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lisholoz

Discussed how funny it would be if Slade had no idea Jason was Red Hood before hooking up with him

doingthewritethings

i just have so many THOUGHTS abt sladick as horrible hatesex and sladejay as life partners. i just want to CHEW ON THEM

doingthewritethings

i think the first time dick grayson (sees himself as a tool to be used, in every possible aspect) (existence is a means to an end) (sacrificial lamb complex) has sex with slade (chose the work over his children) (values autonomy over all else) (human weapon complex) to distract him from a target they have a fight and the fallout is so bad that like six rogues willingly turn themselves in at the arkham gates

doingthewritethings

sladejay, alternately, absolutely under no circumstances should work out but jason is such an absolute fucking freak of a guy that he’s. well he’s scaring slade a little. please we’ve fucked six times tonight.

jason is having a lot of sexual awakenings (was too busy with the revival and the murder plot and the mental illness to have normal puberty) (saw slade tear a man’s throat out with his teeth yesterday and popped a boner so fast he thought he might throw up)

doingthewritethings

i do also think that jason mentions in passing (as pillow talk) (he truly believes this is pillow talk) (somewhere roy harper is screaming and he doesn’t know why) about his whole deal with bruce and slade is like oh yeah i could probably get a cool 60 mil for that. and it’s done in 48 hours. jason imprints like a baby duckling and this is not necessarily a good thing but it is what has happened. he gets them shared custody of a cat the next day. slade does not want the cat but he does the thing with it that dads who Do Not Want The Cat do.

actually now that i say this i think the joker keeps coming back in more and more improbable ways and it’s kind of like enrichment for slade. maybe that’s how he and dick could work. just get him one guy he kills on a biweekly basis

doingthewritethings

also. this is a nightmare scenario for dick obviously and i think that’s half the appeal. your worst and messiest ex has somehow made your younger brother-ish figure the happiest man alive. what the fuck. what the fuck.

trshlrd-deactivated20210515

okay so Marvel Fanfare (1982) #14 has me so so so so mad. It starts out with Pietro saying that he doesn’t accept the Inhuman culture and such. I mean, later on he does and I don’t know what his mood was there or why he was so against it. No idea, he seemed pretty okay with everything later, addressing Black Bolt as King and being part of the military and honouring this place like his home.

Anyway, he argued with some of the royals and said that he was used being an outcast and a freak and apparently feels no different among the Inhumans and they make it very clear that they can’t stand him, saying that the worst accident was that Crystal married this arrogant bastard.

So then this happens: Some fast blue dressed guy steals something really valuable.

And everyone is like: It was quicksilver (spoiler: it wasn’t him)

and so the inhumans team up on him (crystal isn’t there, she’s recovering from luna’s birth)

so they team up on Pietro and are very, very mad and honestly, Pietro’s PTSD kicks in. The last time a crowd had stood like this in front of him, they had almost beat him to death because he had wanted to protect his sister.

He sees that they aren’t there to talk peacefully to him (and tbh, they just waited for one of Pietro’s missteps to excuse beating him)

So he flees

And they run after him, fight him and think he’s running because he’s guilty.

Things get messy, a woman that had hit on him before (and pietro had turned her down), gets him to safety. And she hits on him again.

and he turns her down again, of course!

and so she throws him right into the arms of those who want to beat him :/

and well, he runs again and they follow him and everything is awful until Pietro manages (with his super speed) to get them to the real culprit, some fast dude that has stolen the valuable thing.

And then suddenly the Inhumans praise him.

I’m so mad about this issue. They corner him without talking to him, run after him like mad people, she sells him out and they only accept him then for his speed? They know he’s fast. And suddenly everything is cool? 5 Pages before that they called him terribly arrogant and how much they suffer because he’s with them now. And now that he’s shown them that he is useful and didn’t do something terrible (they accused him of without actually figuring out what happened) they accept him?

Is he ever accepted for himself? Not because of his speed? :/

esteicy-blog

Oh sure but tell me how Crystal was the “real victim” in that marriage because Pietro isn’t a social butterfly and she had aaaall the right to cheat on him 🙄🙄🙄

I had never read this story before, thank you so much for bringing it to my attention, now I have more proofs about how the Inhumans were the worst in laws/society for Pietro, and also show how Pietro can stay loyal to his partner even in a life or death situation, unlike others 😒😒😒

Also can people love my boy because of him and not because of his powers? I’m begging.

trshlrd-deactivated20210515

Have you ever picked up the issues where he learned of her cheating?

Its pretty much just her saying that Pietro wasnt what she expected. Ahe expected a soft man that is in touch with the world but she got pietro whos tormented an an introverted outcast.

And he complained that she always wanted them to spend time with others and that he had no time for his personal interests.

The biggest flaw in this relationship was their communication. They never really talked and apparently neither understood how relationships work and crystal cheated

I’m not here to say that pietro was an amazing husband. But he had issues and needed to work through the inhuman approval and fit to Crystal’s standards that he could never meet. She wanted a fairytale and he was just a broken man.

esteicy-blog

Yeah I did and I hate it, like Crystal nobody forced you to marry a man you barely knew! She fell in love with him when he was unconscious, who does that? She didn’t have any need to marry the first guy that purposed.

Pietro was stupid too for falling for a woman he just met, that’s true, but in his case I kinda can understand, he has a lot of issues about self esteem and most of the time he feels like nobody likes him, so here he has this beautiful princess who wants his and chose him over Johnny Storm! He took a terrible decision for not thinking before getting himself in this mess but it makes sense for his character.

And maybe it makes sense for Crystal as well, her first love was a guy from other world that would fight anything for her, forbidden love and that, now she finds this beautiful man that she nursed back to health, I guess she had a really fairy tale vision of love and relationships.

But sorry Crystal nothing of that justify cheating on your husband, I don’t care how disappointed she was after finding out he wasn’t her ideal Prince Charming if she didn’t even tried to talk with him and fix everything then she never really cared about their marriage.

What makes me angrier is how everyone, including Pietro’s own sister, acts like he should forgive her immediately, fuck that shit! Nobody has any duty to forgive a cheater, I actually believe they would have been happier just divorcing right there because their relationship was doomed anyway, they weren’t made for each other.

imperiuswrecked

I always felt that while Crystal was a sheltered and basically spoiled princess, Pietro was too worldly and naive at the same time. He had only one connection for years and doesn’t know how to interact well with others. Of course he was going to do whatever it took to fit in with the Inhumans because he didn’t want to keep being the outcast but Crystal had never been an outcast like him. Theres a panel where Pietro carries Luna and has to ask permission to stand next to his wife in public. What. The. Fuck.

Both of them were too young and inexperienced to have a relationship, and honestly I’m gonna say it; Crystal was a selfish person and she’s never grown out of that.

cycyno

The worst part of all of this bs is that everyone just kept telling my boy that he needed to forgive her and that it was his fault that she cheated like???? And why would it be his damn fault that his wife couldn’t just talk with him, be honest and just be a fucking decent person and NOT cheat on him on multiple occasions?

He deserved better, yet again, but at least he got Luna through Crystal. That’s the only good thing that came out of this toxic relationship.

I don’t hate Crystal, but she did so many things wrong with him that she (and no one else) couldn’t hold HIM accountable for. Like, you cheated girl, at least be honest.

trshlrd-deactivated20210515

Yeah telling him that didn’t help at all.

And it makes me sad how this had shaped pietro.

Hes ao devoted to crystal and as he came back to her after maximus’ mind control she took him back but not without threatening him.

Also later, when he was with the x factor she talked to him on phone?marvels Skype? And he was like “I want to see luna but I think I’m not ready to see you again”

And in the end she talked him into seeing her too. It’s a little thing but it hurt me how she is able to just change this and make pietro do what she wanted again. He wasnt ready to see her, he wanted time and is hurt and crystal doesnt understand his boundaries. And pietro is too afraid to speak up because the last times as he did this everything ended terrible.

I agree with you all, the best thing that happened out of this was luna.!

esteicy-blog

This cover really shows how Marvel wrote their relationship

welcome-to-latveria

All New X-Factor hit us with one of the biggest hot takes regarding Quicksilver and that's that the Avengers couldn't give two fucks about him

Like I can't even, 'your sister loves you' Pietro was literally on the 2nd ever roster of Avengers and the only value they see in him as a person is his relation to Wanda. And?? This is how like the majority of comic writers also treat him like hello he deserves better!!!

teal-bandit

Tbf, marvel itself only seems to be interested in him for his relationship to Wanda; how he's hurt her and how saintly she is to have put up with him for so long. And I wish I was being sarcastic about that, but that's seriously how they play it so often! Not acknowledging how she's also hurt him, and how his love for her has shaped so much of both of their lives.

ANXF was a treasure and I wish it wouldn't have been cancelled. It had so many interesting relationships, and it finally gave us some interaction between Pietro and his other sister, Lorna, after they discovered they were siblings and after House of M. There's a lot of things that I feel need addressed between these two, and we could see their relationship strengthen at a time when Pietro and Wanda's relationship was at one of it's weakest points.... We saw his relationship with Luna get repaired, only to see it dashed over again during the 2018 solo. We saw his relationship with other mutants like Gambit, Doug, and even Fatale and Reaper and how that's changed since M-Day. Tbh the series did more for Quicksilver's character than any Avengers title has ever done for him and it's basically confirmed what fans of the character have been saying for years: the Avengers don't care about Quicksilver except that he's sometimes convenient and his sister is mega-powerful.

I know PAD has had some questionable moments in the past, but as a writer, he's done so much to establish an understanding of Pietro as a person within a group that doesn't understand him and makes no effort to. I wish he would have had more time for this series, as it's been one of the best that I can recall in the past decade.

esteicy-blog

I have a lot to say about how Pietro has been treated with the Avengers, and more specifically how be has been treated around Wanda, but I don't think I can tell everything here...I will try it xD

Pietro's place in the team: Just like it's said in that panel Pietro has been constantly seen as the arrogant untrustworthy speedster, that it's only there to be useful during fight but not actually appreciated as a person.

In this panel he says it himself, during battle he has a place and something to do, but when they are being "normal"? When they are having fun? He is alone, feeling miserable for how things are with his family (Crystal and Luna are a total different issue), I don't see anyone from the team giving a fuck about it, addressing his issues and trying to support him...except Jarvis, God bless that man.

But what about a X-men title? More specifically All new X-Factor? Well...

This is right after that press conference where Pietro admitted publicly his mistakes of SoM and X-Factor, with him willing to face the consequences. Snow wanted him out of the team after a really vulnerable moment that needed a lot of courage and strength, what did his team do? Support him, because he is Lorna's brother and their teammate and they won't kick him out. He isn't only a speedster they can replace, he is important as an individual.

But the thing is this isn't only a problem of the characters, is a problem of books, is really common for Pietro to be put under a negative light when he is on Avengers titles.

He is the irrational guy that is so blinded by his hate against the Vision that only can get over it with someone violating his autonomy and forcing him to change his mind.

He is the jerk that only has one motivation: Wanda, Wanda, Wanda...

(I'm aware those are from Wanda's solo but since she is mostly an avenger lady my point stands) He is the manipulative sociopath, who forced Wanda to do things...even when that's not even true! Wanda has never been someone easy to boss around, she always has made her own decisions, the only exception was House of M where Pietro asked her to change the world but may I remind everyone it was because the Avengers and the X-men were going to kill Wanda?! It wasn't an "easy out", it was Pietro being desperate because they were going to kill his sister.

See? And this lead me to my third point, Pietro's is used as an accessory for Wanda's story. Most of the time this trope is used for female characters, but Pietro is one of those strange cases where him as a man is used for make Wanda look better; he is the brother full of hate against her marriage (that let's be clear ended up being right), he is the one looking for her like a lost puppy and that only can think about her, he is the evil manipulative brother while she is the good sister who is breaking free from it because feminism!

The narrative constantly treat Wanda as the good twin and Pietro as the bad twin, or at least make Pietro pay for his mistakes when Wanda? Oh well...

This is post disassembled, Pietro literally wasn't even around when it happened! He was taking some well deserved vacations, but we can see the "If I would have been here..." kind of guilt im his face, because apparently everything Wanda does is his responsibility...that's shitty. He apologizes but nothing of this was his fault, it wasn't even Wanda's fault, it's just this team can't deal with mental illness.

Then House of M happens and we all see what Pietro lived after that, he went through a long and painful redemption arc; he suffered of depression, tried to kilm himself, stole from the Inhumans, messed up pretty badly and became a villain/antagonist for a while even if he had good intentions, got divorced, had a lot of people and himself blaming him for M day (when it's not true! He made Wanda create a new world to not have her killed, but he never asked her to decimate mutants, he almost committed suicide because of M day!), he lied and lost his daughter's respect, confronted his father, went looking for Wanda, confronted Lorna, and finally after all of that and more...he admitted his mistakes, got his daughter back and started healing.

Meanwhile Wanda...went lost for a good while, came back, everything was Doom's fault because of reasons, I'm my own woman bye.

...Seriously? Look I'm not saying she was a villain and deserved to die or suffer horribly, but it's unfair! Pietro lived a hell when he only was trying to save his sister's life! And it's more infuriating how when writers go against Wanda it's always so misogynist, they magically forget all the X-men and Avengers that were also responsible of everything, Magneto for example.

And like...this narrative is constant, allow me to show it with the recent Uncanny Avengers. During a good while Pietro was the only Maximoff in the team and in general was a nice title for him, maybe a little OoC but it was fun to read, his interactions with the team were cute and heartwarming, it was obvious they cared about him.

Then Wanda came in the team after Secret Empire, right after she was controlled by Chthon. Rogue doesn't want her in the team because of this, and what does Pietro do?

He supported her, because that's what siblings do...even if she attacked him while being mind controlled (which is not her fault, that's why Pietro defends her).

Now what happened when he needed her? When he was the one being unfairly treated because of what happened with Emily? Because please, there is no way he could have known the guy had another helmet! It was a mistake but not to kick him out of the team! Well Wanda...

Really Wanda?! May I remind you Pietro was totally against using magic in the first place? I don't see you being like this with Jericho who brought the danger in the first place (he didn't know, love to Jericho).

Like it can't be more obvious, when Pietro is in an Avengers title and specially with Wanda his flaws are extremely remarked, the narrative is unfair or he is only the fast guy. There are some few exceptions like Avengers Academy that is a blessing, but more than that? Not much...which is why he should be a X-men character again, the retcon was a curse.

P.D: Just to clarify I love Wanda! I totally know the narrative can be horribly misogynistic, racist and ableist with her, please don't get me wrong! She is amazing and I love her relationship with Pietro when both characters are treated with respect, when they bring the best in the other, unfortunately many writers apparently can't do that and it breaks my heart, it makes me wish they would stay separated until Marvel could stop being horrible.

azulafrost

Why is Pietro not successful romantically? He seems to be on his own most of the time. Surely in their universe he’s considered good looking, we know he looks like Magneto but that cannot be an issue.

Pietro is a romantic, let’s be honest. Crystal really hurt him and he blames himself. She gaslit him. Crystal treating him the way she did played on all his worst thoughts about himself.

He’ll never be good enough; especially not for a Princess. He’ll fail as a Father like his Father did and that he’ll never be able to protect the ones he loves. I mean Crystal ignores Luna but still will not let Luna see him as much as she and he wants to.

Pietro feels doomed to fulfil his Father’s fate and his Father treats him like he’s to blame because he cannot fully separate himself from Pietro. I saw a panel where Pietro is talking in his sleep and he was talking about how Crystal said she was scared of him. Again another connection, his Mum got scared by Magneto and ran away.

He has been broken down by the Avengers by everyone almost. Really the only good way forward for him is an X Team.

Pietro makes a mistake and no one lets him live it down. Yet Pietro has never made a decision purely for his own benefit his decisions may backfire but it is never just for himself. The whole issue in many cases is that Pietro has been alienated by so many people by his team on many occasions but also by mutants. Which is why ANXF and his relationship with Lorna was really important. Lorna fought for him.

I think @imperiuswrecked can probably contribute much better. I have only really read Pietro from an X-Men stand point and have only seen snippets of him with the Avengers.

imperiuswrecked

If you want a basic view of how the Avengers treated Pietro please read this & this where @esteicy-blog really brings good insight to it and to his relationship with Crystal.

I agree that Pietro being on a X Team specifically X-Factor is the best place for him, he will never be written well in any Avengers teams and X-Men main books will focus on his family relationship with Magneto, but for him to really shine he needs to be on a team where he is valued.

As for why Pietro is unsuccessful romantically I have a few theories but the one that I usually think about is that Pietro is Demiromantic (someone who only develops romantic feelings for another person when they have a strong emotional connection to them). I know in Quicksilver fandom we have talked about this, him being Asexual, him being Pan or Bisexual, but I think him being Demiromantic does make the most sense, I think it was @teal-bandit who first mentioned this.

My other theories are that:

- Pietro was never a character who was a writer’s pet, aka a writer who wanted to develop him and write him well, until PAD came along, so most writers just don’t care about his relationships, he was even thrown together with Crystal just so that the writers could break up Johnny/Crystal once and for all by marrying her off.

- Because Pietro was married to Crystal and neither character was very popular on their own he was allowed to have a seemingly normal development in writing (until Englehart came along and decided to mess it up) such as a child, a family. Crystal is literally the first ever love interest Pietro has. He is never seen flirting with other women or men before that point.

- Crystal & Pietro were terrible together but they stayed as a couple until their divorce, so Pietro never cheated and never had other relationships for a very big chunk of his existence. Even after the divorce the most we get is a one time “joke” that Rictor slept with Pietro (X-Factor (2006) #14) I personally think Julio and Pietro did sleep together but Julio played it off as a joke after that reaction.

- I agree that Pietro often thinks of others, specifically his family before he ever considers his own happiness and wants.

- Marvel refuses to explore Pietro’s sexuality, because they were going to make him gay in an alternate universe but was afraid fans would demand he and Namor be gay in 616 canon even though they have had other characters such as Wolverine be gay in AU’s. I feel this is because the moment they wrote/drew it out it made more sense for Pietro to be Pan/Bi/Gay, but Marvel shoved him back into the closet. X

Also the artist Claire Hummel was pushing for Marvel to use romance type covers for the House of M mini.

So we are left with Quicksilver who only has one real relationship, maybe two other documented sexual encounters with Rictor & Warbird, before the MCU came along. Notice here that Pietro is once again not the one pursuing but Warbird kisses him out of the blue. Avengers Academy #38

Now we have the MCU/XMCU come along and basically change Pietro into a character he isn’t (as well as white wash him :/) The one I’m focusing on because it made an impact in the comics is MCU Pietro, Joss Whedon clearly didn’t know the character because he described Quicksilver as a “horndog” when in the last (at that time) 50 years of his creation he has been the furthest thing from a hypersexual character. The comics of that time specifically Uncanny Avengers vol 2 #1 after the Axis event suddenly have Pietro going on multiple dates when that has never been the norm for him. Clearly other characters do find him pretty however as we can see it was totally in the writers hands to actually write him as a man who would be romantically interested in by others.

At this point he begins to have a romantic relationship with Synapse which of course blows up in his face as he is blamed for getting hurt in a later battle (issue 29)

Pietro is the definition of “he has his heart in the right place but he often doesn’t stop to think his actions carefully through” and he blames himself for it every time. So this is basically why I believe Pietro is unsuccessful in love/relationships: The writers don’t really care about him being in a relationship that benefits him in any way and isn’t used for further plot/degradation to the character, otherwise we would see Pietro trying to explore himself/his sexual identity more because I really do not think that Pietro is a straight character.

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wmiller

Len loves nicknames.

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The only team I’m on is mine and Snart’s.

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ohthevillains

You wanna know what inspired Leonard Snart to sacrifice himself? It was you, Barry Allen. You inspired him to be better. You inspired him to be selfless, to sacrifice himself for others, to be a hero, just like you.