Fish in Exile
On November 3, 2016, I sent this message to my friend Vi, whose book Fish in Exile is helping me breathe:
Sent Nov 3, 2016 11:04:08 AM Vi Khi Nao Vi, I just love yr book. Do you know that my blog, going way back to the live journal days (and now tumblr) is called internal exile?
This opened a conversation in which Vi generously asked me about my writing and thinking. I believe her ability to draw out language for what people have in mind, and her curiosity and compassion for what people are thinking and how thought is linguistic, is crucial to her poetics. It is one of the things that makes her such a breathtaking (and breathgiving!) writer.
I want to share some of our conversation, which picked back up today, November 12, 2016. Vi asked me to share it on my blog and on Amazon. I hope that if you find her book at Amazon you will order it from Coffee House Press or find a copy at your local bookstore, or I hope you can make it to a not-so-local bookstore to find it.
Our conversation continues [note: the “Sent” messages are written by me and the “Received” messages are from Vi, though they are all stamped with her name]:
Sent Nov 3, 2016 11:06:33 AM Vi Khi Nao i don't write there much anymore because i wrote trouble songs instead, but exile is writing space. position from/in which to write. feel that strongly in yr book.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:14:06 PM Vi Khi Nao Ah. I am glad you love the book, Jeff. Tell me more about internal exile and why you feel connected to it with my book?
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:19:05 PM Vi Khi Nao I am in Baltimore!
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:19:22 PM Vi Khi Nao Internal exile became meaningful to me during the bush II regime when i read about the idea that people are in exile in their own countries because of a profound disconnect with cultural and political realities. Over time that became a way for me to think also about the simultaneous sense of alienation and connection i have when i write and read. There is a community of writers and thinkers but i feel more connected to them when i write and read then i do in person. Then there's the complicated position of the non-conventional writer in the culture at large. They legitimize literature as art but are also marginalized for their abstractions and resistance to commodification.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:19:33 PM Vi Khi Nao And, when you get a chance will you post a small review on Amazon and Goodreads?
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:19:38 PM Vi Khi Nao Sorry for such long texts! OK so how that connects to your book...
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:20:17 PM Vi Khi Nao That sense of living in exile where you are (still?) in the place from which you have been exiled is palpable in your book.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:20:40 PM Vi Khi Nao Will you put all of this in your review?
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:21:15 PM Vi Khi Nao I wonder if others feel the same as you. Perhaps to give it opportunity to expand the conversation.
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:21:28 PM Vi Khi Nao I will post things for sure. I'll put this stuff in a post on internal exile tumblr then excerpt for goodreads etc. thanks for writing such an awesome, inspiring book!
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:21:53 PM Vi Khi Nao Yes, meta-exile.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:22:40 PM Vi Khi Nao Thank you for reading Jeff and providing me feedbacks. It is nice. I don't want my book to be in exile!!
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:22:51 PM Vi Khi Nao Even if it has exile in its title.
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:22:59 PM Vi Khi Nao Baltimore is great! What a bizarre city! Speaking of meta-exile. There is an odd bookshop there i like. Have to remember the name but maybe you already found it.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:23:48 PM Vi Khi Nao That is an astute observation about internal exile, still experiencing it despite thinking one has escaped it.
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:24:00 PM Vi Khi Nao I do not think your book will be in exile, tho it speaks to the exiled. Like how jalal toufic wrote a book for the undead (called (vampires)).
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:24:12 PM Vi Khi Nao I am only at the airport, waiting...
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:24:32 PM Vi Khi Nao Then when you leave a place you are still there but also can't return.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:25:12 PM Vi Khi Nao Yes..exactly. You nailed it.
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:25:17 PM Vi Khi Nao My architecture students are writing about atopic spaces (atopias), and airports are an example.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:25:35 PM Vi Khi Nao I see. Why is that?
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:26:12 PM Vi Khi Nao I think about this (exile) a lot as a former californian. I lived there for a lifetime.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:26:55 PM Vi Khi Nao I see. Tell me more !
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:27:11 PM Vi Khi Nao About your experience in CA
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:27:43 PM Vi Khi Nao Atopic spaces are non-spaces that cannot be incorporated into a sense of place. They operate like traffic islands that are in the middle but also the periphery of city activity.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:30:31 PM Vi Khi Nao I see.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:30:55 PM Vi Khi Nao An architectural island
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:31:21 PM Vi Khi Nao I grew up in southern california (socal) then moved to northern california (nocal?) to go to college and ended up living in oakland for over 15 years. So i was already in exile from california in california. Then i almost moved to pittsburgh but met c who was on her way out and almost moved to oakland, then we moved to providence for a year then brooklyn. I also moved to brooklyn for 6 months before pvd while i also still lived in nocal, so i was in exile from my nocal community (and alienated all my friends unintentionally). I didn't know it but i was already leaving nocal.
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:33:56 PM Vi Khi Nao But c loves LA which gave me a new connection to it, except that i grew up there and am in exile from LA. So when we visit it is new but also the old LA and i do not belong there just as i do not belong in the valley (the suburbs outside LA) where i grew up. And i am in exile from the bay area (nocal) though i could easily move there where there are lots of architectural drafting opportunities. But the bay area is in exile from itself now, as it exists inside a burst tech bubble.
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:35:31 PM Vi Khi Nao For now i prefer my internal exile in brooklyn, where my favorite writers and thinkers, my compatriots, pass through but do not live.
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:36:29 PM Vi Khi Nao Or they live here in exile from finance, real estate, nyt bestseller list, baby strollers, etc.
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:37:06 PM Vi Khi Nao Ok you pried open my lid! I guess it wasn't on so tight. Thanks for listening!
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:39:34 PM Vi Khi Nao Wow!!
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:40:00 PM Vi Khi Nao That is a lot you covered there Jeff in a tight space.
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:40:23 PM Vi Khi Nao You are also a fast typist....I am very slow.
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:41:16 PM Vi Khi Nao I am cheating because i have an external keyboard attached to my phone!
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:42:08 PM Vi Khi Nao Ha ha that must have been strange for you to imagine fingers moving like that on the screen!
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:42:12 PM Vi Khi Nao Ah!!!
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:42:49 PM Vi Khi Nao Indeed!!
Sent Nov 3, 2016 12:44:05 PM Vi Khi Nao Sorry if i was unintentionally terrifying! ;)
Received Nov 3, 2016 12:44:49 PM Vi Khi Nao Lol. Hardly :)
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Time passes, a racist sexist anti-gay authoritarian billionaire is apparently selected by the electoral college to be the next president of the USA.
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Received Nov 12, 2016 8:49:59 AM Vi Khi Nao Dear Jeff - How are you ?
Sent Nov 12, 2016 10:55:48 AM Vi Khi Nao Hi Vi! Having a hard time with this bad reality. How about you?
Received Nov 12, 2016 10:56:50 AM Vi Khi Nao Very sad....so sad, Jeff.
Received Nov 12, 2016 10:57:04 AM Vi Khi Nao How is C?
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:01:45 AM Vi Khi Nao She's frustrated, sad, in pain. But we're both trying to take some measure of solace in people on the street, who are generally being decent. But like one gross older white man having a tantrum at the food coop last night, and the other white man defending him, is a reminder of this gnarly male fragility going on.
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:02:42 AM Vi Khi Nao What an image, Jeff !!
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:03:09 AM Vi Khi Nao Adult tantrum is important
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:03:42 AM Vi Khi Nao What do you do to cope ?
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:05:32 AM Vi Khi Nao i prefer yoko ono's eloquent tantrum (did you hear the audio response she posted to her twitter?) to some dude complaining that he can't have what he wants right now (in this case he wanted to shop after the store was closed, so he started yelling at people).
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:05:42 AM Vi Khi Nao trying to read and look people in the eyes.
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:06:07 AM Vi Khi Nao frustrated that i feel busy with work. being busy with work is part of our problem.
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:06:35 AM Vi Khi Nao No. I have not seen Yoko Ono's tantrum.
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:06:59 AM Vi Khi Nao Ah. I see. Why is it busyness part of our problem?
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:07:24 AM Vi Khi Nao https://twitter.com/yokoono/status/797187458505080834
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:08:12 AM Vi Khi Nao Oh my god.
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:08:54 AM Vi Khi Nao Need to make money and produce goods/services supersedes more vital exchange of warmth, compassion, ideas.
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:09:37 AM Vi Khi Nao That. Yes.
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:10:19 AM Vi Khi Nao Also concerned about this emergent refrain of "self care" which sounds like another route to individualism, when we need to take care of each other.
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:10:56 AM Vi Khi Nao Woke up to that Yoko Ono recording this morning. A glimmer.
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:12:40 AM Vi Khi Nao Yes. We must take care of each other.
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:12:44 AM Vi Khi Nao Here are the books I'm turning to. Also Fish in Exile.
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:16:30 AM Vi Khi Nao Ah. Beautiful.
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:19:07 AM Vi Khi Nao Will you post a review of Fish In Exile, atropic space, and internal exile today, Jeff?
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:19:40 AM Vi Khi Nao And Yoko Ono's tantrum and this: i prefer yoko ono's eloquent tantrum (did you hear the audio response she posted to her twitter?) to some dude complaining that he can't have what he wants right now (in this case he wanted to shop after the store was closed, so he started yelling at people).
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:20:17 AM Vi Khi Nao I want you to document this moment on Amazon
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:21:33 AM Vi Khi Nao Oh yes this is one of the things I want to work on and that's a good example of busyness superseding more important matters. I will try to do this soon. I want to read more of your book first, as I am savoring it. But you have a good point about documenting this moment!
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:22:18 AM Vi Khi Nao I'll start assembling snippets from these conversations and put them there and on my blog!
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:22:35 AM Vi Khi Nao Yes! Please do.
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:22:44 AM Vi Khi Nao Our chats have been a great comfort, as is knowing you are there in the world!
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:23:09 AM Vi Khi Nao I want others who read reviews of this book to know the context in which this book was born into.
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:23:30 AM Vi Khi Nao Likewise, Jeff. This conversation is important.
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:24:28 AM Vi Khi Nao It has been a ballast!
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:24:55 AM Vi Khi Nao If you post it today ! I would love that very much. It doesn't even have to be about Fish in Exile ! I hope people will respond to your Amazon post and a dialogue can get started
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:25:56 AM Vi Khi Nao Went on a road trip with c and i to clarion PA for a university reading last weekend and the 3 of us talked about how wonderful you are and how you draw out eloquence and thoughtfulness in conversation.
Sent Nov 12, 2016 11:26:17 AM Vi Khi Nao Ok i will work on this now! Xox
Received Nov 12, 2016 11:27:57 AM Vi Khi Nao Excellent, Jeff !!! Thank you for sharing your words with me and the world. I know you make a huge impact through micro things.















