#avid situation

[anotherdragon]

watching scotts vod rn and ik most of the focus has been on avid but this is a genuinely terrifying thing for marm to say right??? not to mention the two of them contacted scott's friends to claim he harassed avid, told the members of skyblock kingdoms the same thing and that, if scott attempts to contact any of them, it is because he is trying to manipulate the narrative in his favor, than made an AI generated guide to how they were going to release a callout doc on him. this shit is unbelievable

[justglacier12]

genuinely wishing the best for cam and scott, i hope they take time to heal however they need to <333 always support victims, fuck cc!avid/cc!marm. fans, fictives, and people who have experienced similar manipulation- my heart goes out to yall. it's going to be okay, and we're going to get through this together.

[ettle]

Hey guys, there are a handful of sockpuppet accounts showing up in the tags trying to spread unsubstantiated rumors about other cc's involved in the Avid situation. Please verify information before engaging with it and be on the lookout for blank pfps with no previous posts.

[spinning-out-of-a-vortex]

legs really emphasized this on his stream about the situation yesterday, but i thought i'd reiterate here because it is an incredibly important sentiment that everyone should keep in mind when engaging with fandom in any way: do not idolize content creators.

i've been a part of fandom for a long time. and inevitably, when an actor, celebrity, creator, etc is exposed as a bad person, the responses from fans are always somewhere along the lines of "i can't believe this! i trusted them, how could they betray me?" that's the thing. they didn't betray you, at least, not personally. it's not your fault for being a fan of a bad person, obviously. but you have to understand, they are not your friends. you do not know them. as legs put it, you know a very small, carefully curated slice of their life. that's it.

something else legs said that really stuck with me (i'm paraphrasing here) is that "you need to be your own role model." you can be a fan, you can connect with them, you can make art about them, but they cannot be the person you look up to, who you base your worldview and morality off of. it has to be you.

everyone's already said it, but please take care of yourself. don't doomscroll, don't blame yourself for liking them right up until they were exposed. and DO NOT pressure anyone involved into giving a statement. i hope this resonates with people, thanks for listening.

[thegremlininyourcloset]

gentle reminder that, while we the vsmp fandom are rightfully upset about the whole Avid Situation, we still need to understand that completely erasing v!avid in our general fandom goings on but PARTICULARLY in character analysis might not be the best idea. For as darkly humorous as art pieces of the cast with what i can only describe as censor bars are, it does a disservice to our beloved characters and the people who put so much love and attention into them to pretend that they're interactions with v!avid had no value or bearing on ther character. i'm not saying you have to make avid-centric content you don't want, (i personally am dealing with some feelings about planned fics that i might want to rework) but i am saying that we shouldn't erase the nuance of other characters.

this is especially important when it comes to the stories of v!Drift and v!Shelby, as cutting v!avid from their stories erases major chunks of motivation, nuance and depth from characters that are already ignored, declawed and mischaracterized due to fandom's raging misogyny problem.

[imnotasweetie]

and to anyone who was fan of avid an marm: please be kind to yourself. please remember manipulators know how to paint themselves as kind and relatable individuals. they know how to make you think "oh, they are just like me, they would never do that because I wouldnt do that"

the struggles they talked about in realizing you're queer, both sexuality and gender-wise MAKE sense. shitty people also go through real shitty things, because they are people in the end

the one thing i will say is that i personally openly stopped talking about avid months ago, and i stopped watching his content or anything related to them because.... well. i have experience seeing shitty people victimize themselves and the way they kept vague-tweeting, and insisting on the topic while also going "oh but dont speculate" felt like a horrible red flag on that regard. especially when the other party quietly stepped away and Did Not Engage At All in this entire time

and i truly hate that that small alarm that went off was right, because i know how many people it's hurting that it was right, same as i know how many fucking terfs and transphobes are going to piggyback on this to try and spread their bullshit around

[whereispearlescentmoon]

Just remembered that when V!Cleo found out V!Avid died she said "Oh well, could be worse. Could be someone important. I have problems with Avid. He was a risk and he was eliminated".

[rosegoldenatlas]

for the fans

If you are/were a fan of Avid or Marm, whether you created fan content about them or not, I would appreciate if you read this.

I am not here to talk directly about what they did, frankly, I could read every statement and still not know everything as I was never in that fanbase. (Though I will say that I have read all the statements)

I am here to talk to the fans of them. People who unintentionally put them on a pedestal, people who created things about them, people who like the characters they played, and the people that heard over and over 'don't idolize creators' but did it anyway on accident and are now devastated.

I did it too, not with Avid and Marm, sure, but with other creators who also turned out to be awful, most nobly, for me it was Wilbur Soot.

I know what Avid and Marm did is not easily comparable to what Wilbur did, not by scale and platform size at least, but the situation the fanbase is (and most likely will be in) the same.

Its gonna suck, especially for people who put so much effort and love into creating things about them, but you can still work on it if you feel comfortable.

The mcyt fanbase (and yt fanbases in general) toe the line between rpf and character fiction a lot. We do our best to separate creator and character all the time, this is no different.

The best strategy I have found over the years is to Oc-ify them. Those characters were given up by the creators as soon as they left. You can keep your VSMP-avid. He's yours now. Be free.

If they come back to release a statement, to apologize, take what they say into account, sure, but also take into account what their friends and victims said. Don't let what you saw in a video or on a stream make you think you know them. Don't be like Wilbur stans.

And one last thing. NEVER harass them. I'm serious. I don't care what they did. If you send hate, harass them, threaten them, anything. They will use it to convince one more person they are the victim. They will show the mountain of threats and harassment and go "See? This is what they really wanted" and some people will believe them.

Thank you for listening, and remember, if it isn't giving them money or defending their abuse, its free reign. Go create, go make art and write fanfiction. Take a break and come back stronger.