#3.3.7

[thesebloodydays]

Can someone explain the “Alfred”-thing to me, because after all these years I still don’t get that part. Is there like a galaxy brain joke/reference/pun that I am missing here, or is the joke just that it is a silly name?

[centrifuge-politics]

Brick Club 3.3.6 - 3.3.7

Oh, this poor boy. I imagine this is how a lot of people raised in conservative households who are now a lot more politically left feel. What this actually reminds me of is stories of how people managed to leave hate groups and change their whole belief system. Marius’s situation is less severe, but Hugo does a surprisingly good job of showing that it takes work and research to break out of this conditioning (and sometimes it still steers you headlong into Bonapartism). Marius is educated, but he realizes there’s clearly still a lot to learn and commits to educating himself from sources he has so far avoided.

And it’s a never-ending process; we see Marius challenged yet again by Combeferre and the more radical Amis. BUT but, I think this is a very good illustration of how people actually end up changing their minds. “He had not known neither one nor the other, and he had had a sort of voluntary night over his eyes.” Take all of this with the caveat that he isn’t really doing this to be a politically informed member of a just society, but to connect with the ideals of his father. This isn’t bad at all, but context is important and we see how it quickly warps his findings.

I’m immensely amused that Marius reaches out, toward Saint-Just, towards Robespierre, oh he’s riiiight there....and just pushes past and grabs Napoleon. I’m sorry, I cannot shake the image of Marius just t-posing in his attic room shouting “Vive l’empereur!”

I’m cackling at this chapter title even though I know it’s slightly more grim than all that. I read this in Gillenormad’s voice saying, “Must be some petticoat!”

Theodule is the epitome of the hot-but-incredibly-stupid trope, I stand by this. He just wants to be named Alfred...he thinks a tryst in a church is spicy...I respect him and his truth. He puts up with an aunt who pinches his cheeks and “only preferred him because she did not see him” because he’s obedient and dutiful to a fault.

“‘...you would not leave your family to go to see such a creature.’

The lancer put on the satisfied grimace of Cartouche praised for his honesty.”

She murdered him! Unsteady, grave Marius has a lass and the handsome lancer Theodule doesn’t, he’s too scrupulous and dutiful, he’s a slave to his orders, certainly not courting material.

On a final serious note, I am very sad for Marius. However, he’s grieving for a concept, something that he hasn’t lost so much as never had. I think this form of grief is what drives him to deify Napoleon; he’s abruptly aware of what he lacked and it’s painful. Marius’s father isn’t real to him, not really. If he had been able to meet his father just once, been given some human figure, I don’t think he’d have this need to make him into an abstract ideal that only exists through war records and political philosophies. 

[kingedmundsroyalmurder]

Brickclub: 3.3.7

Theodule is a riot, I love him. And I’m already feeling sympathetic towards Mlle Gillenormand, so seeing her interact with someone who actually cares about her is so nice. Sure, Theodule is shallow and doing the thing where you go visit your elderly relatives out of duty and because there’s a non-zero chance that you’ll walk out with money, but he also seems to actually like her and enjoy the small doses of her company that he gets. It’s a pitch-perfect depiction of an inter-generational relationship between distant relatives.

We’re going to skip lightly over Hugo being Problems about elderly women, because we’ve talked about this kind of thing before and there’s only so many ways you can yell at him about it. Rest assured that I noticed and am not a fan.

So the power of coincidences strikes again, and Marius and Theodule take the same overnight carriage out of Paris. Theodule, despite his mission, doesn’t actually care what Marius is up to until he actually sees Marius behaving oddly in person. And when he does, he constructs an entire elaborate scenario in his head for what’s going on, which holds right up until he sees the final piece and realizes, oh, it’s not that at all. That final image of Marius sobbing alone over the gravestone is heartbreaking, and clearly not something Theodule has any idea what to do with at all. Theodule is almost certainly the epitome of that gif where the crying person is being stroked with a broom in an attempt at comfort. Feelings don’t really seem like his strong point, and they’re pretty much all Marius has at this point.

(Sidenote: the Mlle Gillenormand/Petunia Dursley parallels are super strong in this one, which I headcanon as being why she’s not a huge fan of Marius. Too much of a reminder of how her sister got everything she wanted, while Mlle Gillenormand herself got none of her dreams. Mlle Gillenormand the younger not only married the man of her dreams and had a child, she got to escape the house, while the elder didn’t marry anyone at all and is stuck with their father all her life. It’s not great to take out your bitterness on a child, but it doesn’t seem like she’s actually Dursley-level abusive towards him or anything. Just bitter and willing to let it out in front of the only relative she actually likes.)

[umeed-e-sehr]

3.3.7

I’m so amused at Theodule’s description. He’s so much meant to be this pretty but vapid character compared to Marius, but like everyone else also mentioned, I too find him more interesting than Hugo intended. I also really like Mademoiselle Gillenormand and Hugo makes fun of her unnecessarily, calling her out to be hypocritical because she appears religious but is also fond of gossip and makes fun of her by saying that she had an idea as if it is a novelty with her. Of course, she is going to be curious about gossip living a very sedentary life without any interesting pursuits and opportunities for an old unmarried woman and has been raised in a home without love herself. Although part of me wishes Hugo had written her better, because I think she could be more than just someone to laugh at. 

But I do like all the snarky fun of this chapter and how Mademoiselle Gillenormand is fond of Theodule because they see each other so rarely, sometimes it’s like that with distant relatives. A big part of me wishes Theodule had been raised with Marius together as kids, so that Marius could grow up less lonely since Theodule does seem to be taking Marius’ side with the aunt.

At any rate Theodule may be shallow and have his own affairs on the side which he does not mention to his aunt, but he really seems to be genuinely fond of her. There is that short dialogue between them that works so well for humour. 

While he does not want to, Theodule accepts Mademoiselle Gillenormand’s request to spy on his cousin. He then promptly falls asleep and is not too much bothered about spying on him. Of course, it is a very Pontmercy thing that the sweetheart ends up turning into a grave- Marius is extremely goth and we end on a note of sadness.

3.3.8

Theodule still with his basic moral decency (more than Gillenormand ever had), pauses and gives his cousin some space in his moment of grief. As a lancer he has respect for the colonel and I still think it would have been so much better if the two children had been allowed to grow up together and learn from each other. He also hides Marius’ secret from the aunt and his great uncle.

Gillenormand who was going to question Marius instead spies on him and takes the letter from his room so he could have the answer to the gossip of where Marius is going to, instead of any genuine love or concern for him. He then confronts Marius about the title and very unfeelingly tells him his father was not worth knowing and calls him a traitor and coward. 

Marius does not know how to respond to him because he still respects his grandfather but hearing his father be insulted is too much and not knowing how to insult his grandfather he takes a different route.  

Obviously the ‘Down with Louis XVIII’ is hilarious as Marius is still out of touch with politics but the line has its effect. 

But honestly Gillenormand throwing Marius out over such a small thing is so annoying because he respects the nobility, who probably don’t care about him much, more than his own grandson or his daughter.  

I really am glad that Marius is out of that house although poor Mademoiselle Gillenormand still has to suffer the wrath of her father as he addresses her as vous for three months.   

And we leave the chapter with Marius facing an uncertain future which is a nice segue to a chapter on the political turmoil in the country.  

[intj-greenwords]

Tolstoy writes like someone who has seen. life.

That Helene is a piece of work.

[garbagecann24601]

Some Petticoat

Lieutenant Théodule Gillenormand: Gillenormand’s great-grand-nephew, Aunt Gillenormand’s favorite, simply because he wasn’t in Paris much.

Marius continues taking little trips without telling his family where he’s going, and everyone assumes he has a lover. Aunt Gillenormand is curious, but she doesn’t want to meddle in anything too scandalous.

Then Théodule stops by on his way through town. He mentions that he had seen that Marius has reserved a seat in the diligence that Théodule himself will be taking. Aunt Gillenormand explains the situation to him and asks him to spy on Marius for her and report back if he sees Marius’s lover.

They both get off at Vernon, and Théodule watches Marius buy some flowers from a peasant girl. 

He follows Marius to a graveyard.

[akallabeth-joie]

Brickclub Les mis 3.3.7

In which we meet Lt. Theodulé "Wish It Was Alfred" Gillenormand. He's shown/stated to be vain, slightly hypocritical and mercenary, and is easily the best member of the family.

He certainly treats Marius the best. There's some gossiping and spying, yes, but in the end, he chose to respect Marius's privacy about the Vernon trip (or at least the late Colonel's). And during the conversation with Aunt Gillenormand, Theodulé crosses her twice to defend Marius or refrain from joining in the criticism. Maybe he didn't mean to help his cousin, but considering that the point of the visit is to placate Aunt G because she gives him money (and there's a possible inheritance), I'd expect the 'mercenary' character to agree with everything the benefactor says, particularly criticisms of his rival. Marius being out of favor increases Theodulé's chances of a large inheritance. Instead, he defends Marius regarding the overnight coach ride, and contradicts his aunt on an undeserved compliment about his own name.

Hugo the Romantic ends the chapter by revealing that our emo-boy Marius's "secret girlfriend" is actually a grave, and the balance of the universe is restored. 

Theodulé is 'tu' to his aunt, uses 'vous' towards her.

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