#abo thoughts

[caitwritesao3]

I don’t know where I was going with this but have at it!

“You are aware Drake has been scenting you right?”

Jason glanced up from his phone watching Damian sit across from him. He dropped two sugar cubes in his tea, the spoon clinking against the cup as he stirred.

“Excuse me?” Jason asked after minutes of observing Damian.

The pup glared back at Jason over his cup. “Drake. He’s been scenting you for months now. Jesus Todd, I knew you were daft but I didn’t realize it was this bad.”

Crossing his arms Jason leaned back in the chair. Lifting his shoulder to sniff at his shirt. Leather, smoke, faint laundry detergent. Nothing out of the ordinary. Damian snorted half rolling his eyes. Jason resisted the urge to kick him under the table.

He wanted to be a smart ass and ask Damian what he knew about scenting but remembered that Bruce and Dick touched the pup every chance they found. Damian was nearing fifteen and had yet to present which ment he was either going to be a beta or a late blooming alpha. Much like Jason had been.

Growing up Jason has always been so malnourished he was sure he wasn’t going to present at all. A rarity but it still happened more often in the poorest parts of Gotham.

“Whatever.” Jason mumbled going back to the news article on his phone. “Tim touches everyone, it doesn’t mean anything.”

Tim was the only omega in their pack. It was instinct for them to touch and leave their scent on the others.

“Normally it would. Drake however is still unmated.” Damian mused pushing his now empty tea cup to the side. “Not to mention you are the only one he’s been touching lately. He’s also been stealing your clothing.”

Frowning Jason tipped his head to the side. Just then speak of the devil Tim waltzed into the kitchen, indeed wearing one of Jason’s shirts.

Damian gave Jason a look of ‘I told you so.’ “Evening Drake.”

“Piss off brat.” Tim growled pouring himself a bowl of soup that Alfred had made an hour ago. Shoving Damian’s head down as he passed Tim took a seat right beside Jason.

Damian winced rubbing his hair. “Preheat got you this pissy?”

Jason raised an eyebrow finally noticing the shift in the air. Tim’s cheeks were dusted light pink, his normal sandalwood and lavender scent was stronger, dripping with a hint of honey. Jason felt his heart rate increase, his canines poking at his lip from the inside.

When Tim lifted the spoon to his mouth the shirt slipped off his shoulder. Exposing the juncture of pale skin, his scent gland in perfect eye line. Jason took a deep breath looking away. Seeing Tim in his clothing and smelling so damn sweet had his alpha clawing at his chest, growling possessively.

Damian mumbled a string of curses at Tim giving him the middle finger as he left the room. Jason jumped feeling something touching the back of his neck. His eyes fluttered, lips parting in a content sigh.

‘Wait a damn minute!’ Jason hissed baring his teeth at Tim. Tim didn’t flinch, only stared at Jason straight faced and dug his nails into Jason’s nape. Jason caved instantly letting out a soft whine.

“Have you gotten the hint yet?” Tim’s fingers threaded into Jason’s curls. Jason could only blink at the omega. Tim stood kicking Jason’s chair back to throw a leg over, straddling Jason’s lap.

Jason let out another emberessing whine. His hands clinging to Tim’s waist. Tim leaned forward nuzzling his nose against Jason’s cheek. “I want you.” He breathed out lips ghosting Jason’s. “I didn’t think I could’ve been more clear about it.”

“Tim.” Jason followed Tim who moved away from Jason’s attempted kiss.

Tim gripped Jason’s hair forcing his head back. Jason growled instinctively fighting the submission. Tim popped him on the mouth sending him into a temporary confused stupor. Their combined scents and arousal thickened the air around them.

Tim’s eyes were nearly black as he stared down at Jason. Finally he pulled Jason into a crushing kiss. Jason’s hands moved up Tim’s back clawing at the shirt. The kiss was messy, rough as they both fought for dominance.

A fight Jason quickly lost, his lips swollen and shiny with spit when Tim broke them apart. “My heat starts in two days.” Tim’s voice dropped as he kissed Jason one last time. “You know where to find me.”

Just as quickly as Tim sat in Jason’s lap he was gone, strolling out of the kitchen. Jason panted sitting in shock at what just occurred. Omega’s were normally the ones being courted.

Tim would be the odd ball and do things his own way. And he wanted Jason, he chose Jason. Tim was going to make Jason his.

[searenbound]

Busy right now but I just realized that gods would still exist in abo which means there must be serious theological debate on the secondary sex of the gods

Just people out here arguing “uh actually god is an Alpha” or “what are you on? God is clearly an Omega, he created us all!”

This is greatly amusing to me.

[aspidities]

Hi - I really enjoy your fic and your blog, so thanks for creating! I have a question, which you may have answered before. I know there's a lot of controversy around ABO fic, so I sometimes feel guilty for enjoying it. Just for some context; I'm a lesbian aroace with a fairly high sex drive, and your smut tends to help me get there, mostly because of the incredibly good writing. How do you feel about the controversy around ABO?

I feel mixed about it, as you can probably imagine, and also apologies for taking forever to answer this ask! It got buried.

I have mixed feelings about ABO because for me, it’s a fun gender sandbox to play in, but I recognize that for others—particularly trans women who are overfetishized and underrepresented, in general—it can be triggering or represent a reality that they don’t see as truthful. Many trans women, after all, are not tops. ‘Alphas’ are not representative of trans women because most trans women will attest that their genitals aren’t like that of cis men, pre and post op. ‘Alphas’ are a fantasy, and one that cis men often co-op, along with ‘futanari’ porn, because it makes them feel safe to fetishize body parts instead of human beings, and that’s not cool with me.

On the other hand, I’m a non binary person, and ABO is how I started to develop that path for myself. It’s not the only thing that helped me figure that out, sure, but it was a big kick in the pants, for sure! And I love playing around with the concept of a world where I can be as literally genderfluid as I want on any particular day. Plus there’s all this fun pseudo-science to insert and expand on, and everyone gets to take the world to new places. When I started out, ABO was almost entirely just werewolf porn or always breeding kink related. Now it’s in fic that have nothing to do with the original meta and have the characters using condoms! It’s great. It’s a whole playground and I think there’s lots of people who see it as a safe place to be.

I want to nurture that. I would like to have plot that celebrates bodies, instead of fetishizing them, but I also recognize that for some, I’ll always be treading on that line. And that’s okay. I think the wider acceptance of ABO in recent media, even to joke about it, is a good thing and it will invite more open critiques and more minds offering new ideas and new content. I think ABO will always be around, but I do think the face of it is changing from ‘weird lady werewolf porn’ to ‘gender play porn’ and I like that journey for us, honestly.

[aspidities]

I gotta say something about ABO fics. I was only able to reflect about how I felt about penises after I started reading ABO fics. For starters I was really confused why I got so turned on by a female character having a penis and fucking another female character. Only then I was able to see that liking women with penises didn't make me less of a lesbian it just made me see that it wouldn't matter if I felt attracted to a trans woman. It opened a door for me and I'm very grateful.

This is what I hope for anyone reading my fics and is honestly the best kind of compliment any ABO wlw writer could receive!

I’m touched, seriously.

[aspidities]

How do you view sexuality in ABO? Is gender still an important determiner or is it only based on ABO status? What do queer relationships look like? You don’t have to answer this if you’re not into like, over-theorising about this stuff, I was just kinda curious

No it’s fun to theorize about!

For my tastes, I tend to like to insert ABO into modern western/American society with full acknowledgment of the hypocrisy inherent in the system. I think male alpha/female omega would be taught in schools, painted lavishly in the renaissance, repeated endlessly in tv shows and movies and books galore. I think male alpha/male omega would be seen as somewhat acceptable, along with female alpha/female omega, because those would be potentially procreative partnerships and y’know, generalized western society likes the breeding kink, but since female alphas and male omegas would be rarer, those people might be made fun of/ostracized as the Other in the group at school. Alpha/alpha and omega/omega pairings would be ‘confusing’ for the wider set, and often the butt of jokes. Particularly placing this in our current modern time period, I think it would be a spectrum of acceptance, probably more so in the coastal cities and less in the rural interior, and that would factor in to individual acceptance too—someone who accepts a female alpha/omega pair might not be so ready to accept two female omegas, for example. Just like how some folks accept cis gays but have issues ‘understanding’ trans people.

I do think writing within the confines of our current societal morality is sometime troubling and perhaps not as uplifting for others who need an escape, but I find it an interesting place to work from because I know it so well. And you know what they say about writing what you know.

Grated, when I write period pieces and other settings, outer space, etc, sometimes I do away with that whole framework and just make it a broad strokes acceptance, and honestly that does feel good. Sometimes it is genuinely easier to envision a world where no one cares who is fucking who, lol, but ultimately I always dive back into the sordid place I know.

[aspidities]

As a trans woman myself I don't personally think your stuff is hurtful. I have definitely seen some ABO that has been more hurtful than helping, but not from any of the authors I routinely read (including you obvs). I find most of it is written in a respectful way, no matter how filthy the story may or may not be in the end. There will always be outliers though.

Thank you, I truly appreciate this perspective, and I agree, there will always be outliers, but hopefully there will be a spread of better writing and better plots for ABO in the future.

We out here taking notes and growing and learning how to make good gender feels smut and it feels good y’all

[mamamittens]

Okay, another surprise 12 hour shift, love that for me. Good news, replacement washer and dryer came in. Did NOT know they came... Textured now? Speed queen can, at least. Odd. Very advanced--did not know they could have so many settings?!? Wild.

I was thinking about wings and feathers today, HOPEFUL ABOUT GETTING OFF AT 5 AGAIN BUT GO FUCK MYSELF IG?!? and ABO verse stuff. Got into a DCU kick and I like how much platonic ABO stuff they got in the batman corner lol, it's fun.

Anyway, reminded me of the fic idea where Nikia is pulled into a ABO AU of One Piece (soul mate shenanigans with yandere vibes I suppose) and I sort of wondered what it would be like if they did actually have those dynamics in her home verse

But everything is just... A little to the left.

So I guess this is a speculative rambling about an ABO/Wingverse AU?

So! For starters!

Scenting! It's still a thing, but it doesn't quite work the way it typically does in most fanfics I see. Where pheramones are constantly getting wafted about and there are scent glands on the neck just waiting for teeth (never have read a clear description on what those look like, btw, so I always imagine like??? Swollen lymph nodes?!? Idk?!?)

While there are scent glands (neck, wrist, and thighs, and the skin is just a little thicker here. A curious, silky texture where oils leak out) those are purely for marking. They require friction to bring the scent to the surface, so more or less deliberate action. They don't usually do much communicating in terms of emotions, stress, or health on their own. Though excessive, unregulated leaking is a sign of high stress, or a medical issue. Their smell is not much stronger than the average person's clean scent. Definitely 'them' but you won't likely notice it just walking by them. They do communicate relationships, though, as combining with another scent strengthens the two (or more) considerably for a time. So a single person would likely not be noticed by smell, but someone in a relationship is definitely noticeable.

So where are the emotive smell feelings, you ask?

In the wings.

It's something of a social power move to air out your feathers and display your emotions like that. Part of the idea that wings already take up a lot of space, so anything else is seen as excessive. Wingverse is not terribly... Expressive, physically, between strangers. Something like how you don't generally touch people's hair, no matter how pretty. Touching someone's wings without asking is somewhere between sinking your whole ass hand to the roots of someone's head, and grabbing a generous palm of ass.

Alphas tend to have smooth wings that technically require the least maintenance, so long as they're in good health. Very sleek, it's easy to notice a feather out of place. They also tend to 'leak' scent more than the other two as part of a social dominance, in part because their feathers shift easily, exposing more of their scent naturally. Of the three dynamics, alphas are more prone to flexing their wings outward or using them to physically move people, though it's incredibly rude to do so.

Omegas have very fluffy wings, with a layer of down feathers that constantly shed and renew. Of the three dynamics, they molt the most and in stages, never quite vulnerable. Their feathers often used in nests. They can settle their feathers down almost as much as an alpha, but the fluffy layers diffuse their scent easily. So it's hard to tell usually, but they can be scented easily up close. Rarely do they fully air out their feathers to demonstrate their emotions, but when they do, they can fill a room in seconds. It's very strong, and very persuasive. Often used for flock control and communication. Omegas also often self groom, or groom others in their flock as a soothing technique. Prone to tidying up messy feathers of anyone they know.

Betas are the middle ground, with the least emotive scents, they do still have a special ability. Their scent can diffuse both alpha and omega scents, keeping an area from becoming overwhelmed. A sort of rational third party, helps keep down conflict. Their own feathers very good filters, with varying levels of down. Sometimes, they air out their wings as a way to clear an unpleasant scent from the room. An alpha may call the shots and omegas rally the flock, but it's the betas that strategize and overcome addled instincts.

All three enjoy nests, but omegas are still considered the... Pickiest about them. Alphas tend to favor secure placement while omegas prioritize comfort. Most can't resist a proper, omega approved nest.

Vocally speaking, they do chirps, clicks, and whistles. Growling is rare but hissing isn't. They don't usually bite (claiming bites aren't really magic, so much as permanently embedding some of their scent into a prominent gland), favoring literal percussive beat downs, especially with wings.

Heats, and ruts, are still a thing but vary between people. Both in symptoms and intensity. There is a thing called "chick heat/rut". Usually experiences by immature alpha/omegas who aren't psychologically ready for a full experience, but also by those with complicated sexual status. Such as asexual.

Odds are strong that if you don't experience attraction, you won't have a 'full' heat/rut. Instincts see it as you not having a partner ready to support you in the case it sticks. So if you did have a MASSIVE CRUSH, you might suddenly find yourself in full heat/rut. Maybe. These false heats and ruts are mostly centered on platonic instincts. So protectiveness for alphas, fussing for omegas, and organizing for betas. On top of a desire for close companionship from lack and friends.

Some omegas are 'nurse' omegas who can induce healing through close contact. Usually not miraculous, but definitely enough that it's a viable treatment plan for the ill if they have an omega family member.

[afoggymirror]

(same anon who complimented ur annyeongz fic) im so glad that you wrote and published it as it is!! ive been a fan of them since izone days and keep up with ive quite a bit and i think you got the dynamic perfectly. i am curious however…if you wrote them as ABO which would both of them be?

i await with bated breath any new fics that you publish…or an update to devotion…stay well.

Well you stay even better!! (づ ˶ᵔ ▿ ᵔ˶)づ♡ hope you have a wonderful week~

More devotion is soon! Next chapter is half done, and I'll probably be faster about posting the ones after that too, because some of them are done but I changed the order because I'm messy lol

(dog cock brain rot after cut)

Ok so Wony is obviously an alpha, but like a really discreet alpha. She's always well put together and she isn't known to lose control of herself in any way. like she wouldn't just say this because she doesn't want to be rude, but everyone can tell she lowkey hates sloppier, more aggressive alpha behavior, she's always bickering with Rei for stinking the room and leaving a mess. She & Yujin bonded in high school so neither has a lot of experience with other people, but she's identified what makes Yujin tick and perfected the art. Her ruts aren't particularly strong, so when Yujin gets desperate she loves prolonging homegirl's suffering for as long as possible. Yujin is so malleable and loves her so much, she would absolutely let Wony drive her insane with heat, purely for entertainment. At one point though (and Wony would only ever let Yujin see her like this) she would also allow herself to feel needy, and give Yujin what she wanted. at that moment, sometimes, she would also get a little carried away, and just scratch the shit out of Yujin's back, and Yujin would make fun of her for it afterwards but never in front of anyone else who didn't know that side of Wony

Yujin is the opposite: she's an omega, but she masks her scent well and she's very outgoing, so you wouldn't normally guess. in fact, and she would never admit this, she's a little self-conscious about being an omega, which sometimes came out in her being a little confrontational with people. All in good fun though, she never has fights or drama with anyone, which tends to make people charmed, and a little confused about her. She only has eyes for Wony though, she's her best friend and the love of her life and she worships her, she doesn't know if Twilight-type imprinting is a real thing but if it is she feels it for Wony. She gets completely nervous and giddy and silly next to her, and since they bonded her heats have been unbearable. All this makes her really self-conscious at times, and more than once she tried to pretend everything was fine when really she was ungodly needy. Wony knows that Yujin has a shy side though, and knows how to bring it out of her, which at the time feels like torture, but in the long run she knows it's just what she needs. Also she doesn't mind a little torture if Wony is entertained

Also Wony smells of very strong black tea but kind of distant like in a table across the room, and Yujin smells of breakfast food like pancakes but the kind that wouldn't feel too heavy to eat in the morning