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hey guys I know we’re all ninjago fans here but please remember that ninjago is hugely racist & appropriative of east asian cultures. you cannot ignore this if you’re a fan of the show.
some people may not recognise what’s racist about it, care to explain?
as a disclaimer, I’m speaking as a white person, so I might be missing things.
so a lot of cultural appropriation is taking something important from a culture, disregarding its importance and its history as part of that culture, and using it for your own thing.
the entire concept of ninjago is “colorful ninjas who are basically superheroes protect ninjago,” based on the popular misconception of ninjas as Cool Fighters. this is in itself kind of racist! like, if you’re going to take a Japanese concept, and completely divorce it from its origins to repackage for a western audience… that’s cultural appropriation. they could have easily done a superhero show with the same concepts of elemental powers, and it would not have been racist from the start.
it’s also clearly written for a western audience, and not meant to be Japanese representation; out of the main group of ninja, only Kai and Nya have names that are arguably not english. Wu is called “sensei,” but “Wu” is not a Japanese name, it’s Chinese. the name “Garmadon” is also not japanese. Misako could be? however, Lloyd is given an english name. so it’s a western story for a western audience with an east asian facade.
ninjago mangles a LOT of other Japanese concepts (& also other east asian cultures, and other asian cultures based on the racist caricature that is nadakhan). the concept of yin-yang is thrown around several times esp. in the day of the departed with no indication that the writers did any research. dragons are based on their western counterparts as violent beasts. there’s a lot more!
that’s like… the gist of it. there’s more things to talk about, like the interpretation of ninjago as an assimilationist story, but im not super comfortable talking about that as a white person.
as an asian, all of the points above are correct. like, I enjoy ninjago, just like avatar, but just like it, it’s filled with a lot of cultural appropriation
basically, western creators make a western show that’s ‘themed’ asian for a western audience. they don’t ever try to make an effort to actually understand the cultures they are taking from
I myself, can’t really read chinese or japanese characters (which share roots so some characters are the same, if I’m correct), and my mom saw them and said she couldn’t understand the ones on the ninjas’ outfits. I don’t know if it applies for every outfit, but even just that instant shows that the creators really don’t care as much as they should?
just another bit to add, and it’s about yin yang as well. as in they used it in a proposal sense? which we could see when jay asked nya to be the yin to his yang, and I feel that it’s such an overtly western interpretation of yin yang???
hello i just came across this post and i’d like to add in my little (read: large) share of things as a chinese as well (i also know basic and conversational japanese).
before anything though, i’d like to first say that ninjago was the closest i ever got to asian representation on western tv (i had not known avatar back then unfortunately) and it did help me a lot through harsh times and improve my english significantly. however, i am thankful this issue is being addressed.
just like previous ops, i like ninjago as much as the next ninjago fan probably but i’d still want to get this out.
i am currently rewatching the show and despite rewatching it around 10 times as a kid before leaving the fandom in 2015, i only now notice many mistakes and more culturally appropriated things.
everything stated above is accurate and i’m glad the title of ‘sensei’ has been changed to ‘master’ in the later seasons.
misako can be a japanese name, with the ‘mi’ part being the kanji 美 (beautiful) as a possible definition.
the show does indeed take many elements of mainly chinese and japanese cultures and traditions and twists them into a western meaning, which even goes on to the designs of the dragons.
in chinese culture, dragons resemble more like a sort of snake with small legs looking like chicken legs while western dragons resemble more to reptilians and have the classic ‘evil’ and ‘menacing’ look, which is what primary ninjago’s dragons have as trait.
unfortunately, my chinese reading skills are quite mediocre for my level but in many of the old seasons, i see the character 忍者 everywhere. on the dragons’ flags as decorations, the monastery and the characters also appear on kai’s blacksmith shop. those characters literally mean ‘ninja’, while kai’s blacksmith shop is called ‘four weapons’. if they needed characters for that, they should’ve had something like ‘四器’, which means ‘four weapons’.
going to what op (@gendercryptiid) said about the characters appearing on the ninja’s gi, some of the characters appear to be distortion of hanzi/kanji.
kai’s looks like a distortion of ‘平’, which means ‘peace’ or ‘flat’. jay’s looks like ‘羊’, which means ‘sheep’. lloyd’s looks like ‘斗’, which means ‘battle’ but the character ‘抖’ should’ve been used rather than the former. zane’s looks like a distortion of ‘山’ (mountain) and ‘冰’ (ice). cole’s doesn’t look like any existing character. lloyd’s and jay’s resemble the closest to existing characters, but they should’ve picked characters that tie in more with their personalities.
and i know that the premise, as the previous op said, the premise is ninjas being superheroes. however, looking at it historically, ninja and samurai basically worked for opposing ideals.
samurai were essentially military nobility and officer caste from medival japan to the early-modern age of it. and, according to a video by asian boss where they interviewed a ninja (shinobi), it was mostly samurai who used shurikens rather than ninja.
i’d also like to say that many elements of ninjago architecture is mixed up with japanese and chinese elements and with many inaccuracies like both monasteries of wu and garmadon and the temple of airjitzu but that is a can of worms for another day.
that’s all what i wanted to say but there’s definitely more than i can talk about. as much as i like ninjago and am going back to this fandom, i want to say that i am pleasantly surprised to come across this post.
i feel like i added too much but dhdnsjsj here’s my fair share on the table that i wanted to talk about for years :’) enjoy
after rewatching s6 and s7-10 i am back with more things i have noticed with more links and resources you are free to check out.
again, the following disclaimer goes: i am a chinese-canadian and i grew up with ninjago in my late childhood and it’s thanks to this show that i am where i am now but i would just like to raise awareness furthermore.
i believe a previous op (@kilioio) also mentioned the fact that most of the villains in ninjago have more asian like features and asian caricatures. i’ll be breaking everything down by season with what i can remember and i am including the pilots.
pilots season
with the pilot seasons, we are introduced to kai’s village and his blacksmith shop. assuming that ninjago takes traditional elements from both chinese and japanese culture and mixes it up with modern elements, just like actual asian countries, kai’s blacksmith shop seems fine at first glance. there is a shot that shows us the interior of the blacksmith shop, however.
this is something i’d like to point out. while we can see the general landscape of ignacia being heavily inspired by japanese landscape with the bonsai like trees, the blacksmith shop itself has more of a chinese feel on the outside, looking at the roofs. we can see the tips of the blacksmith roof go more upwards, which is more of an architecture trait seen more present in chinese architecture than japanese (just compare azuchi castle and the forbidden palace). the inside of the shop is more japanese than chinese. japanese houses often have a small separation between the entrance of the house (kai’s shop) and the rest of their living quarters and it is separated by a small step and that’s where they take off their shoes. the bed and windows also look very japanese since japanese architecture is a tad bit more simplistic. the bed also screams of tatami.
more so, nya’s outfit is quite obviously a qipao, which is a chinese dress with manchu origins. the manchus were the main ethnic group to have ruled over china over the qing dynasty, the last dynasty before the fall of imperial china and the very slow move to the modern age (along with a civil war that happened in the middle of a world war and the second sino-japanese war). i noticed in season 11, dareth and jay called her new blue qipao a ‘kimono’, which is so damn wrong to call it a kimono in the first place.
i don’t even think i even need to attach a picture of a kimono here to tell you its differences.
in fact, many of the times where the characters do employ the word ‘kimono’ for clothes, they are mostly in the wrong. the outfits that wu and garmadon wear when they are young could also be classified as gi. some of the clothes wu wears in the later seasons could rather be called “wushu clothing” than kimono, like the outfit he wears in s5 to s7.
second, the monastery of spinjitzu.
oh boy i have a lot to say about this because holy shit. monasteries in japan and china look something more like this
the first is the sanmon, a gate, to tofukuji temple in japan. the second image is one of the buildings of the wenshu monastery in china. if ninjago really wanted to have a monastery hidden in the mountains, they could’ve taken inspiration from china’s own hanging temple which they did in season 5 (and i imagine it would be stunning without that annoying ass wind fight)
the inside of the monastery is. quite japanese. the sliding shogi doors and the tatami mats are an obvious giveaway, but the very top of the monastery looks something more like a pagoda? the temple of fire too, it has a lot of pagoda inspirations that i can easily recognize. but the roofs used to build that “pagoda” section of the monastery look relatively more leaning towards chinese architecture than japanese.
the ninja’s gis are also very similar to gis of real ninjas but in different colours. i won’t nitpick on that since japanese media also has its fair share of rather colourful ninjas.
nothing to say about the skeletons honestly? they look more like clowns but they were a fun lil enemy not going to lie
and thats it for the pilots.
season 1
not going to cover the tombs because i do not go into that sort of territory.
i’m not too well versed on ships to say anything on the destiny’s bounty, but the newer design of it (as of SoG arc) does sport sails that look a lot more like sails on traditional chinese ships than its 2 other past versions. ninjago city looks something like beijing in its very early modernization period and i’m not too well versed to talk about snakes either. @garmadonisbackbaby already made a general post regarding s1 and s2′s elements but.
the one name that keeps getting to me is jamanakai village like what kind of absurd japanese sounding name is that. and the overly excessive use of lanterns for the buildings is almost kind of cringe to see because if you were to put that many lanterns outside of your house in china or japan, you’d be seen as a total fool. lanterns are mostly used for festivities. not to mention some of the stores look more chinese than japanese when the village has an awfully japanese sounding name.
and for further insight and development on @garmadonisbackbaby‘s post on weaponry usage by ninjago and actual ninjas, there are these 2 videos made by asian boss who interviewed the last ninja and asked him many questions, including many questions that come from naruto. the first part is here and the second part is here.
season 2
nothing much to say except the same things i have for season 1 and like more than half of the show was filler anyways but the stone army bears heavy resemblance to the terracotta army in china that was built under the orders of qin shi huang to safeguard is tomb after death. what were the stone army protecting?
the overlord is on the other side of the fucking world lmao but not only that, the stone army wears samurai hats and straw hats and their armour looks very much so like samurai armour or armour from the ming dynasty. also, their faces do look sort of asian.
season 3
new ninjago city is just seoul and tokyo mixed together at this point and the ‘characters’ on the billboards seen in the city do sort of resemble japanese katakana but they’re not even katakana so like i couldn’t read it properly either. nothing much to say on this either except for garmadon’s monastery, which is clearly a pagoda but it’s. very off to what an actual pagoda looks like.
this is garmadon’s monastery and notice how there isnt any balcony whatsoever and the indents on the shogi doors that are supposed to be windows but definitely look more like doors and have no balcony.
in comparison, this is what the fogong pagoda in china looks like and here’s goju no to pagoda in japan.
they could’ve at least made it look more lively with more colours why is garmadon’s monastery so bland in comparison–
season 4
chen’s a blatantly chinese name and the whole island looks like a set for a historical cdrama with like 100 concubines trying to fight over who gets control of the harem and who gets to be empress dowager with the next prince in line unless the prince is assassinated by someone anyways you get the point. also why is a chinese underground mafia boss hiring kabuki, which by the way, is a form of japanese theatre. the proper term should be geisha instead of kabuki since they are hostesses and female entertainers for men.
season 5
morro looks more asian than the rest of the cast and the whole lunar ghost festival also mentioned in @garmadonisbackbaby‘s post (i am very sorry for constantly tagging you i just want to credit people properly) also the thing about wu and his huge love for tea is extremely stereotypical plus tea makes you want to urinate faster and with the speed he’s downing his tea he should be rushing to the bathroom every 20 minutes by now.
season 6
nadakhan is already enough of an extremely rude caricature if you look at the origins of the name ‘khan’ and djinns and the character’s accent itself, which all come from arabic culture. i’ll leave it at that since it is not my place to speak about this.
season 7
library of hono mizu. that’s it. hono ‘炎’ means flames and mizu ‘水’ means water. i think that’s enough of a gist to tell what’s going on also this season makes my brain hurt because i study physics and i do not have the patience to overthink waves, optics and all of that through again if i were to rewatch this season. i also believe this is the season also finally changed the title of ‘sensei’ to ‘master’ like thank you
season 8-10
harumi wears to what looks a lot like a hanfu, which is traditional chinese clothes prior to the manchu’s power over the people in the qing dynasty. haven’t watched anything past season 10 but i have seen pictures of vania and she looks like she is also wearing a hanfu.
the makeup on harumi’s face looks more like geisha makeup but i think? they were going for traditional chinese makeup used by royalty? but harumi is a very japanese name???
anyways thats about it for the second half i’m too tired to go back and open a third can of worms for this. i probably sounded over analytical but :’)
Thanks for the tag haha. About Harumi’s royal garb - as far as I can trace, it seems to resemble some form of diyi from somewhere around the Zhou dynasty era up to the Han Dynasty. I cannot comment much because I’m slightly out of touch with Ancient Chinese history. However, the geisha-esque make up is definitely out of place here - while there was emphasis on pale unblemished skin, the Chinese rarely, if ever did perfectly white skin because the rice powders simply didn’t adhere well enough to be able to achieve full coverage. In addition, while lips were defined with lipstick, it was never a full-on thing, because you usually would only paint the middle to give the impression of small cherry-like lips. The eye makeup was more subtle as far as I can tell, save the eyebrows which are defined with a hint of softness from the off-black coloring. Harumi has a whole look going on, but that’s not the right look. Also I would theoretically brush off Harumi’s name being Japanese as a thing about her pre-adoption heritage, but Ninjago has mixed up Chinese and Japanese culture often enough to tell me that’s just a poor design choice
The comments of architecture of the Monastery of Spinjitzu and Garmadon’s Monastery is very well referenced here.
One thing of distinction is that you can clearly tell that Nya’s original dress was INTENDED to resemble a qipao rather than the Vietnamese Ao Dai - Qipao have a distinctive use of frog closures while Ao Dai will more commonly see press studs for closure. Traditional Ao Dai also feature long sleeves, while Nya’s red dress is clearly sleeveless. While you can argue that Nya has pants on, it’s likely a design choice to make printing leg decals easier for her minifigure - usually LEGO minifigure decals are printed on a solid base color with minimal large portions of a secondary color.
when i saw harumi’s makeup, i thought of heian period or sengoku period make up inspired for her but the geisha like make up was more probable than the former two? her hairstyle is also something i can talk about but given the fact that this is lego i think i should cut some sla– wait a minute the geishas in chen had workable hairstyles to suit ninjago’s royal family sighs
also imo nya would’ve looked way more better wearing wushu clothes instead of a qipao out of convenience for battle and she would’ve looked way cooler imo but lego physics i guess-
i forgot to mention the royal palace in my previous reblog but the interior of the palace looks very chinese since japanese interiors are mostly purely made out of wood and fairly more simplistic than chinese royal interior design, especially with the reds everywhere but the usage of the moat and the one road leading to the entrance of the palace is inaccurate since a moat is used for defensive purposes and not for shops to litter around since it would just cause inconvenience. the training grounds should also be way more bigger than the one shown in the show but ninjago’s military is probably the ninja since we never got to see the imperial army of the family in any way during the first few episodes where the palace was still standing
just wished we got to see the characters in more accurately drawn and animated kimono garbs then the gis they wear that they all kimonos but alas
hi, I just want to say that I super appreciate all these additions! the original post was sort of a vent after talking with my chinese friend about how few ppl in the ninjago fandom acknowledge the racism, and my explanation didn’t rly go indepth bc I am not super educated on japanese or chinese culture. these additions are great, and I’ve learned a lot. thank you!
seriously?
We already know there is an issues in ninjago
and please stop being rude.Hanfu is a newly coined word.NOT A TRADITIONAL.Chinese traditional is cheongsam.
not a hanfu it is Hanbok,traditional korean costume which is the symbol of democratization.
I don't think there's much right in Ninjago.
I'm talking as a Korean, as an Asian living in Asia.
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