Itâs a legitimate question. I donât at all support the trans exclusionary parts of radical feminism but from looking through a lot of radfem blogs I have really yet to see anywhere near the same amount of vitriol coming from them as I see coming from other trans people. To be honest Iâve seen more support then anything.
Heya, can I help here a bit? The harm that terfs do to trans women is very much real. Terfs pretty much say that trans women are not women. A lot of times I have seen them condone abuse and murder of trans women, I have seen instances where they themselves have tried to do horrible things to trans women.
Yes we say transwomen arenât women (b/c transwomen are male not female and woman = adult human female). But, no we absolutely DO NOT condone the abuse and murder of transwomen. Where are your reciepts proving that we have tried to do terrible things to transwomen?
Well for starters health care actually generally covered trans needs up until 1980, until Janice Raymond and company helped write the report which ended trans healthcare(sure, of course there were plenty of other people who were in agreement, namely social conservatives. But a report by a leftist academic feminist with the support of some like minded friends gave a great deal of credence to the policy change) This is far more destructive than violence against any one individual and itâs something that is now only starting to change. Then you have more modern ones, most notably Shelia Jefferys and Cathy Brenan who have even teamed up with hardcore conservative groups to oppose trans protection bills and in a few instances even harassed people in real life. Then you have your standard hate posts on twitter and shit. Iâd say thatâd be irrelevant but some people on here scrounge social media to find any awful post by a trans person among tens of thousands to prove that trans people are awful. But my favorite one actually goes back to the 70s(and Janice Raymond again), and notably this situation at the Olivia Records recording collective http://www.transadvocate.com/terf-violence-and-sandy-stone_n_14360.htm What I love is the fact that this is pre internet. These people didnât write a stupid post on twitter, they actually sat down and took the time to write death threat letters
Oh, this is just silly now.Â
health care actually generally covered trans needs up until 1980, until Janice Raymond and company helped write the report which ended trans healthcare
Raymond was asked for salient quotes on her study; the actual research was done by Johns Hopkins.Â
Letâs see who was actually responsible for this decision. His name is Paul McHugh, former Psychiatrist in Chief at Johns Hopkins. He says:Â
We at Johns Hopkins Universityâwhich in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into âsex-reassignment surgery"âlaunched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as âsatisfiedâ by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didnât have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a âsatisfiedâ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs.
Oh, well. So you mean to tell me they stopped doing a medical procedure because they found that it didnât improve quality of life for their patients?Â
Well, then. Thatâs a little different.Â
And whatâs this tasty factoid here?
A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term studyâup to 30 yearsâfollowed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.
Oh, well, fuck! Itâs almost like changing the physical appearance does nothing to treat the underlying disorder, and could, in fact, exacerbate it leading to a 20% increase in POST-transition suicidality.Â
Oops.Â
Moving along:Â
a report by a leftist academic feminist with the support of some like minded friends gave a great deal of credence to the policy change
Really? Are you unfamiliar with the political climate in the 80s?Â
The decade was marked by one of the hardest shifts to the right in modern history. Reagan was content to let hundreds of thousands of gay men literally die in the streets before he paid a single iota of attention to the fact that AIDS wasnât a plague sent by an angry God but an epidemiological clusterfuck.Â
I really donât think that the political climate in the Reagan-era New Right were really paying a lot of attention to radical feminist scholars like Raymond.Â
But nice try.Â
As for TERF Hate, thatâs an article by Cristan Williams for the TransAdvocate, and you donât think thatâs a little biased?Â
Please, spare me. Olivia Records was an all-female collective that took money from the lesbian-feminist community to put on shows and create a lesbian record label.Â
The fact that Stone was male and then used that same male privilege to access training which made them essential to the collective isnât something to be brushed under the rug, and Stone did occupy a spot that a femaleâin the mandate of the group, keep in mindâcould have occupied just as effectively.Â
But hereâs a fun quote from Williams:Â
Sandy: The Gorgons was a group of women who wore cammo gear, shaved their heads and carried live weapons. We were told that when we got to town, they were going to kill me. Cristan: Wait, they said that they were going to KILL you if you came to Seattle? Sandy: Yes, but we kind of laughed about it. ⊠Cristan: The sheer oppressive weight of this impending violence that was hanging over your head, thatâs ready to drop upon you and the people you work with and care about at any moment⊠That had to feel like terrorism; itâs terror inducing.Â
You know, itâs so funny they should talk about aggressive people carrying live weapons and paramilitary gear.Â
Gee. Funny Williams should bring it up.Â
And then Williams says:Â
Wait, they said that they were going to KILL you
Like this is some big horrific event, and not something violent receiptsâ gets every damn day from trans women aimed against feminists. I, for one, just delete them, but I once had a nationally ranked trans activist tell me they were going to put a bullet in me, and Iâve had trans women threaten to rape me, and threaten to kill me.Â
So, unless Williams is willing to clutch her pearls on my account, Iâm calling bullshit.Â
Cristan: The sheer oppressive weight of this impending violence that was hanging over your head, thatâs ready to drop upon you and the people you work with and care about at any moment⊠That had to feel like terrorism; itâs terror inducing.
violenttransmalewitness and violent receiptsâ are full of examples of the terror-inducing, âfeels like terrorismâ levels of hate and harassment trans women dish out online and in person.
So, good to know Williams agrees that what trans activists are doing to radical feminists is terrorism.Â
scrounge social media to find any awful post by a trans person among tens of thousands to prove that trans people are awful.
Yeah, I didnât really need to look that hard. There was no scrounging. Itâs like looking for grubsâkick any rock and youâll find em.Â
Then you say this:Â
they actually sat down and took the time to write death threat letters
(Note: Below, Ms. Brennan is posting a letter she received in the mail)
So thereâs that.Â
Then again, there was also the time where a trans woman tried to shut down a Vancouver Rape Crisis shelter serving disenfranchised First Nations women in the Downtown East Side at the same time that they were all being killed by a serial killerâŠÂ
Thatâs worse than a death threat, since women actually did end up dead and abused as a result.Â
Then there was the time trans activists picketed a memorial for Missing, Murdered and Massacred WomenâŠÂ
Natalie Reedâš11/19/2013
So⊠VANCOUVER TRANS PEEPS (and allies)⊠as many of you know Vancouver Rape Relief has invited Janice Raymond to speak at the Vancouver Public Library (presumably the downtown location) on November 30th, as an event memorializing the massacre at LâEcole Polytechnique. Given VRRâs trans-exclusionist policies, history of trans-misogyny, ongoing support of transphobic feminism, dismissal of Kimberly Nixon, subsequent legal defense, and role in setting legal precedent that permits anti-trans discrimination in Canada, and Janice Raymondâs own history of extraordinary trans-misogyny and central role in the development of transphobia within feminism, we canât really consider this coincidental or benign, nor can we assume the talk will simply be about LâEcole Polytechnique, misogynistic violence or women in STEM fields.
In all likelihood, it will almost certainly be an openly cissexist, trans-misogynistic talk, probably based around arguing for trans-exclusionist policy to âprotectâ the âsafetyâ of âwomyn-born-womynâ.
Many folks are trying to prevent VPL from hosting the event, especially given that VPLâs own policies insist upon events being inclusive and respectful towards marginalized groups and identities (and IIRC, gender identity is specifically mentioned). *Hopefully* the talk being prevented from taking place at VPL is what will happen, or at least VPL inviting members of the trans community to respond / debate. BUT IF THE VRR / JANICE RAYMOND TALK PROCEEDS AS PLANNED⊠I would very much like if we could organize a counter-event to take place at VPL the same day (with or without explicit approval from VPL⊠library squareâs status as public space should permit us to gather there regardless of prior approval- at least long enough to stage the response event- as long as we arenât being destructive or harassing anyone or anything).
I was thinking of organizing speakers to talk on four topics that would serve as a useful counter-point to the trans-misogyny of Vancouver Rape Relief and Janice Raymond:
1) The consequences of trans-exclusionist policy, and/or trans people being unable to safely access services like rape/abuse/DV support services, homeless and emergency shelters, sexual health services, police services, medical care, etc. âŠwith a definite focus on the rape/abuse/DV stuff (I could take this up as a topic myself, if needed, based on my experiences as a trans rape survivor and my ongoing inability to find any suitable support or resources).
2) The consequences of transphobic, cissexist and trans-misogynistic feminism, as exemplified by writers like Janice Raymond, Sheila Jeffries, Mary Daly, etc., and the consequences of exclusion of or unwelcoming attitudes towards trans women in womenâs spaces, organizations, communities, etc. (perhaps tilted towards trans womenâs exclusion from feminist space and queer womenâs space).
3) Trans-misogynistic violence (which can tie into TDoR and recent events).
4) How trans women are impacted by misogyny and misogynistic violence, like that of the LâEcole Polytechnique shooting, and how trans-misogyny, transphobia, cissexism, etc interrelates with misogyny, patriarchy, etc.
I think these topics will make a compelling point (ideally to ppl who are there for the Raymond talk, or who have uncritically supported VRR in the past, or who are associated w/ VPL, or who are simply unaware of these issues)⊠particularly if our event manages to round up better attendance than the Raymond talk itself.
If interested in helping organize this event, or interested in speaking, or interested in helping out in any way at all, please please comment or message me or e-mail me at [email protected] Also, even just expressing interest in ATTENDING could help give a good idea of whether this works as an idea.
Hopefully none of this will be necessary, but given that itâs less than two weeks away, we should start organizing ASAP.
and that the organizer of said picket, Natalie Reed
was also banned from the University of Toronto for making violent threats against students and staff there.Â
So, I see your âletter writing boohooâ and raise you the fucking picket of a memorial march for missing and murdered women.Â
Unlike your buddies up there reblogging hearsay and âI heard a TERF said something mean about a puppy this one timeâ, Iâm happy to provide the evidence to back my words up.Â
Try doing the same next time.Â
Every radical feminist should have this post bookmarked and on hand the next time a genderist uses an appeal to emotion to silence her.
I constantly see people crying about how radical feminists âaligned themselves with conservativesâ to hurt trans people or deny them healthcare or some other such nonsense, so itâs such a relief to see that get picked apart in such detail.  Next time some asshole talks about how callous and cruel they think radfems are, Iâll cite this and reply with a âboo-fuckin-hoo.âÂ
People flipped their shit at me when I said that the trans community turns everything into a trans issue, but here it is perfectly exemplified in the cases of the Vancouver rape crisis centre and the memorial. Not only did First Nations women die, the trans community didnât care. And what did they do in the case of the memorial? Picket it, and try to turn the issue of violence against females into - oh what a shock - violence against trans women.
Great job friends.


















