Trying To Clear The Air

[shibes-husband]

Closing this Blog

since both sides seemed to be in a, for lack of a better word, truce, i’ll be closing this blog too

[shibes-husband]

idk if it’s too late for you to see this but maybe have shibe look into the possibility she has POCD. it would explain some things.

Possibly, though I wouldnt throw around the word p*do with out an actual diagnoses from a professional.

her and I have talked about things and I may have pin pointed some factors that could also explain this.

[blacksuncallout]

Callout for BlackSunAU Creator, Shibe Winers

(TRIGGER WARNING FOR INCEST, PEDOPHILIA, RAPE, GORE, ABUSE AND BESTIALITY)

The following callout is made to bring light the concerning content Shibe Winers takes part in. The full document will break down her public likes under her nsfw account (containing problematic content), her “copy-cat” account that also promotes and creates problematic content, and various other allegations. 

Please make note of the trigger warning above before continuing. 

google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRZZP0-KjZYY_lWDQQp-v1NqybGCGJxb-jfxImlM1ovlCmiWzTQGYRNsa6oX97n0G4sKqvh7fVS7kvS/pub

[shibe-testimony]

Im not sure if this will fit but I’ll still try.

I completely apologize for all the distrust and hurt ive caused everyone. I in no way wanted this to get out of hand and im so sorry.

In short. Yes. I own the poppy blog. It was reckless and idiotic that i lied about it so much when multiple people called me out. For all the people i have hurt i am sincerely sorry. If you want to stop reading, feel free to. I will not force you to accept me back but i want to clear things up for the people I’ve hurt.

When i made the au, i was already being chastised for drawing nsfw. And when joxkin fans came to me asking if it was okay to enjoy the au, i felt grave pain for the people harassed. I started making friends with the darker side of the fandom and came to my own conclusion that these people were wonderful. I not am lying when i say i don’t like joxkin but i can look past this intrest to see the person behind this. I am not apologizing for real life incest but i dont judge. I see the person for who they are, if their personality is awful i do not associate with them.

I started poppy as a gore blog. As you all know, i do love blood and gore but even then i felt awful. In my mind i was in a limbo of outside of the wholesome fandom and outside of the darker theme fandom, i wanted a sense of belonging and forced myself to draw joxkin. I wanted friendship more than anything being in a new fandom all on my own.

At that point, my lies and denial began as people were ‘okay with the gore but hated the joxkin’. I felt isolated again and privated the poppy blog, scared of this exact thing. I denied poppy was me because i was scared that i would lose everything. And if i am, i want this to be on MY terms.

So too long, didn’t read?

I am poppy. I do not like joxkin. I draw gore and sweet things. I love my friends.

Do not send hate to my friends (ex or not) they have nothing to do with MY actions.

This is my apology to everyone. Im sorry things out of control and i completely own up to what i have done. I am not going to hide anymore, im done being deceitful. I have learned from this and hope you all seek the clarity you were looking for.

I want to change and i want to grow from this. If you want to support me, thank you. If you want to forget me, then i wish you nothing but luck and love.

Goodbye for now, Shibe.

[ccarmody101]

My take

(Side note, I do not mind doing this on main, cause this is how serious I am)

Hello,! As some know due to the callout post on tumblr and Shibes reply on Instagram/tumblr, they have been put under fire due to art and other things on twitter accounts she owns and some things that have been said

Depending where I post this I’ll try to be as vague as possible to the accusations seeing as they are NSFW topics

I have read both sides, with the callout and moms reply,

I am aware that and don’t condone actions of abuse and incest in the real world, and gore is just not for everyone.

I’ve only been the moomin fandom since the near end of last year, closely entering the BS fandom shortly after that

I’ve gotten to know mom in a personal way, and she has been through a lot regarding things outside of Twitter and tumblr, and have grown a wonderful family with her help and many others

She has not brought such actions or feelings of the images on Twitter to our attention, and I wished she’d talk to us about any struggles she was going through, but can understand why she wouldn’t want to have talked about it to us

Going through uncertainty and wanting to be liked can make anyone do things they regret, and with any work of fiction, a piece of work does not have to show things that are supported by the creator.

Like fanfics, songs (vaguely), and art, themes like gore can be explored by the artists want to explore those themes

I’ve known mom long enough to know that when she says she does not support ||incest and abuse|| then I believe her.

She has shown us (the au family) countless times she reached out to others to help them, and makes sure that we are validated in our feelings

Concerning poppy,

As mom said, it was supposed to be a gore account, and a way to step out and try the darker side of the fandom, wanting to be liked and appreciated, and by all accounts, any human on this earth wants to be liked.

That can lead them to do actions as stated before that aren’t something they’d normally do, or that they’d condone at all,

There are something’s I cannot deny or defend, but I will stand by Shibe no matter what.

She apologized for her actions, and means well

Anyone in their situation would want to be included, and as long as they take action to correcting the things they know are wrong, I will be there to support and see it through with them.

They are my friend, they are amazing,

And while some things they did were wrong, they do not need to be slapped with “every dark moomin content creator is like this”

I hope they are feeling ok, and to any minors here that do not feel comfortable please contact me with your questions and concerns.

I will answer them when I have the chance to at work

Clover out ❤️

[bcvbcvbrew]

I’m sorry but saying you don’t support child porn+rape+incest+abuse, you just draw and fetishize it because you felt bad for the people that support it is not an excuse. Nor is saying that you wanted to be liked and accepted by the people that support child porn+rape+incest+abuse. 

And this isn’t a child who got caught up in horrible groups while young and vulnerable, you are a grown adult who knew what you were doing. And you CLEARLY knew what you were doing was wrong, as you then proceeded to hide it and lie about it whenever someone confronted you. Also why do you only address the joxkin, not the rest of it.

And I’m not saying this in a way to say “oh you’re evil and can never redeem yourself.” I’m saying this because you say that you want to change and get better. But you can’t do that while still shifting blame or making excuse for yourself. You have to take full responsibility for your actions, not just some responsibility. You won’t be able to grow unless you accept your mistakes and learn from them.

And to the person defending them: I understand where you are coming from, it’s hard to accept that someone that was nice to you could do horrible things. But just because they were nice to you doesn’t make what they did ok in any regard. This + you referring to them as mom and saying they refer to fans of the au as family is incredibly frightening. That sounds like grooming to me. Please be careful and think about what you are getting into.

[ccarmody101]

I don’t know who this was addressed to at first till I saw the end-

To be clear, I referred to them as “Mom” due to their avatar being of mother mymble ,

If you read my bio I am 20, so there is no grooming involved on my account.

There is a lot of different threads going on about this topic, and i suggest looking at all the posts and asks/answers referenced to this drama.

I refer to the people I know and talk to privately as family, since they are my friends

I cannot defend things that have already been done when it comes to the content found on Twitter, but know that their apology is genuine and that they feel immense guilt for the actions that they have done

They have already stated they are in need of help and will be seeking out therapy, and it is the actions that are taken now that I will be judging.

When people feel vulnerable and are in a bad mindset they will do things that ofc aren’t morally ok, and it is totally valid for others to say and feel like the things they feel

It is wrong to berate and attack the person in question as well, but I don’t expect people to not do it, especially on this site

What they did wasn’t ok, but they apologized

I will not throw what kindness they showed to me in their face, i accepted their apology, and can only hope that they get help and treatment they need. It wasn’t a healthy coping mechanism, and they know it fully well.

I will stand by what I said,

I don’t condone their actions, but I accept their apology and hope to see them get better

Thank you

[bcvbcvbrew]

Adults can be groomed as well, which is why I brought it up to you. However, you say that that is not the case, so I will believe you on that. I was simply worried about your well being.

Shibe has apologized, addressed the issue, and said that they are going to seek help, so I have nothing more to add on the subject but that I hope recovery goes well.

[ccarmody101]

I can understand the concern but throwing in a term like grooming can (and has already) made a lot of mis information spread, especially since the term is mainly used for “adult to child” situations

This is a Situation between a mom friend and a community that (like other fandoms) call family

Thank you for explaining what you ment, and I too don’t want to push the matter further,

I too wish shibe a full recovery and will be there to support her as a friend

🍀💛🖤❤️

[shibes-husband]

thank you for your retraction, bcv 

[shibes-husband]

@blacksuncallout

I must ask 1 thing from you

Somewhere on your blog there is an accusation where Clover @ccarmody101 called Shibe “mom” and someone in the reblogs called that “grooming”

I don’t recall it being someone on the blog or someone who followed you

That is not what grooming is, especially when it’s an adult calling her a family name.

There are things called “the mom friend” which Shibe definitely is. I myself have called my friends ‘mom’ or ‘grandpa’ (though the grandpa one is more of a joke) and there is 0 sexual intent behind it. It’s a simple term of endearment.

That is not evidence of grooming, please don’t claim it is or support people who say that.

[the-shipper-of-heart]

And you claim its ‘grooming’ when Clover puts on her profile shes 20?? 

An adult.

And the AU im p sure started like, maybe last year? when Clover was still an adult? And there’s the accusation of it being ‘disturbing’ that she calls the AU fans ‘family.’

there’s a lot of people who refer to fandoms as their family. and im pretty sure she meant ‘family’ as in the friends she made while part of the AU...calling your friends ‘family’ isnt grooming or disturbing???

[ccarmody101]

It was from here,

They indicated it sounded like grooming, and people started to take it out of context due to the drama and multiple threads going on

[shibes-husband]

I made an edit to the original post

[shibes-husband]

@blacksuncallout

I must ask 1 thing from you

Somewhere on your blog there is an accusation where Clover @ccarmody101 called Shibe “mom” and someone in the reblogs called that “grooming”

I don’t recall it being someone on the blog or someone who followed you

That is not what grooming is, especially when it’s an adult calling her a family name.

There are things called “the mom friend” which Shibe definitely is. I myself have called my friends ‘mom’ or ‘grandpa’ (though the grandpa one is more of a joke) and there is 0 sexual intent behind it. It’s a simple term of endearment.

That is not evidence of grooming, please don’t claim it is or support people who say that.

[the-shipper-of-heart]

And you claim its ‘grooming’ when Clover puts on her profile shes 20?? 

An adult.

And the AU im p sure started like, maybe last year? when Clover was still an adult? And there’s the accusation of it being ‘disturbing’ that she calls the AU fans ‘family.’

there’s a lot of people who refer to fandoms as their family. and im pretty sure she meant ‘family’ as in the friends she made while part of the AU...calling your friends ‘family’ isnt grooming or disturbing???

[shibes-husband]

@blacksuncallout

I must ask 1 thing from you

Somewhere on your blog there is an accusation where Clover @ccarmody101 called Shibe “mom” and someone in the reblogs called that “grooming”

I don’t recall it being someone on the blog or someone who followed you

That is not what grooming is, especially when it’s an adult calling her a family name.

There are things called “the mom friend” which Shibe definitely is. I myself have called my friends ‘mom’ or ‘grandpa’ (though the grandpa one is more of a joke) and there is 0 sexual intent behind it. It’s a simple term of endearment.

That is not evidence of grooming, please don’t claim it is or support people who say that.

Edit: it was someone in their reblogs, not someone on the callout blog from what I understand, my mistake. My point however still stands

[shibes-husband]

I’m on mobile for this so anon wont be turned on for this yet

[shibes-husband]

its fixed if you want to ask a question please keep things civil and mature 

[the-shipper-of-heart]

Black Sun AU

(concerning the Drama) So I’ve been a member of the AU community for a while. I dont really contribute to it, but I’ve gotten to know people within and they have been nothing but the upmost nicest/kindest/most welcoming people I’ve met in a while. They act like a family and help out one another/encourage support each other. The runners of it care about everyone involved. When I joined the AU I was going through some stuff and didn’t really talk to many people. But  now I consider them like a family. That being said, I have seen the ‘evidence’ against Shibes/The creator of the AU. I do not condone any of the topics she has been accused of (pedo, non-con, incest, abuse, bestiality, etc) and I hope her liking art of it on her Twitter(s) was just an accident/a case of ‘liking everything on my feed w/o looking’ but even if it wasn’t, I genunely believe she is sorry about what she did and I hope she can seek any help she may need (if need be). That being said, I know she does not condone/approve of ANY  of those topics in the AU or in general. She is getting flak for only talking about one topic (Joxkin) but not addressing the rest. And? She was just accused of a lot of stuff. GIVE HER TIME.

I’m going to continue supporting Shibes, The AU, and everyone involved

[shibes-husband]

I’m on mobile for this so anon wont be turned on for this yet

[shibes-husband]

Hello, I am shibes husband

I hope to hopefully help clear some air here

I have talked with my wife over the recent events and have recommended she gets help, while I don’t believe looking at l*li and sh*ta is the end all, be all, evidence to accuse someone of being a pedo, I do believe it’s still an issue that needs to be addressed.

She has taken full responsibility and it’s extremely distressed over this. Which is much better than just deleting and running away.

I know her better than anyone, and I know that she is not this evil person that people think she is because they saw some surface level shit.

She wants to get better, she knows to never do this again. And I am choosing to stand by her side and make sure she gets that help.

While i can’t give away full private details or speak for her 100% I do still have my own opinions and I will be more than happy to try and answer some questions