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its like having a lore channel focused on dragon age on tumblr <3 <3
<3 <3 <3
i don’t have the constitution to make videos but thank god i have honed enough posting skill that people will read block paragraphs of history newsletter
old enough to remember when it was zevsurana academics, so happy to see history with harker
zevsurana academics... that was just me trying to corral my longer posts so i could find them later but i stopped doing it because i was like wait do i actually want other people to be able to go through all my out of date essays jsgshsjsks
oh also i think it’s mildly interesting that not only is there an island called alamar just off the coast of ferelden but there’s also a place called alam on the southern tip of seheron. since humans theoretically came from par vollen it’s very possible to me that the alamarri could have at one point been from alam in seheron. but they could also be totally unrelated to that one
it’s very on brand for human beings to me if someone came down the amaranthine coast to the island of alamar, asked what everyone was called there, and came to the conclusion that literally everyone east of the frostbacks is “alamarri”. sort of a classic blunder
“The Alamarri crossed the Frostback Mountains to escape a beast they called the shadow goddess in their stories. I met the spirit that they fled. She walks the Fade along the southern tundra, weeping, lonely, and forgotten. Great Ferelden formed because a lonely spirit drove her prey away.” solas for once in your life you have to fucking elaborate
when humans arrived in thedas, they didn't come in one cultural group but as a variety of tribes. it's going to take a long post but let's try to just talk our way through them here
the dragon-worshipping neromenians settled on the coast of the nocen sea, the heart of modern day tevinter. in abt 1700 ancient they would split into four distinct kingdoms: neromenian, tevinter (seems to have been based in minrathous), qarinus, and barindur. less than a hundred years later, barindur would disappear under mysterious circumstances. yeah, the whole place. the story goes that barindur was a wondrous city containing fountains that granted eternal youth, but one day the high priest of dumat asked his god that the high king of barindur be punished for a slight, and dumat eradicated the entire city, turning it into a plain of barren rock overnight. solas talks about the lost city of barindur as if it were actually destroyed by a volcanic eruption, implying the above is merely a mythical explanation for a natural disaster
the west and centre of thedas was settled by tribes including the ciriane, the inghirsh, and the planasene. "ciriane" is a broad, loosely defined category for people who lived prosperously in the fertile lands we now recognise as central orlais. (we're told that ciriane culture has 'mostly disappeared', but also that they're the primary ancestors of modern orlesians, so my assumption is that the founding of orlais involved efforts to sort of consolidate them and stamp out diversity of culture as well as whatever their pre-chantry religious practices were.)
the inghirsh lived further north within modern orlais. they seem to have been nomadic and to have ultimately been on the losing end of multiple conflicts with the neromenians, with those that survived either taken into slavery or absorbed into the ciriane and planasene. (there's an account in the chant of light that the neromenians turned away from the maker and towards the old gods, under the orders of a king antoridus and on the advice of our old pal thalsian, specifically in order to gain victory over the inghirsh.)
the planasene were an agricultural people, settled in modern day nevarra and the free marches, with "a surprisingly long written history and a strong culture of animist worship", an insane thing to throw into world of thedas and then never elaborate on. where is the written history. i want it. anyway the aforementioned chant of light story goes on to say that having defeated the inghirsh, king antoridus of neromenian set his sights on the planasene. in desperation, the planasene's leader, king damertes, turned to "pagan soothsayers" looking for a demon as strong as neromenian's new old god. they found one, a demon with she/her pronouns who would turn the tide in exchange for damertes and his people forsaking the maker. they did so, and the neromenians were struck by some kind of plague of boils and forced to turn back.
(in regard to this story from the chant of light: well, it doesn't quite make sense, does it, because we were told the neromenians didn't worship the maker in the first place, they were always into some kind of dragons. but maybe the planasene could have? on top of the "animist worship"? when i get to andraste i'll try to find some hard information on whether worship of the maker even predates her because i've often been confused by that, but clearly at least the chantry is claiming it did.)
on the topic of andraste: the alamarri were a loose coalition of tribes that settled in modern day ferelden. theoretically they arrived there in 2415 ancient, some 800 years after the neromenians first settled in the north. according to their legends, they needed to find a new home because they were fleeing from a "shadow goddess". scholars claim this was probably a natural disaster. solas, because he is solas, claims to have actually met this spirit and that she still exists and really did all that. it's claimed that it was in about 1815 ancient that the avvar broke away from the alamarri and in 1415 ancient that the chasind broke away. why they all only did things in the fifteenth year of a century i simply cannot tell you.
it’s possible that tyrdda bright-axe was the one in 1815 to lead the avvar away and in so doing found them and this is the story described in her hinterlands saga, because she is theoretically the founder of the avvar, but there’s a lot i find iffy about that. like, if the avvar were only “founded” when tyrdda brought her clan away into the frostbacks, then why are there avvar fortresses on lake calenhad and as far east as amaranthine, suggesting the avvar existed as a major power throughout ferelden? and how was she around in 1815 ancient when she’s supposedly also the mother of morrighan’nan who was around in the 300s ancient? and why are the avvar only being “founded” when they leave if they are already their own one of what is clearly described as a coalition of tribes? and what about how world of thedas says it was actually calenhad’s united ferelden that pushed the avvar into the frostbacks? possibly the avvar moved west with tyrdda and then in later better times spread eastwards again, to be forced back much later by calenhad. and there were multiple women named morrighan’nan or the legends were simply tied together incorrectly by later storytellers
we don’t know as much about the human tribes in this era within other parts of thedas, such as rivain, the anderfels, and antiva. there’s some mention of the “orth” people as an existing anderfels culture in the tabletop rpg, with “orthland” having been the original name for the anderfels in early development, so you could make an argument for them as at least one group, but there’s nothing hard canon about that at all that i can find
we're given a specific date (2850 ancient) for when elves first noticed the "quickening" and began to try to avoid humans to prevent it. this is supposedly about 250 years after the first humans settled on mainland thedas, and about 50 years before the old gods began whispering to the "Dreamers" of the neromenian tribes, teaching them magic and making them powerful priest-kings of their people
i already said i'm not going to get into ancient elf lore because this is not my field, so i’m just, sort of, gesturing at the creation of the veil implications so we have a sense of time. that happened around then, theoretically. or a little before and this was when the impact was felt? the dalish seem to believe fen’harel locked away the other gods before humans showed up... ANYWAY i’m not talking about it.
the first of the dreamers is believed to be a specific guy called thalsian, who theoretically encountered the old god dumat in the fade and learned blood magic from him. apparently, the neromenian tribes had already worshipped dragons (they “had worshipped fallen heroes reborn as dragons”, which sounds SO interesting) but as the dreamers came to power—and there’s some accounts that they were the first humans to ever learn magic at all, not just blood magic? i’m not quite clear on that, but if true, you can imagine the kind of power they might have held—the neromenians came around to worshipping their 7 old gods specifically
WAIT. the previous paragraph was all incorrect jsgsjsks. BEAR WITH ME. okay bafflingly, even though thalsian is described as the first dreamer, he’s also supposed to have been around learning blood magic from dumat way, way later, like over a thousand years later from the date we’re now talking about which is described as when the first dreamers, plural, learned magic in general. we should not be talking about him yet at all. Mystifying. Why’d They Call Him That Then.
okay okay so let’s work this one out. thalsian in ~1595 learns blood magic from dumat and converts the neromenians to worshipping the old gods. but we’re also told that way back in ~2800, the old gods taught the neromenian dreamers magic. which is, uh, as far as i can tell before anyone had heard of or was worshipping the old gods. my initial guess for how we’re stapling this together is that this was the retroactive spin on what happened, from thalsian or generally from a post-thalsian, old god worshipping society. more realistically, if the neromenians did learn magic as a whole from anyone it was probably from, like, the elves, right? and then they later Didn’t Want To Talk About That for obvious reasons. so don’t worry it was the old gods guiding us all along 🙏 or maybe it was other spirits instead of elves or whoever but suffice it to say that this is the faith of the old gods snatching the credit later on.
so we’re not worshipping the old gods “yet” at all, thalsian can wait his turn. the neromenians are still for centuries yet going to have this “fallen heroes reborn as dragons” faith. and this is while arlathan still exists next door and more human tribes are moving south. fascinating time period!!
humans are believed to have arrived in thedas in about -3100 ancient, which i believeee is just under 4000 years ago from our “modern” thedas. elves and dwarves had already been there for thousands of years by this point and humans were very much the last ones to the party
we know that the dalish believe that humans—or at least the first humans—came from par vollen in the north. there’s no information on if they originated in par vollen (which is an island chain. that’s crazy. for some reason i totally thought it was just the edge of a northern continent) or if they came from anywhere before that. we’re told par vollen was home to an ancient human civilisation before the qunari ever arrived there, people who built pyramids and “vast cities”. the humans of par vollen are so disregarded now by the andrastian world that it’s interesting to think of them as probably the first defining human culture that the elves and dwarves of thedas glimpsed across the sea
i’m inclined to take the dalish elves’ word for it that the first human settlers in thedas were from there, as starting from the north does seem to geographically make sense, since the first humans settled in the tevinter region, along the coast of the nocen sea. these were a particular tribe called the “neromenians”
here’s a map for reference. the nocen sea and its coast is the dip directly south of seheron. it’s interesting to consider why the neromenians didn’t settle in seheron or rivain instead. it’s possible that a) the elves lived in those places so close to arlathan and fended off human settlement, b) the human civilisation in par vollen had colonies in those places and the neromenians were notable for being the first to fully break off, or c) it’s just tevinter-centric later history that leads us to believe the neromenians are “first” while the histories of seheron and rivain are ignored
i have been thinking for a long time about how i would love to do some kind of event or like project on here where i study up through thedas history and make posts as i’m going so we can all Experience The Journey together (attendance is mandatory and i will make it your dashboard’s problem) but i don’t really know how to formulate/order that. like go age by age... or region by region...? maybe just start from the beginning and do whatever seems natural
when i say “from the beginning” i mean i’ll probably mostly skip arlathan and the inquisition-veilguard ancient elf lore bc i’m simply not getting into all that. so we’ll probably have a bit of a human-centric lens to begin with, starting with them arriving in thedas and moving from there
also this would be less me posting authoritative primers on the facts and more me wanting to discuss while i’m still figuring things out myself, live on ur dash, so, very open to people chiming in whether it’s corrections or questions
i have been thinking for a long time about how i would love to do some kind of event or like project on here where i study up through thedas history and make posts as i’m going so we can all Experience The Journey together (attendance is mandatory and i will make it your dashboard’s problem) but i don’t really know how to formulate/order that. like go age by age... or region by region...? maybe just start from the beginning and do whatever seems natural
it’s hysterical to me that if you ask irving to sign your form for the rod of fire he tells you exactly everything that is going to go wrong with jowan’s plan and how you can get around it, but he also says that you should make sure to sound like you’re just naturally coming up with the idea to try the other route through the basement, which is what you would actually do if irving hadn’t told you that. so you get the exact same dialogue options but you’re just meant to read them as if the warden is Acting Natural and making irving proud. “that door over there! maybe it leads all the way around to a weak wall we could break through with the help of some kind of artefact! wouldn’t that be crazy oh well i guess there’s no choice but to try!”
these two being right next to each other gets me every time
the way that even if u are the most easily possessable mage in the world mouse only gives u some advice and does not possess u is honestly very charming. it’s like he was just trying to give you a scare so you would stop being like this
mouse: [in his best angry demon voice] the REAL DANGERS of the fade are PRECONCEPTIONS. CARELESS TRUST. PRIDE. which you have to REMEMBER FOR THE FUTURE. i’m saying this because i’m a scary demon okay. are you scared. are you taking notes.
warden: ... so you don’t want a lift home?
mouse: no hope for you at all.
the way that even if u are the most easily possessable mage in the world mouse only gives u some advice and does not possess u is honestly very charming. it’s like he was just trying to give you a scare so you would stop being like this
it’s kind of annoying u have to get help from sloth before being able to finish the harrowing because like what if i want to roleplay a mage who would not straight up and pretty insistently ask a demon for help. that seems like a basic option i should have. it’s kind of limiting. but also the implication that you simply could not pass this harrowing if you hadn’t done that IS really good
every time i learn something new. if u play the mage origin and walk back to the start of the harrowing once u have talked to valor and sloth there’s a bunch of extra wisps to fight and it will push you up to level 2 before u even leave the fade
oh my god i didnt notice i hit 1000 hours playtime on dao
only noticed this because i was opening dragon age origins again.