#08x21

[slowburningechoes]

Robert Sean Leonard as “James Wilson” in House, M.D. | 08x21: “Holding On”

(also, this is my first ever decent quality gifset! more to come!)

[callistosam]

just say you want to spend more time with sam

[floral-cas]

Cas drinking coffee + camellias ⤷ camellias symbolize perfection

[tony-x-ziva-is-tiva]

[autisticandroids]

wait. dean would hate this so bad but im actually obsessed with a cult forming around godstiel on earth with dean as the no.1 idol of worship and dean has just gotten used to the idea that random people he’s never met are calling him the new virgin mary then he gets to purgatory and the monsters there have formed their OWN new religion around dean as the new eve

omg

[4x01]

wtf all cas coded cas girls rise

lets GOOOOOOOOOOO!

[clickbaitcas]

id love a dad shaped misha 🪴

[spnorwhatever]

ok that post is getting rlly long i do t want to rb it any more but. i really really like ur point abt cas being the angel of humanity but not in the end bc ive always thought the real tragedy of endverse cas is that he became human before he learned to appreciate humans. he appreciates (appreciated) dean of course, he rebelled for him, but he doesn’t really care about humanity that much. at least not yet vs normal cas becoming human in season 9 can actually handle a little better bc he does get it. yeah idk. also another thought: is it not somewhat true that dean becomes god, when cas believes he is?

oh I do see what you mean about never having a chance to like, really come to appreciate humans, but I personally don’t see that as the main tragedy of endverse Cas, I think it’s that Cas never had a chance to come into his own. Bc like, what is S6 onwards if not a growing up story, a coming of age story, a coming out story. I do think having gone thru S9 Cas came out stronger, but not bc of the function of him becoming human bc I like, have fundamental issues with the way spn handles “humanness” (and the way they conflate it with “humanity”), and also I think s9 was like.. bad and traumatizing, lmao, and then just. dropped threads and then we’re not really supposed to talk about it again lmao 8)

I think S9 loss of grace works because it helps show Cas who he is at his core, without the angelness which up to now has defined his being and purpose, and also shows himself that he has it within himself to survive and adapt and endure even in really terrible circumstances. And also showed him, like, the small everyday kindnesses, which although seemingly small can be/mean everything.

But yeah I think part of the reason endverse is the way he is, is that he never really has his growing up/coming of age that is sort of the whole MWWBK narrative, like metaphorically going to college and experiencing freedom for the first time after being strictly homeschooled lmao. And so he has a certain element of certainty of self missing, too, from his story, because he hasn’t really had time to fully explore/develop that Self. (grasping the straw of my Reclamation of the Divine shit here too, abt how like, in his moment of self-conception, man creates himself like in an existentialism way, tying that to the idea of creation as an act of divinity and therefore in creating himself, man is wielding divinity)

I think an additional tragedy of endverse, though, is that he also lost Dean? I think that’s also an important point here. I’ve said a bunch of stuff about this already somewhere, but like the idea is that like, the threads of Cas loses his faith in God and then recreates his faith in Dean. But then Endverse Cas loses Dean bc Dean loses himself (oh, so we’re torturing again?), and like, Dean who is not Dean is still Dean, so Cas will still follow him to the ends of the earth, but he also in some/many? ways isn’t Dean, as evidenced by 2009 Dean literally juxtaposed with Endverse Dean. Like to my mind, that is what causes Endverse Cas to really fall in the spiritual sense, not losing his powers or the drugs or whatever. Like he will still love Dean no matter what form Dean takes, but Dean also becomes someone he can’t love when he took on the, like, Alastair aspects of himself. actually here is a post, here is some more on that

To your last point: I LOVE that model of apotheosis concept, the uhh “american gods” model for easy reference (I actually. have not read or watched american gods but from what I heard I think it operates under that? the like.. what creates gods is worship/beliefs model?) (sidebar: sometimes I’m like... oh man what if godstiel still has a following out there.. what if one day Cas finds himself a minor god...). In that model, Yes absolutely of course Dean becomes god when Cas believes in him. But like if we’re talking about Endverse Dean (I think that’s what this was referencing, right?) I think the issue is like.. Cas’ faith & loyalty are absolute he will always love him blah blah, however. However when Endverse Dean has ship-of-Theseus’ed himself with Alastair-influenced parts, at what point does he become a new creature? At what point does he become more Alastair’s Heir than Dean Winchester? I do think endverse Dean is *a* god but maybe not *the* god, and that’s why we see him defeated - honestly, incredibly easily, lmao - and like... in a sense of like, maybe endverse Dean and 2009 Dean didn’t fight directly but they DID have a sort of triangulated narrative face-off and ultimately endverse Dean died and 2009 Dean lived. I do think spiritually it’s similar to like Godstiel, but then Death proclaiming I don’t see God I only see a mutated angel. Like, if endverse Dean is a god, then he is a god in the god (Spn, narrative) sense, which QED ergo mutated angel, in the narrative metaphoric sense.