Something I haven't seen people talk about a lot is the connection between Asgore and the classic Achilles mythos. Achilles killed Hector and dragged his body around the walls of Troy as revenge for killing Patroclus
aYO thats mad interesting :0!! Admittedly I didn't make that connection, what an interesting parallel to see. Another thing about that story is that Hector tries to flee from Achilles in a surge of fear seeing the man approach him. Like if I were Kris and I heard my dad is ready to straight up murder whoever made the fountain, I'd be a lil fearful too.
First, icarus parallel with spamton, this parallel with asgore, Queen's beta design having a medusa look to her, its neat to see greek mythos pop up in deltarune
Somethin I learned from a mythos class is that myth is so ingrained into culture and the art of storytelling that whether you mean to or not, elements of past myths end up showing up in your story and I think thats pretty neat
So now that you (supposedly) finished chapter 5, what are your final thoughts on Flowery and the other flowers?
Was waiting to answer this til I saw ch 5 all the way to the end (and then forgot to answer this yesterday oops)
FLOWERS THOUGHTS AND OVERALL CH 5 THOUGHTS:
I really really enjoyed this chapter!! I haven't played it myself yet so I can't speak on gameplay, but story-wise/character moments-wise, I really enjoyed it! And I LOOOOOVE THE FLOWERS. They all have such cute and funny chemistry, and its a CRIME they can't join castletown. (like I understand why but I'm GREEEEDY)
Prob predictable, but Yellow is my favorite, nooo dont kill yourself, you're so funny haha. Tho Green is my absolute homie.
As for Flowery, I was a hater like Ralsei at first, especially wanted to pummel the twink when he told Kris they made their own dad miserable. But damn, from just before his boss fight and especially during and after, I ended up really respecting the dude. He really did care for his friends and just wanted to give back the love Asgore poured into them over the years. Toby fox is EVIL for getting me to like the dude MINUTES before he straight up died god damn.
Speaking of Asgore;
He's a god of a gardener to be able to keep flowers alive for over 20 years
I LOOOOVE what this ch did with his character!! We finally get to see a side of him that we've never been able to, even in undertale. And that's he's VENGEFUL and PISSED. The piece of dialogue where he said he's going to straight up KILL the fountain maker and drag their corpse AROUND TOWN was so so cool, awesome, and scary
Also neat to learn the divorce happened cause of his self-hatred spiral
Other stuff I like about this chapter:
love LOVE Ralsei's hater arc, funny as hell to see this kid get so huffin mad over this twink and overall great character growth for the kid (tho really their discussion on what fountains should be left open is fascinating)
trans ralsei canon?! how neat! (from flowery calling him princess to asgore they/theming him whoa.)
susie and noelle are SOOOO CUUUTE OUUUUGH but also oh my god kris :""""(
susie considering castletown her safest home shatters my heart, oh my god girl how horrific is your actual home life
this chapter easily has been my favorite when it comes to portraits, Im so happy they really been pushing to make them so funny, so many of them gave me a real good laugh
MY PRAYERS ANSWERED FOR A GIRLIE SECRET BOSS LETS GOOO (I did hit the real time fandub 'HATSUNE MIKU?!?!!!')
Some wee complaints I do have for the chapter:
once again, I havent played it so who am I to have a hard judge on it, but just watching my friend, god damn does this ch kick your ass. NOW I DONT WANT THE GAME TO BE ON BABY EASY MODE, like I think its fine for bosses to kick your ass, I always thought (mostly ch 1 + 2) bosses were too easy. But normal enemies were putting my friend thru the wringer, I get we're past the halfway mark but it's a real sudden incline in difficulty, you know? So I think normal enemy damage output could be tweaked sliiiightly down or be a lil more generous with getting healing items (cause damn this is the first ch where it feels like you're starved for it)
Listen, I love the setting, it's gorgeous and I love every enemy thrown our way. But seriously why are we in japan? Every ch before has made sense in its setting; Ch 1 is a kingdom cause it revolves around the royalty of cards, Ch 2 is a city cause the internet can easily be seen as this metropolis of ads and play (also routers kinda look like city buildings), Ch 3 is a TV studio because the main man is a TV, thats where they film the everything, Ch 4 is a church cause...well its in the church and its about deltarune's religion, then theres Ch 5. We're in japan because...? Asgore has a mewmew figure and the superhero comic that turned out to be a manga? ok? If toby wants a Japan-based setting thats FINE, but I wish there was more justification to it. Cause over the chapters it kept mentioning how Asgore likes cowboys and listens to country music, things that woulda pointed to more western theming, but we only see that with Yellow. And ok sure, Kris is the one that opened the fountain, but still we dont really see them be a weeb over the course of the game, the exact opposite in fact. I'm not asking to completely change the darkworld, just more set dressing in Asgore's shop, like more memorabilia; hell could maybe change the country cds in his truck to j-pop or somethin.
that's all I can think of rn with my thoughts about ch 5, overall I had a good time! I gotta play it myself to really see where I'd put it in my tier list of chapters
thanks to the couple of anons that explained in my inbox. As an adult with a job, I'm not about to stoke needless drama; I'm just here to talk about my interest and draw silly stuff
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