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Betty Gilpin as Sarah Westcott Warren
"Our History" | Widow's Bay 1x06
Betty Gilpin is one of THE actresses of all time.
She was so good!!
Don’t get me wrong, I love Jensen, but that really should be a picture of Justin.
Christ, yes. WTAF?
Wait its talking about Justin????? Not Jensen???
I really hope Jensen is livid that they did this
Definitely should be Justin here
It's Collider. And I'm absolutely certain they only did it for clicks since Jensen has a very vocal online fanbase and Justin's fans aren't as....let's say passionate.
Agreed. That’s also really shady to Justin.
Good question, sweets.
JOSHUA: God saved you already. He put you on that plane. He brought back Castiel. He granted you salvation in heaven (he turns to face Sam directly) and after everything you’ve done too.
This is from 5.16 so we know for sure Sam did not go to Heaven and the place he died was a town so haunted that every resident had fled, so it was packed with supernatural activity, I think his soul was stuck in the veil there.
If he did go to Hell, some demon at some point was going to brag about it 100%. And the focal point of his arc of becoming a fully operational dark force as Kripke put it back in the day was that he got corrupted without setting foot in Hell, so the veil makes the most sense.
Thanks!
I’m at the tail end of S3 at this point, so I’m going to pay close attention to Sam’s small changes going forward because even Dean noticed and talked to Bobby about it.
"I’m still wondering where Sam went when he died before Dean brought him back."
My guess is the Veil because Azazel wouldn't have permitted his prized champion to go to Hell and we know from Dark Side of the Moon that Sam made it to Heaven only because Chuck allowed it.
Oh, I hadn’t considered that. Thanks, nonnie!
Don’t get me wrong, I love Jensen, but that really should be a picture of Justin.
Christ, yes. WTAF?
Wait its talking about Justin????? Not Jensen???
I really hope Jensen is livid that they did this
Definitely should be Justin here
Justin Hartley’s name is in the caption.
Regarding the episode switch: "Jus in Bello" was originally meant to be episode 11, followed by "Mystery Spot." When the strike made the future uncertain, Kripke flipped the order so the show could end the strike-shortened season run on a high note. Personally, I love this change. The continuity works beautifully: seeing Dean die countless times in "Mystery Spot" leaves Sam hardened and callous. This directly feeds into his darker mindset in "Jus in Bello," where he focuses entirely on the big picture and is willing to sacrifice Nancy Fitzgerald to save the group.
Goodness gracious me, I didn't know that. Yeah, not even gonna comment on what the original order implies for Sam's character, damn. Something, something, "No. It wasn't the blood. It was you... and your choices. I just gave you the options, and you chose the right path every time. You didn't need the feather to fly, you had it in you the whole time, Dumbo." Yeah...
The episodes switches I do know of are: Hookman was supposed to be the 3rd episode of season one, and Monster Movie was supposed to be the 3rd episode of season 4. And while it would have been funny to watch Sam being a hypocrite and have a thing with the preacher's daughter a week or so after his girlfriend died and after accusing Dean of "cruising for a hook up" in the previous episode, the season 4 change is super(naturally) jarring.
You have Dean's very traumatic time travel only for him to return and learn that the brother he sacrificed life and soul for has been lying to him from the moment he returned. And the way Sam and Ruby lie the moment she opens the door the find Dean and Bobby there is another level of evil and insidious. This for me was the moment I started hating Sam. Yeah, it had nothing to do with Cas or Destiel and everything to do with Sam. If my loved one came back from the dead, lying and deceiving them would not even cross my mind, and I think this is the way most people would feel.
But because of the switch the next episode everything is fine and Dean and Sam are at a fest and Dean is hopeful because he feels he has a mission from God, it's just feels so out of place.
And the way Sam and Ruby lie the moment she opens the door the find Dean and Bobby there
This always frustrated me because the last demon they got help from [1st Ruby] was taken over by Lilith. Then Sam turns right around and trusts Ruby again. How can he know she won’t be taken over by Lilith again to manipulate the situation? If he didn’t think it was wrong, he wouldn’t have been hiding it. I agree, his dark side was already seeping through.
Sidebar: I’m still wondering where Sam went when he died before Dean brought him back.
https://www.tumblr.com/occult-castiel/823242654763663360/probably-been-said-before-but-they-probably-got?source=share
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https://x.com/i/status/2081857070794756321
The perfect meme for Jared fans.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Jensen, but that really should be a picture of Justin.
Christ, yes. WTAF?
Seriously tho
Don’t get me wrong, I love Jensen, but that really should be a picture of Justin.
Ok, just so I have it straight - when the character of Ruby (Katie Cassidy) was initially introduced and she tells Dean that she needed his help to get Sam ready to fight on his own, she was already setting the plan in motion to have Sam release Lucifer since Dean was on his way to hell and breaking the first seal, right? I’m guessing the seal breaking wasn’t a certainty, but hell was banking on it?
I love the backstory of this era, so I hope you don't mind if I chime in even if that isn't what prompted your supposition.
In-universe, it certainly looked that way. However, in real life, Eric Kripke had to be pragmatic. While the oft-repeated story about his five-season mythic arc is true, that target sat on the more optimistic end of the spectrum. Initially, he had to dial down his expectations and adjust as the show went along. He originally targeted a three-year arc, which was the industry norm back then; Jeremy Carver was later quoted as having the same target.
Wikipedia and The Futon Critic
Meanwhile, Sera Gamble operated on a two-year plan based on her contract. Andrew Dabb was the lucky one who didn't have to worry about cancellation. By Season 9, CW President Mark Pedowitz stated that Supernatural was virtually guaranteed a renewal as long as viewership stayed steady—and it did, consistently remaining in the network's top three.
From my understanding of the TV industry, when a new season premieres, a show typically has 12 or 13 episodes pitched to the studio, fully plotted, and ready to be filmed as production kicks off. If the network gives a "full-season order," the back half of the episodes goes through the same approval process later on. For Season 3, the 2007–2008 writers' strike disrupted that back-half order. They only had up to episode 12 locked in, which was originally supposed to be "Mystery Spot" before the episode order was switched (more on this below). "Ghostfacers," meanwhile, was written after the strike ended.
When the strike hit, Kripke pivoted. In my opinion, the tentpoles of the story stayed the same, but the pacing of the myth arc was stretched and padded. The core concept of Sam going dark to save Dean was always there, except the original plan was to save Dean before he went to Hell. Because Dean wasn't dragged downstairs in the original draft, the concept of breaking the 66 seals didn't exist yet. The strike robbed them of the narrative momentum needed to show Sam successfully saving his brother, so Kripke abandoned that route and let Dean go to Hell.
Collider
This pivot directly birthed Season 4's angel mythology and the Michael vs. Lucifer conflict. While Sam being Lucifer's vessel was always part of the master plan, the original endgame was simply brother vs. brother, with Dean forced to hunt down and kill a corrupted Sam.
Regarding the episode switch: "Jus in Bello" was originally meant to be episode 11, followed by "Mystery Spot." When the strike made the future uncertain, Kripke flipped the order so the show could end the strike-shortened season run on a high note. Personally, I love this change. The continuity works beautifully: seeing Dean die countless times in "Mystery Spot" leaves Sam hardened and callous. This directly feeds into his darker mindset in "Jus in Bello," where he focuses entirely on the big picture and is willing to sacrifice Nancy Fitzgerald to save the group.
tldr; So, to answer your question and hypothesis: yes, Ruby always intended to help Sam, but her goal was to lure him to the dark side so he could become Lucifer's vessel based on the first 12 episodes. The complex plotline of breaking the seals was simply added to the narrative later—briefly teased when Dean went to hell in the season finale. Ultimately, this works retroactively as both angels and demons wait with bated breath and with excitement for Dean to break the first seal in hell.
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P/S: On your rewatch, pay attention to episode 3.05 Bedtime Stories and 3.09 Malleus Maleficarum. Tammy, the demon witch, said the demon gunning for Sam was a "he." Eric retconned and changed the new leader to Lilith in 3.12 Jus in Bello, quoted in the above Collider article: "We just knew that there was a higher demon. And then, we decided to make her a woman because the first demon was a man. So, these things evolved."
In 3.09, Tammy said, "There's a new leader rising in the west, and he wants you dead."
Also in 3.05, the crossroad demon said to Sam, "I'm just a saleswoman. I got a boss like everybody... he holds the contract."
So, to answer your question and hypothesis: yes, Ruby always intended to help Sam, but her goal was to lure him to the dark side so he could become Lucifer's vessel based on the first 12 episodes.
Ok, so the plan all along while she pretended to solely help him to help Dean, was as she explained; to make Sam stronger for the coming war w/o Dean, but the unspoken truth was to make him stronger for Lucifer.
I’m on S3x11 “Mystery Spot” of my rewatch and Dean being taken out by falling in the shower, fighting over the ax with Sam, and the golden retriever are the ones that always crack me up 🤣
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One of my anons shared this video with me the other day, but it was from one of those nasty Jaytwo accounts so I wasn’t sharing it. But this is it.
Jensen was taping SPN intros or whatever they’re called
But why does he look so hot in that suit?
Right?!
“functionally suicidal character saying “I would die for you” to their significant other and its like. I get the sentiment, honey, but if a hot dog vendor told me he’d sell hot dogs for me, I wouldn’t feel very moved now would I” => so this post made its way to my dash and it got me thinking, obviously sam is not dean’s SO, but sam stans/w*ncest shippers are always waxing poetic about dean selling his soul because he cares about sam above all others. but does he really? dean sold his soul after a whole season of balancing on the razor blade of depression and struggling with survivor’s guilt the size of the moon. him selling his soul after a year of being actively suicidal means nothing in this situation. and is it really a choice or is it a chore, like getting dressed in the morning?
Dean and Sam’s life are basically a daily dose of living on the edge of death at any given moment. Something that dramatic of selling a soul for a family member isn’t like normal family choices. So, I wouldn’t measure it against regular familial sacrifices. Parents sacrifice for their children all the time and Dean is Sam’s parental figure. There’s no romanticism there.