I'm actually.curious how you wanted to update the exo trauma post as someone who struggles with exo trauma very badly, it's okay if you don't want to share but I didn't know it was an old post so I wonder ??
that's sort of the thing – i'm not sure how i would! it's an "i wish" as in, i wish i had better advice to give, i wish we had Solved The Problem, i wish i could say more helpful things.
at the very least, i wish the conversation wasn't still "hey this is real and serious and matters", but it seems like that still needs to be said.
the best i think we could add would be, like, a comparison of the two system members of ours who struggle with that type of trauma, what's helped each of them separately (because it is sorta intriguing to me, for instance, that one of them Cannot Do embodied-mindfulness sort of activities while that's been the main thing that helps the other guy.) but ultimately that just speaks to the "everyone has their own particular situations and needs, check out your options idk."
part of me enjoys being Known for a certain style of story, but also it means i can't really... surprise people, i feel.
like wow ace wrote yet another thing involving abuse, violations of consent, and psychological torture. wait, something good is happening to the characters? guess the other shoe will drop at some point – oh look it's dropped, who's even surprised.
oh well. it's probably not as big a problem as i worry.
@kristsune: Two cake theory!! Someone will Always want more cake.
i think it's less "people will get bored of it" than like... feeling like there's a range of possible emotions i could evoke in someone, but it's always going to be dread and anxiety because it is very hard to get an audience to not Dread once you've started down that path lol
ive been told even Doubled (which i would consider my fic that is least Like That) is approached as something that will probably leave you disquieted and unsatisfied (/positive).
i just don't have a very wide artistic repertoire, which isn't strictly a good thing i think :')
part of me enjoys being Known for a certain style of story, but also it means i can't really... surprise people, i feel.
like wow ace wrote yet another thing involving abuse, violations of consent, and psychological torture. wait, something good is happening to the characters? guess the other shoe will drop at some point – oh look it's dropped, who's even surprised.
oh well. it's probably not as big a problem as i worry.
re: w.bg and plurality, there was actually a moment in the most recent commentary (e182) that was kinda meaningful to me
it's while MMXL swaps from speaking as Mike to speaking as XL. Dylan comments that people have referred to that moment as different people fronting, but he intended it a bit differently, like they're overlapping constantly but can only talk one at a time, not switching fronters.
and like. not to make this About Dylan, but that's a much more meaningful, to me, engagement with plurality than saying "it's not plurality because consolidation is a fictional thing, which plurality isn't," which always sliiiightly bothered me as a discussion-stopping answer (such conflicted thoughts became part of the essay lol)
but saying, yeah it's not really fronting, is more specifically saying here's this specific aspect of plurality that it could be, but it's not because the description doesn't fit, not because we've kinda shut down the conversation from the onset.
besides. that just means the answer is that they're co-fronting, lmao.
(also, i wonder what it's like for people not in the discord and thus maybe less familiar with how much plural talk there is. "what the hell's a fronting.")
Mike Walters (WOE.BEGONE) vs Winston Smith (Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell)
Mike Walters (WOE.BEGONE)
Winston Smith (Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell)
Remaining time: 10 hours 49 minutes
WOE.BEGONE is an audio drama without official character designs, so one of its cover images has been used to represent Mike Walters. Nineteen Eighty-Four is a novel without official character designs, so one if its covers has been used to represent Winston Smith.
Please let me know if I used the wrong image or tags for either character! I do my best, but I'm not in every fandom.
Propaganda for Mike Walters:
He struggles a lot with identity, and woebeone has a lot of what I’d describe as “what if one person was multiple guys/what if multiple people were one guy”
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there are hundreds of this guy
Propaganda for Winston Smith:
rip winston smith the party couldnt hated you for your dissociative swagger
Some propaganda for Mike Walters is considered spoilers for WOE.BEGONE and is below the cut.
Spoiler propaganda for Mike Walters:
Woe.begone is a podcast that centers on time travel and what people do with it. Mike Walters is the protagonist of this podcast. within woe.begone, there is a time travel concept that mike and his friends refer to as "iterations." Iterations are, incredibly dumbing this down, versions of people from a certain period of time. in woe.begone, an iteration can be made using a preset on technology to take a person from 1 second prior 1 second into the future and now theres two of them. these iterations can be "consolidated" back into the same person but otherwise continue to exist unless killed or corrected by using time travel technology to make it so they were never made with the technology.... woe.begone itself as a podcast has a lot of ideas about what it means to be a person, so consolidation isn't actually that simple of an idea. Mike Walters eventually comes to the belief that he calls "iterative personhood" which means that he believes iterations of himself removed through time are worth empathy and consideration, and that they aren't all exactly what he thinks of as "himself." This is visibly true in many ways.
When Mike forms his time travel organization "base" with his friends, two versions of himself from the future provide him support via the project known as "satellite base." These versions are referred to as mike and Michael. Michael decides one day (for a myriad of reasons) that he is going to be a cowboy. I can't explain it any other way than that, but Michael isn't the only one that just decides to pick up a persona and start acting differently from the rest of Mike Walters. Another iteration, "Mdawg" is depicted as acting like a laid back hippy, for example. Oftentimes, in Mike Walters's circle these iterations serve different roles, like the other half of the two from the future, who is sometimes also referred to as "Latvia mike" to keep things straight. Latvia mike takes it upon himself to be "the reasonable one" of the mikes, believing the Mike Walters of the past (mikey) and the one in his future (Michael) to be incapable of this. Michael himself tries to be the strong one and protect everyone as well.
In woe.begone season 17, a concept is introduced. A new type of consolidation known as "cross consolidation." Cross consolidation is a special type of consolidation of iterations that while also having other new capabilities creates an effect between the iterations that have been consolidated that instead of being/feeling like one person, the end result is someone that feels like two+ people, one possibly leading more than the other and switching back and forth. This is audibly shown by switching voices and speech patterns, even if in the reality of the show the other people don't hear it that way. many people have viewed this season with a more plural reading, and I agree that its a very intriguing way to view it and mike himself. theres a lot more I could say but I don't have my woe.begone analysis license so we're keeping it like this. end rambling listen to my badly done not the best of the evidence rushed audio clips three.... and vote Mike Walters...
"My name is Ozymandias--hope you're enjoying my kickass sculpture of two vast and trunkless legs of stone and a shattered visage! I built it in this desert to prove an important point about Society
tagging next honey-eater chapter with "illegal campfire building", because the abuse and high control environment are one thing but i do not want my audience to think im condoning dangerous violations of fire safety laws
e253 episode name spoiler, which you can technically see if not a patron so i'm fine posting it now
it's been a while since i've made an effort to really memorize episode titles again. i should get back on that. so that i can remember such great titles like e188 "_______, ??", or e236 "Day -1287", or even e253 "Propagation & Consolidation pt 2" (not to be confused with e50, "Propagation & Consolidation")
hah, old-ass "supporting someone with exotrauma" post suddenly getting notes again and. i wish i could update it with the Wisdom Of Eight Years On but like. man idk. look around at what helps survivors and ask them what they want. it's not like we have anything solved over here, why are you listening to us lmao
An evil clone duplicated my friend and everyone wants me to help figure out which one is the real one but I keep getting distracted because the way they grab at each other roughly hands on identical hands and insult each other so targetedly is actually really, really hot. Can't we just keep both of them? We'll just domesticate the doppelganger. It'll be fine.
