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[rockmerobin]

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[queercodednat]

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[gorgo01]

From the documentary:

[rockmerobin]

this is also a frame from wills vision as he approaches the pain tree and starts to see from henrys pov !

[gorgo01]

Hi. I decided to gather all the evidence about July 11th into one post. Now it will be updated whenever something else is found.

ㅤ➤The main theory with the full timeline.

ㅤ➤ Easter eggs in ST.

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ[D&D dice]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ[Timestamps in Season 5]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ[Season 5 documentary]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ[WSQK radio]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ[7-Eleven things]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ[Coca-Cola in Tales '85]

ㅤ➤ Other things

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ[Season 5 script]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ["Back to the Future:

ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤThe Musical"]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ[Blu-ray]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ["Stranger Things: The

ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ Official Story Behind the

ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ Legendary Series and SVBIGTH]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤ╰ clickㅤ[Coke in the promotional

ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤpost for the stage.]

I know that there are still many references to 7, 11, and Coca-Cola in the series.

If you want to help, write in DMs or in the comments under this post.

[rockmerobin]

the comic book Max shows to Eleven in s3 in early July, certainly before July 4th as we know was actually released on JULY 10th. mIt was also written by MINDY newell, which I found interesting

But Max had a comic from the future, specifically around the date July10-11 which is where a few other things fall

For example I have this huge theory about Eleven being Tharizdun, a very old and hidden dungeons and dragons god thats from old lore. This connects to the number 333 which just intrigued me because of El’s birthday.

El is said to be born JUNE 7th, and it’s noted that it was a premature birth. 33 days after her birthday given in canon, lands on July 10th!

year given is 85, but the time between dates is the same in 85 and 71

It’s one day off from July 11th, but I do think they’re close enough for them to be considered together! given how some info on Coke Original’s return says July 10th and others say July 11th!

Add in that the WSQK radio continued to say on the last day

“It all ends at 11” … so i seriously have been considering if the announcement of new content would come on July 10th and then the content itself on July 11th.

[beaulesbian]

More timeline reset thoughts

There are two scenes overlapping when we see Vecna searching in Will's mind/ memories in 5x6, and I keep wondering what this part could have actually been:

The original scene looks like this (around 36min):

We see Will seemingly alone trapped in his mind-memory of the library, bleeding from his eyes, ears and nose, while memories of the hospital briefly flash through the other scene that looks like the demo vision,

but later in the same episode, when El goes to find Will and gets him out of the vines, there's a flashback, and we only see the part with the hospital memories, while Will's eyes start bleeding but not any blood from his nose -

it's basically the same scene, but it's different how we see Will.

which makes these scenes out of order.

Will remembers that Vecna was searching for Max, thats the scene that gets repeated, as the gifs above. But the forest/train tracks aren't repeated. As if that memory vanished.

When Vecna says 'Found you' we are supposed to think it was all about trying to find Max's exact location, and once he's found that, he lets Will go.

and that's the scene from the top of this post, where we see Will alone, trapped in the vines, until El finds him.

She frees him and waits (unknown time) for Will to wake up. His nose and ears are bloody again,

as if he was using his powers against the mind control, against Vecna searching his mind.

But I don't think it was simply demo vision of going to the Hawkins after Max.

I was thinking maybe Will was trying to put Vecna on the wrong track in his mind, maybe he was trying to resist Vecna searching for something other than Max.

Because this demo version we saw earlier, it looks like train tracks, it could be the same we saw in s1 or s2, which lead to the junkyard, I think. Or it could be leading somewhere else in the forest.

there's only one another scene with tracks in s5, and that's in 5x2 with El and Hopper are in the Upside Down, searching for Holly and going towards the wall and also towards the military base..

i have two theories about that,

either Vecna was searching for that place too, because why would he liked having the military inside his "unspoiled realm" but maybe the kryptonite devices would work against him too? There's something very weird how unexplained the military inside Upside Down was, and if Vecna was even aware of that, they were doing experiments on his vines. When I was rewatching the season, it seemed like Vecna was really set on killing all of those soldiers from 5x1 (the demogorgon wasn't paying any attention to Hopper when he sneaked in to the UD, and yes, that could have also been Will subconsciously protecting him through the first demo vision he had, but also maybe the demo just had orders to get rid of the soldiers? and only when Vecna learnt that Will was in the hive mind, he went after the Wheelers? to make Will watch, basically. I still have so many questions.), Then in 5x4 when Vecna made his appearance at the MAC-Z/library, he made quick work with all of the soldiers again. I can't decide on how it could work with the military in the UD, does he "let" them stay? maybe thinking they're inconsequential and he knows the UD wouldn't exist for long?, or if he can't get to them for some reason? For some illusion maybe?

or - that during him searching Will's mind, he was actually trying to get something else than Max's location out of him.

Now that I've watched the VR game, it made me think even more it was Vecna searching for secrets in Will's mind.. for his friends' secrets and fears..

and with the way the demo vision scene in 5x6 looks like its heading towards the woods, I wouldn't be suprised if that was where Will himself was hiding, in his happy memories, in Castle Byers maybe, trying to fortify his mind against Vecna's attacks. But we know he showed him something awful that he couldn't fight against, even with the happy memories. It didn't work on him. He got past that. (Where did he go in Will's mind.. where did he hide in there?)

These words might have been less to do with the physical pain of Vecna getting inside Will's mind, and more about what pain he would inflict on Will's friends and family if he didn't get what he wanted. It might have been about the visions Vecna showed Will, but without seeing them, we can only speculate what Will saw.

Him saying "I found you." would then connect with whoever was hiding at this location, either Will's secrets that Vecna used against him later (the coming out scene), or maybe it wasn't Vecna's plan to get the secrets out of Will, but to get inside Will's mind, to find Will - inside Will's mind. To use him again like a vessel, for himself this time - and with how the rest of the season went, it could be said that it wasn't exactly Will from then on, but more like a weird mix between them.

We haven't seen what Vecna showed Will, and that's a big difference from the general tv rule of 'show don't tell'. They broke that rule here. And I think that might be one of the biggest conformitygate hints. In prior seasons, we always got a flashback, a reminder when someone was talking about something important. Even in 5x5 we got flashbacks to the grey dial, which later in 5x5 turned red. So why suddenly not show this specific, horrific, mind-altering moment/vision?

Will only told us about it happening and described the effect it had on him. It was something so awful that he couldn't keep fighting against Vecna in his own mind anymore. Vecna won.

([I'm] just as scared of losing you, just like you're scared of losing her.)

And Will (we) failed... this time.

The timeline-fuckery/timeloop possibility makes me wonder if this (Will being trapped by Vecna in 5x6) could have been a "save point". If someone else would find Will while he was trapped inside his mind, and anchored him back to reality with voice or maybe just touch, it might have been enough - to give Will the courage to fight on... and the time to hold on longer against Vecna.

[warmglowhc]

Tharizdun's symbol

I don't understand why she's pushing Max around (if this even is Max) or why Vickie needs to be in this scene at all (if this even is Vickie) (if any of this is even real at all).

Vickie puts the sweater on after Max wakes up in EP7 and wears it throughout the finale. It reminds me a bit of Mr. Clark's sweater in EP3.

[warmglowhc]

Tharizdun's symbol

I don't understand why she's pushing Max around (if this even is Max) or why Vickie needs to be in this scene at all (if this even is Vickie) (if any of this is even real at all).

Vickie puts the sweater on after Max wakes up in EP7 and wears it throughout the finale. It reminds me a bit of Mr. Clark's sweater in EP3.

[rockmerobin]

i made the tharizdun theory and vickie is a follower of him. shes been blinded by tharizdun. shes got purple eyeshadow

[warmglowhc]

Tharizdun's symbol

I don't understand why she's pushing Max around (if this even is Max) or why Vickie needs to be in this scene at all (if this even is Vickie) (if any of this is even real at all).

Vickie puts the sweater on after Max wakes up in EP7 and wears it throughout the finale. It reminds me a bit of Mr. Clark's sweater in EP3.

[o11yradio]

DECODING ROBIN BUCKLEY

This is Robin. I think she's been on a ship.

I've posted about the Robin / Jonathan tether before.

I also want to shoutout this interesting Jonathan & Robin edit...

And helloooo sailors! (I just noticed it says BOOBS on the cash register lmfao)

Sooooo Robin was on a ship. And maybe Steve, too.

This post by @sterlingarcher23 points out where The Mercury Project, a Nasa project that intended to get a man into Earth's orbit, was referenced in Stranger Things, with a focus on it showing up around El and Max via rocket ship imagery. Sterling points out that The Mercury Project logo is the symbol for mercury, which is associated with gender nonconformity.

Sterling points out that in this frame, behind Max, it says news from space, first woman walks in space and it looks like the Creel door.

May I add Robin has the key to that door?

And 'News' is a Nancy reference.

Sterling also found the patch for the first woman's spacewalk.

Is it not what Robin is looking at in the S5 trailer?!

Besides the fact that Robin is bleeding from the Soteria spot... the framing suggests the blood leads to her. Uhhhh what blood? The blood of The Mercury Project, of course. Nice patch, Robin.

Besides being an element, Mercury is also a god associated with language and cunning: translation. Robin translates Russian and is a codegirl.

Sterling in the comments: "Made a bit research: Quote from the NASA page 'The symbol for Mercury represents the head and winged cap of Mercury, god of commerce and communication, surmounting his caduceus (staff).' (A Caduceus is a winged staff with two entwined snakes. I think the Auryn from The Neverending Story is influenced by it.). The lower part as a cross was later added after the 11th century to christiniaze the symbol. "If I only could make a deal with God""

The god Mercury carries a staff in his left hand called Caduceus; this staff represents trade and commerce. I have a lot of posts about 'trade' and swapping places - I think Jon and Robin might be swapped somehow. And I like the commerce part because Robin stays mad employed lol. Caduceus is also carried by Iris, the rainbow goddess. The origins of the staff can be read here if anyone wants it; this is probably the source of the gender swap association.

CADUCEUS has a code.

Unicode means base 16, so you have to convert it to base 10 (normal numbers). Then I added the numbers together, Sterling style.

2624 = 9764 = 26 (letters in the alphabet)

269A = 9882 = 27 (?) 1F750 = 128848 = 150 (?)

2BDA = 11226 JACKPOT! I think I did a math!

11 is obvious (5+6 = ElMax), 22 = chance, 6 = nuggets/test subjects

This makes me think we need Eleven, luck, and the 6 original subjects to defeat the big bad, but we will shelf that thought for another day.

Also if you look at the screenshot above, 2BDA is for HYGIEA, who is the daughter of the God of Health (The Cure reference? she actually represented preventing ever needing a cure in the first place, so I wonder if this kind of ties into the brick vs. key parallel, if key = cure, Robin doesn't need a key). Her and her father are dreamwalkers.

Code intermission over.

Back to Robin's patch and the symbol of Mercury. Noticing:

FOUND IT.

Meet Orcus.

DND WIKI, Forgotten Realms Campaign (1987) created by Ed Greenwood (this is one of the most prolific DnD campaigns)

His physique was marked by bestial features: the horned, desiccated head of a ram, thick-furred legs and cloven hooves of a goat, massive, black wings of a bat, a great maw filled with tusks, and a long, thick, constantly moving tail, poison-tipped and covered in spines

Robin is associated with clooved animals (Like cows, pigs, horses).

The bat (bat) and tail (bat with spikes) are Steve.

If you combine them, you get a a horse creature with wings... an Indiana Flyer.

Orcus has three weapons:

His sword (Orcus poster in Mike's room OOUUUUH)

A crown which can corrupt a bloodline (... King Steve?... I actually think this could be about Robin though)

His wand (like Mercury's Caduceus!) which can slay any being.

I am sorry I couldn't help myself but like.... the resemblance is uncanny guys. It would be really funny if Steve has this as a weapon.

Orcus was a patron of sorts to the Oerthian mage Vecna, and was said to have offered him the ritual by which he became the first lich. The mutual hatred shared between Orcus and Demogorgon was legendary and the two battled against one another for millennia.

Orcus had a gluttonous hunger that could never be satiated. His servants gathered food from across the planes of existence in the ongoing futile attempt to sate his cravings. Only when the Blood Lord drank the blood of the living did he feel satisfaction. The multiverse's staunchest advocate for stagnation... He was believed to be capable of destroying the phylactery of any lich at will, and would readily do so if they displeased him. Similarly, if the physical form and phylactery of any lich was destroyed, Orcus could return them to existence (???) as a vestige.

(Vecna was first introduced in the Greyhawk Dungeons and Dragons campaign setting and is often considered one of the greatest villains of the tabletop game’s world. Initially, his only presence was in the Hand and Eye of Vecna, two remnant artifacts of his corporeal form. Largely regarded as a myth or legend, he was once a humanoid wizard who amassed enough power to become a lich. Liches are spellcasters who defy death through their magic, often through use of a phylactery that stores their soul in a bound, protected, separate location. The only way to destroy a lich is to destroy this phylactery, or else their soul can regenerate indefinitely — but it is most likely guarded extremely well. Liches retain their memories and knowledge, using their extensive lifespans to refine their skills and gather more power.)

Sounds to me like Orcus is a key participant in the destruction of Vecna, or a more empathetic take would be letting Henry's soul escape the Vecna form and move on. Orcus gets defeated eventually due to his carelessness and is erased from all recorded existence.

Orcus bestowed upon his servant named Thargaun Crell  the Crown of Narfell, a powerful artifact that would corrupt the royal line and their descendants for centuries. His dynasty would rule until they were slain by the twin sons of Graz'zt.

Reminder that we do not know where Robin's family is from. I think her or her family were on the boat with the Brenners.

But the Crell / Creel similarity makes me think Henry's lineage may be involved... and people always cite the Wheelers for some reason as being potentially related to him.

Hopper also calls himself cursed, and so does Max.

And there is always King Steve.

Twin sons = any of our 6 nuggets. I forgot to mention earlier, Orcus has two arch-nemeses. Demogorgon AND Graz'zt. Click the link of you want to read about him because that's Lonnie. So twins likely Willel (or... could be Robin and Jonathan...).

Thanks for reading and thinking with me as always :)

[o11yradio]

Figured it out

88

The scene Robin, Steve, Erica, and Dustin see

[o11yradio]

And here is 150

I KNEW THE S3 REWATCH WOULD BE WORTH IT

[o11yradio]

Freaking out :) Robin is an 'astronaut + sailor' confirmed.

So I was wondering last night why they introduced Russians and Robin at the same time, and why Robin would be the one associated with Project Mercury and sailors.

It clicked: a large part of the US v. Russia Cold War was the space race!

Immediately I remembered a weird exchange I saw today between Robin and Steve about a race:

Thanks google. Sure enough, Project Mercury is the first and only actual option (try Googling it yourself!).

It's a recovered artifact from a Project Mercury expedition. @sterlingarcher23

(I'd like to mention that the weapons of Orcus I mentioned above are called artifacts).

"This color photo depicts parts of the Liberty Bell 7 during a restoration process. The spacecraft was recovered from the sea on July 20, 1999."

(@anotherjlynn your post about 1999 or this one ?)

There is a photo of the artifact:

It is a lock that says 1814.

1814 is the year the Star Spangled Banner was written by Francis Scott Key.

I mentioned Robin has a key.

But that's all I got. Anything else about 1814?

Anything for the July 20 1999 date?!

@ven0moir consider this your appetizer before the stream post :P

[rockmerobin]

have yet to bring my elzidun info here so!

@ode.to.icarus on tiktok and @ode_to_icarus on twt

[rockmerobin]

the way this lowkeh blew me up guys

[wllbyers]

bylers creating conformitygate, pointing out all the inconsistencies and plot holes and it getting so popular that not only did the ga find it and agree, but it was even in publications like Forbes

[rockmerobin]

i got 1.4 MILLION views kn a tiktok abt it

[wllbyers]

bylers creating conformitygate, pointing out all the inconsistencies and plot holes and it getting so popular that not only did the ga find it and agree, but it was even in publications like Forbes

[wllbyers]

bylers creating conformitygate, pointing out all the inconsistencies and plot holes and it getting so popular that not only did the ga find it and agree, but it was even in publications like Forbes

[bylerspite]

El being Tharizdun from DnD is such a good theory my god

Please go share it guys and follow @rockmerobin who created the theory!

[rockmerobin]

this person reminded me tumblr exists ! so shall be writing up my full theory and tagging em!

[rockmerobin]

sick of making posts.

follow my document as i try to interconnect all of my theories together and solve the show !

byler is endgame fr

S5

Stranger Things Will Byers a series of connecting theories By: soup (@ode.to.icarus), WORK IN PROGRESS The Exotic Matter Origin: Will Wil

different tabs have different interconnected theories and there’s headings and subheadings

[rockmerobin]

Will Byers: a series of connecting theories

this is very long but all interconnected

The Exotic Matter Origin: Will

Will is the creator of the Upside Down (UD) and the exotic matter keeping it stabilised.

Wormholes

based on theoretical research, a basis in case you are unsure how they function. skippable after first paragraph tho

Wormholes in structure have two mouths. One at the top and one at the bottom. The tunnel connecting the two mouths can be referred to as a ‘throat’. The mouths are what connects the entry/exit points at either different points in time or space (time travel, dimension travel, or teleportation)

Within the throat that connects them is the Cauchy Horizon. This is similar to a black hole's Event horizon, but they function differently in terms of escapability.

Event Horizon: The blackhole Boundary line. It Is inescapable once crossed. Passing the event horizon of a black hole is the point of No Return. This is because the required escape velocity exceeds light speed

Cauchy Horizon: The wormhole boundary line, is escapable if negative energy is maintaining the wormhole. Aka keeping it stable

Cauchy Horizons are where determinism & causality breaks down and Proper time contracts.

Determinism is the rule that things within the universe are predetermined. all events are fixed within time by a prior cause

Causality is the rule of cause and effect. Something from the future can't affect the past

Proper time is when time intervals can be measured by a clock at rest. Time flows linearly

Proper time, causality, and determinism don’t function properly near the cauchy horizon.

The closer matter gets to the cauchy horizon, the more of the future they’ll see laid out before them. The more likely it becomes for Closed timelike loops (Timeloops) to form. These are loops where the future affects the past, breaking causality for that offshoot.

Will’s Disappearance: 24 Hours

In season 1, we don’t see or hear anything about what happens to Will for approximately 24 hours after his disappearance.

He communicates with his mom through the phone, but it isn’t until the night after he goes missing. This is the first evidence that Will is likely alive, as this is around the same time the boys encounter eleven in the woods.

So Will first communicated through electricity from the UD 24 hours after going missing.

The audience doesnt actually see the upside down at all either until at least 24 hours after Will disappears. and we know that eleven creates gates specifically to dimension x/the Abyss because of sending Henry there. Using that, the gate she creates in season 1 is originally a wormhole to the Abyss, not the Upside Down.

The demogorgons are now able to wormhole through, because she connected to them through the Void. This connection was a weak basis to hold this gate open, where it closed the last time. Except it’s originally unstable as it has no consistent negative energy/exotic matter feeding it. El is also stronger.

So when the demogorgon in the shed opens a portal, I believe Will jumped through it (incorrectly believing it would just go to outside). He also could have been snatched at this point and gotten away in X/The abyss.

The portal led to the Abyss instead, as that’s where the gates/portals originally lead.

We know from the play that it takes maximum 12 hours for dimension X/The abyss to alter DNA and give abilities because that happened to Henry and dr. brenners father, capt. brenner. Will is unaccounted for for twice as long, 24 hours before we have confirmation he’s alive.

This is because as we saw with Holly, he was likely running from Vecna/A demogorgon in X and lifted up a piece of the ground. If it was a case of just one gate being accessible in X/The Abyss, he reached that. I do believe it is the former though

And that’s because, the location we see Holly fall towards when she goes through the ground in the Abyss towards The UD is exactly where the Exotic Matter is.

Will had his DNA altered by the time he’s jumping through the unstable wormhole, wishing to be home. Except the home that Will remembered was that of Nov. 6th, and through timespace warping and his DNA change (innate abilities, he's a sorcerer) that’s the place he made himself go to and create (he’s a builder).

The issue came from the fact everyone else had moved on in time-space, to Present day.

But Will fell, likely stalling exactly where the Exotic Matter currently is and generated it there from his newfound abilities and wish of being home. This effectively stabilized the wormhole and allowed for Will to communicate with his mother through the copycat version of Hawkins. Because they’re still connected through space, but not time.

Also, we know that Henry and Will’s actual powers don’t come from the Mindflayer, but the DNA alteration. Will isn’t possessed by the MF until season 2, after he was already able to create the UD and have a sense for the Abyssal creatures. His DNA had already been altered, he was just traumatized. There was no way he was going to unlock his abilities when they require accepting himself

Exotic Matter/Negative Energy is likely Will’s soul or something similar.

Will and the Exotic Matter are One

When Will is fighting against Vecna in his mind in order to help Max and Holly, Will is originally winning. He manages to break Vecnas leg in his own mind (Ep 5 time 57:20)

The very next scene is of Jancy finding the Exotic Matter and Nancy shooting it. You can deduce these scenes are most likely happening at the same time or extremely similar times narratively.

So Nancy shoots the Exotic Matter, destabilizing it. At the same time, Will loses to Vecna and gets trapped in his mind.

The Exotic Matter remains destabilized for quite a stretch of time, decaying much more of the lab than originally was destroyed.

Jonathan and Nancy have given up, and are ready to die. Suddenly, without any explanation, the Exotic Matter stabilizes. (Ep6 time 48:28)

The very next scene is El finding and rescuing Will within Vecna’s mindscape.

Will being rescued stabilized the Exotic Matter, because he is the exotic matter. It’s either his brain or his soul.

Because Nancy shooting it gave Vecna the win he needed to win against Will and take his mind in order to get Will to be a spy again. (Its deeper than just Maxs location)

We also see Will’s face get placed directly on the Exotic Matter of the whiteboard diagram for the Wormhole

Top: Dimension X/The Abyss

Bottom: Hawkins, Indiana

Exotic Matter: UD : Aka Will

Creelby Parallels

The First Shadow

In The First Shadow, we see Brenner and the MF work together to destroy Henry's belief in anyone's love. It especially targets Patty's love, as his family is already growing fearful of him/what he brings to the reputation. In the end, Henry isn't able to resist the corruption, and injures Patty pretty severely on Nov 6th. The night of Joyce's play.

He’s pushed into killing his family right beforehand, and attempts to go to Patty and get her help. This occurs at Joyce’s play, in the rafters above the stage. He also informs her that he found her birth mother (Patty is adopted by the Newby family).

Noteworthy; Patty has set wings on that Henry has her take off in the scene. Theres been a lot of mention of flying in relation to freeing yourself. Mike is still very repressed and not allowing himself to exist freely.

Brenner shows up, and goads Henry along with the Mindflayer. He also informs Patty of Henry killing his family, which seems to be across the line for her. When Henry tries to hold her, she shoves him off. This leads directly into the Mindlfayer having Henry push Patty off the rafters. And despite her attempts at begging him not to, it fails because it comes late.

Patty is severely injured, but survives her fall. Henry allows Brenner to take him to the lab for good from this point onward, and Joyce/Jim actions result in Victor getting blamed for the family murders.

Patty ends up moving to Las Vegas to be with her birth mother, and has retained little to no memory of her time with Henry. This is not explained as head trauma, as she seems to sense when he is watching her through The Void. Still, she brushes it off and moves on.

In s4 we see that Henry has become this cycle's version of Brenner (being him in Els memories) by becoming Vecna. And now we also see him with a set of kids designed on using them for something with the Mindflayer (as Brenner was doing). He targeted Will in the same way that he was targeted as a child as well.

Some Creelby parallels to Byler include them sharing secrets, having an interest in codes, both being social outcasts, having the same nerdy hobby (creelby its a radio code group, byler it is d&d), Patty has a belief that Henry is “miracle”, and Mike calls Will a sorcerer and clearly thinks highly of his opinion.

Patty is also used against Henry early on when the Mindflayer makes him see a fake Patty asking him why he can’t “touch her”. Interesting because Mike seems to have an issue touching Will at times, and Will rarely initiates touch.

Effect on Will

Through these two points we can surmise that Vecna is doing what Brenner did to him when he was Henry, and corrupting Will's belief in Mike's love for him. The exact same way that Brenner corrupted Henry’s belief in Patty’s love for him, to the point nothing she said mattered.

We see Will go from extremely hopeful to essentially hopeless, with the only thing occurring is him being taken by Vecna. He doesn't witness a particularly affectionate Mike/Eleven moment or have Mike reject him. Vecna needs Will to be hopeless in his romance, believing it has to remain unspoken (because it is reciprocated, Vecna can't have them learn this), while also believing (false belief 2) that he’s shed his fear/secret to face Vecna.

There is also the likelihood that Vecna wants Mike to believe his love is also hopeless, so he doesn’t act later in love to save Will.

Will can't "know" that Mike isnt like him, just based on what Vecna showed him from his own mind. We’ve seen that memories can be suppressed, repressed, and messed with by various different characters. Patty Newby’s for example.

As well as the fact during his speech he says “Biking to Melvalds for milkshakes”. Melvalds is a general store, and not a diner anymore. It was a diner when Henry was young, and this info is in TFS. Melvalds is reiterated to be a general store on the WSQK radio and through the shows canon.

When Vecna was messing with Will’s memories, did Will somehow absorb or transfer some of Vecnas to his? Or did vecna take memories of himself with Patty and turn them into ones of Mike and Will? There’s a lot of different options that could be happening.

But they all point to Will’s memories or mind being messed with more than we’re being let to believe.

Following the parallels so far, the next step is to have Vecna push Will into hurting or killing Mike. However, because Will’s story is different from Henry’s, Byler won’t have a tragic end. Instead, Mike will be able to help Will in overcoming the Mindflayer and Vecnas control.

Interesting note. Charlie, Jonathans actor, said in an interview that Jonathan might help Will get what he wants. With the fact Creelby’s story ends in tragedy because of Patty’s reaction to Henry hurting his family… this might mean Jonathans death or injury is a catalyst for the final Creelby parallel, and where they deviate.

Where Will and Mike “make their own ending”

This may still result in injury to Mike/Will (see Phinneas Gage details)

Joyce’s Play: Dark of the Moon

Premise of Dark of the Moon (DotM): Set in the smokey mountains, John is a witch boy who falls in love with Barbara Allen in a town. He makes a deal to become human and woos her. In order to stay a human, Barbara has to marry and stay faithful to John throughout their marriage. They consummate and she gives birth to a monstrous baby that the townspeople kill in a frenzy. They (town) devolve into doing a religious revival ritual (which is just SA) on Barbara which results in Johns deal being broken. Barbara dies and John returns to being a witch, forgetting her.

Important Notes about parallels made within The First Shadow to the plot and characters of DotM. I will also add the further parallels third that can be assumed by the knowledge of parallels between Creelby and Byler.

Barbara Allen : Henry Creel : Will Byers

John : Patty Newby : Mike Wheeler

Within the narrative story of TFS, the plot follows a similar beat by beat progression that DotM does. In TFS Henry had multiple “suitors” that were vying for his attention. He had Brenner, the Mindflayer, and Patty Newby. In DotM Barbara had multiple suitors that are attempting to wed/sleep with her. John is one of these suitors. Both Henry and Barbaras attentions are split between multiple “people” in a sense.

There are scenes in the Allan house within DotM, and in TFS there are scenes in the Creel House. Barbara is infected and impregnated by a monstrosity, the same thing that the Mindflayer is doing to Henry at the time. Barbaras parents fear what her reputation will do to them and her, and the same goes for Henry’s parents because he has mental health issues.

DotM ends with Barbara dying due to giving birth to a monstrosity and the assault from the townfolk. John moves back to being a witch and forgets about Barbara.

TFS ends with Henry giving into the Mindflayer (dying) and giving birth to Vecna. Patty moves on with her life to her original home (birthmom) and forgets about Henry.

So while you would assume hearing that John is a witch, he’s Henry’s parallel. But narratively he is the Barbara Allan.

The lines from the play that are important and spoken within TFS are here. The Ballad of Barbara Allan, the song the play DotM is based off of, is considered a sad song and a tragedy. This is why Barbara isn’t a fan of it.

She notes however that she likes “the gay ones best” and that they could always try to make their ending a “gay one, and sing our own ending”.

This is using the definition of “happy, light hearted, carefree”. So Barbara prefers stories and songs with happy endings. But also… the gay ones!

With the running parallels between Creelby and Byler, this indicates the gay story will be the one with the happy ending. If these specific lines of dialogue (from DotM) weren’t within TFS, then this wouldn’t inherently be true. But because these lines are there, they are important.

Mike and Will have to make their own ending, in order to have a happy one.

No coincidences, as Lucas said.

Mike’s song choice: Butthole Surfers? Well yeah

The song "Human Cannonball" by the Butthole Surfers may well be a Mike spoiler song. He puts it on at the WSQK two to three scenes before Wills coming out. (WSQK scenes)

It was released in March of 1987, on their album titled Locust Abortion Specialist.

This is a fake job that doesn't exist. But Locust refers to a grasshopper that often migrates in swarms. The term "abortion specialist" implies this job is to destroy swarms of infesting pests.

in my opinion, the creatures from the Abyss and UD can be considered a swarm of invading pests.

Will and Henry's birthdays are in March, they’ve been established as parallels.

Human Cannonball Lyrics

Breakdown of lines

"Pardon me l'm only bleeding, but you cut me to the bone"

This is a romance song, with the creator being cited to say this is someone he is in a relationship with and who has wounded him.

This goes back to the Creelby parallels. Henry injured Patty, and we may very well see Will injure Mike. However, this could also relate to Mike being able to change the ending of his and Will’s story from Patty’s.

“My imperfections have reduced you to a lowly animal”

The singers own actions have resulted in the aforementioned wounding. Patty pushing Henry away from her physically (after learning about his family) is a huge reason why the Mindflayer is able to take over and force him to injure her.

“It used to be that loving you, was easy, unrestrained”

Mike and Wills relationship used to be a lot easier. it functioned so much better. Thats changed in the past few years but theyve seemed to have made progress. We see in Will's coming out he feels like they did in fact grow distant and could continue to.

Mike’s face in this scene makes me feel like he feels like Will is pulling away. Mike is dealing with a lot of processing during Will’s coming out. But a huge aspect of Mike&Will is that Will always (always) tells Mike stuff first. Except this time he didnt.

What will happen to Mike and Will?

Mike’s Bomb

“Human Cannonball” is the trigger for the bomb intended to explode the Exotic Matter. Which, this has established is Will in some sense.

So the song about a couple wounding each other back and forth, with one being turned into a wild animal in levels of hostility, is what is being planned to be the song Will is killed to. Interestingly, this plan also requires a metal wire to electrocute a warrior D&D model.

At this time in 1987, the 2nd edition of Dungeons & Dragons had just been released. This reorganized the classes offered to the players, taking Fighter away as the primary class and making it a subclass to a new class. The Warrior Class. This also introduced a new subclass into the game.

The Paladin.

Pg. 26 of the Dungeons and Dragons Player Handbook, 2nd Edition

So, the bomb will trigger to explode and destroy the Exotic Mattee when the warrior is electrocuted.

The bomb will trigger to explode and kill Will when Mike is electrocuted? Perhaps?

This is where I’ll end this one because it’s too long. I have different routes the parallels between Creelby and Byler can be interwoven into the finale but I’ll hold off.