims they're good people" thing being swept under the rug by many fans is that most of them use the excuse of "well he lives in a red state and probably grew up around there so he must struggle with unlearning the hatred" which. That in itself isn't my problem, my problem is that many fans act is if that means everything is okay and dandy.
I grew up in a village in germany (which has a massive racism problem) , in a neighbourhood filled with elderly, richer white people. I grew up in a family full of low-key racists and went to schools that had a lot of anti-immigrants and racist shit going on, both by students and teachers. And yet, if one of my friends says a racist thing i call them out immediately and i ask them to call me out to. And yet if my best friend of 15+ years or my platonic partner of 5+ years was continuously racist I would end that friendship. I would break contact with them and I would accept that they were bad people and would tell that to others too.
Skizz has friends who are MAGA. Who vote Donald Trump and endorse ICE. And he has actively (in his apology) said that he firmly "knows" that they are "good people." But when they endorse murderers and rapists they cannot physically be good people, can they?
What bothers me about "he lives in a red state" and then acting as if everything is okay is that I'm half of Skizz' age but still have the maturity to acknowledge when my friends are bad people and do shitty things while he sits there and acts as if their shitty actions don't exist because "Dont worry guys!! I know they're good people!! Trust me!!"
"Unlearning hatred takes time-" Oh I know. But he has had that time already. He is around double my age. He has been in the life series since the beginning. He's been on the internet for much longer. He said he wants to learn and do better and I do believe he's being truthful and hope he does learn.
"He lives in a red state" may be a reason for why he endorses MAGA, but it is not an excuse and I need you guys to stop acting like it is.
People who say they are Scott Smajor fans and then proceed to say that he needs to and deserves to die for not 100% balancing mcc teams like okay buddy sure
