#arrowverse asks

[bike-messenger-behrad]

Supercorp and Avalance

Avalance!!!! No doubt. I love me anything with Sara Lance.

[caitlinsnow-yayyy]

For the ask thingy: Lena Luthor and Caitlin Snow

I’ve already done Lena, so I’ll do Caitlin here :D

- Do I like them - YASSSSSS I LOVE CAITLIN!!!!- What do I like best about them - Oh gosh… sweet, funny, caring, nice, SO DANG PRETTY, too much to list :D- Two random headcanons for them - She’s secretly a great tap dancer and she loves being hugged. - Who I ship them with - Barry Allen (duh), Kara Danvers, Sara Lance, Ronnie Raymond, Felicity Smoak, Savitar. - My reaction to seeing them on screen - YAYYYYY CAITLIN :D :D :D- How cute are they (in my opinion) - She’s so cute and precious… :)- How much they’ve grown since their debut - She has grown, in my opinion, the most out of anyone. Despite what the writers do to her poor soul.

[frostythekillerdoll]

since ur having snowest illness.. i've always thought that if earth 1 caitlin ever met earth 2 iris she'd be really lesbian about it. do u see the vision

i ABSOLUTELY see the fucking vision !!!! in general e2 iris and e2 kf had such a homoerotic dynamic (her cold HAND on her THROAT), and e2 iris is basically just e1 iris with all that iris-ism amplified, if that makes sense, since e2 iris wasn't stifled as easily by an overprotective joe. e2 iris is nice enough to e1 barry and e1 cisco when she finds out the truth, she's more focused on her duty to protect people than e1 barry lying to her and e1 cisco having the face of another one of zoom's lieutenants. however, e2 kf KILLED HER DAD. so. if meeting e1 caitlin i don't think e2 iris could find it in herself to be as kind or forgiving towards her. so we get a mean iris, grieving while trying to stay focused, and then there's caitlin just watching her like DAMN, this iris is such a bitch !!!!!! a badass, gun-toting, grieving, serious bitch !!!!! and it's.... kinda hot oh no-

au where instead of zoom eventually letting caitlin go when he had her napped, she was instead saved by e2 iris <33

[frostythekillerdoll]

Saw your post abt Caitlin's clothes and started thinking about how sometimes the same shirt/dress/whatever is worn by different characters across shows (ik it happens with Felicity and Iris at least twice) and now I'm imagining all of the Arrowverse ladies swapping their trauma outfitsTM if they're not beyond repair or cleaning. Their convos go "hey friend! here is this clothing item that i think would look really good on you and this has nothing to do with fact that i associate wearing this with being kidnapped/tortured/seeing someone i love die :)"

Also do you think the STAR Labs sweatshirt is comforting bc it means they're safe or awful bc it means something happened again?

GODDD I LOVE THAT THOUGHT........ the arrowverse ladies just all have a groupchat specifically for swapping clothes with bad memories engraved into the fabric. no one says that's what it's for, but it's what it's used as. sending photos like can you tell this was a blood stain or does it look normal to people that didn't bleed on it?

goddd the star labs sweatshirt!!!! bcuz it's a mixed bag, isn't it? sometimes, that sweatshirt means that one of their favorite people came back to them. ronnie, barry, jesse, caitlin. sometimes, it means pain. blood on their old clothes. letting a liar into their lives. struggling to change out of a stained shirt because of bruised ribs and blurry vision. it's a comfort in the way a bandaid is, i think? "safe" doesn't really exist in their minds, "safe" is a fantasy they tell themselves so they can lie themselves into getting some rest, something else always happens and all they can rely on is the quiet moments in between the horrible. the star labs sweatshirt represents the aftermath. the quiet before the storm picks back up. time to replenish their energy so they can fight for their lives again. <3

[frostythekillerdoll]

iris having a christmas party and putting mistletoe up and setting things up so that her and caitlin go under it and its supposed to be this lighthearted sweet cute thing. and caitlin just has flashbacks to her and zoom.

YESSS PLEASE YESSSS. seeing the way she reacted to her PTSD hallucination in invincible, where the first time she saw him, she didn't speak or make a sound. she barely blinked, her eyes were... literally so goddamn wide, and she looked so sweaty. the only reason cisco figured out she was having an episode was bcuz she couldn't keep it in that time, especially because the hallucinations just got closer and she couldn't tell if it was real or imagined; "i see him everywhere." and that line she said at the beginning, how she didn't think zoom was actually gonna set her free, "i thought it was a trap," so there's a part of her that knows it could still just be a trick, that he could be giving her this sense of freedom and letting her see her friends just to rip her away from them again as a punishment for betraying him with that stolen phone thing.

iris doing this just so be cute and romantic and festive, and because, hey, caitlin's implied to like plants wayyy before khione shows up so ofc cait's gonna like it !!! so she holds caitlin's hands and they're laughing while iris sneakily drags her over to the mistletoe and iris makes a sweet joke when she points out they're under it. and immediately caitlin's laughter cuts out. like, the sound dies so instantly that it's like someone pressed pause on a movie. suddenly it's not iris' fingers wrapped softly around her wrists, it's his, and it's too warm from the lightning coursing through his veins, and she can't move. but he's supposed to be dead, so this can't be real, so if she doesn't make a noise, it stays in her head and it's fine and everything's fine and she's fine.

but she just goes silent. her face drops and she's staring right above iris' head, at someone taller than iris is. and she has sensory flashbacks to that kiss. the quick and easy kiss that she happily gave him, she was the one that leaned in first, she was smiling about it afterwards, because he was supposed to be nice and real and she let herself fall for it. like she says about herself after hannibal assaults her wearing barry's face, "like anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that." for someone as clever as she is, she just let it happen (she thinks about it that way, anyway), she thinks she's "gullible" as her doppelganger calls it. she feels his mouth on hers and she can't breathe. iris' eyes are such a gorgeous, deep, dark brown... and in caitlin's head, that beautiful darkness flashes to be all-encompassing, cruel, black mirrors.

so iris doesn't even know what's happening. one moment her girlfriend's giggling in her ear with her hands all over, the next her girlfriend has goosebumps everywhere and is holding in her breath and she can't stop shaking and she just... isn't with iris anymore, mentally. iris is v intuitive as a person, so i think she'd clock the episode pretty quickly? maybe the worst part is that caitlin doesn't take her hands back. iris feels caitlin's fingers go limp and cold between her own fingers, but caitlin doesn't expect iris to... stop touching. to let her let go.

and maybe instinctively, from the sensory flashbacks, caitlin presses her lips together like she's still expecting iris to kiss her anyway. that's the worst part, actually. that caitlin doesn't want to acknowledge she's only halfway there and she still thinks iris must want to do this anyway and it doesn't matter how caitlin feels because it never mattered with zoom, or with bates. maybe she deserves it for being stupid enough to fall for their acts, even. she gladly kissed the man that would later hold her hostage for weeks and kill her friend's father and try to kill her and all her friends and take over her world and killed another version of herself and another version of the love of her life and kept some of her friends hostage, too, and forced his agents to choose between working for him or dying at his hands and, and, and. so it's pay-back, simple cause and effect, that's fine. it's fine. she doesn't want to be a bother, so just get it over with. she can even kiss back, if iris wants.

obviously iris is Not Like That, and caitlin knows that, sure, but that doesn't really matter when it comes to flashbacks, especially if it includes emotional flashbacking.

iris knows caitlin doesn't like it when her trauma is out in the open like this, so iris pulls her away from the party and caitlin still can't talk. but they're moderately alone now, at least in a different room, listening to the party still going on and their family laughing. they're alone now, just like caitlin was with him when he chained her up. iris tries to get her to sit down, but all caitlin hears is the metal rustling and all she expects to happen is to feel the click of those chains locking against her skin and she hates how warm iris feels and the way she sees his eyes in iris' so she closes her own. that's what you're supposed to do when you're kissing someone, right? she's still kinda expecting iris to just. do it already.

iris doesn't sit next to her. instead, iris moves to the other side of the room and sits down on the floor and just. waits it out with her. talks to, or, rather, talks at her about things they like. iris' most recent article, a terrible pun cisco made an hour ago, the time iris and barry were so excited for christmas as kids that they fell down the stairs and had to spend christmas morning in the ER with a very exasperated joe, the bugs caitlin saved as a child from getting stepped on because she so strongly believed in doing no harm even back then, favorite holiday movies, which of santa's reindeer has the coolest name.

pretty soon, iris' pretty, gentle, quiet voice is louder in caitlin's ears than the phantom chains are. with every word iris says, caitlin can breathe again. she even manages out a few whimpery laughs at iris' stories. she can open her eyes and the world around her isn't blurry or split in two anymore. she didn't even know she was crying until she's sniffling.

iris gets up and goes to dry her tears with her thumb, but caitlin's breathing hitches when they almost touch and iris quickly takes a step back again. caitlin grabs her hand before iris can take it back herself, pressing iris' palm into the side of her face. caitlin just starts whispering messy, watery apologies into iris' hand and it breaks iris' heart.

"i ruined the party-" "nothing's ruined, everyone's still having fun-" "i'm sorry, i-i'm sorry-" "you don't have to-" "it was nice, the m-mistletoe was-" "i didn't know, i'm the one that should be sorry-" "no, no, stop, i'm supposed to be-" "don't talk about yourself like that, no one would be fine after that, i'm so sorry-" "no, you're being too nice, i made the party all about me and i'm sorry-"

so they just become this mess of teary-eyed apologies, even though both keeps telling the other that there's nothing to apologize for and no one's mad. at least they agree on that. iris hesitates to get closer to her, but caitlin pulls her into her bubble and melts against iris. it's grounding. it helps her remember where/when/who she is. iris hugs her tight.

they fix each other's hair and makeup, laughing with their hands all over each other like nothing happened. when they go back to the main party, they're still holding hands. they don't kiss under the mistletoe- in fact, it curiously disappears after iris whispers something to barry- but they do kiss later, when the party's quieted down to binging festive old movies and caitlin's making hot cocoa in the kitchen while iris looks pretty beside her because iris is very banned from using stovetops. iris tastes like lukewarm, sugary marshmallows and that's really the only thing that matters to her anymore.

[frostythekillerdoll]

caitlin latching so hard onto frost bc shes the only one who cant be impersonated, because shes literally in caitlins head. everyman paranoia making caitlin just that more detached from everyone. imagine, even, caitlin trying to institute a verbal password that everyone has to use to verify their identity but barry thinks its kinda dumb bc hes a speedster, he'll just use his powers to prove its him. and cisco laughs it off like "right, ok, just ask me to name my favorite star wars movie" or something. so really, the only one who caitlin KNOWS is 100% real all the time is frost. earth variants, savitar, and deathstorm showing up as ronnie all making that paranoia 100x worse. <3

LITERALLY, I FUCKING LOVE THIS. it's fucking wackadoodle doo to me that the superhero teams as a whole aren't 100% more paranoid all the time abt doppelgangers and shapeshifters and mind control and body possession !!!! they've all been through it so much, especially caitlin. she got SA'ed by a shapeshifter, mind-controlled by a gorilla, body-possessed by shadow selves, groomed by savitar and deathstorm-prime (different reasons, but still). so she ends up clinging even harder to frost as the one thing she can actually trust. and she ends up losing that connection to frost in the body split, so now her one safe space is rendered null. she can't trust anyone, including herself. she can't trust her mind because it can be taken over quite easily. she can't trust her body because it can be used against her quite easily, too. what's a girl to do when she can't trust herself, much less her other half and closest friends?

[frostythekillerdoll]

okay so i’ve been the one that’s been sending you those anon questions lately and i just wanna say i really like ur takes and the fact that you like both iris and caitlin bc its so rare in this fandom <3

HIIIII thank u !!! i’m no stranger to hating characters, i have an arrowverse character i dislike so much it’s a running bit that i censor his name whenever it’s brought up, but i just. will never understand the iris hate. her haters want her dead for such stupid reasons. they take everything she ever does/did in the worst faith possible, no matter how much that interpretation fucks with the canonical narrative. she gets dragged for bullshit all the white people surrounding her have either also done, or those white people do something worse way but ofc they get a pass and iris can never. it’s actually so easy to analyze the weird/rude things iris has actually done, without blaming her for everything forever or being cruel towards her fucking actress or ignoring the nuances of her character. “i’m not racist” for sure buddy, iris sucks bcuz she repeated something barry said back to him to comfort him during a breakdown, but caitlin’s forgiven for being frenemies with a human trafficker? cool cool cool. of course. makes sense. LIKE. so many iris haters can’t even own up to their own fucking racism holyyy shit

i’ll probably die defending iris and caitlin and their friendship, i love both so much and i love them together (in any way) so much !! it feels like i’m in an echo chamber of other iris defenders and snowwest enjoyers, tho that’s probably bcuz of the sheer amount of blogs i have blocked? so i really don’t know how common iris hate still is, it seems to be very alive on tiktok unfortunately. i HATEE whenever fandom pits two badass random women against each other all for some fucking GUY for no goddamn REASON she DOESN’T EVEN WANT HIMMM. caitlin SHIPS westallen !!!! she’s BEEN pushing them together !!!!! like. fuck off. let the girls live. free my women. free all women from misogyny and misogynoir please for fuck’s sakeee they’re not obsessed with barry u only think they’re obsessed with him bcuz u hate whenever a man’s not the entire focus point of a woman’s life iris has her own things going on outside of barry and so does caitlin LET THEM BREATHE

and then let them kiss <3

i appreciate u telling me this, thank u again :3c

[frostythekillerdoll]

Clifford Devoe is a freaking sicko and needs to go to sicko jail forever because like, hello??? If your plan is The Enlightenment, then how does like, continual marital rape further that? Like, if he absolutely had to drug Marlize to keep her on his side, he could at least like, withhold affection from her until she was sober enough to consent. Like, what a freaking pervert.

AND HE WAS ALSO ALTERING HER FUCKING MEMORIES ?!?!?!?!?!?!?! PRESUMABLY SINCE 4x09 WHEN HE GAINS DOMINIC'S POWERS ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! he fucking says says says in 4x19, "your role, from now until the enlightenment has occurred, is as my technician," to marlize. he only starts withholding affection from her THEN and he makes her think it's her fault!! he judges her for it!! same ep, marlize says, "could we not spend time together? as husband and wife? I think-" and he cuts her OFF with, "that is your first mistake, leave the thinking to me." HE'S BEEN DRUGGING AND RAPING HER ALMOST ALL YEAR BEFORE THIS AND NOW HE'S FUCKING GUILTING HER AND LITERALLY MAKES A COMMENT ABT HER INAPPROPIATE CLOTHES(????) FOR THE VERY THING HE HAS CONDITIONED HER TO WANT AND INITIATE.

tbh even if he waited for marlize to be sober before having sex with her. this is still so domestic violence situation so much of their sex life for so long has been so coerced and disgusting it would just be more of that. he can also just alter her memories at any time. we don't even know how many times she tried to escape in her memory loop, nor how long she was trying to escape. i fucking hate this man so much