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this was hudcon not hollanov btw
Vice Versa
Recently, @rosegarden06 put this video back on our timelines, and I couldn’t resist talking about it. There have been multiple instances of Hudson with no filter and Connor having to rein him in, but this stood out to me as one of the only times the roles have been reversed. So, let’s talk about it!
Here’s the full video:
Connor is talking about the conversations they had in preparation for the sex scenes. They’ve both talked about these conversation similarly after this moment and how they were essentially open to whatever and felt very comfortable with each other.
In the beginning of the video, Connor talks about telling Hudson “You can do whatever you want to me, however you want to me, and it was kinda vice versa.” Connor says this confidently with no signs of awkwardness or joking. Hudson smiles fondly (can we talk about how soft that smile is - they seriously fell in love on that set) when Connor is saying this and nods along in agreement. You can tell Hudson knows what Connor said is kinda unexpected with his little laugh, but he seems like he’s remembering the moment fondly at the same time.
The moment I really want to talk about is this one:
Connor
Connor confidently answered the question, but because what he said was a little unexpected, the audience started laughing (along with Hudson). What I noticed is Connor start to feel a little awkward, probably because he wasn’t really joking even though he told the story in a funny way. When we see him start to get a little shy, he doubles down (in more of an actual joking tone “I’ll do anything! Let’s go!”) and then looks at Hudson for reassurance with a awkward laugh/smile. I love this little interaction because it shows another example of them being each other’s emotional support - even back in November 🥹.
Hudson
When Connor first answers the question, we see Hudson smiling fondly and laughing a little like he doesn’t quite know what to say/do. In my opinion, this is very sweet and wholesome, and shows a different side of their dynamic.
However, once Connor starts feeling a little unsure, getting a little more chaotic and looking to him, we can see Hudson start to take notice. He reaches out to pat Connors thigh (one of his favorite places it seems) in a manner that reads equally comforting as it does “that’s enough now” 😆. All the while continuing to smile fondly of course.
All in all, we can always count on HudCon to be there for each other - whether it’s to push each other to new heights, or keep themselves grounded.
Hudson really went to that pre-Golden Globes party that he wasn't even invited to, said hey to people for 15 mins, then grab his mans arm and DIPPEDDDDD omg. I love our bratty-jealous-territorial(call me toxic go ahead) Aquarius man cause he really does NOTTTT play about his Connie baby butt baby fr.
He really said: "MOVE! He's MINE!"
(The saxophone in this vid takes me out lmao)
Like this was insane
Hudcon 108: A Couple in Plain Sight
Something I've been thinking about recently based on other mutuals posts is that Hudcon has really just been a couple in front of our salads the whole time and people still don't get it.
They just casually started texting each other and following each other on IG after their audition/chemistry read. They started openly flirting with each other online. All before actually meeting in person.
Post filming Connor went to visit Hudson in Vancouver, and they basically went on several dates, (out to eat, hiking). Took couple pictures, visited their onscreen Mom/Mom in Law Christina, and basically hard launched it on IG for everyone to see.
The Holidays: Thanksgiving (no details, but I believe it); New Year's Eve; Valentine's Day (because including Connor in that post was a statement); Easter Weekend which considering the evidence of the Atlanta weekend seems more and more real than before.
There is something about the way they were touching each other in the backseat of the car at Feltre, before they drove off, that just seems so domestic and casual. Especially because even though they knew fans were taking pictures, I'm not sure they're aware that everyone saw the caresses too.
SNL: Supporting your partner on the biggest night of their career so far, this early in their careers was an insane grand gesture and statement. The fact that Hudson took time off from his job, flew into NYC pretty much undetected despite a few sightings, and then popped up on SNL with Connor was amazing. Then the fact that everyone in the audience and the cast had a front row to how close and affectionate they were with each other. Connor and Hudson holding each other while they introduced the Musical Guest. Even thinking about it now, they didn't have to be holding each other if they were just friends. It's just too much.
Also, the fact that the SNL cast picked up on the importance of Hudson being there for Connor and pushed him up front to stand next to Connor during the Goodnights. Then the hug that Hudson gave Connor when he saw Connor getting emotional, and the way Hudson was locked into everything Connor was going through. That by the way is how you support an actual partner experiencing a career high.
The Met Gala: They acted so much like boyfriends that night, that everyone noticed, and everyone decided to share about it whether "Rpf" was legal or not.
There are so many other moments too. They all point to the same thing, which is that their relationship looks exactly like what we think it is. That's why so many mutuals and I don't think we'll ever get a "statement" or official "coming out." They've been a couple so much already they'll just ramp it up until the light bulb 💡clicks for the General Public.
A lot of Fandom strife and struggle would go away if people started by accepting that Hudcon are best friends who adore each other, and then not twist themselves in knots trying to disprove all the moments when Hudcon shows us through their words and actions that they are more than friends. People have made something pretty straightforward very convoluted and complicated. Hudcon has done the best they can under their circumstances due to their burgeoning careers and being a Queer couple in Hollywood and being long distance. Even with all of this they're still making it work, so I think it's okay to relax and continue to watch this pair be a couple in front of us and continue to root for them and support them. Also, we're going to blink and it'll be August. I'm actually really excited. I enjoyed The Long Game so much, and they're absolutely going have a blast bringing it to life.
Also, sidenote for shits and giggles. Remember that interview where Tom Holland said studios love when he and Zendaya are in the same movie, because it cuts down on costs, because they only have to book one hotel room? I suspect the same will be the case when this season they don't need two apartments in Toronto, just one 👀🤣😁.
theres a twitter that says 'when your coworker says the magical words that give you a boner' during the interview for quinn and it has 1.1 million views and 31k likes on twt
ohhhhh husdon baby i know you couldnt control it but everyone is perceiving you
...also i wonder if he has seen it that clip
Oh my goddddd hahahahaha
Seen that clip? He actively covered it up with his shirt so it wouldn't be noticed😂😂😂
But C already had ofc😇
hello local tomdaya historian/correspondent here🫡 i know we love our tz/hc parallels so wanted to add something else from tz's red carpet yesterday -- if you watch the videos after they're done posing they do the hand-slide-down-the-arm-to-hold-hands move, which ofc we saw h/c do in the snl ice skating skit. and it made me think about why tz is such a good case study when analyzing hc/hk:
because tz are not actually a big pda couple. (the car makeout pics are actually the only kissing pics we have of them ever in 10 years.) but they ARE a physically affectionate couple & that is actually different from PDA even though ppl constantly conflate the two. we don't really see them "all over each other" but it's clear they like to physically be connected as much as possible. but when we do see them they are almost always holding hands, casually touching, staying very close in each others' personal space, etc. the affection/intimacy is just plainly evident without any huge displays, even after being together for like a decade. this is actually what it looks like when people may not want to do pda but do have physical love language or, in h's words, "need to be touching when in love."
tl;dr: anyone with any experience with relationships knows that there are a thousand small, often unconscious ways to you connect or express interest/intimacy with someone you're involved with romantically, and people can pick up on it, without overt or even casual PDA. i feel like it goes without saying there is absolute zero of that with h/k. but take almost any photo or 30 second clip of h/c interacting...there's a reason for the constant tomdaya comparisons!
Omg I absolutely love this, thank you!!!🥰
And yep! We've been saying for months that H and K don't move like a couple in love and that's among the primary reasons for it. Casual intimacy is subconscious, not exactly something you can fake unless it's for a few seconds for the cameras. Everytime apart from that tells on them always.
And for H and C, it's the same. They can try to hide it as much as they can but it's still subconcsious to a degree and it's obvious how much they yearn to be touching when they're not...
Body language doesn't lie, people.
Kissed A Lot
I saw this on twitter and started thinking… what did they see on that set?! And moreso, what could we be seeing this time? 🤭🤞🏻
Of course, Connor and Hudson had to kiss a lot for the role, but they also had a developing personal relationship which “bloomed into” something else. However, for kissing to be the one thing Jacob pulled out of how Connor and Hudson’s relationship has changed is crazy.
I also love that Jacob said “you know, just like you do with all your friends”. Their public best friend (private something else) status has truly become an inside joke for everyone who knows them. It’s an interesting parallel from inside jokes made between them and their besties too.
"Forever" Hudson said, as if he confessed what he had probably felt from the very first moment he felt "My soul recognized yours, as if you had always been a part of me. You were always there, without me knowing. But now that we've found each other again, it will be forever."
More or less, what Connor had always described "i've had connections in my life, where I'm like you are a part of me cosmically.", "you know those people that you just instantly click with and you're like, okay 'you're mine' "
This is Hudson saying in his own terms, we are soulmates.
We Would Know
I see some of y'all are still being obnoxious and weird, but I expect nothing less. Y'all have been like this since December. However, allow me to lay some things out for y'all.
If Hudson wanted us to know about his "relationship" we would. As it stands now, we know nothing. Let me repeat WE KNOW NOTHING. Some of you are under the misguided impression that because you play Sherlock on IG and you infer whatever you want from what you see, that you've actually been told something you haven't. Hudson has had ample opportunity to give us a quick summary of things and he hasn't.
If he was living with this person, he would say it.
If the chicken braclets were meant to be a couple's thing he would say it.
If he wanted y'all to know he shares a cat with this person, he would say it.
If this person is really his partner, then they wouldn't have to leave clues for you to decipher.
If he was in a long-term relationship, we'd have the "How they Met Story" "First Date Story" and every other relationship milestone, clearly defined, including how long this relationship has been going on. None of this would have to be inferred or guessed.
And no, us not knowing these things isn't because this relationship is "private" and Hudson is protecting them. Protection and Privacy would've been to leave her unperceived and unnoticed after being doxxed to the whole world. It would not look like a V-Day message that includes another man, and a public display of said person in a see through dress 🤷🏽♀️.
Now onto what Hudson does want us to know and has told us.
Hudson said he's living with his mom and has not changed that statement or brought it up since. Hudson discussed he and Connor living next door in apartments in Toronto while they were filming. Hudson discussed staying at Connor's house. Hugging Connor in the morning and finding sunscreen in Connor's bathroom.
Hudson has explained his matching and shared tattoo with Connor multiple times, and its significance. And now that the weather permits, he can be seen wearing short shorts so you can see his visible connection to Connor.
Sharing is caring. Hudson doesn't share a pet with Connor, but he thought it was important that he share that he and Connor exhibit the same physical signs of stress and what they do to alleviate it, when the question was directed at him. (The Cut Interview)
When Hudson and Connor were more open on IG, there were no clues to be left about them being in the same place at the same time. It was clear. Including that picture of Connor on Hudson's bed. We know they've been in each other's homes. It's not a game to figure out.
Hudson and Connor have outlined their relationship milestones several times and very clearly. How They Met: Zoom Chemistry Read. Basically, love at first sight, immediately went to follow each other on IG. When they first met: Hudson made sure to let us know how impressed he was with Connor's arms the first time they met in person. Hudson also let us know he fell in love with Connor as a person based on matching his weirdness. Then he proceeded to tell us what their first shopping trip was like down to what Connor was looking for in the store. A clear digital footprint in Hudcon's own words charts out their relationship.
Hudson and Connor were more open on IG before fame but slowly started archiving things (like the September trip) they wanted to keep private. Hudson told us at the beginning of the year that he and Connor's friendship isn't for the public, and he echoed Jacob's words that He and Connor are for themselves. Theirs is a relationship that has been verbally and publicly stated as being protected by several people in their lives, i.e. Jacob and Christina.
Believe what you want but acknowledge that you're coming up with it all on your own. It should be easy to clear up the ambiguity that remains, but Hudson clearly doesn't want to and there is a reason for that. I would submit that the reason is this "relationship" isn't as deep as y'all have made it out to be since December, and it doesn't require the detail y'all keep adding because it's not important to him. This relationship serves its purpose in public, and in private nobody cares.
I gauge Hudson's interest in this person based on what he says currently and how he behaves currently. Right now, that interest appears to be at zero. So, if he doesn't care why do y'all. To quote a song from my youth if Hudson doesn't give a damn, I certainly don't give a fuck 🤷🏽♀️🙃.
And since some of y'all just can't help yourselves, the things I outlined about Hudcon's relationship are based on my interpretation that they are together. But it still applies to Hudcon being best friends as well. Which should then beg the question why Hudson's relationship with his best friend that he's only known a little over a year, is so clearly defined and his "long term" relationship, still needs confirmation and clues?
While I was lurking on X again 🙃, I came across a post that genuinely made me laugh.
Someone shared that she introduced HR for the first time to a few of her friends who supposedly had no prior knowledge of HC/HR. According to her, after watching the boys interact, her friends immediately came to the conclusion that they were "definitely together"—as in, actually dating in real life.
Naturally, she panicked a little and started showing them photos of H's gf, trying to provide more context. But the response? "Nah." 🤣
I'm not sharing the original post here because I want to respect the poster's privacy 😃, but I thought the story itself was worth mentioning because it gave off such positive and funny energy.
The reason it stuck with me is because it serves as a reminder that perspectives aren't universal. No matter how loudly some people push a particular information, there will always be others who look at the exact same situation and come away with a completely different impression. Some people see friendship. Some people see chemistry. Some people see something deeper.
What fascinates me is that even people with no fandom bg often notice the same thing: the connection between HC feels unusually strong. Whether they're right or wrong isn't really the point. The point is that the observation keeps happening independently.
And that's why I never get too worried when people insist that only one interpretation is possible. Because for every person saying "absolutely not," there's another person saying, "Wait a minute... what exactly is going on here?" 😂
At the end of the day, everyone will see things through their own lens. But one thing seems consistent: a lot of people walk away feeling that HC share a level of physical comfort, emotional closeness, and attachment that is difficult to ignore.
Make of that what you will. 😏
Met Gala Boyfriends
Now that we're a little over a month out from the Met Gala, I have a few additional thoughts. Because I'm so curious about why Hudcon chose the Met Gala to be the most obvious they’ve been so far. First, I have some general thoughts about Connor and Hudson and their relationship before I move onto the Met Gala itself.
Connor & Soulmates: I think it's so interesting how much importance Connor places on the idea of soulmates. He's commented several times on instantly knowing that Hudson belonged to him and was a part of him cosmically. Connor said Hudson was part of soul family in that one interview and Hudson noticeably got upset at not being Connor's only soulmate 😂, and Connor had to rectify that quickly. It made me think about the language Connor uses with Bailey and how they consider themselves soulmates. Quick example, in the movie Contact with Jodie Foster, I always joke her character got a romantic soulmate in Matthew McConaughey and a platonic soulmate in William Fichtner's character. During a pivotal moment in the movie, they were both there for her character, and I was like she's just greedy having both 🙄🤣. All that to say, when Connor met Hudson, he already had a soulmate for life in Bailey, but I think he was and is still taken by surprise at finding his romantic soulmate in Hudson pretty much at first sight, and the intensity of his feelings for him. That's why some people don't understand, when they wonder about the depths of his feelings for Hudson, they're so big if he openly expressed them all the time the room would be thick with his desire and love for Hudson, and I think that HiTops was a preview of that.
Hudson Being Led/Held: My own personal observation of Hudson is that in relationships with friends and family, he seems to like being doted on, and not in like a selfish way, but like you can see he loves to absorb love from others and be held by them. It makes me think about when Connor and he wrapped on Heated Rivalry and Jacob came over and kissed both of them on the head, Hudson needed more and reached back for Jacob to hug and hold him. When I think of Hudson and Connor together, I think of Connor often leading in their relationship and Hudson enjoying being led. Now, I want to be clear, I'm not saying this as in Hudson likes being subservient, and I know people have had the conversation about Connor being a soft dom. I don't know all of the specifics of that type of dynamic. However, I think that Hudson likes Connor taking the lead when they are doing things as a couple, especially when it comes to PDA as it were. You can see some of that at the Toronto premiere when Hudson pats Connor on his back but then drops his arm, and Connor immediately goes to hold him and rub his back, and Hudson puts his arm back on Connor. And don't get me started on the VF Silver Carpet, with Connor calling Hudson over and Hudson practically sprinting to be held. This is part of why I look at his relationship with K like this 🤔. Because I don't see this behavior changing if Hudson were in a romantic relationship with a woman. We see the way he was sitting in Aika's lap and that's his friend. If, and this is a big if, K was really his woman I would expect him to be sitting in her lap because that's just the vibe I get from Hudson. But nothing 🤷🏽♀️.
Alright, now that I've gotten those thoughts out of the way, let me move onto the Met Gala, more specifically the Met Gala After Parties. Pretty much since the SNL After Party, where we didn't get any pictures of Hudcon together, they seem to take advantage of private events, where people aren't going to take a lot of pictures and share them or at least, they can ask people not to. But some of the "cracks" let's say of this plan started to show with the CAA pre-Oscar Party, where it was noted in several publications how close they were all night, and that it didn't go unnoticed by attendees at the event. Which leads us to the Met Gala. Traditionally you don't get a lot of candid/private pictures from inside the event or at the after parties. The big deal is the Red Carpet. But we know professional pictures are taken, bathroom selfies, and other pictures are taken and shared from the event. We got more pictures from the actual Gala of Hudcon then I think many of us expected, and they were wonderful. However, it's when the night moved onto the After Parties that things got interesting.
Couple Behavior: Whether intentional or not, the way almost every publication talked about Hudcon's behavior at the After Parties, sounded like they were writing about Hollywood's newest IT Couple. Not everyone is in the Fandom bubble, where we've read interview after interview, and watched interview after interview, of Hudcon being extremely affectionate with each other and not shying away from it. For a lot of us the Quinn Interview for Ember & Ice was the turning point where their affection seemed extremely charged for people who claim to just be best friends. In particular, the description of them weaving through the crowd holding hands, sitting in each other's laps, and holding "court" on the rooftop together indicate an intimacy that was undeniable to everyone present.
Sexual Behavior: Now onto the nitty gritty, because I think everyone has been afraid to go there because it truly is in the speculation territory, but I think it's important, if we want to talk about the "fallout" after Met Gala. By now most of us have seen this screenshot basically confirming what was described that night, with some interesting additions.
I want to draw attention to two things here. The bathroom visits and the people asking if they were a couple. I'll start with the later as it ties into what I just talked about. Their behavior that night was loud and quite frankly in my opinion the culmination of their behavior during Golden Globes Weekend, at SNL, and at the VF Oscar Party and Madonna's Oscar Party. It was loud enough that people present didn't have a problem acknowledging that they thought they were looking at a couple and seeking confirmation from said couple.
The bathroom visits. I'm sorry there is no way other way to interpret what they got up to in that bathroom TWICE. It's exactly what we think it is. Like I said I know people don't like this particular type of speculation, and you don't have to believe. However, it was shown that the bathroom they were most likely in was a private one within a larger bathroom so make of that what you will. And Hudson more or less showed us what they got up to with that picture of Connor that Tumblr deems mature 🤷🏽♀️😏. Despite all of our theories on the nature of their relationship, this behavior was the most explicit so far in hinting without telling. The morning after indicated this as well.
Morning After: Those morning after pictures were something else. As was Hudson's now dubbed "walk of pride" to his car to take him back to his hotel, since he got dropped off at Connor's after they were out to 6 am. There are missing hours from that night, roughly 3:30 am to 6am, just like there are missing pieces of Hudson's clothes. We assumed they were going to have good time and turn up, but I don't think we expected the visuals to match said turning up. Something about Hudson walking through the streets in the early morning looking like he threw on his man's shirt and dipped (although we know that was a part of his outfit) is as salacious as it is vulnerable which brings me to my final point. The fallout.
Fallout: I'm not sure what prompted, Hudcon to truly let their guard down that night. Possibly a combination of youth, raw attraction and desire for each other, and of course the emotional need they always have to ground each other. Whatever it was, they relied on the mostly private nature of an event like the Met Gala to release their inhibitions and go into full couple mode. However, it kind of reflects what we're seeing right now with Hudson and realizing how much people are watching them like a hawk. Hudcon is Famous Famous. They're hot right now.
In a ridiculously short amount of time, they've found themselves in spaces with established A-List celebrities, and as shocking as it may seem to Hudcon, they are the celebrities that everyone wants to meet and talk to. They are always being watched and observed now, and that night some of the more detailed observations broke containment.
In my opinion, and I've mentioned this before, that night presented them as an open secret for Hollywood. All of the other shit that happened after (Rpfing gotta stop y'all, IG Accounts, Picture leaks, it's been so much fun 🤡🙃) aside, when they're at the next big event together, it feels like it's going to be a given that is how they are perceived. Which is why I think this summer, prior to filming there is going to be a lot of cleaning house in their lives, because it's only a matter of time before the General Public finally catches up to what Hollywood saw in person, and what we've been observing in the Fandom. When that time comes, I'm not saying they need a "hard launch" 🙄, but I'm sure they'll want all loose ends tied up and a clean slate to present themselves in a more deliberate and obvious way. But as of right now Met Gala was truly a night to remember. That night deserves two musical numbers 😁🎶.
Sexuality and Interest
I wasn't going to post this, but people are weird. I know people would say that about me as well, but I never said I wasn't 😉.
I've noticed something interesting when it comes to people who still think H/K is exactly what it is presented as. They tend to go to pages where they know people don't hold this view and proceed with their asinine takes, showing their lack of reading comprehension, and attention to detail. I've noticed that they also tend to ignore people's perception of Hudson's sexuality overall and his interest in K specifically.
Sexuality: From what I can tell the general consensus in our corner of the Internet is that Hudson is Queer. Many lean towards Hudson being Bisexual, which I fully understand, some also suspect a preference of men, although this wouldn't change him being into both women and men, something I think we all understand about Bisexuality, at least I hope we do. I am of the belief that Hudson is Gay, and I've covered the reasons for why I believe this in previous posts. It’s hard for me to take anything about H/K seriously, because I don't think Hudson has an interest in women that way at all, and in K specifically. Therefore, any reference to Hudson doing anything with K currently as a "couple" becomes a moot point to me, because the question is why? He has no interest.
Interest: Speaking of interest, if you follow the logic that H/K started off as friends and then started dating, or if you're like me and think they were only friends, it's hard to believe after seeing their awkward/cold behavior towards each other in recent months that any interest romantically/platonically is left. Whatever the status of their relationship is currently, I can't see him seeking her out for anything outside of the events that are publicly planned, i.e. VF and CSAs, and weird Ice Cream interventions. Someone who consistently leaves someone trailing behind them as an afterthought in public, doesn't seem like the type of person to then seek said person out when going through a crisis 🙃🤔. The bar for affection and comfort is low when people begin to discuss H/K and it's baffling when we have so much proof of how much Hudson seeks out affection and affirmation from literally everyone else.
Bottom line stop trying to get us to see something we don't see. Keep your RPF 😁about that relationship to yourself.
The Circle Gets Smaller
As we hopefully can start to move beyond this, I suspect there are big discussions going on about weeding out Hudson's circle from his hometown and Vancouver.
I mentioned yesterday that after what Connor went through with his obsessive stalker ex on social media, Hudson hopefully recognizes he has to lock down his circle. Connor got pushback for shutting down his social media, but now it is evident why it was necessary. We see the lengths people will go to - and probably will continue to try to do in the future, until they realize people see it for what it is - attacks on two young men who got too successful for the liking of some jealous and miserable people.
Hudson was the one they sent out to clean up the Jordan Firstman mess. Hudson did the anti-racism post with F (and I don't trust him either). Hudson's personality lends itself to forgiving and moving on. However, I hope he recognizes that this is not a luxury he can engage in on this problem from his friend group any longer. Whatever happened coming out of the CSAs I suspect triggered this kind of response from that part of the friend group.
Even if he did try to let it go, there are other interested parties that will not be okay with letting it go because Hudson is now an international business asset, too. I strongly suspect they will make him clean house and even examine some of the people who seem closest to him from that group.
I often wondered how Hudson and Connor immediately achieved best-friend status (beyond the obvious) - and I suspect part of it was that they had both experienced shadiness from so-called friends in their orbits. So glad they have each other.
We shall see, but I suspect that circle of friends gets much smaller soon.
This Will Be a Quiet Little Serene Vacation and Then You Hear Hudson! Hudson! Connor! Connor!
So what I have ascertained from today’s events is the following
-Connor is held to a level of importance above anyone else in the HR family
-Hudson and Connor tried to have a nice romantic vacay that was interrupted by fans
-Hudson basically admitted to love at first sight
-Hudson and Connor have a relationship not a friendship
-Hudson’s middle name is actually my man. Hudson MyMan Williams.
you know when you really love someone you start seeing them in everything and all things?? yeah that's not what happened here connor was waiting at the hotel prepped and ready