#abortion rant

[lady-griffin]

So, I have many problems with many of the anti-abortion stances that exist out there or the “logic” behind them. Many, many problems.

But right now, I’m really angry at what people consider to be the more “moderate” take --

The take that except for rape, incest, or medical emergency – abortion should be illegal.

And look, there are many problems with that kind of thinking, but right now I’m focused on the whole idea that someone shouldn’t have access to abortion, because other people think they need to be responsible and face the consequences of their actions.

That’s insane. That’s absolutely insane. You realize that, right?

You’re saying that pregnancy and having a child should be a negative consequence and punishment for someone’s irresponsible and “immoral” actions.

And maybe this is just me, but that seems like a horrible way to start out a new life with your kid. I don’t think I would start out with the most loving of feelings toward my child if they were literally framed as a punishment for my so-called irresponsible actions.

And maybe my actions were irresponsible.

I’m so tired of people say that’s never the case. Because some women are irresponsible and that’s okay; sometimes people make bad decisions or make mistakes.

Maybe I was too in the moment to really care about a condom, or I didn’t believe I could get pregnant in a hot tub, or I wasn’t as careful with my birth control as I should’ve been.

Maybe that woman you want to deny an essential medical procedure is an irresponsible person who just wants to have sex and a good time.

You assigning morality to her actions when it comes to her own life is not only a problem, it’s also illogical when it comes to abortion.

Because here’s the thing -

If you think someone is irresponsible, because they got pregnant, then WHY DO YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE A FUCKING CHILD?

No seriously.

WHY?

Do you think pregnancy suddenly makes someone responsible and a good caretaker? That once the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterine lining that a biological switch happens to make them a different person?

You understand that keeping a fetus not only alive but healthy for 9-10 months is a lot more responsibility than what most modern day birth-control methods require right?

That having an actual living human being under your care is a million times more responsibility, right?

There are many problems with this line of thinking that I’m not even touching upon; because I’m just baffled by the actual thinking of --

“This person is irresponsible and even immoral for their action of having sex in a way that allowed them to get pregnant and therefore they should have to deal with the full responsibility of keeping another human alive, protected and cared for as their punishment”

That’s insane. That’s fucking insane.

Why do we treat that like it’s a moderate take on the situation?

Why did I for years never question this? Why did I just accept it as the acceptable and reasonable take? 

Because it positions itself directly in the middle and therefore according to some bullshit logic, that makes it the most “reasonable” and “logical”?

First off all, you can’t get to a reasonable and logical stance by just going for the middle, especially when one side doesn’t think people deserve to have bodily autonomy and make their own fucking decisions.

ALSO

Pregnancy should not be a negative consequence at all.

Children should not be a punishment of any kind.

Being pregnant and having a child should be something one is excited for and happy about. Something they wanted and planned for or at the very least able to quickly get on board with and become happy about.

It’s like sex; if it’s not an enthusiastic yes, then there is a big fucking problem.

I don’t care what reason someone has for an abortion. They should be able to get one. I don’t care if they were irresponsible. I don’t care if they want to go binge drinking at a crazy party in a few weeks and don’t want to change their plans.

I don’t fucking care.

Choosing not to be pregnant, because you recognize you are not in any kind of place to take care of a fetus or a child, or that you don’t want to have that kind of responsibility IS the moral and responsible action to take.

Children should never be punishments.

[neil-nothing-josten]

Very rarely do I think this man is acting in bad faith when he argues, but in this case he definitely is.

Abortion is not about killing babies/fetuses. It’s about getting them away/out of the responsibility of the mother. 

The reason we can’t kill babies who are born with medical issues, is because we can give them up. If a woman has regrets after the birth, she can give her kids to cps/adoption/whatever. Not necessarily the best course of action for the kid, but legal, i think, none the less. The only reason we perform abortions is because it’s basically the only way to get the fetus out early, unless it’s mostly developed in which case perhaps a caeserian could be performed. 

IDK how you get the fetus out of me, I just want it out and not my responsibility. If you can use cool medical equipment to keep it alive, whatever, as long as I don’t have to be connected in any way to the kid. Don’t let the kid contact me. I don’t want that. 

Just my opinions

Let me add a caveat, if you’re going to surgically remove this baby from me, then the gov also needs to cover medical expenses and time off work to cover the difference between an abortion and the surgery.

[elenuvien-archive]

the fact that abortion here is illegal is so fucked up because you still can be granted permission to do it in three cases:

it's a rape pregnancy

the pregnancy seriously endangers person's life

before we get to the third it's important to mention that while it's not against the law to seek abortion in the aforementioned cases, it can be still insanely difficult to get a permission for it and after you get it, you may be reviewed and accused of "not needing" and actually go to jail.

the last case is the most fucked up:

if the child is seriously ill/deformed

so what polish law is saying is, basically, that it's not okay to "kill" a healthy kid but it's absolutely fine to "kill" a sick child. someone pregnant can not want a child that is "flawed", "malfunctioning", it's absolutely okay to "spare" yourself of having to deal with a child that wouldn't be as "supposed to". 

the hypocrisy and ableism of it is maybe even worse than banning abortion altogether. because it cares but only for children who are "perfect", "right" but if they're not, it leaves the option to have them "removed".

i am absolutely pro-choice so it's not anti-abortion rant but this exception that narrows children to "good" and "bad" depending on their health and "structure", if i may say so, is so sick.

the argument behind this is supposedly that "we're sparing children" from pained life which i'd buy if it could also spare healthy children from pained lives of being unwanted, living in poverty, etc. yet we only say it can be okay to abort a child that is "flawed".

[4gotten-dreams]

How is me not being able to have kids, a reason for someone to not abort theirs?

I guess in terms of being able to adopt it be great, and the fact some people do that is wonderful. 

But you can't expect all these women (sometimes young girls as well don't forget) to suffer months of agony to carry a child to give to someone else, if they didn't want to do it.

[menoverbored]

I’m so fucking sick of pro-life people flooding Facebook with their “They could’ve had a great life” and “Pro-choice logic is silly” attitude bullshit I’m done.

[problemlikelauren]

It makes me physically sick that the government thinks it's their place to tell women what we can and cannot do with our bodies. If I got pregnant and knew I couldn't raise a child properly, I'd want to have the option of an abortion. It's beyond fucked up to say that wouldn't be my right. How could bringing a child into the world who wouldn't be looked after properly be better than choosing not to have the kid before it even became a person???

[laced-in-ink]

Oh man it's another abortion debate.

We are all entitled to our opinions. Im fine with that. In fact it's sometimes nice to have a differing view from someone and being able to have an adult conversation with them and find out why they feel the way they do, their thoughts on their view and their opinions on the opposing view, etc. 

That being said, I will never in a million years understand how a woman could be perfectly content with men in Washington DC lobbying for their basic human rights to be taken away. Get raped? Oh well that's okay; women should just expect it nowadays. (I kid you not this was said to me once BY ANOTHER WOMAN!) Abortion after 20 weeks, even though you might be giving birth to a stillborn or you could die from it? Or hey a poor 14 year old girl got raped but was too scared to say anything until Mommy saw her belly growing? NOPE!..."20 weeks is too long. Babies are alive then." "At 20 weeks I could feel my son kicking! Such a miraculous feeling" (again actually said to me by other women). 

That's fine...that's your view. But for some women and girls it's not "miraculous".  For some they've been raped and do not want a child. Why should they have to carry that child to term? For others they've lost that child in the womb, why should they be forced to carry a child that will never take it's first breath, all because a man says she has to? Why should a woman be forced to go through those months of carrying and hours of delivery to give birth a child that the doctors told her would die within hours because of a severe anomaly? 

I just truly don't understand some people's view on this. It's NOT murder (yup again.. I was told abortion is murder). Sometimes its the only way to SAVE a life. It's a woman's damn choice; if you don't want an abortion that's fine, you don't have to get one. But stop telling others that they can't. 

/end rant