#badger model

[mysticalenthusiastvoid]

I'm going to sort my family from most recently dead to furthest.

Grandma - Badger Snake. I thought maybe she was a double Badger, but I think she modeled Badger sec because it was expected of her, but she was traditional and involved in her church community, so Badger primary. I say she was a Snake secondary due to her general mischeviousness, go with the flow attitude, and doing things like once tricking me into getting a flu shot by paying for two.

Mom - Double Bird or Bird Badger. Would do a deep dive on any subject she found interesting and once she decided that something was true, good luck changing her mind. She could possibly have been a Badger sec due to building communities wherever she went. Used to clash with her a fair amount, but she also could have been a burnt Lion primary.

Grandpa - This one is the hardest due to him being gone for so long, but he could be the double Badger out of the bunch. Also community oriented.

[mysticalenthusiastvoid]

I'm either in Badger mode or in neutral. Sometimes it seems like there's no middle ground.

[dragonsaredorks]

Would a Bird using a Badger system as their Primary model Puff?

Hello, everyone! @wisteria-lodge asked the shc community if we would like to help answering some asks, and a number of us volunteered, so this is a reply to one of those asks. I am excited to give this a go!

To the question: The easy answer is, no, not necessarily. Birds can incorporate the ideas of different primaries into their systems (similar to how a Lion can have Snake ideals - one of their causes is protecting/caring for their loved ones) without having that primary as a model. My system has a lot of Badger to it, but I wouldn't say I model Badger. I believe that all people are people and that all people deserve certain things, and I love belonging to a group/groups of people (which is probably a person thing - everyone wants to belong to some degree/in some way), but I'm not motivated by those communities. I learn from them! I process what I hear and see if I vibe with it, and I decided if I want to incorporate it into my system or not, but I don't make exceptions for my communities - unlike what I sometimes do for the people who are a core part of my Snake model. (I don't model Badger, so my best point of reference is the Snake model. Sorry about that anon. 😅)

My primary model feels almost seperate from my primary? In the way that other-primary-flavored ideals within my system don't. I like to think of it as if my primary is a main, larger island and that my model is a smaller island connected to the main island by bridges. Basically, if it feels somewhat removed from yourself and how you usually make your decisions - it's probably a model. Models for me tend to be the exception to the rule, while my primary is the rule. Flavored ideals are more flexible then models (for me at least) because they're part of my system so I can somewhat easily edit them.

Some Bird primaries who have Badger primaries do have Badger models though! I would imagine that Birds with both Badger ideals and a Badger model would define their model as being more group focused then their primary ideals, but I don't model Badger primary, and models can vary between people, so I would say your best bet on the specifics of what a Badger primary model looks like is to ask people with Badger models how their's work and compare with your potential model/ideals.

[wisteria-lodge]

i'm think i figured out my secondary (it's burnt). as a kid, i collected song lyrics in my brain and would be great at those sing a song with this word in it games. i was got called a song dictionary once. when getting to know people, i collected facts (birthday, fav color, etc.) and this made me happy. in schooling and when helping out my mom, i developed a badger model that became easy due to how often i used it. i loved being helpful and contributing to something but it felt suffocating (1/2)

(2/2) the more i did it, the more i felt expected to do it. around this time, i kept getting to areas where I didn't have information collected and felt like i was failing. and i hated that. the main message around me was work harder so i did that. and it wasn't until recently when i thought i was a snake that i stopped with the work and tried improvising but i found that what i considered improvising was just drawing on information i already had and using that confidently to make plans.

Yep. Bird secondary, Badger model. Totally agree. 

[dragonsaredorks]

I've been thinking more about Snake secondaries wanting to make other people happy. I do something similar I guess? Its more that I want people to be happy with me then wanting people to be happy in general. It's also something I do less and less as I get older? Honestly, I think that just supports my theory that I have/had a Badger secondary model. Though that doesn't mean that I can't have a Snake secondary too... I'm having some trouble telling the difference between Snake and Courtier Badger and I don't know if that's because I'm not either or because I'm one of the two and just burned. I think Snake is a lot more likely than Badger tho lol.

[wisteria-lodge]

another snake primary with a guilty badger model

I successfully ruled out bird primary today. I have made a decision that I know is right, I researched and other people and data says is right. But I don't feel it, so it doesn't make me feel like I'm a better person, it's not enough for me. I know how easily I could be swayed to change it. I don't want to, I like holding on to something so strongly, to have a reason behind my actions. That still leaves 3 houses, and at least 2 of them burned, if so. 

So what I’m hearing is that you’re an internal primary - either Lion or Snake. Your sense of meaning and rightness is something you just have.

Do I play favourites? Yes I do, but I always have my reasons. 

I’ll need to hear those reasons. Even the most *selfless* Badger will sometimes play favorites. 

I don't dehumanise to the badger extent, but I either put a mental wall or just think they're not worth my time and energy

Could describe any one of the primaries. Not all Badgers dehumanize, and healthy Badgers definitely have mental precautions in place to keep themselves from getting burnt out.

I have to be personally invested to care

Here we go. Now *this* is a Loyalist (and probably a snake.) Idealists are much more likely to care about like... categories of issues, not all the issues related to a specific person. 

although I care about equality, kindness, not hurting anyone, having consistency in my actions and words 

Well somebody likes the Badger value set.

I also care about freedom, mostly my own

Interesting. That’s sounding very Lion. Or *burnt* Snake maybe. 

but that extends to what relates to me too. 

... and there’s the Snake. You are literally defining “me” as “me and mine.” 

I would never say that people I love are the most important to me, but I will never do as much for equality as I would for them. 

You would never say that the people you love are the most important. But you would do more for them than you would for your cause. I think you’re a Snake primary that’s feeling a little bit guilty about being a Snake primary. Like a lot of Snakes, you like Badgers. But you’re not a Badger.

I would do things for the people I love, cause that's what you do, there's no other choice, even though it would not make me feel like that's the right thing to do, like I'm a good person. No, that's just what you do, I'm most sure about this. 

This is so, so, so Snake primary. I promise you, not everyone feels this way about the people they love. And you treat it like forgone conclusion, like there is no other possible option. 

Although I want friends and some kind of small group, but I don't seem to bond with communities.

Snake.

Although reading burned badger feels familiar and good, in some way 

It’s because Burnt Badgers look real Snake from the outside.

I'd never want to be a real badger, to have my decisions informed by other people so much, basing my actions and who I am on someone else. Just no. 

Like I said, you’re an Internal primary. 

I care not to hurt anyone and be nice and kind, and I think it sucks when other don't care about strangers or people who are literally next to you and act all obliviously, I could never extend my caring spectrum that much. 

This sounds like a Badger Primary model

Do I sound like any of the 3 primaries left? Thank you.

Snake primary with a Badger model. You’re a little guilty about the Snake primary, and absolutely should not be. 

[ornamental-coral]

Sorting myself

I think it is @wisteria-lodge that recently responded to an ask about “most common house” irl and noticed there is probably some confirmation bias among sort-ers.

The most common house or models in each culture will vary based on what a nation teaches its children to value, that’s what you should expect. So I don’t think you can rate each morality as most common and I don’t even think it’s a very useful thing to try, but then again that’s my own primary (value system) speaking. So in the spirit of full disclosure, there’s me below the cut. (incidentally I do think sorting nations could be an interesting exercise but also something full of pitfalls... and there’s the secondary) (how how how~~)

I’m a Snake primary with a Badger model and a Bird secondary with a Lion model from when my Bird burned back in high school. The Lion secondary really doesn’t work for me, it disagrees heartily with the more careful nature of my cold-house combination, although I admire the way Lions really seem to know the right thing to do and the way they can improvise their way into a success while my heart beats like... well like a bird, when I have to make a move that could change the game. I also deeply admire Lion primaries who have their goal, something that belongs to them. I don’t think I’m the only snake who feels that way.

So if I delight a little too much in the loyalties I see in characters, please forgive me. I do come by it honestly.