you know. his ideology was already bull but in retrospect w uncle ben's whole deal in mcu how DARE atsv miguel try to say him and his multiversal equivalents dying is a canon event. lmao
Alright. But no.
I've already posted about this. I won't restate the argument.
In a roundabout way, Miguel was saying this: superheroes have origin stories. The origin story of Spider-Man is accidentally getting Uncle Ben killed. He teaches you that with great power comes great responsibility, and you take up the responsibility of superheroics.
That is objectively true. If you think it's not true, I really welcome you to tell me a single Spider-Man property (besides the MCU, apparently) that does not have that origin story. It's like saying that Krypton is destined to explode, because that's Superman's origin story. It's like saying that Batman's parents are doomed to die, because that has to happen for Bruce to become Batman.
Peter Parker, as a person, defines himself by his own misery. His guilt over Uncle Ben's death makes Spider-Man compulsive. He has to do the right thing, he has to help people, or he's basically killing Uncle Ben all over again. Miguel is living that story as well. Miguel tells Miles that Miles is in a Spider-Man story, and that a Spider-Man story is defined by misery and tragedy, and that there is no escaping this. Again, please show me a half-decent Spider-Man story that does not define Peter by his failures.
And you know this is true, because ASTV is about Spider-Man stories. It's extremely interested in Spider-Man narratives - what creates them, what ideas they spread, and what they mean. ITSV is about Miles figuring out what kind of Spider-Man he wants to be, and ASTV is about Miles choosing to redefine what Spider-Man means. Miguel was just in the wrong movie. If he was in any other Spider-Man story, he'd be dead right. That's kind of the point of the movie.
It is objectively insane that the MCU decided that Peter doesn't blame himself for Uncle Ben's death. That's nuts. It's like saying that Superman ended up on Earth because his parents accidentally left him in a closet, Importance of Being Earnest style. Batman's parents died of cancer and he went 'well, what else am I going to do with a bajillion dollars?'. There's no origin there. There's no character motivation. Nothing drives him. Nothing forces him to put on the suit day after day - even when it's hard, even when he'd rather do anything else. I called the fact that Uncle Ben didn't narratively exist for a reason. It was blisteringly obvious that Peter had no reason to put on that suit. You're left with a character who ruins his own life because he's a good boy who likes to do the right thing. Completely toothless. Boring. And just not a Spider-Man story.
I said last time that Peter's been in his wrestler era for six movies, and that the MCU only really finished his origin story in NWH. I don't even really think that anymore - because Peter's origin story is why he chose to be a superhero. Peter became Spider-Man with no origin story. He's a superhero for no reason. Modern superhero movies tend to skip over the origin story because it's assumed that we know it, and that's what we assumed happened here. Apparently it not only wasn't interesting, it just wasn't important.
Bonkers choice. Insane choice. I'm not even mad over it, because this doesn't even feel like news. It feels like an explanation for why MCU Peter just doesn't have the grit that regular Peter as. Peter has a hard edge to him, an anger, a fire. MCU Peter's never once shown that. I am kind of fascinated about this choice, and I'm interested to know why they made it. I'm not even saying that it's an objectively bad one. Giving a guy his origin story six movies later isn't even an uninteresting choice. But it's a choice to go against the Spider-Man story.
So yeah, I guess that there is a very major Spider-Man canon that doesn't feature tragedy! I suppose that is now true. But that explains why he doesn't feel like Spider-Man. I'm also still confused as to how so many people managed to catastrophically misunderstand the entire premise of that children's movie.















