#15x04 meta

[omnishamblegreg]

okay i only just noticed this, but it’s not just the parents in 15x04 who were in a past ep, it’s also billy - he was a kid in Party On Garth (7x18)

ryan and his brother get killed by the ghost-that-you-need-to-be-drunk-to-see. ok so the ghost is brought out by an angry ex-partner in a company, who was angry and wanted to take revenge by taking sthing important from his old partner, i.e. kill his children. because the company was like ‘his baby’.  so it’s just generally about family/loved ones being taken from you?  could be connected to mary being taken from them same with jack  the idea of someone important being stripped away On Purpose by an outside viewer, ehhh just reminds me of chuck’s misery porn way of writing the winchester story, wanting to leave them alone, killing off everyone around them so they only have each other etc etc. manufacturing it. dunno what other links and parallels can be made? (anyone feel free to hop on!!) my brain is kinda mush rn and im too eager for the next ep anyways!!!

[omnishamblegreg]

the destiel is strong (15x09 qotd)

x ok but just the fact!! that this is the quote around the episode time that dean prays to cas?? the confession?? and this reminds me exactly of reading Call Me By Your Name. the ‘moments inside maybes’, i.e. the ‘place of uncertainties’ where possibilities lie in cmbyn there’s this repeated quote by paul celan that elio relates to him and oliver, that their summer is the place ‘between always and never’. where they’re second guessing each other, half hoping what they’re noticing is true. it’s this liminal space where there’s the possibility of transition to lovers. OH MAN and this other quote from the book that really hits home, from elio’s pov:  ‘if you can't say "yes," don't say "no," say "later." Is this why people say "maybe" when they mean "yes," but hope you'll think it's "no" when all they really mean is, Please, just ask me once more, and once more after that?’ the idea of living in that idea of ‘maybe’ sounds kinda unhealthy, i mean, find out and stop pining yknow? do something about it?  or does it mean for dean and cas, make the most of the little limbo moments of affection that they get, that are between being friends, and admitting all their feelings and being lovers. because (and this is the pessimistic outlook), they aren’t ever gonna get a proper relationship. 

or perhaps it means, keep the maybes, don’t make your relationship a never. ask for cas back, pray to him, open up the opportunity for that love again. because after cas left, the door closed. so, dean needs to put them back into that transitional limbo space of possibilities.  @wigglebox​ kinda curious what ideas you have about meanings to get from all this!! also if this makes any sense sjfhsjfashjggjsjg

[verobatto]

Destiel wasn't supposed to happen

Castiel, the rebellious son that changes his Father's plans

Supernatural 15x04 meta. 15x04 spoiler. Destiel meta. Castiel meta.

Hi! Okay I really thought I wouldn't write another meta, but this is important revelation we have here...

Remember I said in my previous meta here Chuck had afraid of CAS? That's why he wasn't writing him?

And this post here my friend @magnificent-winged-beast did... About how Cas could be important saving the day by the end of the show? Okay, I'm gonna prove here why every decision Castiel did, it wasn't supposed to happen from the very beginning... And how this had affected Chuck's favorite show.

Let's start this...

Castiel's wasn't part of the Winchesters's story

This is it. In episode 4x22 Castiel wasn't supposed to rebel and wasn't supposed to help Dean and Cas to stop the Apocalypse...

Gif credit @super-sootica

Look at Chuck face... He's not amused...

So, if Cas wasn't supposed to be with the Winchesters, then it wasn't supposed to Dean and him fell in love with each other. First important fact: DESTIEL WASN'T WRITTEN BY CHUCK. Is part of Castiel's and Dean's decision.

Not just that but each decision Castiel had taken, and this is logic, wasn't written by Chuck, and it always ended up by complicating Chuck's Bro-only storyline.

And this quote here...

Gif credit @hunterize

But... How many choices Castiel's had taken against his Father's will??? Because then... Each one of those choices and decisions... Doesn't supposed to happen...

Let's see...

The first one that introduces Castiel inside the Winchesters's story is the rebellion against Heaven.

But we have more...

He came back to life... But without memories of Sam and Dean

We are agreed all the Godstiel drama was Chuck's bad writing... Oh Lord is easy now to just threw things to one fictional character and not the real writers here 🤣.

But then... We had Emmanuel... Emmanuel had no memories of Dean, or Sam. So, and because he's Cas, the one that born with a crack in his chasis, se could say, it doesn't supposed to remember Dean and Sam. But he did...

So, against Chuck's will I presume, Castiel was back in the game.

He was brainwashed several times to kill Dean, but he didn't

Angel follow orders. God's orders, God's words. So, everything Naomi did, it was written by Chuck.

As we know, Castiel had to kill Dean, but he didn't, so... Again, it wasn't supposed Castiel break the connection with Heaven and disobey. But there's this little thing called Destiel here... That wasn't in Chuck's plan... So... Boom. Another decision against Father's desires and bad writing.

Love love love, Chuck didn't write this for sure.

Gif by my beautiful friend @agusvedder

When Castiel wasn't there, Dean took Cain's mark

Dean was with Crowley, he left that time, and he took Cain's mark, a bad decision, obviously written by Chuck too.

So... Castiel was human and he wasn't supposed to become an angel again, because we know everything Chuck's writes is to keep Cas away from the brothers, but... Our sexy Commander did this...

And he was back in the game!

There's ba huge and blatant parallel between episode 9x18 and this season... Metatron was doing God's job, literally, he was a writer writing a story, just like Chuck, using Cas, Dean and Sam and manipulating them...

Episode 9x18 Meta Fiction starts with Metatron saying these words...

METATRON: What makes a story work? Is it the plot, the characters, the text? The subtext? And who gives a story meaning? Is the writer? Or you?

He pauses before mentioning subtext, which is very interesting knowing subtext is pivotal for Destiel but... Let's jump to another quotes Metatron says in this episode...

METATRON: Tonight, I thought I'd tell you a little story...Let you decide. That was my plan, anyway. I guess that's where my story failed.

(he stops the music and removes CASTIEL's gag. He then pulls back CASTIEL's coat and looks at the torn pocket.)

Yes. This is "The Curious Incident," eh, inspector Gregory?

Remember this? METATRON had written a little story in which Gave was there asking Castie to lead the angel's, but Cas saw his trenchcoat was entire, and he recalled it had a torn pocket, that's how he breaks with that fictional dream or wherever that was. This is very very important because if Metatron in CARVER ERA were mirroring Chuck, and Cas was the one who made Metatron's plans fail he could be the one to make Chuck's ugly end fail now.

CASTIEL: And you did all this to make me a hero?

METATRON [laughing] Ah, that's priceless. Um no. You are not the hero in this mess-terpiece. You are the villain. I'm the hero.

Gosh! Always think about Metatron as if he was Chuck, he doesn't want to CAS to be the hero, he wants to use him, and then he be the hero, or the great writer.

METATRON: Do you know why I didn't kill you after I stole your Grace? I like you. Truly. Among all God's little windup toys, you were the only one with any spunk. I left you human because I was hoping you would live happily ever after, but you screwed that up, too. And now... Uh, you leave me no choice. I mean, if you want to get back on board, fine, but you're gonna have to follow my script.

CASTIEL: Well, based on your assessment, that doesn't sound like me.

Okay, here... You're gonna have to follow my script and Castiel answering THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ME!! SO...

Castiel doesn't follow any script, not Metatron's not Chuck's !!!!!

And that's why Chuck doesn't want him, that's why he's afraid to mention him or write about him!!

DEAN: Why are you doing this?

METATRON: Because I can. Because you and your little brother and your fine, feathered friend and all those secrets you've got locked away in your bunker can't stop me. But I am gonna enjoy watching you try. It's gonna be a hell of a show. I'll see you around, Castiel. Never forget I gave you a chance.

Is the same and exact words Chuck is saying in this season, so I truly believe this episode was written as a guide for the last season. CARVER'S name on that crypt in the first three episode from season 15!!!

Lucifer wasn't suppose to escape from Hell and Jack wasn't suppose to be conceived.

It was Castiel who said YES to Lucifer, freeing him from that cage, and then he possesed the president and conceived Jack with Kelly. Everything because he said YES, so I think is obvious THIS WASN'T WRITTEN BY CHUCK EITHER. Why he would want a powerful Nephilim going around???

So no, he should be destroyed...

All the Metatron gifs were made by my talented friend @agusvedder !!! You should ask her for gifs! She's amazing!

But when Castiel had to kill Kelly and Jack... He decided not to do it.

So Jack showed him a new future in 12x19... A future that surely wasn't written by Chuck. A future that Jack will bring as his replacement (remember I said he was related with the snake in season 14 and with Shiva in this season, you can find the meta here.)

Castiel wasn't supposed to wake up from the Empty

And because Destiel wasn't supposed to exists, I'm pretty sure Chuck wasn't expecting Dean's longing for CAS through Jack's powers wake up Castiel.

So Cas was back with the Winchesters's again, against Chuck's will. AGAIN!!

Pushing Castiel away again

The break up is too good to be real for Chuck, Castiel isn't with the Winchesters now, and he's free to write wherever he wants. A dark ending.

But... Castiel and his decisions and Destiel and Jack ARE TOO REAL AND THEY DON'T FOLLOW CHUCK'S SCRIPT.

And that's why my friends I believe Chuck doesn't write Cas, because he's afraid of his rebellious nature, and that's maybe the key to defeat this chaotic God.

To Conclude

Chuck is afraid of CAS because he always skips the script. He isn't able to write him because Castiel is unpredictable.

There's a lot of my friends like @mrsaquaman187 @magnificent-winged-beast @weirddorkylittlediana who thinks as me, Cas will be very important by the end of the season.

Destiel wasn't supposed to exist, but it does, and everything related to it is real and genuine.

The fact that Jack is a consequence of Castiel's decisions, it would be reasonable to think he wasn't written by Chuck neither, and he plus Cas could be the key to defeat him. Don't forget the connection between Sam and Chuck through the bullet wound.

I hope you like this revelation, see you in the next meta.

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@studio-hatter @proccastinate

Buenos Aires November 8th 2019 17:02 PM

[omnishamblegreg]

lmao all i thought with the way chuck wrote the most dark terrible hopeless ending, is that he is d&d, dumb and dumber. like, direct criticism of writers like that, giving GoT an ending that’s a hopeless husk, making no sense for the characters or plot and is just tragic for the shock factor of it. 

and how spn will hopefully NOT do that as an ending because it’s just shit and not good writing. 

[omnishamblegreg]

maybe, by planting chuck as villain with his dark hopeless ending story, it’s not COMPLETELY gonna be reversed in the real spn ending. maybe it’ll just be bittersweet. some darkness, but still some hope, some happiness. or maybe things will get REALLY low, seem like all is lost, but that doesn’t last. 

maybe there’ll be a sad-ish ending but it makes Sense, and it’s not all completely hopeless, that’s what i’m counting on

[caystiel]

Destiel In 15x04

I didn’t really expect Sam to start question cas’ whereabouts this episode. He probably just assumed that Cas went off on his own to figure stuff out like he usually does. Plus Sam is dealing with a lot himself. As for dean, I think he’s going through that phase in a breakup where you believe you’re “better off without them”, When he’s really not. Dean deliberately avoided mentioning Cas the entire episode, and all of a sudden he's talking about being free. Sounds like someone’s in denial about their heartbreak to me.🤷🏾‍♂️

[verobatto]

Dean putting Sammy's depression over his

Destiel meta. 15x04 Atomic Monsters

Okay my friends, this episode was all about Chuck, but we had slight signs of Dean's sadness, and indirect mirrors that talked about how he was feeling...

And by the end of the episode, we had Sam describing how he was feeling, while Dean was listening... Because that's the way he's feeling right now...

Okay, let's start this..

Dean eating and drinking

Even if we saw Dean eating before, he decided to eat bacon. A lot of it... Like a parallel to 13x05 when CAS was dead..

This time depression is here again, and he doesn't just eat bacon and hot dogs, but he's drinking again. In random moments.

The first scene when he was eating and Sam appeared, he called himself the meat man, and I won't repeat things my friend @agusvedder and I said in this post here, but, I will repeat, it was a moment in which Dean was talking to himself while he was talking to his brother, trying to comfort him, the "everything is gonna be okay" or . "It was Rowena decision", translated to his own recent experience of lost, he's saying here... It was Castiel's decision to go away.

And as I wrote before, Davey is exploring the way Dean is gonna get out from the closet, while calling himself the meat man, and trying to see his brother's reaction to that GIVE IT A SHOT, IS NOT THAT BAD.

Dean's mirrors reflecting Dean's feelings

And because Dean is pushing his feelings down, because Sammy is in bad shape, and he has to be the big brother, he has to be there for Sam, so... No time for his feelings... We had a Dean Mirror talking for him...

The girl with red backpack, was talking by the phone saying her heart had been broken, and saying MY HEART HAD GONE WITH HIM.

Another girl dressed in green (healing!Dean) saying goodbye to her friend and saying she will miss her.

Sammy's sad words... We're Dean's feelings too

When they were on board Baby, Sam was confessing how he was feeling, he felt tired, he remembered Jessica, and he said sometimes he felt he couldn't breath, and he said then maybe tomorrow...

And Dean's face the whole time was... "Yes... I know how you feel..." Like in the beginning, he said to Sam... Bad dreams? I've been there... Is like saying... Yes... I feel the same...

But even if he's trying to push things down... He asks... And if you don't?

Because he wants to know... What if Sam or what if him don't feel better next morning?

"I don't know..." Answers Sammy, and Dean's face again... Priceless...

To Conclude

Dean was eating a lot and drinking, as a reflection bof his depression. He decided to push that down, not to tell Sam how he was feeling, and not to tell Sam Cas was gone, because he put his brother's depression over his, like a good big brother.

We saw Dean's mirrors reflecting his feelings, and also through pieces of dialogues he exchanged with Sam.

I hope you like this meta, there wasn't much to analyze of Destiel here, but there was a lot about Chuck and Toxic Codependency dying, as we will see in my next meta. See you around!

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@proccastinate

Buenos Aires November 7th 2019 11:52 PM

[dimples-of-discontent]

Meta Monsters

I love NOTHING MORE than when this show decides to run commentary on itself and its fandom. I love it so much that I didn’t liveblog the show and am just going to kind of hum contentedly while I do housework and think of this. 

However, it’s worth noting that this episode:

Critiqued the episode (quite fairly) from within the episode, which is one of my favorite tropes of all time. (I always think of the moment in The Sixth Sense where Cole is the hospital telling Dr. Crow that his story isn’t good enough and he needs to add some twists and turns to it to make it better...exactly at the halfway point of the film. GREAT STUFF!!)

Rehabilitated Becky (which, THANK GOD b/c the episode where she kidnaps Sam is just terrible and I never stopped being hurt/offended that the choice between fangirls was Becky or Marie when most of us lead pretty full lives with a lot of other good things in them).

Made the ending that all of us fear, the one with the gravestone that says “Winchester,” into one to be avoided at all costs. That is now literally the dilemma of the rest of the season: will Chuck’s Big Bad Ending come to pass or will the Winchesters be saved? This is great for those of us who don’t want Chuck’s ending.

Did more to develop Chuck into the Big Bad, basically guaranteeing that the miserable fucking ending that he wrote won’t be the real ending of the show even though he’s out here scaring us (Becky) with the prospect of something so painful and unfair.

Established that Chuck CAN do anything he wants (erasing the fans and their spot-on complaints from existence), which means that to avoid the nightmare ending he will have to Learn A Lesson and Change His Mind, which is really much better as a plot arc and piece of character development. (I bet you we’ll see Becky again.)

Showed Dean so deep in denial that he left big gaps where Cas’s name should be at least twice, both times right after mentioning the others--Jack, Mary, Rowena--making him The Big Empty again. In S13 Dean wasn’t mentioning Cas because he was too full of grief. Well...same.

Established that Dean returning to and trying to recapture the Great Winchester Brothers Road Trip where they alone save people and hunt things (just like in the good ole days before...WELL YOU KNOW feelings and shit) is not going to work--not for Sam and not, even if he doesn’t admit it, for Dean. Too much has changed. 

Neatly segued into showing that this desire has changed for the fandom too. Even freaking BECKY doesn’t want that, and she used to write Wincest fanfic (before she realized it was massively unhealthy). The promo for next time is giving us another Winchester Classic, complete with their IDs from the second episode and jokes about how little they’ve changed (thank you, Jensen). Know that we are going to see how insufficient it is now. Maybe we will KEEP seeing that until Sam cracks or Cas comes back or something. But Denial Dean is here to stay, trying to recapture his pre-Cas self, until something forces his hand.

SPN writers, I love you and your layered commentary on narrative, canon, character, and fandom.