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i come across a lot of people who claim to be "obsessed with mormonism" (or, heaven forbid, claim to have a 'special interest' or 'hyperfixation' about Mormons) and about 1% of these people actually have genuine interests in the religion and history and theology, but the other 99% just watch a lot of secret lives and alyssa grenfell and the book of mormon musical, and actually don't even know what scriptures we use or what we believe in (and yet still claim to know more than i do about "the Truth about Joseph Smith") which i think speaks to just how often people hyperbolize their interests and knowledge in something
and i know that when i say this, i just sound like an old man complaining about 'posers' and 'larpers'. but what separates someone who pretends to know everything about Mormonism from someone who does so with something else is this: an interest in Mormonism is almost exclusively an interest in mocking, criticizing, and alienating Mormons. it's rarely "wow this is such an interesting phenomenon", but mostly "wow these people are so weird and evil". an interest rooted in scorn and hatred is not an interest. it's simply a way for them to feel superior
It's an example of cultural appropriation, where someone is enamored with a group's culture or aesthetics and embraces it but rejects the actual people themselves.
Book of Mormon musical fans are some of the worst offenders because they fetishize our missionaries (TEENAGE VOLUNTEERS), but would never dream of setting foot in a sacrament meeting, and that's if they even believe we're real.
But nooooooo, you can't cultural appropriate Mormons because they're too white and Christian, nevermind that historically both of those groups have rejected us, with mainstream Christians still calling us heretics and heathens in the big '26. Nevermind that that view erases the contributions and struggles of people like Jane Manning James, Elijah Abel, and the Genesis Group, to name a few.
But please, by all means, keep drawing your shitty fan art of my friends and family. You are, of course, the expert here because you *checks note* super love the pretend gay Mormons you saw on stage once. That surely gives you greater knowledge than the actual real life queer Mormond of the world.
And then theses people are so consistently rude and dismissive, treating me like im an idiot because I didnât do things that meet their standards and rebellion (which is presumably yelling âI HATE MORMONS I HATE MORMONSâ with my ears plugged every time I ever a church and to have been doing this since I was a small child) they fail to come at me and my experiences with any amount of nuance or empathy, rather they always react to me like âoh my gooooooood, I canât believe I found one in real life. Wait you guys exist outside Utah and/or the USA? oh my god thatâs sooooooooo scary, so like they could be anywhere?â
listen, I donât think anyone who finds Mormons interesting is bad or wrong, but when Iâm forty minutes into a rant from a Swedish atheist who has never been to a church (let alone a temple) condescendingly âexplainingâ why actually I donât know what Mormonism is im going to get pissed
Rant incoming: You know what's serendipitous about me seeing this? It came right after someone I follow suddenly decided to post some negative thing tangentially related to mormons, and of course several people in the notes had to make that the main spotlight. Love that.
I seldom post stuff related to my religion for two reasons: 1. I don't want to be perceived as proselyting, because that's not my intention, and 2. when you post something like that publicly, you open yourself up possibly receiving tons of hate. The latter has increasingly reinforced #1 over the years.
People have always perceived us as some kind of "weird" or "other." There has always been misinformation out there, people who profit off of that misinformation, or people who think they know more than they actually do. That isn't new. But shows like Secret Lives, and social media have basically magnified all that into a morbid, parasocial obsession that's, quite frankly, yet another example of peak internet brain rot.
Talking to these people, you would think that our entire history can be summed up by "con man, polygamy, child brides, and racism" and that our culture is just "mind control, creepy old white dudes, tradwives, soaking and dirty sodas."
Let me tell you, as someone who grew up well before the internet blew up into what it is now (who's lived across the US, known members from around the world, gone through periods of inactivity, multiple faith crises, and has in fact done plenty of her own research pre-2013 gospel topics essays) I cannot begin to describe how exhausting it is to interact with people who think like this. Even if you try to correct them on something that's just objectively factually incorrect, oh no no no no, that doesn't matter. You can't be trusted because you're still brainwashed. Nothing you say, do, or think is born out of genuine belief, lived experience, or critical thought. No, apparently, they know better than you, and think they can pathologize almost anything you do because they're more enlightened than you for... I don't know... listening to some true-crime style podcast on cults, watching Alyssa Grenfell or whatever's on Hulu these days, reading anonymous horror stories from reddit, looking at 19th century tabloids about how awful the mormons were, etc, accepting all of that at face value, and then calling it "research."
Never mind how sensationalized and exploitative the true crime media ecosystem is, even just generally. Never mind that in literally no other topic would "reading stuff on reddit" be considered objective research. Never mind that the whole concept of "brainwashing" itself is pseudoscience that's long since been debunked. Never mind that the word "cult" has become so loaded with prejudice, that there is a reason why you don't see a lot of "cult studies" in the primary scientific literature, and that the sort of rhetoric you see spread by self-proclaimed "cult experts" has its roots in a white-evangelical moral panic from the 1970s. Yes, even Steven Hassan who came up with the BITE model (which is not even peer reviewed btw) got his start in abusive deprogramming methods that were born from that era. Yes, even Alyssa Grenfell will unknowingly (or knowingly, honestly sometimes it's hard to tell with her) regurgitate talking points from that era too.
They don't bother to try and deconstruct any of that, but then have the audacity to try and lecture me about how I'm stupid for not deconstructing... which, in this context, can basically be translated into "Your perspective on your own mormon upbringing, aka your own lived experience, is only valid insofar as you stop being mormon."
And this isn't even getting into the quiet racism this crowd exhibits too. Seriously, they'll go on and on about how racist mormons are, but let me tell you... the volume of nasty, patronizing white-savior comments I see coming from these same people whenever they find a POC Latter-day Saint on social media is astounding. Again, talking to these "experts" who've allegedly done tons of research on us, you'd think all mormons were white until recently, and that's just not true. Even with the priesthood/temple ban (which yes, I agree, is a horrible stain on our history that should never have happened), there have always been people of color within our church. Pretending like they weren't there and/or minimizing their voices, or acting like they can't make their own informed choices about what religion they want to identify with is literally a form of erasure, stop it!!!
I'm tired. I'm tired of people acting that is normal, acceptable public discourse, because it isn't. Which is not to say that you have to like mormonism, let alone convert. But you know what... there's a lot of things that I do not like about aspects of other religions or atheism as well. Every religion has skeletons in its closet. And yet, I would never treat any of them the way these hyper fixated pseudo-experts have treated me or my community. You know why? Because it fucking sucks, and it's not okay. Lastly, to anyone who might come along to say "But you're a cult!" .... Here's a radical thought, treating people like shit because *you* think they're weird and stupid is not the flex you think it is. Grow up.
It's cheesy and cliche but I actually love that the church preaches of joy so much.
Everything we do is centered on God and God is a god of joy. We are not created to be sad and miserable and guilty. We are not only permitted to be happy and celebrate and love but it is what we are meant to do. This life isn't a punishment, it's a blessing. The plan of salvation is the plan of ultimate happiness. It's not a plan of eternal punishments or rewards, it's a plan of everlasting joy for everyone. Adam fell that men might be and men are the they might have joy. That is why we are here. God wants us to be happy, in this life and the next.
Ok, the full post is genuinely wholesome
But, couldn't you have found literally any other hook
I am mysteriously compelled to once again point out that the word of wisdom does not, in fact, prohibit cannibalism.
another church voice line people have pointed out I say very often, which I've found always gets neat reactions of endeared approval
We are not God's experiment fruit flies or terrarium ant colony. He doesn't just observe us and do little studies before burning some of us with a lense when He feels like it. He's our Father and cares like a parent should care. He knows how many hairs are on Your head, and every single one of Your fears. He wants the best for You, and all He needs is You to do Your best in return. After all, we can't do any more than our best, and it will always be good enough for God.
This is something I'm so emotional VERY NORMAL about, it does NOT bring me close to tears to talk about how personal God is with us.