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Never liked clean-shaven, sinewy bodybuilder legs. 10~20 kg more body fat and hair growth would make him appear much more naturally masculine, rather than looking like a living, escaped model of Gunther von Hagens' Plastination Cabinet.

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Of course they were all straight and enjoyed having long hair and wearing clothes like their wives.

Fortunately, this terrible period of travesty is over. But today we have to deal with a lot of other bullshit.

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Donovan's Missing 5th Leg

Donovan correctly recognizes that masculinity can only be defined by other men, but he fails to provide a reason why they should strive for it together. You have to look at many of his followers to see that a straight dude can never truly appreciate masculinity because his thoughts only revolve around women. In the end, it makes no difference whether this happens in an oppressive or submissive manner; the focus on femininity remains.

They only define their masculinity through women in one way or another, what Donovan himself ironically propagates through his book, contradicting the rest of his striving for manliness with other men, when he describes women as the real purpose of existence for men. However, he resorts – even more contradictorily – to primitive heterosexual chimpanzee sociology as an example, where beating females is typical behavior, and considers this to be more masculine than the balanced bisexual bonobo community with fucking males.

Donovan ultimately reduces his own masculinity to mere acceptance as a male by sexual competitors and females as prey, even though – again contradictorily – he himself was once a gay go-go dancer. The fact that Donovan is seriously engaging with this mindset is truly a betrayal of our cause. We men, who can experience and appreciate masculinity in all its fullness, should stick together to form a stronger androphilic counterbalance instead of identifying with that shit, whether rainbow-flavored or as conservative cunt worship.

Because where is the motivation for men to stick together beyond material things? Where is the real reason for brotherhood?! To me, Donovan's solar cult appears to be just a desert playground for straight bodybuilders to give more dignity to their longing for the oppression of women by alienating old world culture in Walt Disney style, as their accessory. This is even more embarrassing for non-Americans to witness.

Commercialization of Masculinity

This is made all the more impressive by the way he confuses wrestling with this silly shit in the USA, where people just mess around in a ridiculous way for the amusement of others. Is this supposed to save our civilization? Is this now universally masculine? Couldn't lesbians beef up and strive for strength equally well?!

In my culture, craftsmanship and expertise are considered much more typical male characteristics, less bodybuilding and fighting like little boys. That's why I find it a bit idiotic that he puts "fitness" right at the top as a condition for entry into his "Order of Fire". For the fact that he describes himself as sexually "transcended", he still puts nevertheless a lot of emphasis on his bros' muscles, which is pretty homo. :D

If I wanted to start a movement, I would make my books available for free and not expect others to buy or read them as a condition of entry, just to join a club with a monthly fee after a fitness check via video call, and then go "solar" be whatever that means…

To me the whole thing seems more like a hobby lifestyle club rather than something to build a real independent community, let alone something like a true brotherhood. For this you would need more than just muscles, but also technical skills and like-minded patrons who are most likely not physically fit, but who bring in know-how and the necessary money to create self-sufficient infrastructures, if you don't want to just craft stone sun circles with your bodybuilder buddies in the Arizona desert.

In view of this, an Amazon comment of his religious patchwork, the reading of which he makes a requirement for acceptance into his club, seems extremely credible to me:

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Dilettante loses interest and moves onto the next thing...

Fire in The Dark deals with timeless themes, but is Jack's interest similarly timeless or a passing fancy? Do you want to make an emotional investment in something if he's just going to bin it when he gets bored?

You know Jack: first a go-go dancer in gay clubs...then a Church of Satan devotee...then an Alt. Right outrider...then a masculinity theorist...then a Norse tribalist...now, in his own words, a 'Zeus man'. Wherever you come on board with his work, it seems there'll always come a time when Jack does a volte face, rejects it, throws it all overboard and leaves it behind. Eventually, you have to ask how much he ever meant any of it and how much was a passing phase. I'm not the only one to reach this point:

"It's hard for me to recommend Jack Donovan's books anymore after a couple of years knowing him as a person and seeing that be in complete opposition to his writings...

He was struggling to re-create himself after he was removed from the Wolves, which seems to have led him to some sort of 3%er pro-America stuff, which is a very conflicting set of ideas and values compared with the attitude in Becoming A Barbarian and his former opinions on government...

Someone sent me a screencap of one of his emails where he wished that right wing guys would stop reading his books and burn them...

There was an oath of loyalty and silence in place - which we take very seriously...(but) he also made statements about us in the latest long hit piece put out by some Portland journalist, which I consider to be a form of dry snitching." (Paul Waggener, 2021).

One of Jack's followers recently told him that he was "Like Gandalf - you start something over here and then after a time you move over there and you're onto the next thing." Jack liked it enough to repeat it several times. Me, I'm not sure it's a compliment.

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I guess I've now paid enough attention to him and extracted everything I need for my own work. I had only read his book "The Way of Men" and was thinking about reading the others too. But after this Amazon review and my own analysis, I'd rather save the money. Maybe one of my followers would like to read up on Donovan's application process and train to experience masculinity from the sexually transcended Gandalf personally. But I'm just annoyed that I was so foolish as to see this tattooed spoilage as an androphilic role model. The reason I bothered with him at all was because he is very often quoted as a kind of masculinity prophet. But the whole thing turned out to be more marketing than substantial.

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Doesn't that border on pedophilia? Girls with breast implants? I will never understand this. And I don't want that at all…

And nope, the vast majority of guys who find this attractive are often not particularly masculine.

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Straight guys are just slaves of femininity

As I was browsing Donovan's X profile, I saw this fanboy of his (surprisingly, Donovan doesn't get many comments there despite his high following). This is truly the pure embodiment of straight shit. This dude actually thinks that just because he trains his muscles a bit and constantly works off his inferiority complex on women, he's a man?! And even though he wants to be a dominant leading alpha male, most of the time he just talks about femininity. :D

No, he's not a man, he's just a slave of pussies. He thinks he's in charge because he speaks in such a pretended macho manner. However, it's women who constantly fuck his pseudo-male worldview with their curves, boobs and wet pussies. He thinks they are just there for his pleasure, but in truth he is their cunt servant, willingly working for them, caring for them and constantly mothering them. :D

I bet that when he reincarnates and changes sex, he will make an excellent lesbian, and finally bury any thoughts of masculinity in order to fully embrace her "goddesses" as their butch. These are then the ladies who talk about toxic masculinity and give seminars on how they menstruate in a group and collect their bloody discharge in a bucket in order to enjoy the increasingly fishy smell until the next period.

This dude simply provides a wonderful field study to show that straight men are completely incapable of seriously appreciating masculinity because they are far too focused on women. This is also what I wrote to Jack Donovan, but never received a response: As a straight man, he would never have written "The Way of Men" because a hetero would mostly just babble about his relationship with women and worship of femininity. Masculinity here would be reduced to primal things, just enough to get women.

That's why, on his x account, this guy only raves about how women should ideally be shaped, but not men. Is that supposed to be masculine?! When it comes to men, he at best regurgitates phrases from the conservative camp, which most straight dicks never entirely conform to anyway. This is not surprising because they only do it out of other people's expectations, not out of any real conviction in the matter. Therefore, in the freedom of Western metropolises, they quickly degenerate into androgynous sperm donors with transvestites as the highest possible comparative form as soon as conservative constraints no longer press them into a pseudo-male form.

Men's worship of masculinity is homosexual, and not recognizing this is like denying the sun's importance to daylight. The ridiculous society this guy describes is thus a mere continuation of the existing contradictions and has no inner cohesion that goes beyond the nuclear family with a suppressed speaking doll that he adores more than masculinity in general. This reminds me of my biological father throwing our family away for a fucking bitch who didn't disagree with him like my mother.

I, on the other hand, want to overcome this unnatural construct and instead strive for a society where such polarities no longer exist, where sexual differences are limited to the genitals and we meet on equal terms. Just as a man sometimes engages in the submissive act without being any less masculine, having a pussy doesn't mean having to be shaped like a floor vase and fragilely weak. I offer real emancipation and no further consolidation of civilizational mis-selection that borders on pedophilia.

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I am so grateful to Allah for 100% relief from this. Dudes who worship femininity like this are slaves and not true men.

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When she activates her dark feminine energy, she can use her sexual magic to seduce men and enchant their mind to deeply desire her, even to the point of obsession.

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This kills any form of brotherhood between men and turns them into mere bullies who bite each other to death over a fucking female. That's just lower biology, not higher masculinity. That's why homosexuality is always a part of societies, no matter how much these cunt slaves who presume to be the only true men deny it.

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iOS only ≠ Usable

The fact instagram has never gotten an iPad app, and now Threads doesn't even have a web app is just sad. No I don't want your time killer on the device that is always on me. Stop being lazy and release an iPad and Web version of your stuff. Also why is the app a quarter gig? how much tracking software are you cramming into that thing?

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