It’s been a while, hasn’t it? I’ve been focusing on the big analysis, so I haven’t really sat down to answer asks properly in a few months. I thought it was about time I did.
And there’s been so many really nice Vmin moments lately too. :3 Aren’t we blessed? I managed to watch the last day properly, and it really was such a joy to see them all again after this break.
Anyways, today’s topics will be:
Ask 1 : Jimin OST!!
Ask 2: Vmin getting Covid
Ask 3: Vmin facetimed for 2 hours
Ask 4: Raw take on shipping
Ask 5: When is the big reveal(?) on your blog?
Ask 6: Vmin as each other’s other half in songs
Ask 7: Believers take out the fun of some fandom parts
Ask 8: You analysis hurts me and takes away my joy
Ask 9: I don’t understand your analysis at all
Ask 10: Jimin about “bromance”
Let’s get to it!
Ask 1: Jimin OST!!
OMG YEEEES! I knoooow! T_T I can’t believe he is finally getting one! I am so curious to what it will be and what it will sound like, but people are thinking it might be emotional because of the plot of the drama (Our Blues)? I wonder if it will be solo or a collab? (Also if he manages to add certain themes that haunt me every waking moment!) Either way I am so excited!!
💜 Let’s all rejoice, support him and look forward to the song! 💜
Ask 2: Vmin getting Covid
You know, I hated it so much when I saw Ji/kookers wishing/hoping that JK would get Covid to “prove” their theories, and then how Tae/kookers basically did the same thing after Tae got it. I can’t believe they would rather see this as some kind of proof, instead of worrying for the members, especially since Jimin had surgery at the same time.
But yeah, them ignoring that Vmin both got it doesn’t surprise me. Not that I personally think that getting Covid close to each other has to mean anything (and we also know that all members had met recently before Tae was tested positive so literally anyone could have gotten it even if it was from Jimin), but it is rather hypocritical to say it means something if it happens to one pair but then just dimiss it if it’s another. But that’s just the way it is, another normal day in Shipping land.
Ask 3: Vmin facetimed for 2 hours
I really think we all know that any person who say any relationship in BTS is fanservice is just willfully ignorant. I don’t know how people can still say Vmin is fake considering all the things they have done, big and small, over the years... But clearly these people simply doesn’t want to see what is right there in front of them. They probably have some reason to want to believe it, but I have no idea what could possibly be so facinating about liking a group or a member that is faking most of their feelings. Oh well, back to the actual point!
VMIN FACETIMED FOR 2 HOURS AS SOON AS TAE WOKE UP AND THEY WORKED OUT TOGETHER OVER THE PHONE AND EVERYTHING! WHY ARE THEY SO CUTE! Vmin spending hours on the phone while doing nothing and everything together just to keep each other company is honestly so on brand for them. Let’s just enjoy it and let the negative anti Vmin crowd gloom over Vmin being such great actors or whatever it is they enjoy doing. :P
Ask 4: Raw take on shipping
Hi, and thank you. I am not entirely sure what you mean, like specifically, but I am glad you like the way I approach shipping and talk about it. And also that it could help you in some way to feel less confused. :3
Ask 5: When is the big reveal(?) on your blog?
First of all, thank you @iamthestorm79 for the lovely words. :) It’s always nice to hear from new readers, and I am glad you have liked what you have found so far.
As for your first question, about the “big reveal” I wonder if you might mean my big Vmin analysis? I wouldn’t exactly call it a reveal, because you know, all of the information is out there.... It’s nothing new, just my thoughts and theories collected in one big essay about Vmin. I’ve started to post it, and so far have two parts up on Tumblr BTS&Vmin analysis pt. 1 - An introduction and BTS&Vmin analysis pt. 2 - About me and my views. On Patreon I have two more parts up, and I am currently fixing/writing on the 5th. How long it will take to get it all out here on Tumblr I don’t know... Because we are talking about more than 200 pages of text, and that’s without adding pictures. It’s also not all done, but I wanted to start posting it since it’s been so long since I began writing it. Anyways, I hope that answers your first question. :)
So let’s go to your second one.
Ask 6: Vmin as each other’s other half in songs
I mean, too convienient is not a phrase I would use. Because while I do agree that some things are planned, like the opposite images in Serendipity and Singularity for example, a lot of the things are too small to be... Well, there for fans to notice and be fabricated for a full on drama plot.
I think it’s a mix of intentional things and things that match because it’s coming from Vmin, if we speak about the song connections in general. Something like 4 o’clock being based on Vmin is naturally a result of Vmin’s bond, and not a hint for their bond so to speak.
But it’s kind of difficult for me to say yay or nay to this question because I think it depends on what we look at. In general some things do come from Big Hit, though I would say the smaller stuff are more likely from Vmin or simply coincidence in some cases. Either way I don’t think it’s too convienient because if it was meant to be something like a k-drama plot meant to engage fans then they completely failed as I have barely seen any ARMY talk about the connections, or even notice them to begin with.
That being said I also don’t think that Vmin are making connections for fans to find on purpose either, I think if the connections aren’t just coincidence they simply inspire each other and thus a lot of the connections would come rather naturally.
I hope my answer made sense. It makes sense in my head, but I wonder if it’s as clear to others what I mean. Sorry, and thank you again for your messages and questions.
Ask 7: Believers take out the fun of some fandom parts
Honestly I am so sad to see how much worse shippers (or believers) have started to behave in this fandom... Of course it’s nothing new, but even a few years ago it was a lot better and at least easier to escape. For me I decided to not engage with these people anymore, but if they come to you it’s of course difficult to let it go...
No shipper should tell another shipper to not ship, because as I have said many times before, it’s all about preference, and it should be totally ok to like different things. Anyways, it’s up to each individual to try to be the bigger person when these things happen. Because sadly I don’t think it will get any better anytime soon. I really wish we could just all enjoy our own ships and love BTS and leave it at that... Sorry anon, I feel your frustration, but I really don’t have any better advice than trying to avoid and ignore it if possible. 💜
Ask 8: You analysis hurts me and takes away my joy
I am sorry anon, that you feel this way... But this is the way I want to talk about Vmin and I think believing can be harmful and hurt you if you get too involved. I don’t doubt Vmin’s love for each other at all, and I also have no doubt that they are soulmates and have a very special bond. But stating they have to be romantic is in my opinion not something we can do. But that is my opinion and you are of course free to think differently.
That being said, I will continue to talk about Vmin in what if’s and speculations and not pretend like they have to be romantic and that is the only option, because that’s just not what I personally believe. I don’t want to make anyone feel bad, but I also don’t want to be a yes-sayer who speaks as if Vmin has to be in a romantic relationship simply because that’s what other Vminies want or believe in. I am trying to be careful and realistic because that’s just who I am. Sorry again anon, if my posts hurt you, maybe I am not the right blog for you. 💜
Ask 9: I don’t understand your analysis at all
I see the need to be responsible as a analysis writer, because I have seen the damage shipping can lead to after many years in many fandoms. And considering the amount of believers of different ships in this fandom someone will have to be wrong (if not all) and I rather be honest about that possibility, than convince someone through my theories that will then end up hurt if Vmin isn’t real.
If it makes others happy to believe in Vmin they can by all means choose to believe in them being real even if they read my analyses. I can’t stop anyone from doing that. But I do think it can be hurtful, and if one of Vmin end up dating someone else I don’t want someone who has read my blogs to feel like I have brainwashed them or something. All I am doing is trying to stay true to my own way of thinking while also not running with my theories as some absolute truth. Because they aren’t.
I am not forcing anyone to think the same way as I do, I just put out my own thoughts on this blog in a way that I feel that I can stand behind.
Ask 10: Jimin about “bromance”
I mean, personally, I also think they do fanservice and that Jimin is one that does it more than many of the others... That being said I don’t think I see fanservice the same way as most might. I don’t think fanservice = fake. I think there are different kinds of fanservice, and I think BTS stopped doing any type of fanservice that they don’t enjoy a long time ago.
I also think it’s a very big difference between saying Vmin IS fanservice, and Vmin DOES fanservice.
I think toxic fans saying whole relationships in BTS are fanservice are daft, because like you said it’s obvious that they all love and adore each other for real after all these years and after how much we have seen them and how they are together. But likewise I think someone who says BTS doesn’t do any fanservice at all is being a bit naive. If it’s an act of fun for the audience to enjoy it’s some type of fanservice in my opinion. Like this cute moment which was planned before hand for the fans:
There are just a lot of different kinds of fanservice in my opinion, and while you can say individual moments are “fake” or planned I don’t think that means it’s done to fool fans in any way or that it has to be seen in a negative way. Which is more the type of fanservice I interpret it as Jimin talking about, meaning the insincere and forced kind... So to me it’s more like he just stated he doesn’t like to fake things, or do things just to get a reaction, but he does things because he likes it and is comfortable with it as well.
It’s ok if you don’t agree with me on this though, I know fanservice is a rather hot topic. (I thought I had a post where I talk more in detail about different types of fanservice, but I couldn’t find it in the big mess that is my blog... Sorry. I do mention it a bit in HERE though if you are curious.)
Still, thank you for the ask, and YES!!! BTS seemed to miss ARMY a lot, and I can’t believe they sang Bulletproof The Eternal! And I also can’t believe Vmin will be getting married again for like the 100th time (actually I totally believe it) and I am very much looking forward to the coming Vegas concerts!
Seeing them all happy really brought so much happiness, especially after such a long break with less content. I’ve missed them more than I should admit.
Also soooo many cute Vmin moments! We are blessed and spoiled and I can’t believe we got 7 butt slaps, a very tender double hand holding and a new piggyback ride! 💜
Thank you all for reading, and I hope you got some joy out of it.
The first Ask: Reply of the year! I hope you all had a nice holiday and that your 2022 has started off on a happy note! 💜
As for me I am feeling a lot better after the break and after finally getting a new medicine that seems to work a lot better (just started it in late december so hopefully it will continue to work well). I want to say it feels good to want to write again and while I’ll likely keep a slower pace I am glad I am back to posting.
But enough about me, let’s get to your asks. :) There is going to be a lot on the same subjects today, for rather obvious reasons. Today’s topics will be:
Ask 1: Tae’s IG posts being about Jimin?
Ask 2: Matt Maltese song rec by Tae
Ask 3: Moon and stars Vmin IG pictures
Ask 4: Have you watched the Vmin live?
Ask 5: TAE READING VMIN HEART YOU
Ask 6: Vminies wanted a vlive but I’ve only seen other shippers comment
Ask 7: Your opinion on Vmin in LA and their vlive?
Ask 8: Don’t you think Vlive Vmin/kook was a bit embarrassed?
Ask 9: Opinion on the Vmin Vlive?
Ask 10: Why are Vmin so awkward in their recent Vlive...
Ask 11: ...Jimin didn’t even remember Tae’s leg injury.
Ask 12: Why did Tae only want to call JK in his live and not Jimin?
Ask 13: Jimin talks about JK. Does Jimin have nothing to say about what he does with Tae?
Ask 14: Vmin really be wildin’ in USA, aren’t they?
Ask 15: Vmin and Christmas songs
Ask 16: Tae and his “idols can have a love life too” attitude
Ask 17: A lovely message and how to join discord
Ask 18: Another sweet message
Ask 19: “Reading your content makes me feel all warmn and fuzzy”
Ask 20: “You are my motivation”
Ask 21: MY LOVE and toning down Vmin?
Ask 22: MY LOVE trolling?
Ask 23: “Bro but like romantically”
Ask 24: Happy new year and another lovely message
Let’s go!
Ask 1: Tae’s IG posts being about Jimin?
Hi @ninjathehusky and thank you for loving my posts and following me. :)
I don’t think I can say much on this actually, because to me this is too vague... I mean, I first of all don’t see why he would need to post things on IG for Jimin when he can just send him things. And secondly unless there is a repeating pattern or something special that might suggest a connection I rather just leave it as nothing. It’s just too easy to apply meanings to things that could be random if we start to think that everything has to mean something. So who knows, but I don’t personally think there is enough of a pattern to think he is posting for Jimin.
Maybe you meant a specific post of his? Either way I haven’t seen anything that really caught my Vmin eye except for the obvious old photoshoot with Vmin in the middle, and of course their first comments on each other’s first posts. :3
Ask 2: Matt Maltese song rec by Tae
Hi! As with the ask above I just don’t put much meaning into singular posts/song recs. I mean, first of all there are so many contradicting songs used by Tae that how can we know if any of them mean anything specific to him? (Unless every song means something and he flippy flops a lot...) It could just be a song that he likes, and I know I don’t only listen to songs that fit how I am currently feeling/living, so I don’t expect BTS members to either. English songs are even more difficult since I have no clue how often they check the translations of the songs. If he shared like 5 songs on the same topic, and if we perhaps saw other signs that allign with the sentiment in the song that’s a different story though.
For example, Tae recommennding a song about friends as a song to sing to a lover is interesting because we have seen him talk about friends as lovers before. Or Tae talking about Bruno Major’s Nothing being Jimin’s pick is interesting because he specifically mentions Jimin. But if it’s just a song out of many songs they might use/or recommend there isn’t much for me to speculate about.
So for now I don’t think there is enough for me to really say anything.
Ask 3: Moon and stars Vmin IG pictures
I do think it’s cute. :) In general the whole “me from the moon, you from the stars” just has such a romantic tone to it. I still can’t quite believe they put that in a song about their relationship. However, when it comes to posting photos of stars or the moon it’s kind of too generic to really add anything to it in a more “could this mean something” kind of way. If they did it at the same time then I would be more willing to side-eye it. But yes, it is cute.
Ask 4: Have you watched the Vmin live?
I have!! I’ve seen it twice, once without subs and then again with english subtitles. Plus some clips of Vmin that of course is everywhere and that I can’t help but watch every time I come across them. :P But I really need to watch it again, because it was just pure chaos and so cute and I honestly still can’t believe we finally got a Vmin(kook) vlive after all these years! 😭💜
But yeah, I really enjoyed it and it for sure had some interesting moments in it as well. 👀 I will talk about a few of these things further down in this post, but I am gonna need to watch it again!
Ask 5: TAE READING VMIN HEART YOU
I know!! I mean, after Lizzo they must already have known about Vmin (unless they actually did it before but just ignored it) but now for sure they know their ship name. Can you believe we got to hear Tae say Vmin? (Though the subs for some reason sepparated it to V MIN...). This whole vlive just gave me a lot of joy. MORE PLEASE!
Ask 6: Vminies wanted a vlive but I’ve only seen other shippers comment
Vminies have indeed wanted a vlive for a long time, especially after Jimin basically promised he would bring Tae “next time” and then didn’t follow through for over a year. I know that I and many other Vminies kind of lost it now that we finally got one. So maybe we were all just too busy enjoying it and being happy about it? Those are the type of comments I have seen from a lot of Vminies at least, just them being happy. And quite a few that also commented on them being a bit awkward and things like “now we know why Vmin doesn’t do vlives alone”.
As for “no comments on the topic” I guess you might mean more analytical types of opinions on it? I mean, I know I didn’t say much because it happened during my “break” and I can’t speak for why other Vminies haven’t said much... What I do know is that speaking on longer clips with a lot to unpack takes more time. So for me I can speak on it with some general ideas or thoughts but if I want to make a proper post about it I am gonna need the time to rewatch and take notes so that I can make something more like a proper analysis.
As for other shippers’ views I haven’t seen much at all, so I don’t know what insane and far from reality conclusions they might have come to. But I am sure most shippers will overanalyze this vlive to death and add their own spinn on it.
For me I rather not focus on what other shippers say, because it’s just a different perspective from mine, and by now I can already guess how it might be turned into proof for different ships. It doesn’t change reality though. If you want more of an opinion you might have to send me more details of what things other shippers were saying, because I won’t go look for it myself. (Though I won’t guarantee I can or will answer it since it depends on if I feel I can say something or not.) Still, thanks for the ask and sorry I couldn’t give more of an answer.
Ask 7: Your opinion on Vmin in LA and their vlive?
I can say my opinion. :) I thought it was great, and funny though a little awkward. But actually I probably thought is was a lot less strange and awkward than what I have seen people comment. I think we saw Vmin be Vmin, and I think most of the awkwardness came from them just not knowing what to do and say. Jimin also tends to get a bit caught of guard and giggly with things Tae says or does and we got that too... I really think generally speaking it was just great seeing the two of them alone together, even though they didn’t really seem to know what to fill their time with. ^^’’’
I was also happy to see maknae line together again, because it’s a rather underrated chaotic combination. This whole thing kind of reminded me of the old hide and seek video. With the three of them playing games and doing roleplay together. It was cute. :3
As for LA Vmin in general it was just A LOT! I am glad new ARMY finally got a taste of what Award ceremony Vmin usually is like, meaning them being clingy and looking like total boyfriends. If you’ve read my post Top 15 Vmin moments 2021 then you know I had to put LA Vmin on a spot of it’s own because of all the cute things we got. Honestly, LA Vmin spoiled us so much I am feeling extra lonely now during the break, even though we have already gotten some pretty nice Vmin moments. I guess that’s just what happens when we get an avalanche of moments during a short period followed by a lot less BTS.
Ask 8: Don’t you think Vlive Vmin/kook was a bit embarrassed?
Hi and I don’t personally felt that part you mentioned seemed particularly weird or that they seemed embarrassed. In fact I think it seems to be very normal and casual for Jimin and JK to mention the things they do together, which indeed seem to be very common. But I also think the fact that Tae was surprised to see JK open the room should be noted just as much as JK being there, and also Tae going to Jimin’s room randomly should be noted as well. In all honesty I think most shippers focus so much on just one side, aka. one ship, they lose sight of the full perspective. In this case I think Jimin talking about how JK often comes over and Tae mentioning it does of course mean it happens a lot, but I also think it shows it’s not that common. Considering Jimin’s own comment about “I wonder if he wants something urgent/important” and then also Tae’s comment on being surpised JK opened the door to Jimin’s room. Basically I think as usual shippers have too easily went with the one conclusion they want, while personally I think it’s just that some members get bored or lonely more easily, and some members are easier to approach basically whenever. Of course that’s just my guess and opinion. But to me the way Ji/kook behave is just what I expect from two very close people who have nothing to hide rather than a secret couple.
Either way, most of the embarrassment I saw when Vmin/kook were together was when they didn’t know what to do or say, and when brands were mentioned.
Ask 9: Opinion on the Vmin Vlive?
Thank you! I too hope that 2022 will bring a lot of Vmin and great things from BTS for all of us to enjoy! :) Again, I am not sure why other Vminies haven’t written much about it, but to me there is the timing, the issue of not having time and frankly I also don’t think there is that much to say that haven’t been generally noted by the fandom already.
I do of course have some thoughts and there were a few intresting moments for sure, but I actually do feel it has been brought up a lot in small general comments/posts/discussions, though perhaps not in any bigger analysis. Like the awkwardness, the giggling, Jimin’s soft voice, Jimin casually calling Tae teddybear, the Jimin cleaning his kimchi with his mouth and feeding it to Tae comment, the Christmas songs mentions, the Vmin/kook comparisons etc.
A lot of it was just rather obvious and talked about in general, so maybe that’s why? I really don’t know, but to me this Vlive kind of just showed us more of what many of us already expected from a Vmin vlive and a lot of things we have seen before.
Ask 10: Why are Vmin so awkward in their recent Vlive...
Honestly to me Vmin just seem to generally be a bit awkward when it’s just the two of them (I think we have quite a few examples by now), but considering how it can look I thought they did pretty well and this vlive wasn’t that bad. :P I think Jimin just gets a bit awkward and perhaps even embarrassed when Tae is being random, or unprepared. Like he can’t keep the fond giggling at bay. I also do think them not knowing what to do or talk about did add a lot to their awkardness too just like they said.
I think the one moment that really stood out to me was when Tae first mentioned that Jimin also did a Christmas song, because I do not know what there is to feel embarrassed or awkward about that. To me this was the moment that stood out to me as most “weird” in the vlive I think. Otherwise I think what is perhaps the most interesting here is that we get examples similar to other situations that could indicate some habits or reactions that Jimin does when he gets embarrassed. For example turning away, speaking more quiet, hiding his face, laughing or just in general being very preoccupied with random things like the lamp or “the night view is really nice.” The last one in particular REALLY reminds me of Jimin in BV4 when he and Tae chose a room together. Because Vmin shake hands and Jimin randomly walks off and comments on the nice view. Too me that always came off as Jimin being awkward or embarrassed (in a situation that should be perfectly normal), and now with a similar moment and comment I feel it even more. So to me this Vlive is more of new examples of things we have kind of seen before in different ways.
Anyways, I gotta say, I actually think Vmin, as in the interactions between the two, weren’t that awkward but that most (though not all) seemed to be about them not knowing what to say. However, again, we already know it is a repeating pattern by now that Vmin seem a bit awkward when alone, so this is kind of another example of that. Though it could and likely had to do with other things as well too, like not knowing what to say/not having done lives for a while.
Ask 11: ...Jimin didn’t even remember Tae’s leg injury.
No! Never ask me this question. Here go read this: Vmin “being distant”
Also correction, Vmin being awkward might be partly true, but it wasn’t that they didn’t know what to say to each other, they didn’t know what to say to ARMY. (That might actually be part of the problem for Vmin, that they don’t know how to talk to each other with ARMY there, but that is definitely more of a wild/delusional guess.)
And about the leg injury, Tae literally talked about it in his ending ment the same day. And just earlier in the live Jimin and Tae talked about working out, and Tae said “I really should start but it’s so hard” without mentioning his injury so I honestly just think it temporarily slipped Jimin’s mind due to the subject of working out probably being something they have mention before and also as it’s something Tae doesn’t really do but have expressed a want to start. I am sure Jimin knew about Tae’s leg, he probably just got a brain fart. Anyways, obviously people are free to make a big deal out of it, but I won’t.
Ask 12: Why did Tae only want to call JK in his live and not Jimin?
No! Never ask me this question. Here go read this: Vmin “being distant”
As for not wanting Jimin we don’t know that he didn’t want Jimin. He simlpy said he would ask for JK. Tae also held on to Jimin and asked him to stay in the vlive when Jimin said he would leave. So clearly Tae liked having him there or he wouldn’t have said he should stay to the end.
Why Tae asked for JK we can’t know but my theory is that JK is the easiest member to ask and the most likely to come. I think this is why he often shows up in other members lives. I think Jimin even said “it’s the easiest to ask the maknae” and we know JK gets easily bored, they even mention it in the live. So I think it makes total sense that most members would think of JK when asking someone to show up for a live without planning it beforehand.
Also, Vmin has a track record of being weird with being in each other’s vlives, but we have no idea why. But clearly it hasn’t reflected anything negative on their general closeness for the past 5 years, so why should it now?
Ask 13: Jimin talks about JK. Does Jimin have nothing to say about what he does with Tae?
Honestly, I don’t know. Ji/kook as usual are very clear and outspoken with how much time they spend together. As for Vmin we did get a few “earlier in the car” or “I already knew you enjoy whiskey” or “I went to Jimin’s room” but indeed, we rarely get to hear anything substantial of Vmin spending time together. Maybe they do boring stuff, maybe it’s private, maybe it’s just something that doesn’t happen as often. Either way I think we all have noted a ”lack” of Vmin stories, and also that it does seem they might be a bit private about it since it does happen that they spend time together, but they rarely elaborate on it.
What I did feel is that Jimin talked more “too Tae” about himself and perhaps that’s natural when including ARMY as a third part. Like they have to be clear and mention things in a way that ARMY understands too.
Lastly, I am not sure I would call it a “need” for Jimin to talk about his close contacts with JK, but he for sure seems to be very open with his time with JK compared to with Tae. I wish we got more stories about Vmin and their relationship and things they do together considering Jimin’s own comment:
In his own words they clearly can talk about “us” non stop. So why won’t they? Who knows. It¨s one of those things that I don¨t understand, especially considering their “best friends” label and that we do know they spend time together. Other members also seem to be perfectly fine with talking about the things they do together. So yeah. Weird, but we honestly don’t know the reason and can only guess.
Ask 14: Vmin really be wildin’ in USA, aren’t they?
Finally someone who took this live in a postive way and enjoyed it as it deserved to be enjoyed! Honestly I really liked these lives and I think we as Vminies should be so happy for what we finally got. Vmin in LA were wildin’ and giving us above and beyond what I expected! 💜
The Christmas song part though, like..... Is it just me or does it almost feel like just looking at Jimin makes Tae think of Christmas? ;P Ok, sorry I couldn’t help myself. But really, what are the odds of Tae bringing up both of their Christmas songs like this? He really wants me to side-eye him I think.
Yeah, well I think Tae just thinking about both their Christmas songs could be a coincidence.... But it’s also getting hard to just label everything as coincidences considering how it happens and how often it happens. I don’t know if there are any plans for more Vmin Christmas collabs though, I personally don’t think so. Though it does seem like Tae still might want it!
But looking at it in hindsight I also can’t help but wonder about “Christmas Tree”, because logically it feels like Tae must have known it would come out on Christmas day by the time of this live. He had definitely already made it by the time of the Vlive since it was only like a week before the first reveal of the song. I swear I never know with Tae if he is trolling us on purpose or not at times like this. Maybe that was also another reason for Jimin’s reaction? I honestly don’t know, but clearly Tae must have known about his own song, a song named Christmas Tree, being released soon as he once again brought up his own Christmas song, Jimin’s Christmas song and a notion (though some translates it differently) to make a song together.
I say it again, but the songs.... I can’t get over the coincidences, and the weird things. And especially Tae’s repeating pattern to bring it up alongside Jimin.
Someone kill me now before Tae fries my brain with his songs...
Ask 16: Tae and his “idols can have a love life too” attitude
I haven’t yet! 😭 But I really want to watch it, and the way you describe this scene seems very in line with my image of Tae.
What I can say is that I agree that Tae in general seems a bit tired of the dating topic, or rather that he seems to want to be able to express his love. Out of all members we know Tae is the most outspoken, and he has been blunt enough to say Sweet Night was a personal song and other similar moments. I think it’s safe to say Tae has or at the very least have had and/or wants a love life. And he is being more and more open about it too. Which sadly allows for more ARMY to get invasive about it. But perhaps it will in time make people accept the idea that Taehyung isn’t gonna stay single and is waiting to marry ARMY.
His lyrics are often romantic, the other members says he is the most romantic member, he really seems to want to share or have more than he can get at the moment and I feel so bad for them; that the idol culture is the way it is.
Taehyung is brave, and honest and I love him. (But I don’t expect to marry him).
Ask 17: A lovely message and how to join discord
Hi, and what an honor for you to join Tumblr for my sake. Thank you!! (Also there is nothing at all wrong with your English!)
As for joining the discord, as you say you can send a message, but if not then just send an ask like this with your username (not anon). I will then send a private message to you (I already have to you, but I am explaining in case someone else wonders as well.). <3
Ask 18: Another sweet message
Hi, and first of all I am so sorry for your loss. I lost my dad in 2020 and for me having BTS and Vmin, and this community, helped a lot as well.
I also want to say thank you so much for your kind message, and finding my posts thoughtful and insightful. Sadly there are a lot of conflicting views, and a lot of rather negative ones, out there about Vmin’s bond, but thankfully most of the fandom knows how much Vmin love and adore each other.
I am also amazed you found me through my youtube video, because I think it’s a first that someone saw the video and then came here and not the other way around. :3
As you know I’ve already sent the link to discord, but I still wanted to share your message. Thank you again. :)
Ask 19: “Reading your content makes me feel all warmn and fuzzy”
I totally relate to the “feeling warm and fuzzy” part while reading your ask anon. Thank you!
I don’t know why, but I always feel so happy hearing new ARMY find their way here. I don’t know how you stumbled upon my blog, but thank you so much for the kind words. Stay safe and happy, and I love you all so much as well. 💜
Ask 20: “You are my motivation”
Hi @ren36, and thank you. Your words made me tear up. I never expected to be named as someone’s motivation. 🥺 I can’t believe you would put me next to BTS like that. I don’t think I deserve this kind of praise, but thank you. Truly, your words have moved me and it’s hearing these lovely types of messages from you all that is my biggest motivation as well!
Ask 21: MY LOVE and toning down Vmin?
Thank you so much and HAPPY NEW YEAR and well wishes right back to you! 💜
MY LOVE.... Aaaah, just reading it fills me with a certain warmth. :3
I do think it’s possible that Namjoon copied if for “Vmin reasons” but as I said in Happy birthday “my love”! I am not sure it makes that much of a difference if Namjoon (and Hobi) copies it when it’s already been said. I mean, of course many ARMY saw it as some inside joke, but I don’t think it was a big deal enough to get directions from the company to do damage control. More likely I think it was Namjoon’s own idea, no matter if it was just trolling or to deflect a bit of the attention.
Tae asking Jin to post a specific photo could of course be something to tone down the “it clearly looks like a off time photo” from Jimin, but I also think if I remember correctly that Tae has asked Jin to post specific photos before? Either way it’s really just speculation one way or another. But in my opinion this tweet is nothing new or that much “worse” compared to many things we have seen before. Including their mushy birthday wishes/letters to each other and even Tae calling Jimin “my love” before as well. It was incredibly cute though, and I live for Vmin using these types of labels for each other.
Ask 22: MY LOVE trolling?
It is sad. How would it be trolling anyways? Who wouldn’t like to get called someone’s love? (Or get someone’s love?) Let’s ignore the boring people who needs reasons for Vmin to not genuinely express their love in the most ridiculous and endearing ways. One would think the fandom would have realized this is a very regular thing with Vmin by now...
Ask 23: “Bro but like romantically”
Yeah, he truly is!! And we got the message alright. And I am sure Tae did too! ;)
For real though, non Vminies acts like the bro makes any of their behavior less sweet, but it really doesn’t. Also if any part of that messsage was some kind of BTS inside joke the bro is it, not the MY LOVE part. :P
Ask 24: Happy new year and another lovely message
Happy New year! I know the later half of the year has been a bit empty on my part, but I am so glad you guys are enjoying my posts. It really means the world to me to get positive feedback and comments like this. 💜
Being a dedicated Vminie isn’t difficult at all though. They caught me right away when I joined the fandom back in 2016 but I could never have predicted then that this is what I would be doing now. By now I keep writing thanks to your love and support, but loving Vmin never was and never will be hard. 💜
Thank you for all the asks, and as usual I only answered a fraction of what I have gotten... But I tried to at least get all asks on the same topics covered. I aslo added a lot of sweet messages from you, because I like coming back to read them and I think you all should know how much I appreciate all your love and support for me and this blog.
I hope you had fun reading, and again, let’s hope for a lovely 2022! We are sure off to a great start! I purple you all! 💜
So, I’ve been on a bit of a break, mostly for my own health and inability to do, well... most things, for a while. But I’ve missed being here, even if the break has been really good and I am glad I did it. Likely I will also post in a slower pace from now on as well. But I am glad you all have sent me nice messages and have been understanding even if you have missed my posts.
Here are the topics of this post. You’ll notice they are all fairly ”old”. :P
Ask 1 - Manipulating content
Ask 2 - New army who wonders about Vmin and their stiffness
Ask 3 - BTS, Universe and LGBT+
Ask 4-6 - My Universe with Vmin perspective
Ask 7 - More about Lizzo and the shirt
I felt it was time to answer some asks again, and some of these replies are actually written months ago, but I never finished posting it. Still, I hope you’ll have an interesting read. :)
Ask 1 - Manipulating content
Hi, and thank you for this ask, it’s a very important topic. I think it goes for all content though, as a lot of the time shippers might 1. Not watch original content at all or to a lesser extent and only see clips of their own ship. or 2. Focus and see the shipping content so much more they simply forget or can ignore the original context.
Of course it might be even worse if the content is difficult to get a hold of and it will mean it’s harder to check for those that want to.
I also saw general accounts miss the part about it being a joke at first, it took a while for it to spread. (Thankfully the clip had japanese subtitles so I didn’t have to wait for translations, but I know it took a while and that even ot7 translators seemed to miss the last part about it being a lie).
I mean, I think either way this whole conversation is very cute and light hearted and should not be used as some weird way to show Vmin doesn’t get along. We know they have talked about fighting before, and that they were super close as trainees/early years but also fought more because they were close. They have basically said similar things before, but it’s clear they don’t think it was something negative. Also, it just makes no sense if you think Vmin are pushed by Big Hit as close, for them to casually talk about fighting or make jokes like this... You really have to have a predetermined negative view to see this as something bad.
As for other shippers (or antis), I just wish they would stop getting involved in other ships than their own as a way to highlight themselves as superior...
Sadly, most shippers to various degrees manipulate/enhance moments in their own favor. All I can do is hope that people actually watch original content, and also take everything from a shipper with a grain of salt (and that includes me). They will be biased no matter if it’s intentional or not. But obviously we sadly see a lot of these examples with an explicit agenda to make a ship or member look bad. And we know these things work, making people doubt Vmin’s closeness or worry about them etc. So yeah, it’s a scary thing and I hope people being aware might help at least a little bit. If you watch shipping content and end up changing your view from before you watched shipping content you might want to be careful.
Ask 2 - New army who wonders about Vmin and their stiffness
Hi Simon, welcome to the fandom (no matter if you consider yourself ARMY or not) and thank you for your ask. What a cute way to get into BTS, by finding Friends. :)
I can say that even being a shipper I also don’t understand some of Vmin’s behavior. It’s honestly one of the weirdest things about them, that as you say they seem to have some contradictions in their behaviors. I wrote about this a long time ago in my post Vmin - Push and Pull. That was just me guessing, and wondering why Vmin sometimes seem super close, and other times seem almost stiff or awkward or even nervous.
My view is that while Jimin and Taehyung are super close, consider each other soulmates and both are very physically intimate people, there are moments when they seem unsure. When Jimin get nervous or pushes Tae away, or when Taehyung gets stiff or hesitates to initate touch with Jimin. For me it’s odd to see two people who can cuddle or do a lot of intimate things with both each other and other members sometimes act like it’s a big deal or get awkward over things that doesn’t seem like they should matter.
For me I think Jimin is a person who likes having control, and I think Taehyung is the most unpredictable member. So perhaps it’s as simple as it not being on Jimin’s terms having him act nervous which in turn has lead to Taehyung initiating less with Jimin, compared to other members. Still, to me it doesn’t seem to be consistant, and I think it’s possible Vmin’s odd push and pull could be a result in them not being sure about what is ok or not. Thus if they overthink we might see reactions to moments that shouldn’t be a big deal. That’s just my theory.
I see no point in them lying about being close, and especially Tae who always emphasis on being honest and doing a lot of things his own way no matter what, I trust his feelings and gushing about Jimin. I also know they have plenty of super intimate moments where they seem to not care at all, and almost forget the rest of the world around them. As well as reports from backstage moments we have never gotten to see. So it seems weird their “stiffness” or awkwardness wouldn’t be consistant if it was truly them not liking or wanting to do some things, like initiating skinship. It could I suppose be context of each moment leading to their reactions as well, like where they are or mood for example. But it does seem to happen quite a lot, and I would probably say it seems like a behavior at this point rather than just coincidence each time.
It’s interesting that you have noted this behavior even without being a shipper though, makes me feel like maybe it’s not just me over analyzing things. Still, there could be other reasons I fail to think of... But in the end to me it looks like Vmin might hold back and be a bit unsure at times, and other times are completely fine and don’t think about their actions at all. This is one of the biggest questionmarks Vmin raises to me, and why I wonder if they might have something to be careful about, unlike other pairs in the group.
Ask 3 - BTS, Universe and LGBT+
Hi, @cottoncandykings and thank you for this ask. :)
First let’s look at what Christ said about Universe.
Chris Martin on working with BTS: “We really don’t believe in any boundaries or separation of anything really, and so the song My Universe is about someone being told they can’t love a certain other person, or can’t be with this race, or they can’t be gay - whatever it might be.
And we thought, it would be good to sing this with BTS because maybe we're not supposed to be together. And it turned out to be one of the most fun things ever. I went to Korea to be with them, it’s been amazing.”
I think it’s great, and I love that it’s a openly lgbt+ supportive song, even though the lyrics can match for any kind of prejudice that gets in the way of love. I wish this would be a sign of BTS showing more support openly, but I don’t really think it is. But I hope.
Honestly, I feel like this isn’t that much “more” than other things BTS has done... I mean, Stigma for example for sure could be LGBT+, but it’s not stated anywhere and it can match other struggles as well. As for BTS we have had them talking about LGBT+ before, like in the Billboard interview from 2018 Which is more openly supportive. You can see Namjoon kind of hesitating but at least Yoongi was very blunt about it.
They have also talked about other things for example mentioning gender at the UN speech, the “we don’t have time for boyfriends or girlfriends“ or of course being fans and even making covers/recomendations of several LGBT+ artists/songs/movies etc. But in general they are rather vague about it.
As for Universe and Chris Martin I am glad he said that and that the song represents this and BTS are involved. But I do think it makes a big difference that it was Chris that said it and not BTS. I think we can all agree BTS are allies at the very least, but their soft power and the homophobia in Korea is likely making it more difficult for them to be outspoken. I personally wish they would do more because I think it would make a big difference, but I also understand that sadly it’s a risk with the current political climate in Korea (and sadly amongst many other fans outside of Korea too) and with the political power BTS has.
But let’s hope. We know the world is slowly changing (though way too slow), so maybe they can become more openly supportive too, because I am sure if they did they would help change the world faster.
Ask 4-6 - My Universe with Vmin perspective
I got a few more asks about My Universe (I removed the name on one because it seems they sent a second one with anon on), and I thought I should add the Vmin “perspective” on top of what I covered in the previous reply.
To be honest I also feel this song “fits” the Vmin narrative very well, but considering a lot of BTS songs does it all makes it very amibigous even with Vmin’s own songs. Like I mentioned in my series Vmin song analysis - Winter in August it’s definitely possible I am just reading way too much into things.
The similar themes in other songs by BTS (or even TXT) could point at me over analyzing and just finding things I can make fit because I want to. That’s why that whole post (Winter in August) is actually better to take with a grain of salt in a Vmin perspective, even though I do think some things are very significant both for Vmin but in particular Taehyung.
Anyways, back to My Universe. As you all mention the lyrics do match very well with a lot of the themes we have seen in Vmin’s songs, and it having a specific message to include struggles of the LGBT+ community is of course not to be ignored.
However, I very much doubt Chris Martin wrote a song with Vmin in mind, so while there are several themes and lines that match Vmin very well, and with their earlier songs too, I personally won’t go into much detail about the song. Rather I will just name it as a good “Vmin song” in the way it fits them well, and then of course be happy and hopefull this will mean BTS can start to be more open with LGBT+ support in some ways.
Thank you all for the asks though, I can’t blame you for seeing the “Vmin” in the lyrics, because I did as well as soon as I heard the song and read the lyrics.
Ask 7 - More about Lizzo and the shirt
Hi, I actually already talked about this in my post Ask: Reply - 2021.09.23. Maybe you missed it, or maybe you wanted more of an opinion on how it might be from Vmin’s perspective?
Since you mention Vmin keeping a low profile I thought I might leave my two cents on that in particular. The things is that while Vmin might keep some things more “private” or possibly seem to avoid being shipped (of course this is my assumption and not something we know), they are not really keeping a low profile. I mean, if they were they wouldn’t have released “Friends”.
I think Vmin are possibly keeping some things a bit “lowkey” and might even avoid certain things or situations. But they are very out there with their love for each other and they are by no definition a hidden or discreet relationship. The whole world literally know they consider each other best friends and soulmates.
What Vmin are careful with (if they are) is being seen in a romantic light.
Lizzo wearing a ship name shirt is certainly not something I liked, and I am not sure how it would make Vmin feel to see it. But I don’t think it will change much or would be considered a “fail”. If anything it shows how much both Vmin and Vminies/fans can get away with and do compared to ji/kookers or tae/kookers.
Most people just saw it as her having “good taste” and finding it fun. Likely because the word Vmin, while being a ship name, is considered as simply talking about Vmin. Platonic or not. And since Lizzo also talked about how much she likes Vmin’s friendship it’s likely fine. People don’t see her as a shipper and thus her talking about liking Vmin is basically the same as choosing a bias.
Anyways, since Vmin are already so accepted as platonic soulmates by the fandom, and also Lizzo’s liking of them being about their friendship, this might get Vmin some extra attention, but it will be in the same light as they and Big Hit have highlighted themselves. Two best friends and soulmates.
Vmin has grown a lot since Friends was released, both as a ship and as a platonic friendship fans adore. I really don’t think the problem would be about getting attention on their bond, as long as the view remains mainly platonic. And this goes no matter if Vmin would actually be real or not.
Of course we have also seen BTS talk about this, and how she likes Vmin in particular, and they all seemed to have fun enough with her at the Harry Styles concert, so while I think she might be a bit “out there” with her bias and wouldn’t want people to follow her example, at least they don’t seem too bothered with it. (Though Tae and Jimin seemed a bit awkward with being pointed out as favorites in that interview I don’t think they felt badly about it.) It also seems it got Vmin to know about Vmin so... Honestly Iam a bit scared if they start to acknowledge Vmin as a unit name instead of 95z. ^^’’’
Thank you for the ask, and I hope I understood your question right.
Also I know these asks might not have been the ones you are the most curious about right now. I have sooooo many asks left, and as you know there are A LOT of BIG THINGS that have happened since my break... I mean, a Vmin Vlive? Just Vmin in LA in general? The IG accounts? The song Taehyung posted? I don’t know if I will ever be able to catch up with it all. :P Anyways, I wanted to get this out of my drafts as it’s been there so long (I’ve changed the date in the title 3 times already the first being from october.) I hope you had fun reading anyways. Thank you all for waiting so patiently.
I also want to say THANK YOU and how happy I am that so many of you wanted to join the Discord and are enjoying it so much. It makes me really happy to see.
It’s been a wild couple of days for us Vminies hasn’t it? I haven’t answered asks in a full Ask: Reply post in a while, but I feel like there were a few asks I wanted to reply to so I decided to make one. It might be a bit rushed and short, but I hope you’ll enjoy it anyways.
Today’s topics will be:
Ask 1 - Lizzo and Vmin
Ask 2 - BTS and James Corden (cancel culture)
Ask 3 - Taehyung scrapped his mixtape
Ask 4 - Bi visibility and a cute memory
Ask 5 - Tae can’t stop looking at Jimin in the Vlive
Ask 6+7 - Spring Day analysis comments
Ask 1 - Lizzo and Vmin
So, first off I am rather happy that Lizzo loves Vmin and has praised their close bond and friendship so much. I always enjoy it when others see Vmin’s love for each other. As for the shirt with Vmin written on it though...
I do personally think this is a iffy case... I can only imagine what might have happened if her shirt had said any of the two big ships. And honestly I don’t think it should be different just because is happens to be Vmin, but I also have to acknowledge that it is. The one thing saving this situation is how most of the fandom love Vmin platonically, and that Lizzo has been clear it’s in a platonic way she likes them too.
Personally I feel the use of ship names has been blurred for a long time now, and even more so since BTS themselves casually use ship names for their duos at times. I mean, to be fair tae/kook came directly from them and we also have mini/moni etc. being used basically as unit names.
For Vmin within and from BTS their unit name is of course 95z, and in Korea it’s much more distinct between using Vmin/MinV or 95z where Vmin is meant as the ship and 95z meant as the duo. In the international fandom however, this is not the case. At least not anymore. People use Vmin just as much to refer to them as a unit as they do a ship, if not more.
Using a ship name in official matters like BBC Radio 1 or for example interviews etc. still feels very weird though. Think Brangelina instead of Brad and Angelina. The focus is different, and the implications used to be romantic. But again, things have changed. And while I find the change a bit difficult and even problematic in some cases, it’s just the way language works.
I don’t think that ship names should be used in front of the boys or in offical stuff unless it comes from themselves. And that’s because the implication will always be a bit ambigous. Luckily Lizzo has talked about Vmin’s friendship and been clear she isn’t a shipper, and that in combination with Vmin being mostly loved and accepted as platonic soulmates by ARMY, I think this time it hasn’t stirred up too much problems. I also think it’s a bit weird for her to showcase such an obvious bias towards certain members in a performance in general.
Anyways, yeah... I am pretty sure Vmin will see this, and while I also think they surely must know Vmin is their ship name by now, I also hope they don’t feel awkward with this.
Basically, I am happy Lizzo loves Vmin, but I would have liked it better if she didn’t show it in this particular way or if she at least used 95z. I don’t think she knows a lot about shipping and how it works, so I feel her intentions being innocent also helps it from being seen as a bigger issue. The little rap she did I felt was more ok, because while she used the ship name there too it wasn’t anything official. That’s also why BBC1 tweeting it also felt a bit weird... and almost inappropriate.
Anyways, the meaning of shipping is changing, and thus the use of ship names etc. changes too... I can’t help but feel it’s actually a little bit unfair that this is getting a pass by the fandom at large (though I am thankful for it as well in this case) when I know that if that top had ji/kook or tae/kook written on it all hell would break lose.
I still remain of the opinion to keep ship names or any ship agendas away from the boys and places where they can see them. In Lizzo’s case I see it as “ignorance” about shipping culture (and the shipwars) and her earlier claiming them as BFFs and expressing her love for their friendship is what allows it to pass.
Her being famous and talking specifically about Vmin and their friendship of course also gives more attention put on them. This is something that makes them trend and that will get articles written about it kind of happening. So while it does show Vmin in a great light, and also normalizes their ship name, I do think it was rather clumsy and would rather that she didn’t do it. But I am sure it’s not going to change much in the end... It’s more like a clear sign how things are changing and shifting, and how the line between shipper and fan will get more blurry as time goes.
Sorry for this long reply, it’s a topic I have a lot of opinions on long before this happened, so I might have let some of those feelings out here. Thank you for the ask, hope you found my ponderings interesting.
Ask 2 - BTS and James Corden (cancel culture)
So, from one celeb to another... I think this might be a very divisive topic. All in all I agree with you. First of all, thanks for the ask and thanks for thinking of me as sensible.
I also think he is being dragged unnecessarily for this. Now to be fair I have not seen the full original clip, so of course my stance is a bit lacking. But in general I think that fans of many fandoms (but also ARMY especially since there are so many of us) tend to do a few things too quickly. One is judging harshly, and the other is canceling.
It’s rather a quick and black and white way to react that I in general have a hard time with. It doesn’t allow for any mistakes (even unintentional ones) or a chance to explain nor lead to change if someone truly did something wrong.
In this case I also think his intention was not in a degrading way, but I can also see why so many reacted to it considering the stigma that is already there working against young female fans of anything.
But we also know that James Corden is aware that BTS’s fanbase is diverse and he might even include himself in that category, though perhaps not an ARMY, but as a fan and as a person who knows that BTS are big for a lot of reasons. Watching him and John Cena talk and all the other times he has talked with and met BTS themselves while certainly partly played up (as all hosts) you can tell he’s not looking down on them or ARMY just by the fact that he talks about them in a positive light. (He doesn’t for example jump on “ARMY attacking” this woman etc. Or at leas that’s something I felt watching it.)
In his segment I wish fans instead would have focused on him saying “BTS visited the UN… Although lots of people are saying why are BTS there, the world leaders have no choice but to take BTS seriously.”
I agree it’s unfortunate that he played into the stereotype of “15 year old girls” as it’s a sensitive topic, but I also do think he thinks BTS and ARMY are valid and should be taken seriously. The format of the show is built on jokes... Like you said, I think people took this way out of proportion. In the end I don’t think the intention is to “use BTS for clout” or “to dismiss the fandom as 15 year old girls”. But again, I can’t truly fault people for feeling that way about it.
Thus I rather think the response from upset ARMY is a bigger part of the problem here. Because no matter if James actions were unnesseccary or not I do think intent should matter. And I do think that fans over reacting is in the end more harmful than helpful. There are better ways to go about it than attacking and dragging. Because while I do think this image of BTS fans are all young girls is incorrect, I also think we should realize that a majority of the fandom are young girls, and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, there is a lot of power in this fandom. And saying a fandom has power while also acknowledging it by expressing that a large portion of it consist of girls (or LGBT+, or young people etc.) should also be a good thing. I mean, yes, BTS’s ARMY comes in all shapes and sizes, but why does it have to be seen as an insult that many of ARMY are young women?
Anyways, sorry, I feel I am straying quite a bit and I know this is really messy... I just feel that sometimes some fans shouldn’t be so quick to jump on the cancel train. In general, but in particular when the intent doesn’t seem to be bad.
Ask 3 - Taehyung scrapped his mixtape
Indeed he did... And the odds are there are many songs that will never see the light of day. I really wish he would release them, but I also understand him wanting to release things he feels confident and proud over.
From @BTStranslation_ on twitter:
This obviously makes me sad, because I would literally love more or less whatever he chose to put out. It also means we might not get that “continuation of 4 o’clock” (unless it was Blue & Grey or if it’s one of the songs he is keeping). But either way I just want him to be happy with it. And if scrapping 12 songs is what it takes, that’s of course up to him... Still, no matter what Tae will give us in the end I am sure we will like it. I also suspect it will be interesting to analyze no matter if there is the “like 4 o’clock” song on it or not. Thanks for the ask, and let’s hope he doesn’t give up all together. I am willing to wait for him if time is what he needs to make it right. <3
Ask 4 - Bi visibility and a cute memory
Thank you love, for loving my blog and for your ask. Bi visibility is honestly so important and I am glad you felt like sharing your little story with me.
(Jimin looks good sporting the Bi colors, doesn’t he?)
I think this is completely valid to be happy about and no I don’t think it makes you delusional. Even if it is completely unintentional from Jimin there is nothing wrong with feeling happy about it and wishing for it to have meaning. Sometimes it’s the small things we cling to. And while it doesn’t always have the intention the happiness is valid.
Personally I also feel like BTS are using these colors a lot, and I even wrote a piece on it before Vmin - Pink, Blue and purple. So if you are being delusional about it then so am I. Not to mention, even without the intention from BTS themselves is sparks conversations within the fandom, and that’s a good thing all on it’s own too.
Of course we can’t know if it’s done on purpose, but we can’t be at fault for hoping that it is. <3
Have a nice day, and HAPPY BI VISIBILITY DAY!
Ask 5 - Tae can’t stop looking at Jimin in the Vlive
Oh my, this vlive was totally not cooparating with them. In the end we got the prerecored one though. I haven’t watched it in full yet, but wow do I love the Vmin in it. Of course the handholding had to happen, and of course Tae had to tease Jimin about the “I’m sorry” from his speech several times. T-T
I don’t know about Tae being toned down when they came back but what we got definitely showed how attentive Tae is when it comes to Jimin, and really how he adores him so much. <3
I also know Tae/jin and Tae/kook shippers got some good moments out of it, and even used the same “Tae can’t take his eyes off him” type of gushing, but even so... Tae really couldn’t take his eyes off Jimin could he? So sweet. I think what got me the most was how he kept looking at him for so long when he wasn’t even really doing much. And how he turned his head to follow Jimin when he stood up. And just the smile he couldn’t keep off his face.
(Sad to say the gifs didn’t want to work.)
Anyways, really cute and once again just another example of Tae once again showing how much he adores Jimin. The doubters really should realize their logic makes no sense. 95z is love, and that love keeps going strong. <3
This week and the amount of Vmin has hopefully brought some happiness to us all. Sadly I know it will be forgotten again soon enough and the antis will come creeping back. But what can we do, it’s their loss if they can’t see and enjoy Vmin’s love for each other.
(Also, that Yeontan talk... Vmintan family agenda lives on.)
Thank you for the ask. :)
Ask 6+7 - Spring Day analysis comments
Thank you both for your lovely words. I am so glad to hear you enjoyed it. It really means a lot, because I really put a lot of time and effort into it, and it kind of makes me even more protective and proud over it.
I’ve been worried that the post was perhaps too long and too messy for you to read it and like it. I think considering how low the interactions for my posts Vmin analysis - 4 o’clock and Vmin song analysis - Winter in August has been I am probably going to shorten my format of analysing posts from now on.
As for the theme of snow/winter and why I didn’t talk about it (even if I mentioned it briefly in my post Let’s BTS - Vmin analysis) it is because it doesn’t have any obvious direct connections between Vmin. Unlike for example night where we have many examples of them being up late together to wishing each other good night. Mostly they have talked about liking winter on their own, and I didn’t have enough examples of them doing it (Ji/kookers have kind of made Jimin’s love for winter a thing for their ship with their own moments as well) and thus I felt it wasn’t big enough to mention in relation to Vmin specifically.
Anyways, yes, there are always things in my song analysis I chose not to talk about for various reasons. @cottoncandykings‘ other example too shows this. As you said their more officials songs are always a bit “less” interesting to talk about since it’s more ambigous how much is from themselves. Still interesting, but simply more difficult to know if it’s based on their own feelings or ideas.
Thank you so much again, for liking the analysis and for sending me these messages. <3
I had a lot of other asks I wanted to talk about (and also several I don’t want to talk about), but since I wanted to get this out today I decided to cut it short. I hope you had a fun read even if some parts were a bit rushed.
(Also how cute was Tae lifting Jimin up from the floor in today’s Run behind?)
That’s it for today. Let’s enjoy all the good Vmin moments we have gotten this week. <3
It’s been a while since I answered a lot of asks, and honestly last time kind of took a toll on me. I really didn’t expect the responses I got. But, alas there will always be a lot of different opinions and all I am doing is sharing mine. So, I felt it was time to do another round of asks and I hope you’ll find this post interesting but know that I am simply expressing my thoughts, opinions or guesses about various topics.
Here are the topics I will go through this time:
Ask 1 - Discredit Vmin moments and what makes Vmin different?
Ask 2 - Thoughts on PTD and how some complain about BTS’s sound.
Ask 3 - PTD, Butter or Dynamite?
Ask 4 - PTD reaction and cut
Ask 5 - “Vmin initiate handshakes when one of them is feeling kissy”
Ask 6 - Update on analyses
Ask 7 - BTS room changes
Ask 8 - The PTD dance practice “grab”
Ask 9 - Vmin roleplay as significant others
Ask 10 - Tae leaning in
Ask 11 - Vmin slow dancing (hard to not be delulu)
Aks 12 - Other ships and why do I still choose Vmin? (This ask made me laugh)
There are some questions about music and songs this time which I found really fun! Let’s get started! :)
Ask 1 - Discredit Vmin moments and what makes Vmin different?
Thank you so much for loving my blog and welcome to the ARMY. :)
I’ve talked about both these topics before in a lot of different posts, and of course it’s all very subjective and personal as to why people might think or see things differently, but I go through my own main theories and thoughts in these posts:
I ship Vmin. and Why do you think the fandome brozone Vmin so much?
I would say the friendzoning and the discrediting of Vmin as a ship has a lot of various and rather complex reasons behind it (both on individual levels and as to how the general community view them), and also that with time the image of them as best friends has been cemented and blocks a lot of people from seeing their moments as something else. I also think other shippers and the biggest ships in the fandom having Vmin as a direct obstacle has lead to it being easier to just make Vmin platonic.
I also recomend reading my post Normalizing Vmin or “Vmin” since I think there is (or at least should be) a significant difference in how people view Vmin as a ship vs them as real people.
As for your question about what makes Vmin different, it’s not going to be something anyone can easily touch upon, and everyone will have their own views and biases. Not to shoot you down, but basically all shippers think their ship has something special about them. That’s just the way it is and we all have our own preferences and reasons for why we fall for certain dynamics.
What I can say is that Vmin themselves, as well as other members and even sometimes staff, seem to also consider Vmin special. After all the label of soulmates is quite a huge statment. Not to mention the other things they have said and done. Even another line in Friends “We are each other’s mystery. Is that why it’s even more special.” clearly they are special to each other and even they seem to have a hard time clearly express why. But they are, and we as fans can clearly see it and how much they mean to each other.
If we talk what makes Vmin different to me compared to other ships then there are the shipper reply (just my feelings and preference) and then the analytical reply (why Vmin is more suspicious and why I think they would have a bigger chance to be real than other pairs). And some things that are a mix of both. I also talked about my reasons why Vmin is standing out to me before HERE in a previous ask.
It’s a very big question, because in the end all BTS ships and dynamics are fundamentally “different” from each other. So a lot is just based on what you tend to focus on or put more weight to.
For me personally I have my reasons, like loving “my the best friend is also my lover” type of relationships, and then the interpretations of Vmin’s relationship that I find interesting and the theories are a sort of secondary layer to why they stand out. But most of all I just see a lot of love and a very intimate and precious bond between them that I can’t help but adore no matter what kind of love there is. Not that I don’t see love between other members, but I simply ended up falling harder for Vmin’s bond and after watching many members dynamics find Vmin more interesting.
Vmin are easy to love though, aren’t they? Thank you for the ask and I hope you’ll enjoy being in the fandom <3
Ask 2 - Thoughts on PTD and how some complain about BTS’s sound.
First things first, yes I have seen this reaction many times. And in particular when there has been a bigger difference in how the previous song/album sounded. In particular I remember when DNA came out and people didn’t like it because it was “too happy pop” and they wanted more “old BTS”, when the title track before DNA was Not today, and before that Spring Day. Same thing when IDOL was the track after Fake Love. Like, BTS tries a lot of different things all the time, and that’s also how they keep being relevant and are interesting to so many different people. Because they aren’t doing the same songs over and over and are curious to try new things. To me the times we get more “pop” or “bright” songs or concepts it seems to be a lot of “BTS can do better/I like their eariler sounds more” reactions. But they probably forget what a diverse discography they have. Recency bias is probably partly to blame. And of course if someone became a fan after a certain song they might like that sound and want more of it.
As for people unstanning because of a song or concept that’s just their loss. I know a lot of people who follow artists and then lose interest and that’s completely their own choice. It’s a bit weird in my opinion to turn away from a group because of a song or even an album having a different sound, but all the same if they want to unstan then let them. Basically fans will come and go and with as big a fanbase as ARMY of course not everyone will like the same things. That’s as you say one of the appeals with BTS, that so many genres and types of music can be found, which means all kinds of fans kind find something to enjoy.
As for my own thoughts I hope to not offend anyone, but I think PTD might be my least favorite title track from BTS in a very long time (gonna have to update my ranking). So it’s not like I don’t understand some of the criticism of the song. Personally I think it’s quite generic and has applied autotune in a weird way to the point where some of their voices blend together. I am not saying it’s bad, and it’s certainly a happy song and something that gets stuck in my head quickly (I also incidentlly love the Vmin bridge a whole lot though). But in my title track ranking it will place very low, simply because I like other BTS songs a lot more.
Something I also feel is that fans need to be allowed to not like everything BTS (or any artist does), but of course the way you express it is going to make a big difference.
I also think that the three English songs BTS has done; Dynamite, Butter and Permission to Dance, are all lyrically less complex and don’t feel as connected to BTS than most of their Korean songs. That doesn’t have to mean they are “bad songs” though. There are plenty of simple songs that I love, but if it’s important to someone with complex or deep lyrics that’s based in their own taste and should be ok too. Again, not to say they can just hate on it or say “it’s universally bad”, but there is also not really any point in saying they can’t be dissapointed or dislike it. It’s all opinions right?
For me the whole is something that creates a song, and sometimes lyrics will be more important, but a lot of the time it’s honestly just the music and how much I “vibe with it”. But I also know that’s based on my taste and own likes... My opinion is one out of millions, and there are good ways and bad ways to express your opinions. Anyways, my point is that even thought I love BTS I am not the biggest fan of EVERY SONG they make. Now it happens that the latest song is further down on my list than some of the ones before it. But I also remember that ON and Black Swan (some of my own personal favortie title tracks) were just a little over a year ago and that BE had a lot of very different and great songs, so even if I personally is not the biggest fan of every new song every time I know there will be new things to look forward to.
BTS are some of the best artists and song makers I’ve ever seen and I trust them to make many more great songs. I am 100% confident BTS will keep trying new things and give us different kinds of songs, mixed with more familiar sounds. Not everyone will like every song and that’s ok, but it is indeed frustrating when people forget how different BTS can sound and how recency bias makes fans react so strongly to the latest songs if they happen to not be their own taste.
So in short, yes these kinds of thoughts have basically always been around, and I think it’s just easier to ignore it. I also think if people don’t like it and express it in nice ways that should be ok too... And then if they decide to unstan for these reasons It’s their own loss anyways.
Ask 3 - PTD, Butter or Dynamite?
I usually need some time for a song to “settle” unless it’s an instant love. For example BST, Don’t leave me, ON, Love yourself: Answer or Mikrokosmos were instant loves for me while I’m fine, Home, EGO or Lights took longer for me to love. Like I need to listen actively before I start to like some songs more... All three of these English releases have been kind of “meh” for me at first listen, with Butter being the one I liked the most from the start. But as time passes I’ve come to like Dynamite more and more, so that might also happen with the other two songs. Permission to Dance is kind of super catchy so I might listen to it more as time passes. I am definitely bopping along to PTD so it might grow on me. ;P
What I am saying is that it’s a bit unfair to compare at the moment, and I might change my mind in the future. That being said the current ranking is probably: Butter> Dynamite> PTD.
Also, I like all songs, and I listen to them, but none of them are in my favorites of BTS’s discography and likely never will be. (They might honestly not even make my top 50 BTS songs list but that’s just because BTS are that great at making great songs.) I also have some parts in each song I love more or less, but as a whole I just based this on what song I am most likely to listen to more often.
Ask 4 - PTD reaction and cut
I finally got to watch it, and first of all the way Vmin had to touch and how Tae once again compliments Jimin for the most random thing... T-T
(Thank you again @vminforlife for the gif)
I for sure noticed the cut. But the cut is so short and they all seem to look basically the same so I am not sure why they would have to cut away like 2 seconds. They also cut in a few other places... I don’t know. There’s not a lot of room for much “to happen”, so I think it’s maybe just the editors deciding those two seconds weren’t interesting? I really don’t know. To begin with I don’t really believe much in the “big hit edit away ship moments” theories.
Ask 5 - “Vmin initiate handshakes when one of them is feeling kissy”
That’s a very cute head canon. I myself had something similar when before Vmin started to hold hands all the time they had a thing for fist bumps. I even wrote a small fic scene on it.
Jimin giggles and his eye smile is captured by the photographer who gives them a thumbs up. That makes Taehyung smile too. Jin is just trying his best to pose between them.
Taehyung reaches across their hyung to let his hand be within reach of Jimin and they make them come together with Jin trapped in between. Jin effectively acts more annoyed than he actually is and tries to seperate them. "Will you stop that, he didn't do anything special. You don't need to fist bump each other for every little thing."
"It's not a fist bump, it’s a hand peck." Taehyung says as he lets his hand fall back to his side. Quiet enough for the currently occupied photographer to not hear anything.
"A what now?" The oldest looks at him confused.
"A hand peck, because the hands come together and meet for a little kiss." Jimin immediately chips in.
Jin is quiet for a second before he acts out a gag. Jimin thinks it's unnecessarily dramatic.
"Oh my god. I think this might be the most sickening thing I've heard you say. This suddenly just makes everything so much worse. Why did you have to tell me that?" The photographer is thankfully not taking pictures at the moment, or he would have captured a face that might have made people question the label world wide handsome.
"You asked." Jimin says curtly. Only a little offended by the strong reaction. He thought the idea was cute when they came up with it.
"Well I take it back." Jin’s ears are quite the shade of red at this point and they take pity on him.
"Sorry hyung." Taehyung says from the other side of Jin. He doesn't sound very apologetic at all, but before their hyung has a chance to complain further the photographer seems to be ready to continue again and they’re back in work mode.
After the shoot is done and they all head to the car they congratulate themselves for a job well done. And just to rub it in Jin's face they make another fist bump, followed by an actual peck on the mouth. Jin can't hide the fondness no matter how much he tries to act disgusted and Jimin decides he might have to fistbump with Tae a little more often from now on.
Of course it’s impossible for us to know if they ever have any additional intentions or feelings or reasons behind anything that they do. But honestly, Vmin touching all the time and reaching out for each other is such a sweet and yet kind of unnecessary thing they do. I love it. :3
Ask 6 - Update on analyses
Thank you all so much for liking my blog and for looking forward to my analyses. 💜 I don’t think I can truly explain how much it means to me that you all also are so kind and don’t want to put pressure on me.
That being said... I don’t know when I will get to post... My original wish and plan was to have both of them out and done by August. However, I both have lack of time and lost a lot of motivation to do analysis after my two latest rounds of doubt (after the ask chaos with the ji/kooker/dissapointed vminies and the response to my Vmin video).
It’s all taking a lot more energy from me now and I guess some of my happiness and spark of joy that I got has diminished, which is kind of sad honestly. Enjoying what I do is of course extremely important for me to feel motivated enough to write and research. I am still working on the analyses, but it’s much slower at the moment. And again, even more so since I also don’t have much time for anything... I haven’t watched most of the new Bangtan Bombs, and I haven’t seen a single performance of PTD in full. I am very far behind at the moment, and that is not really by choice. So I need to get more free time to do basically anything BTS related, even just enjoying their general content.
Sorry. But also thank you, I am glad you all still patiently wait for me despite everything. <3
Ask 7 - BTS room changes
Hi, and thank you for caring. I’m not great, but I’ll be fine eventually. <3
As for BTS sharing rooms there has been a few changes over the years, and yes after splitting up from all of them sharing one room Jimin, Taehyung and Hobi shared for a few years between 2015-17, with Vmin in a bunk bed. You can see this dorm in BV1.
Then they moved to a bigger place in 2017 and they split it Hobi/Jimin, Jin/Yoongi, Namjoon/Tae and JK alone. Basically the only change was that JK got his own room and Tae roomed with Namjoon instead. We don’t know why or how they chose who to share with, but there weren’t many changes and we do know JK got his own room because he won rock, paper, scissors if I am not mistaken.
I’ve thought about it before, why Tae would seperate out of Vminhope, but looking at Namjoon/Tae’s “room” it seemed to not be directly connected like the other shared rooms, so perhaps it was for privacy reasons. Like how Tae likes playing games or watch movies late at night, so it was better for him to have a more secluded room. But I mean, it’s all pure speculation.
They moved again somwhere late 2017 I think and in 2018 there was this weird thing about their new dorm and “announcing” who shared with who... But it ended up not actually being talked about at all exept them saying Hobi and Jimin were the only two room mates and everyone else had a room of their own. (It was over all a weird time for BTS with the break getting longer than planned and what we know now even talks about disbandment. But yeah, quite anticlimactic)
We also know they moved again, and it’s the dorm we’ve seen the kitchen and couch area of, but more than that it’s kind of been a bit private and we don’t know much of who stays in the dorm or not. We do know that most of them own property, and that some of them definitely spend time in their own apartments. But honestly, since they still talk about the dorm I am sure it’s used at least sometimes by some of them. We also know they come together there at times like in BV4 or when they did the Run cooking episode or when some of them watched the Grammy nomination.
Anyways, we don’t really know why they split it the way they did. But if I get slightly more conspiratorial the timing of the split was right around Vmin letting us all know they were soulmates. It’s yet another added reason why people talked about Vmin being less close or having a falling apart in 2017-18 and just being played up. But we also know Tae went to Jimin because of his nightmare in mid 2017 and that they seem to have a preference to share rooms. So again, even if there would have been some reason to split them up I don’t think it would have been because of something bad between them. But knowing BTS it could just as easily have happened randomly or that they simply don’t care much who they share with.
Also, no matter what we also know Vmin at least at times sleep together even now, so I suppose that’s the most interesting part of information to hold on to. :P
And no, I am not letting this one go. ;P
Ask 8 - The PTD dance practice “grab”
I mean, I think the touching while turning was on purpose, but I am personally thinking the di*ck grab was accidental. I think Jimin was going for holding on to Tae, and let his hand go a little too far back. I definitely think he noticed what happened though. I mean, it does seem like he smirked before it happened, so maybe he was going for something... But still not sure he went “yes I am aming for d*ck”. I do find it hilarious that Tae didn’t even react and also that they decided to use this take for the official dance practice though. :P If nothing else this is just another example of Vmin having very few boundaries.
So I do agree with your question “WTF is normal for them?” even though I am not so sure the d*ck grab part was done on purpose.
Ask 9 - Vmin roleplay as significant others
I mean, they already have? :P At least once with the break-up drama from memories 2015.
On top of that you also have Tae wanting Jimin to be the girlfriend for another acting moment, and acording to Jin apparently Taehyung was acting out him and Jimin in a forbidden relationship at home alone. So, yeah....
It has definitely happened, we have it confirmed, and it wouldn’t be impossible for it to still be happening. They’ve definitely been in that area more recently as well.
Imagine Vmin being real, the double cross of actual boyfriends acting like pretend boyfriends.
Thanks for the oppurtunity to giggle at Vmin’s very domestic roleplays. ;)
Ask 10 - Tae leaning in
It’s such a cute moment isn’t it? I always love when Tae feels touchy and initiates with Jimin. Personally moments like this and how they so often touch in places like the neck just shows how normal this kind of intimate touch is to them.
I don’t think Tae was leaning in to do anything, but again, it shows how close they can be and that it’s likely something normal between them. Tae’s smile/reaction is also so cute, I know we barely see it but I feel I can call it being endeared anyways. I am just going to add this to the collection of moments that makes me think Vmin are totally fine and used to touching in very intimate ways. Sometimes it’s completely fine and no big deal, but sometimes they might not want to show it. This to me this is more of the first, where they seem very normal about it.
So that being said I think Jimin isn’t actually pulling away that much, exept him holding onto Tae’s arms. But the swift turning around at the end was something both he and Yoongi did so I feel it was them being told to look at the camera or get ready to pose. Either way, I find this very sweet and I love how happy and touchy Tae is. :3
Speaking of touching, and in particular touching necks...
Ask 11 - Vmin slow dancing (hard to not be delulu)
What do you mean looking like? They obviously are? Even if it would just be for that short moment that’s clearly what they are doing. 😭 And again with the hand on the neck/nape.
(Also, this is the perfect incitament to create Historical AU Vmin)
ON/MOTS:7 era was such a blessing for Vminies wasn’t it? I agree slow dancing on it’s own doesn’t really have to mean anything, but this period just have something magical about it when it comes to Vmin. The effect of Friends and Sweet Night and Tae and Jimin just being so obviously clingy and cute with each other. The timing and just looking at Vmin over time and with a longer perspective in general there for sure are a lot of things that “work” and seem to create a rather interesting narrative. So yeah, I can agree not being delusional can be hard sometimes, in particular when taking a step back and not looking at individual moments but instead a longer timeline and how their behavior has looked. But of course it’s always uncertain if these things are just in our heads or if there is legit something there beneath the surface.
Either way, this moment was super cute and I am looking forwards to seeing this in full and all the other content I am sure we will get from Memories 2020! 💜
Aks 12 - Other ships and why do I still choose Vmin? (This ask made me laugh)
I wasn’t going to include this ask at first because honestly I think anyone who has followed me or watched Vmin interact at all would know why this ask just seems kind of ridiculous to me. Actually you kind of demonstrate perfectly why we shouldn’t trust it when people call Vmin distant or lesser than other ships.
Calling Vmin dead is such a boring trend, don’t you think? And when exactly did Vmin ignore each other? Why would I “give up on Vmin”? Despite the urban legends they spoil me with moments and their incredible love for each other constantly. I don’t know how you haven’t managed to see their interactions. Mind you this ask came to me during PTD promo... After stuff like the PTD reaction. Like... Vmin was trending almost every day last week. This happened yesterday:
What I can say that not only do I love Vmin, but I personally think we have the best moments out of all the BTS ships. Like, by far. I wouldn’t trade any moments for what we have with Vmin (I mean, obviously, I have a big bias towards their dynamics and moments and got into them for a reason).
I also think IF any ship would be real at all Vmin is the best bet. I have my reasons, but you probably wouldn’t care even if I counted them all again here, because if you did you would have read my blog and known about them already. And you wouldn’t have asked this question to begin with and even less called Vmin dead or said they ignore each other.
Anyways, I just found this kind of funny so I decided to include it. Sorry if I offended you anon but you really don’t seem to know much about Vmin and I have no idea how you came to your conclusions about them. If you really want to know why I love Vmin, why I ship them and why I find them interesting beyond shipping you can always look through My masterpost.
I am here because I like it and because Vmin love each other and are super easy to love in return. I’ve never once felt like jumping ship, and after 5 years as a Vminie I don’t think there is any reason to worry about these two soulmates’ bond.
And that will be all for this time! Thank you everyone for the questions and inputs, I hope you too enjoyed reading this and that you are all happy with how much Vmin we are getting! :3
Time to answer some more of your questions. I have a lot this time, and still a lot left I’ll have to save to another post. You are all very good at being curious and asking interesting questions. There are also some asks that are replies to old asks, and then I’ll include the link to the referenced post.
This time the topics will be:
Ask 1 - About KTH1 and expectations
Ask 2 - KTH1 spoiler with “Oh lady”
Ask 3 - Vminies getting superiority complex
Ask 4 - Not dismissing the bond between Vmin and the other boys
Ask 5 - Other people’s words can influence your thoughts
Ask 6 - Vmin not sharing rooms in Bon Voyage Malta
Ask 7 - Has being a Vmin shipper always been so overwhelming with all the content?
Ask 8 - “Just a friend” interview
Ask 9 - The garnet necklace
Ask 10 - Vmin in CMs
Ask 11 - Taehyung uncomfortable about shipping/tae*kook?
Ask 12 - What did Jimin write on his shirt in Run ep. 53?
Ask 13 - Gina Maeng ask follow up
Ask 14 - Vmin’s love is beautiful (and so much nice praise omg)
Today’s post is a long one... Enjoy!
Ask 1 - About KTH1 and expectations
Ok, so I did write a shit post about this... (I mean… This is literally all Vmin’s songs so far ), but I still think your questions are worth a proper answer.
Honestly I think speculating about KTH1 is kind of hard, and as seen in the shit post I am quite torn with my expectations... In general I am the type who doesn’t like to expect too much in fear of being disappointed. I rather be pleasantly surprised. That being said Vmin does have a track record of getting involved in each other’s songs. I mean a lot is just speculation of course, but we do have confirmed cases as well, enough to not be too surprised if they would keep it up and do something for Tae’s solo album as well. (Tae saying his mixtape would be named Jimin back in 2016 still haunts me.)
On the other hand, they have already given us a lot of collabs. Adding more would feel more like a statement, at least if it would be only Jimin out of the members on that album. The thing is that if Vmin would have something “real” or at least if they are a bit careful with how they come across... I am not sure they would do something too “obvious”. But where such a line would be drawn is impossible to know. I mean clearly they managed to write and sing Friends and it worked fine, even if they did get more attention as a ship.
We also know Tae has been quite loud about Jimin in ways that single him out, so maybe they would really dare push the boundaries as far as actually including Jimin in the album somehow. It’s also very possible there could be other members, and honestly we probably shouldn’t hyper focus too much on it and that it has to mean something no matter if anyone is on it or not.
I think one of the rappers being on it is probably more likely out of the members, but it seems Tae has shown an interest in collabs with people outside of BTS, so that’s kind of what I am expecting the most. No matter who in the group is on it I am sure fans will make a big deal out of it, and maybe Tae would rather have his own thing for his first album. I really don’t know how his thoughts would go.
But again, looking at how Tae and Jimin has talked about working together, and have had moments like Tae promising Jimin a song or Tae saying they will work together again... It’s definitely not impossible to get another Vmin song. I do feel it’s more likely for any connections to be vague and not instantly noticeable though (at least not anything romantic looking because we know what happened to the Christmas song). Especially considering how they have only recently revealed things like 4 clock’s inspiration more openly and had Friends followed by Sweet Night. My main stance for any possible real ship is still that they have reason to be careful, and yet another Vmin collab, on Taehyung’s first personal album would probably raise some eyebrows considering everything else we already have. But it could also be me over analyzing them, and maybe they just really like and want to work together. Tae for sure has after all been vocal about this preference and want to work with Jimin.
So yeah, on one hand they have a track record that is hard to ignore... But on the other I wonder if they might want to add another “point” for ARMY to look at them and their songs. I also don’t want to assume that if there are songs on there that sound romantic that they automatically will be about Jimin. There will have to be legit possible connections for me to acknowledge them.
It’s tricky. I guess we will have to wait and see. I am kind of scared both that there won’t be anything or that there will be SOMETHING. Thank you for the ask, and I hope I shed some light on my thoughts on this subject. Either way I am very excited and looking forward to an album full of Taehyung’s own songs and the stories he wants to tell.
Ask 2 - KTH1 spoiler with “Oh lady”
I am not sure it is “lady”, since it’s a bit unclear in general. He also has a part that just seems to go “do be do” and I don’t know if the lyrics are even finished or if he worked with someone else etc. We basically lack a lot of information. But even so using lady/her/she etc. in a song doesn’t have to mean it is about a specific person or that the person is a she or that it is Taehyung’s own feelings (I know he said he usually sings about things he have felt, but just saying it doesn’t always have to be).
Of course I don’t want to downplay it and say it doesn’t mean anything, but considering their fanbase is majority women, they live in a homophobic country and he has even been denied to sing a romantic song with a man before, it’s not impossible to add that to make it more “relatable” or less “gay”. God, that sounds terrible. I don’t want to start discussions where we don’t take their words for what they are, so I hope you might understand my point of view. That being said of course it could just as easily be to or about a specific woman in his life that we don’t know about. Or as you say, he isn’t actually in love but is simply writing love songs that could be inspired by non-romantic relationships or movies etc. as was the case for his inspiration for Winter Bear.
Tae also used “she” in Winter Bear, and that seems a bit forgotten. Or people try to say it has to be about his grandmother... Which we obviously don’t know, it’s just the woman people jump to since he used “she” and many people don’t like the idea of him dating a woman or writing about a woman we don’t know. Either way I think we need to remember that anything is possible and we don’t know them personally and how they think or why they choose to do what they do.
I think we need to remember that there is always going to be the possibility that ships aren’t real, that the romantic songs aren’t about Jimin and that either one of them could be in a relationship with someone else (all genders included).
Ask 3 - Vminies getting superiority complex
Hello! I want to address something that has been bothering me for a while now. I have been seeing some vminnies have a superiority complex just bcoz they ship vmin. Its very rampant among new vminnies and twt vminnies. I get that we all feel validated and happy when out OTP claim to be soulmates and bff. I feel that way too. But people have to remember that vmin are real people and their relationship is dynamic. Like they did grow from bff who used to tease e/o and fight alot to soulmates who are gentle and caring. Who is to say that one day they wont drift apart (i hope not and dont think thats gonna happen but for argument sake) so there is no reason to feel superior or look down on other shippers.
If people think vminnies are superior bcoz they are not toxic they probably know they are lying. Lbr i have seen my share of toxic vminnies though may be a lesser number but they are there and its not the ship but its that particular person who is at fault. While i agree that some ship theories cultivate hate and toxicity there may be people among those ships who are just as sane and good as we claim to be. I just wanted to address this bcoz seeing some vminnies on twt saying locals thinking vmin were tgt after coway add is a validation kind of triggered me. I m sure there would have been similar responses to any other ship bcoz they all have been tgt for a decade and are very comfortable with e/o. I just wanted to talk to someone about this and i know you have discussed similar topics in the past. So yeah this was very long.
First of all, on request I won’t show your name, but thank you for sending me this and letting me know who you are. It’s always nice to know who is behind the question. But that being said I don’t mind people asking on anon, I totally get it being a lot easier to ask or question things when you don’t have to reveal yourself. Either way I am just glad to get interesting and important topics and I do think the things you bring up are worth talking about.
As you say, there is this thing when people start to feel and act superior for various reasons, and I too have seen some Vminies do this. Getting a lot of moments is sure nice. But honestly, just imagine if another ship came and mocked Vmin or gloated every time they got more moments. It has surely happened too, and I am sure it doesn’t feel very nice when on the negative end. Just be a decent human, ship moments will always vary and it’s great to be happy about getting moments, but there is no need to compare or look down on other ships. I say it again, shipping is not a competition, just enjoy your own ship and let others enjoy theirs.
As for feelings superior based on group behavior I think we really need to stop looking at groups and start looking at individuals, both when it comes to groups we are part of and groups we consider “bad”. I have said it many times, but individuals of other groups we don’t agree with won’t all be bad, or all stupid or young etc. We might want to tell ourselves they are worse, but it really doesn’t change much.
Being “less bad” it not a merit and it shouldn’t be a competition. We all have our own selves to answer to and we should judge other people based on their actions and not based on what group they might belong to.
I think size and the toxicity of a narrative can lead to more people in certain groups behaving in toxic ways... But I think any person could happen to fall into these behaviors if not careful and aware. Often the change is gradual too, or you feel attacked by the other “rival group” and thus feel it’s justified to attack back, and so it escalates.
Vminies are at the moment as a group smaller, and thus have less “bad apples”. We likely also have a narrative for Vmin that doesn’t require as toxic mindsets, for example extreme jealousy or Vmin being forced to hide. But there for sure are still toxic Vminies, and there are also a lot of non-toxic shippers in all groups. Usually the louder ones are also the worst ones while the chill and nice will remain in their own lane and ship more peacefully. But being part of a smaller group doesn’t make you superior, your actions is what is important.
As for small moments getting noticed or other types of “validation” for your ship, of course it’s going to feel nice. However, what people see and think of any relationship in BTS is still just an outsider view and literally has no meaning for their actual relationship beyond it being a cute moment. That’s why size and popularity also doesn’t matter as any kind of “proof”. Interpretation will always just be interpretation, good or bad, if you like it or not.
Sadly I think we will get more and more toxic behavior from more ships as the fandom grows and as some things get more normalized within those ships’ communities. It’s about certain behaviors growing into a community culture... The more toxicity that is allowed the more others will follow. That’s why bringing up the problems is important, but trying to do so without shunning people so that they don’t go and create their own space where everyone else is the enemy. After all, being open and welcoming and understanding is much more likely to make someone listen and even change their mind than by attacking them.
I answer for my own actions. So does every person. I don’t want to be judged for everything every Vminie or ARMY or Multi K-pop fan etc. has done. Generalization is a huge problem in general, not just in fandoms or ship wars. I do try to be a positive influence, to not judge too harshly and to remember that being hostile won’t help any situation. But that’s about it. I am glad you brought up this topic, because talking about it is important, but sadly I don’t think there is a lot that can be done about it. Just try to be nice and open minded.
Thank you for the ask, I hope you all understood what I wanted to say.
Ask 4 - Not dismissing the bond between Vmin and the other boys
Thank you. I really see no need for it. It’s clear as day that they all love each other, and even if one pair would happen to be romantic instead of platonic that won’t change. We don’t have to compare and we definitely don’t have to downplay the moments they share with each other. All shippers should at the very least accept the the things they do and say as mostly genuine. I trust BTS and what they show us, it’s that easy.
I know some also get influenced by toxic fans, but we really need to remember that no narratives by fans matter when it comes to reality and what bonds BTS share with each other. They are all great people and seem to have such love and respect for each other I frankly don’t understand how you can be a fan if you think any of it is played up to the point some claim.
Likely no ship in BTS is real, but if any is, to me I am sure the ones involved would be happy and supported by the rest of the members. That’s why it doesn’t really matter what ship would be real or not real as long as they are happy. We shouldn’t let our own views and sometimes want or hopes affect the way be judge their reality. This applies for things outside shipping as well.
Thank you for your kind words. :)
Ask 5 - Other people’s words can influence your thoughts
Indeed. The brain is a powerful thing. This is very obvious if you are a multi-shipper or a general fan, but BTS truly has a lot of questionable moments between all kinds of pairs. Focus is a interesting thing. If you like something you will notice it more, and you will also remember it more while you forget other moments. Likewise if something is “negative” like a rival ship you are likely to notice them more as well. This happens even if you just watch the general content and get your own bias. Imagine then how it might influence you when others keep repeating either your happy interpretations or things you worry about? You’ll get it stuck in your head and remember it more than other things.
Like isn’t it funny how we might gush about Vmin sharing beds, or worry about ji/kook or tae/kook cuddling while hope/kook literally sleep wrapped around each other in both Bon Voyage 3 and 4? Sometimes it’s all about perspective.
By now we need to realize that fan perspective will influence us a lot. And in particular if a lot of people say it or if it is presented in a way that makes it sound logical and intelligent. Words have power.
I still think using “Vmin is dead” or spreading worry often in itself leads to people thinking it and it being somehow accepted as fact. In similar fashion getting to hear about certain ships or certain narratives will make us notice things in relation to that. My own words and posts too will have influence on some people that read them. That’s why I try to be so careful, and why I try to avoid using strong words or claims that might cement themselves in someone’s mind. (I’ll actually talk more about the power of language in my big analysis as well)
Thank you for your input, it’s definitely an interesting thing to consider and another aspect of why shipping mentality is so complicated.
Ask 6 - Vmin not sharing rooms in Bon Voyage Malta
Hi and yes, I have answered this before HERE, but it’s ok. I know it’s not easy finding old topics amongst my collection posts.
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In short I think Vmin wanted to share rooms but that Taehyung got fooled when Jimin stopped him from checking the upper room. Because it seemed like Jimin stopped him from walking into that room by saying he couldn’t peak Tae probably assumed it wasn’t Jimin’s room and that when Jimin said it was his room he was joking (his face was definitely something). So yeah, I think he just got fooled by Jimin’s statement about not being allowed to look inside the room before picking. There are other interesting things about this whole moment, but the one thing we should take away from it is how it is one out of now many examples that seem to show that Vmin have a preference to share rooms/beds. Thank you for the ask. :)
Ask 7 - Has being a Vmin shipper always been so overwhelming with all the content?
I wouldn’t say it’s something recent. I say it often, but we really do get very intense periods from time to time with many of the ships. For example in February 2017 with ISAC, fan signs and everything else we got a lot of Vmin too. I remember being overwhelmed myself, and that was coming out of BST era Vmin. We got many moments every day and that’s just one specific period I can remember.
Over the years sometimes we do get these very intense days or weeks with a lot of moments at once. Usually I get asks like “do you think something is up with Vmin lately” or “wow I can’t believe how much Vmin we have gotten lately” but really, it’s hard to tell, because it really does happen from time to time. I also still say we always get Vmin moments regularly as long as we get BTS content, but sometimes a bit more and sometimes less. I am sure there will be more times when we also get “Vmin is dead“ and worried people because we get less moments than they expect. It just happens, up and down and around it goes.
As for what ships are big I will definitely say Ji/kook and Tae/kook are the biggest, but that all BTS ships are big by now. Meaning as soon as we do get moments it will be seen online. Especially if you follow people who talk about it of course. I also think what platform you are on can result in some ships being seen more than others. For example I know ji/kook is by far the biggest BTS ship here on Tumblr while Youtube seems to have more tae/kookers.
Thank you for the ask. Let’s hope Vmin keeps overwhelming us. (But let’s not start to worry if they don’t) ;)
Ask 8 - “Just a friend” interview
Ah yes, I have a bit of a soft spot for this interview myself. I am not sure, but I think it might be from 2017 (since Tae wrote a birthday letter to Jimin in 2016), or at least that’s when I found it and saved it down. I haven’t actually tracked the original source. You can find the translation in the link shared HERE, credits to @95z.
Seeing this close after the chaos of Let’s BTS and other letter confessions it really does seem very cringe for them to express sincere thoughts in these more formal ways. I can’t blame them.
I do think this interview is yet another example of how much Vmin has tried to adapt to each other, learn and be more open with expressing how they feel. They literally inspire and learn from each other in how to express themselves. Isn’t it completely endearing?
I also love how they get each other to feel strong emotions and how they are there for each other when in need. On a slightly more analytical note I also can’t help but note the “just a friend” vs “soulmate” descriptions and how they seem to have a hard time putting it into proper words. We already know this of course, but yeah... They really don’t have an easy time describing their relationship.
Thank you so much for sharing this moment. I was going to talk about it in my big analysis anyways, but honestly I can’t save everything for it, and you mentioned it so who am I to keep it to myself.
Ask 9 - The garnet necklace
Oh yeah, I know that JK wore it once and that the talk was that a fan gave it to all of maknae line. Not much was ever confirmed from what I know, but regardless it doesn’t change why I think it’s a Vmin/soulmate necklace and why I see it as special.
Here is the thing, when I use “Vmin thing” it really doesn’t have to be exclusive. To me it’s the context around it and how they have used it and even reacted to it that makes the garnet necklace something special for Vmin. In the case of the soulmate necklace Vmin wore it a lot. Almost constantly during a big part of 2017 and even a bit into 2018. They also wore it at the same time a lot. I find this very cute, and we all know “couple items” is something all fans enjoy even if it would just be a platonic relationship behind it. But if both of them wearing it was all there was, as a lot of Vmin sharing clothes (or BTS in general sharing clothes) I wouldn’t really think too much about it beyond it being cute. It could still be just a cute thing that Vmin did, but I personally see it as something beyond the normal clothes/jewelry sharing.
(At the very least you can remember Vmin did this while people thought their relationship was dead, which doesn’t make much sense to do if you hate or dislike someone.)
The things I find more noteworthy about this necklace is the fact that the fandom picked up on it and because they wore it so much and so often at the same time it was dubbed the “soulmate necklace”. Possibly knowing this Tae also brought specific attention to the necklace at two times, as if wanting to show it off. Interestingly enough, in one of these times Jimin seemed to ignore Taehyung who was bringing attention to it on purpose. For me it came across as another thing Taehyung wanted to show off and that Jimin was a bit more careful about.
Of course I could have read it wrong, maybe Jimin just misunderstood. But even so, Tae did bring attention to it in specific relation to Jimin. You can watch the clip HERE. (BTS Tell Us What They Love About Each Other & An Update On Tony & Nate From America Hustle Life)
The other time was in Run ep. 39, right after Vmin talked about being in school together and showing off their school uniforms. If Tae is the one to try and highlight something, I feel it likely has some meaning to him at least.
Either way the necklace is basically a symbol of Vmin’s relationship and the fact that they liked it so much and wore it together during a long period I think they liked wearing it not only because they both happened to like the design but because they both had it. If JK also had one and didn’t use it of course it could include him, but I will still say it remains significant for Vmin’s bond with each other.
As for buying a necklace together they haven’t talked about this one in particular, but Tae did mention he bought his tiger necklace with Jimin in NY, so maybe you are mixing the two things up?
Ask 10 - Vmin in CMs
Thank you for loving my blog and for the ask! :) I am not sure if you perhaps meant in a lot of BTS own photoshoots/units as well, but I’ll focus on CMs in this post since that was your direct example. I might go a bit beyond here, but I saw it as a good chance to revisit some Vmin ad moments.
I wouldn’t personally say we have gotten “way more” but I do think because of their Friends unit they got to do some more interviews together and some CM stuff too. I also think we have gotten more BTS commercials in general now, likely because it’s an income alternative to touring during the pandemic. So that obviously means more CMs, and more chances for them to be paired up. They also have gotten paired with others of course (like in the Bodyfriend CM or Baskin Robbins), but most commonly they aren’t divided in smaller groups at all.
We also have gotten Vmin paired up before, both in photoshoots and in CMs. Of course we saw some great ones in 2016 with Puma and NUGU, but I don’t think we got that much more in 2016 and before than in 2017-2019. I think what we can see is BTS having more endorsements after Covid.
Like honestly, the Puma adds are iconic. Of course the original one, but also the revisits from 2018. Puma definitely seemed to like to pair Vmin in particular. (There are so many good examples from Puma that I’m not including)
We also got a snippet in the Hyundai one, also from 2018.
Another snippet from the Coconut Chicken ad from 2017.
I mean, I don’t know if I should count the snippets at all, like from BTS x VT cosmetics in 2019, but I feel sometimes just being seen in the same frame seems to get attention as being paired up so. (I decided to not include being together when it’s at least a third member in the frame)
And guys... Have you ever watched BTS and the milk song?
What did we get so far more recently? In 2020 we had the Hyundai interview.
And the hyundai #PositiveEnergyChallenge
Fila provided a nice one, also from 2020.
Samsung gave us a snippet recently.
Coway was basically couple goals and like the best one in my own opinion (besides Puma because it is going to take a lot to beat Puma).
But other than that? I don’t think we have seen it that much, have we? I am not complaining or anything, like I am happy with what we got, but I don’t know if it’s that much. I might forget some obvious ones, but these were the ones I had top of mind. Feel free to add ads if you can think of more recent ones that I left out.
So I think we have gotten more BTS ads in general, also more where they are not all of them or single focus, and that we have seen maybe Vmin getting paired a little more after Friends. But to me there is such a small difference I can’t really say if it is anything particular to Vmin or just BTS doing more CMs.
I mean, I don’t have a sheet of who has been paired with who and how many times over the years. But either way I don’t think we should look too deeply into things like CMs or even photoshoots units. Thanks for the ask though, I hope you enjoyed this mini collection. :)
Ask 11 - Taehyung uncomfortable about shipping/tae*kook?
So this is a thought sent in after THIS ASK though it really brings up a new subject, which is that of Tae possibly being uncomfortable with shipping. As for Tae saying that to a tae/kooker in particular I think we have to remember it could very easily just have been in the moment and we can’t know why he decided to reply to that person in particular.
The Vmin post was not invasive and it wasn’t romantic. I mean, I do think Tae keeps showing again and again that if there is any person in BTS that is special to him it’s Jimin. But the difference in the posts also likely matters, but we can’t know how much. We don’t know if Tae would feel annoyed if a Vminie wrote the same thing as the tae/kooker did, and we don’t know if it was just in that moment that he got fed up with the shipping discourse in general, or if it was because it was tae/kook.
Honestly any shipper, regardless if a ship would eventually prove to be real or not, should not go and invade spaces where the boys get exposed to it. We don’t know if Taehyung would have reacted in a similar way if it happened to be another ship.
Personally I don’t think tae/kook drifted apart as a result of shipping, because honestly they still kept being pretty intimate physically and engaged in fanservice on stage etc. If they truly were uncomfortable with the idea I just don’t think they would “feed it” much at all. I think as they said in ITS they just, kind of changed and it became harder to talk. I’ve talked more about tae/kook and my views on their bond in THIS POST and a little in THIS POST as well as about BTS possible stance on shipping HERE.
I also think all of BTS has a pretty good distance from hate and fandom speculations in general. I think that because they know about shipping and partly also feed into it they probably expect crazy people to some degree as well, even if they probably don’t like it. Hetero shippers as well, or solo stans etc. have very toxic behaviors at times, but I think BTS can recognize that it is kind of “bound to happen” with their popularity, no matter what they do about it. Not saying they would like it, and they could definitely feel awkward or annoyed because of it, but it doesn’t seem to bother them too much as I think they can detach themselves from it pretty well.
I also think “fan opinions” in form of rival shipping wouldn’t really harm a hidden couple as it first would likely be a sort of “shield” and second because they have their relationships and are likely comfortable with them on their own terms. What fans think is probably secondary.
It is possible that they could get annoyed or frustrated at times, but again, if they truly felt bothered by it they probably wouldn’t do a lot of the things they do. Because I am sure they are aware to some degree that fans scrutinize their every move and ship moments. Both Tae and Jimin are some of the most physical out of the members, and also some of the members that seem to like to initiate fanservice moments... So I doubt they would have much problem and can feel secure enough in their relationship no matter what fans think.
Ask 12 - What did Jimin write on his shirt in Run ep. 53?
Hi, I guess you got curious after I talked about this episode recently in my post Ask: Reply - 2021.03.30 (Ask 8 - Going down the rabbit hole, micromoments and shipping vs believing).
I don’t know hangul, but I do know what “Jimin” looks like. On Jimin’s shirt from behind the scenes of Run ep. 53 you can see he’s written his own name “지민” Jimin followed by what looks to be “ 님 “ which is nim. So basically the text on the container in the picture says Sir Jimin.
Jimin seemed very keen on writing his name on both his own shirt and on Tae’s and even tried on JK’s. He failed of course, but he sure did try.
Thank you for the ask, and isn’t Tae cute?
Ask 13 - Gina Maeng ask follow up
Glad you liked my reply. :) (From Ask: Reply - 2021.03.30 Ask 4 - Idols dating members of the same group). Yeah I get what you mean, talking about it openly I suppose isn’t so normal. But since it seems to be more and more fans who assume it happens to some degree maybe it’s not so strange if it starts getting more talked about as well. I’ll take it as a good sign, even if the information is nothing new in itself, being more open is going to make it easier for fans to realize it’s possible for their idols to be LGBT+ or have hidden relationships.
As for K-Population it doesn’t seem to be too well known, but it’s one of few actual examples to be found. So yeah, interesting that we know it has happened, and also that it shows what risks it could mean to get involved with a group member. I think the risk of a falling out is something a lot of shippers tend to forget. Anyways, thank you for your reply. ^_^
Ask 14 - Vmin’s love is beautiful (and so much nice praise omg)
Oh my... I am not sure I have ever been called sweetheart by anyone ever before. Thank you! You are making me blush with all the praise. 💜💜💜
But really, we can all just watch Vmin in awe and be happy they have each other and feel such immense love for each other, no matter what that love is. It’s kind of amazing. Like even if they are platonic their relationship is so wholesome and they put so much love and effort into it that it’s truly inspirational. I love when we get bombed with moments like this with a very intense period of great Vmin interactions. As you, me too never fail to feel all soft watching them together.
95z is love and what a love they share. Truly wonderful. 💜
You take care too, and really, thank you so much for this lovely message. it means a lot and is very heartwarming.
And with that sweet ask I’ll end the post. There was a lot of very different questions and I feel I could have written more about many of them, but alas I need to remember I can’t write full essays on everything or I would never get anything posted. Thank you all for reading and I hope you found my thoughts and speculations interesting. ^-^